Atlanta Hawks: Video: Free agent focus
I talked Hawks today with CineSport’s Noah Coslov. No news so far on the free-agent front. Check back tomorrow for a report from the first day of workouts at Philips.
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Sautee
November 30th, 2011
8:52 pm
Buddy,
I agree that he’s the best chip.
But only if we get a starting center in return. Otherwise, who plays the 5?
I can’t see a Zaza / Benson / Twin rotation carrying us very far. Thoughts?
Grandmaster JeJe
November 30th, 2011
8:56 pm
LOL Rod. Drop some lines on what some of those cats have said. Maybe Nick will teach Teague. I remember Jennings came here last year and let JT0 have it
Sautee
November 30th, 2011
9:02 pm
Buddy,
One more thing… can you explain how Al is “highly overrated”, but yet has a “value contract”?
Seems to me that a “value contract” means that one would easily get their money’s worth, and IF that’s the case, can he also be “highly overrated”?
But my mind works differently from many, so please “splain” it to me.
Michael Cunningham
November 30th, 2011
9:03 pm
@Rufus1: “MC You sounded slightly impressed with the Hawks performance in the playoffs…..Was I hearing thing correctly?”
that’s a good way to put it. i was as shocked as anyone when they won Game 1 in Chicago.
Michael Cunningham
November 30th, 2011
9:11 pm
@briggy: “mc do u know how much hawks will be under the cap at end of this season”
they will still over the cap unless they amnesty someone or trade for expiring contracts. right now they have about $61.5 million committed to six guys in 2012-13.
doc
November 30th, 2011
9:12 pm
man it is sooo good to see activity on the blog. the guys are back including sautee … nice. however, tired of talking about it and want to see some action. section 303 hope you arent disappointed on the 9th dude which i guess will qualify as action. this aint your version of the falcons, blank and demetrof doing the bidding,
Worldwide Clyde
November 30th, 2011
9:13 pm
We been waiting 4 years for the Hawks to upgrade their roster. What makes you think they are going to do it this year.
#don’tgetyourhopesuptoohighhawksfans
Michael Cunningham
November 30th, 2011
9:13 pm
@FreshFromATL: “Welp! I see the blog is back to normal, lol.”
ain’t it great?
doc
November 30th, 2011
9:17 pm
i guess the birds MC is following are not th falcons or hawks but the red cards from louisville?
corydillinger
November 30th, 2011
9:18 pm
Hey MC been hearing a lot about a possible trade for Chris Paul is it possible something could happen for Teague and Marvin Williams?
brigadierjerry
November 30th, 2011
9:19 pm
drmaryb, grandad,
It is true if Laimbeer and Oakley and those guys played today they would’ve fouled out in about 10 minutes. The game has turned into finesse and the riles have been changed much like how the NFL has changed into a finesse league.
I like Horford and Smith as players I just think they would be so much more effective if they had some sort of back to the basket game.
Question for you guys, would you take Chris Paul for a rental even if there was a risk he may not re-sign with the Hawks and you only had to give up Smith or Horford and maybe Zaza and Marvin and a pick?
Also what do you guys think of Caron Butler who is available and Nate Robinson who is getting bought out by Okc.
drmaryb .[*_*].
November 30th, 2011
9:19 pm
MIA!
I pray and hope someone can call Ken Strickland and give him our love and thoughts. Perhaps Sautee? Tell him we love him and we just wanna’ know:
WHERE IS THE LOGIC?
Air Zaza
November 30th, 2011
9:26 pm
CP3 and Okafor
for
Smith, Teague, Zaza, and Hinrich
Michael Cunningham
November 30th, 2011
9:28 pm
@doc: “i guess the birds MC is following are not th falcons or hawks but the red cards from louisville?”
yessir. the only benefit of the lockout was that i was able to go to my first game at the downtown arena they opened last season. it’s quite a palace.
Slimjr
November 30th, 2011
9:28 pm
Horford=Matty Melt Ryan… Good, but not good enough @ their critical positions….
Sautee
November 30th, 2011
9:32 pm
briggy,
“I like Horford and Smith as players I just think they would be so much more effective if they had some sort of back to the basket game.”
Co-freakin’ sign.
As I said in the spring, I’d love for Al and Josh to have played one on one all summer using only their off hands, and within ten feet of the basket. No dunking, so they would have to learn to be creative near the rim.
As for your other questions…as much as I love CP3, no one year rental for me.
And I’d guess we’d have to amnesty Marvin to get Caron, and I don’t see the ASG doing that. I do like Caron’s toughness, though.
Michael Cunningham
November 30th, 2011
9:33 pm
@corydillinger: “Hey MC been hearing a lot about a possible trade for Chris Paul is it possible something could happen for Teague and Marvin Williams?”
i’ve seen my blog people buzzing about this but not sure where you saw it. was it this from Broussard?
“The Atlanta Hawks are another team that could offer New Orleans an enticing package of, say, Marvin Williams and Jeff Teague. It’s not known whether Paul would consider signing an extension with the Hawks but he is known to be fond of the city of Atlanta.”
sounds like pure speculation to me. plus, not to bring up a sore spot, i’ve always heard Paul was mad because the Hawks told him they were going to draft him and he was ready to come. not sure if he’s still mad about that.
and, no, the Hornets are not going to trade Paul for Marvin and Teague.
Slimjr
November 30th, 2011
9:35 pm
Marvin for DeAndre Jordan..He plays the 5…..Throw in some draft picks and a stiff too…
Marvin’s not a stiff yet?lol
Michael Cunningham
November 30th, 2011
9:38 pm
@Sautee: this should make you happy. according to D-Rose, Al has been working on his post game.
Astro Joe
November 30th, 2011
9:38 pm
Guys have been patient with Josh for 7 seasons yet rip on Al for one disappointing season. Whatever. If the game were only about physical attributes, Javale McGee would be an All-Star and Gerald Green would be in the league.
My guess is the ASG will continue to operate the team like it is a furnished apartment that they are renting. They may change the color of the bathroom rugs, but I wouldn’t expect them to be tearing down any walls. It will take new ownership to make a “franchise-changing” move.
Slimjr
November 30th, 2011
9:38 pm
“always heard Paul is mad because the Hawks told him they were going to draft him and he was ready to come. not sure if he’s still mad about that.”
Yea I’m still mad too Chris..How dare they draft the “Great and Never Late” Marvin Williams instead of you???
Billy Knight must have been off his rocker………
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
9:39 pm
Slimjr
You are right sir.
Only about 25 teams in the NFL would love to have -him-.
*[Matty Ice]
Mike is back
November 30th, 2011
9:41 pm
Good for you Grandad, we are all Hawks fans…hence the reason we blog on a Hawks blog…save for TROLLS.heh heh
Dude U GOT a lil jazzy during the lockout bro…but we know that wasn’t U…we know some troll had high jacked your moniker.lol
To the blog crew…C’mon MAN…anybody looking for SUND and ASG to veer from their strategy in FA…has been drinking way too much…kool-aide…I’m looking for more bottom feeders…JUSTS resign Damien…please don’t screw that up.
The ASG took a shot @ us on blog…BUT they know they are still looking to sell team…only these guys could screw up the sale of the Hawks jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
I feel even worst for Thrasher’s fans…had the BASG stay consistence…the ATL would still have a Hockey too…again jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.lol
Anyway, still a Hawks fans…it’s in my DNA.
Astro Joe
November 30th, 2011
9:41 pm
Slim, I think the Clippers will trade Kamen and keep Jordan, he is a much better fit with Blake than Kamen.
doc
November 30th, 2011
9:42 pm
@MC, glad you been enjoying being gone because the time here has been missed tremendously. glad your vacation and cardinal bird watching is over.
Michael Cunningham
November 30th, 2011
9:54 pm
@doc: well, there was lots of college football and some WNBA, too. never thought i would know so much about the Dream and the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
9:55 pm
I…A M…G O I N G,,, T O… S P E A K…L O U D…A N D… …
S L O W L Y…L I S T E N… C A R E F U L L Y…;;;
I,,,S A I D…A L…&…L A I M B E E R…H A D…T W O…
T H I N G S…C O M P A R I B L E…1…T H E Y…P L A Y E… …
C E N T E R…&…2…T H E Y…A R E / W E R E…F A C E – U P…
S H O O T E R S…!
Was that a bit easier to comprehend.
Those were the only areas in which I attempted to make the comparison.
____________________________________________
For my next project;
I wish to compare the similarities between:
Mugsy Bogues v Mark Eaton
Sautee
November 30th, 2011
9:55 pm
MC,
Thanks for the info. I’m sure that you’ll have a story soon about “what I did on my extended summer vacation” for all the returnees.
Sautee
November 30th, 2011
9:57 pm
Grandad,
In addition, both players had a full set of intangibles.
Oh wait, I said that too fast. heh heh.
Michael Cunningham
November 30th, 2011
9:58 pm
Dang, just saw Marvin on TV at this UNC-Wisco game.
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
9:59 pm
* P L A Y E…C E N T E R… …*
*THE…D…disappeared.
*joke – kinda like Al’s did in the play-offs
*now see – I can make fun of my own self & Al @ the same time.
Slimjr
November 30th, 2011
9:59 pm
“For my next project;
I wish to compare the similarities between:
Mugsy Bogues v Mark Eaton”
Grandad got Jokes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO………………
brigadierjerry
November 30th, 2011
10:00 pm
Grandad,
Would you take a one year rental on Chris Paul and if you had to give up horford or Smith but get back Okafor would you go for it?
Astro Joe
November 30th, 2011
10:04 pm
Grandad, I think it is against every blog-comparison law to liken players from different races. I think that created some of the mass confusion… you broke every blog law known to mankind. You should have compared Horford to Bob Lanier.
brigadierjerry
November 30th, 2011
10:06 pm
I will say this about Dwight Howard before I post it on Schultz blog. Do I like Howard and want him on my team?Yes but I will say this He’s dominating because of the lack of Centers in the NBA.
All of the previous dominating Centers have won a Championship: Shaq,Duncan,Hakeem,Jabbar and WIlt. This dude hasn’t won jack chit yet. He’s just a big overgrown baby who likes to pound the rock and have everyone stop and watch him dunk. He ain’t ever winning a championship… yeah I said it!
He couldn’t carry Kareem’s jock strap… Tim Duncan was 1000x the player Dwight howard is. He’s only in the NBA because of his size, period.Dwight Howard wouldn’t even be a guaranteed starter 15 years ago
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
10:06 pm
S a u t e e
i n t a n g i b l e s ;
Are you sure, that each one,
had both their intangibles ?
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
10:09 pm
brigadierjerry
Right on !
“Better living through chemistry”
Sautee
November 30th, 2011
10:12 pm
Grandad,
I misspoke, or should I say, mistyped. Laimbeer lost one of his intangibles in the late-eighties when the refs got wise to his flopping, so he didn’t really have a full set.
Sautee
November 30th, 2011
10:16 pm
Jerry,
If D12 were on my team, I’d have him playing a Ben Wallace role (but obviously better), and he’d be the 4th option on offense. He’s way too unpolished offensively to dominate his way to a ring. But he’d be a heck of a stopper on D.
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
10:23 pm
A J
You are so right.
How could eye be so [color] blind.
However,
Bob Lanier was a lefty,
think of the political inferences some may have drawn ?
Man;
Bob Lanier -Underated- as an all-time great.
I could never put Any current NBA Big man in his size 22 shoes.
If he were playing right now;
they would have to have “One CBA” prrovision
just to pay the man.
He would be the best in the game today.
Yet when he played – he was overshadowed.
Dwight – please.
A J; Thanks again for making me remember the lefty hook.
I think I remember him more for playing at St Bonaventure.
Big Dog
November 30th, 2011
10:24 pm
D.Howard has made it clear that Josh is his boy, they roll together and have the talent to take the hawks to the highest. If they get their wish they will play with full intensity and absolutely expect to win. There is a reason they tape so many commercials together. They’ve been buddies all their lives. Let them play together like they want to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rVIU8fJQ8w
http://atlanta.sbnation.com/atlanta-hawks/2011/8/11/2358262/dwight-howard-adidas-commercial-josh-smith
Mike is back
November 30th, 2011
10:29 pm
AJ, U still tha mane folk…can I get a reprieve on Josh…like Freddy Jackson saID…for ole time sake.lol
Astro Joe
November 30th, 2011
10:34 pm
Reggie Evans or Chuck Hayes would be good adds if the Hawks actually wanted to spend more than $800K on a FA (I know, a silly thought). More than likely, any frustrations with Josh will be ignored as his likely back-ups will be Benson or Rolle. Maybe we could get Solo Jones back in here for <$1M… he could teach those other guys how to be a marginal rail-thin NBA player.
Grandad, Lanier was slightly ahead of my time, I just recalled that he was very, very good from outside while still being a very good low post defender and rebounder.
brigadierjerry
November 30th, 2011
10:36 pm
MC, I read somewhere Hawks were talking to agents in regards to the below players Kurt Thomas. Jeff Foster, Grant Hill, Caron Butler, Do you know if any of this is true?Would be good to offer them one year deals
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
10:41 pm
Another way to get Paul & Okafor:
N.O. gets:
Joe, Josh, Teaguer, Zaza
Atl gets:
CP3 & Okafor + Patrick Ewing jr
Okafor’s contract is not as obtrusive as once was.
We shed Joe’s contract
Joe plays relatively near LR Ark
Joe will provide a little “s” superstar for N.O.
that will help their city a bit.
Zaza balance losing Okafor somewhat for N.O.
Teaguer = pg of the future for that city
and who knows, maybe Josh grows up and becomes a SS over there.
Just Win / Win Baby !!
Big Dog
November 30th, 2011
10:42 pm
Al horford reminds me a lot of center Erwin Mueller.Of course Erwin Mueller in fact I cant figure out who would win if those two played 1 on 1 ….
I guess it would be a toss up with neither man wanting to defend the basket. I guess if you do the math Horford would probably get the best of Mueller
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
10:47 pm
A J
I got your drift. (I understood) I only mean’t to enhance
I saw Lanier alot.
He was sooooo good !
Yes he could face up.
plus:
*lefty hook
*defend
*rebound
*tough
*he was tall, long, and Big
*a winner
*a class act if I remember
*in the pros;
didn’t have the supporting cast.
*A “classic” Center
Grandmaster JeJe
November 30th, 2011
10:51 pm
MC, you get to see the players tomorrow, right?
Let us know if Horford has put on any muscle and if about Marvin – if his horrendous back is upright now.
Also, I’ve asked this a few times but maybe I missed an answer, but if someone like B.Roy were to be amnestied then signed by a team, what type of contract would he expect?
I would not amnesty anyone on this team. ASG cannot afford it (although few people have mentioned the fact that they no longer have the Thrashers to worry about)
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
10:51 pm
Big Dog
-refresh my memory-
(1) Who the heck is Erwin Mueller ?
-&-
(2) How many all-star games did -he- play in ?
[rec league don't count]
Grandad
November 30th, 2011
10:52 pm
Brandon Roy has “paper mache” knees !!