Atlanta Hawks: Tentative deal reached to end lockout
Stayed up until the wee hours anticipating an end to the lockout. And so of course the news didn’t break until like 3 a.m.David Stern, Billy Hunter and deputy commish Adam Silver emerged some three hours later to announce a tentative labor agreement.
No word yet on details of the agreement (and what it will mean for the Hawks’ shaky cap/tax situation). But the goal is to open training camps and free agency on Dec. 9 and play a 66-game regular season starting on Dec. 25. The Hawks are scheduled to play at New Jersey on Dec. 27 but word is the schedule will be reset much like it was at the end of the last lockout.
NBA team personnel will not allowed to speak publicly until the deal is officially ratified. That won’t happen until Stern gets the owners on board and the players re-form the union and take a vote.
(Update: Chris Sheridan has some details of what made it in the final deal.)
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SteveW
November 26th, 2011
10:29 am
Yay!!!
SteveW
November 26th, 2011
10:30 am
I’m totally shocked. I thought this season was totally lost. And maybe even next season with this lawsuit stuff. Wow
SteveW
November 26th, 2011
10:31 am
Now we can get back to talking about Teague, JJ and the rest. I still think with LD as Coach, we’re toast. But I like the reports I’ve been hearing about JJ.
JSS
November 26th, 2011
10:32 am
Yes yes y’all, and it don’t stop, get on the Hoops and Michael Cunningham doesn’t have to cover crazy Glen Rice Jr anymore!!!
JSS
November 26th, 2011
10:34 am
Will Niremetal and Rod from College Park come home now?
JSS
November 26th, 2011
10:36 am
And will you free Big Ray from Purgatory now?
MsDee
November 26th, 2011
10:41 am
Happy about the season returning..not so happy about the Hawk same owners
J.J.M.
November 26th, 2011
10:50 am
Josh smith done got fat and joe is all skinny now
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
10:51 am
@JSS: “Michael Cunningham doesn’t have to cover crazy Glen Rice Jr anymore!!!”
Or college romances.
O'Brien
November 26th, 2011
10:51 am
I am cautiously optimistic. From the Sheridan article;
Stern said he does not expect unanimous support from the owners, who will vote on the tentative agreement after the owners’ full negotiating committee receives a rundown of what is in the new deal.
Players also must ratify the agreement, a process that could take as long as a week while the union, which dissolved itself last week by issuing a disclaimer of interest, is reconstituted..
I think the players will approve the deal. The big question, is will there be enough owners to agree to it?
O'Brien
November 26th, 2011
10:53 am
MC,
Regardless of the new salary cap, tax restrictions etc, isn’t it likely that there will be some kind of window (one or two years) for those teams over the cap to get under the cap w/o significant penalty?
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
10:55 am
@O’Brien: Yeah, seems Stern has had trouble holding together his coalition throughout this mess.
FreshFromATL
November 26th, 2011
10:55 am
GLAD TO BE BACK!!
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
10:57 am
@O’Brien: “Regardless of the new salary cap, tax restrictions etc, isn’t it likely that there will be some kind of window (one or two years) for those teams over the cap to get under the cap w/o significant penalty?”
i think that’s the thinking behind the amnesty and “stretch” provisions, which i’m assuming remain intact in the final deal.
JSS
November 26th, 2011
11:11 am
@ Michael Cunningham…
Dang, I missed your by-line… You got to be afraid of any fella who calls his girl “too cute!” Ah to be young, he might just get away with it
Sam
November 26th, 2011
11:29 am
Amazing video of a high school senior from Columbia TN who kicks the ball dead straight 75-80 yards in the air. He was successful on 54 of 54 attempts this season….100%. Now he needs a college team.
Watch for yourself…it is unreal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JKwgwFY3g
FreshFromATL
November 26th, 2011
11:36 am
So if the Hawks amnesty Marvin or Kirk, could they make a run at Nene during free agency???
Marvins Gotta Go
November 26th, 2011
12:37 pm
………. ……….. …………
JSS
November 26th, 2011
12:51 pm
@ Michael Cunningham…
Serious question, did Adam Silver seal his fate (never becoming the next commissioner) in this whole thing?
A concerned fan..
November 26th, 2011
1:04 pm
LETS GET BACK TO BUISNESS
WHO CARES !!!!!
November 26th, 2011
1:25 pm
EXACTLY WHO CARES ??? WHY DO YOU IDIOTS CONTINUE TO SUPPORT A NOTHING SPORT ??? AMAZING !!!!
TEAM NEEDS TO BE IN SEATTLE NOT IN LOSERSVILLE U.S.A.
GLAD I NEVER ATTEND, NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL, nba STINKS AND SO DO ANY FANS WHO SUPPORT THIS CRAP LEAGUE AND THIS AWFUL TEAM !!!!!!!!
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
1:35 pm
@WHO CARES: Why would Seattle want this nothing sport?
@JSS: “Serious question, did Adam Silver seal his fate (never becoming the next commissioner) in this whole thing?”
good question. i don’t know. they did get a deal done. Silver kind of got put out there as the bad guy at certain points.
Mike is back
November 26th, 2011
1:35 pm
YEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
LET’S GET IT GOING…LET’S GO…LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A concerned fan..
November 26th, 2011
1:41 pm
MC: When do you believe training camps/free agecny begin? If so, what players do you see the Hawks signing/waiving do to the amnesty clause. It’s great to have the season back.
bigdave
November 26th, 2011
1:45 pm
question:
say the lockout hadn’t ended.. would the free agent class of 2012 still be eligible? or would they owe another year to their respective teams. are the contracts calendar based, or based on seasons?
2 FOR JOHN DREW
November 26th, 2011
1:47 pm
I’M READY…. NOT ONLY FOR SOME NBA BASKETBALL, BUT I’M READY FOR MURELLO TO MAKE A 2ND TRY @ TRYING TO OWN THE HAWKS, I’M READY FOR MARVIN TO TRY HIS NEW BACK ON ANOTHER TEAM … FOR J.J., TEAGUE, & HORFORD TO LEAD THIS HAWKS TEAM …. TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET A COMPATIBLE ATHLETIC CENTER FOR OUR TEAM …. FOR BIG RAY’S BLOG … FOR DRMARYB’S WORLD …. FOR THE REST OF ALL THE GREAT CAST OF BLOGGERS WHO MAKE THIS BLOG SO MUCH FUN …. & I’M READY FOR THAT CHRISTMAS DAY TRIPLE-HEADER , LET’S DO THIS BABY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Najeh Davenpoop
November 26th, 2011
1:48 pm
In all seriousness it will be a lot more fun to complain about Teague not getting playing time, Joe bogging down the offense, Smoove taking bad shots, Al not manning up in the post, Marvin existing, etc. than it was to complain about there being no NBA at all. Welcome back NBA.
Can you imagine what this condensed free agency period would be like if it was last year’s free agent class? It’s going to be crazy enough as it is.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 26th, 2011
1:49 pm
I would be a lot happier, though, if the Meruelo deal (or really any deal to buy the team) was still on.
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
2:14 pm
@concerned fan: “MC: When do you believe training camps/free agecny begin? If so, what players do you see the Hawks signing/waiving do to the amnesty clause. It’s great to have the season back.”
Dec. 9 for camp/free agency. will have to see the details of the amnesty clause and luxury tax level before i can figure what the Hawks might do.
2 FOR JOHN DREW
November 26th, 2011
2:21 pm
I’m also sadden, because my close friend JOE WALKER, longtime Atlanta sportscaster passed earlier this year. I’ll miss taking him to all the Falcons, Braves, & Hawks games. Going to the dressing rooms, assisting him w/ his pre-game & post-game interviews and sitting on press row for a sports lover like me was pure heaven. And even though he was blind, Joe had a real passion for certain details. He use to always know from the sound of the ball hitting the bat ” THAT’S GONE, BABY ” !!! Love you man, you are missed !!!
ILL-Logical
November 26th, 2011
2:36 pm
A great holiday season gift for the people who depend on the games to make a living; die hard NBA fans; players,staff and related businesses(lawyers,CPA’s doctors).
ILL-Logical
November 26th, 2011
2:38 pm
And the player’s families!
A concerned fan..
November 26th, 2011
3:28 pm
MC: 2nd question, how long will this new CBA last?
Rev in Tampa
November 26th, 2011
3:40 pm
Play Ball!!!
G-E-O-R-G-I-A!!!!!!!
November 26th, 2011
3:44 pm
Maybe getting the NBA season started will get everyone’s mind off that áss-kicking teck just suffered in their own house. Hawks fans are used to that, just like every team in Fatlanta!
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
3:55 pm
@bigdave: “say the lockout hadn’t ended.. would the free agent class of 2012 still be eligible? or would they owe another year to their respective teams. are the contracts calendar based, or based on seasons?”
based on dates.
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
3:56 pm
@concerned fan: reported as 10-year CBA with opt outs for both sides after six years (TV deal is up then).
Grandmaster JeJe
November 26th, 2011
4:01 pm
FIRE WOODY
mountain_jim
November 26th, 2011
4:20 pm
FIRE SUND!
For trading away 2 number 1’s while the solution was sitting on the bench the whole time.
(not to mention Marvin and JJ’s contracts.)
cdog
November 26th, 2011
4:20 pm
NOW HAWKS WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS, LETS BRING DWIGHT HOWARD HOME TO BE A HAWK. THEY CAN GIVE US THE CHAMPIONSHIP. HE BELONGS WITH THE HAWKS
Big Ray
November 26th, 2011
4:29 pm
Welcome back to the NBA (tentatively speaking) – you have a lot of work to do. A LOT.
Welcome back to all the complaining – we’ll pick up where we left off.
Welcome back ASG – just kidding. We’re sick to death of you and sad as heck that you’re still here.
cp
November 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
Glad the lockout is over.. Will the Hawks be shopping in the bargain bin for free agents? If so then the bench might be worse than last year’s.
observor
November 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That’s disappointing news if true.
niremetal
November 26th, 2011
5:04 pm
If this season ends up as ugly as the ‘99 season was, I’d rather they start later and play even fewer games. Remember Kemp the Blimp?
BILLY KNIGHT
November 26th, 2011
5:07 pm
Man i’m glad to be back.
what up world i no yall miss me.
BILLY KNIGHT
November 26th, 2011
5:09 pm
I was scared for minute thinking the deal would never get done.
2 FOR JOHN DREW
November 26th, 2011
5:13 pm
Hey M.C., is there a ” free agent time period ” & do you expect it to be as crazy as the NFL’s ?
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
5:19 pm
@2 John Drew: “Hey M.C., is there a ” free agent time period ” & do you expect it to be as crazy as the NFL’s ?”
the plan is for free agency to open on Dec. 9, the same day camp begins. since the season begins Dec. 25, yes, free agency will be crazy. trades, too. figure on 7-10 days of constant transactions as teams build their rosters at the same time.
Michael Cunningham
November 26th, 2011
5:21 pm
@niremetal: “Remember Kemp the Blimp?”
someone at the Lou Williams game said this was his main lockout worry. “i don’t want to sit around and get fat. if you remember, that’s what kind of messed up Shawn Kemp’s career.”
wish i could remember who said it.
JSS
November 26th, 2011
5:30 pm
Niremetal sighting, this is indeed a Christmas mir-a-cle!!!
terrell
November 26th, 2011
5:43 pm
Call Marvin and tell him to get his azz off the couch. lol
terrell
November 26th, 2011
5:46 pm
Let the Coach search begin. Oh yeah, forget about LD. Bummer.
terrell
November 26th, 2011
5:50 pm
Only if we had an OWNER.
niremetal
November 26th, 2011
6:26 pm
JSS,
You knew you hadn’t gotten rid of me forever
MC,
I think training camp will be a revelation. I have a distinct feeling that more than a few players fell into that trap. Kemp was merely the most egregious example back in ‘99. It seemed like the whole league was out of shape, which is why the pace was so slow and the scoring so tepid that year…
JSS
November 26th, 2011
6:38 pm
@ niremetal, after having to reading blogs about crazy people and folks girlfriends, I feel like Tiny Tim once Scrooge finally got the real meaning of the Christmas Spirit (DASG)!
Blast
November 26th, 2011
6:58 pm
Good news, though I knew all along the greedy owners would not lose the season. Sigh. Back to all the complaining. But welcome back, basketball!
Interesting news on Kemp. Knew getting fat ruined his career, didn’t know he got fat because of the lockout. That could be a huge concern for players.
Amnesty clause? Dump Marvin. Easy choice.
Let’s go, Hawks!
Rod from College Park
November 26th, 2011
7:52 pm
Amnesty, cut, trade, release Marvin. I would like to see us go after Tayshaun Prince.
Basketball Jones
November 26th, 2011
7:58 pm
They apparently did not address the real problems with NBA. These long term guaranteed Max contracts and unproven teenage prospects that teams have to take chances on are the reasons it is the same teams at the top year after year. Boring!
UGA
November 26th, 2011
8:13 pm
I really like what the Hawks have. Teague is the X factor, if he plays like he did in the playoffs, uh oh. Don’t know if we should trade Smoove. If we amnesty Marvin, that could free us up to sign a Dalembert. I think Crawford is gone unfortunately. Do the amnesty thing, sign Josh Howard or Vince Carter even Michael Redd, get Dalembert.
ryan
November 26th, 2011
8:32 pm
Damn now were going suffer through the ASG the way the can make up with fans is make a big trade which i doubt will happen .
Astro Joe
November 26th, 2011
9:03 pm
Hopeful news for sure. Interesting to read some of the concessions, starting with the “Melo Rule” which can only apply to a handful of truly elite players. Kind of strange that the players would hold out in part to help out maybe 3% of their fellow union members.
Oh well. Let the Games Begin!
HERE'S THE PLAN, D*MNIT!
November 26th, 2011
9:23 pm
Let Crawford walk (but thanks for everything, JC!)
Amnesty Marvin
Keep Josh
Sign a veteran SF (Hill, Battier, Prince, etc)
Trade Hinrich for as many bodies as you can get.
Done and done.
Worldwide Clyde
November 26th, 2011
9:26 pm
I’m ready for Najeh to crank up that Sekou Bloggers fantasy league. I know yall didn’t have a draft without me.
Another year with the Spirit Group. SMGDH. I guess I will be stuck watching the games on the internet like I did last year.
FIRE SUND
GM Sale
November 26th, 2011
9:26 pm
MC, all: Long time reader, Atlanta ex-pat and Hawks fan; first time poster. I couldn’t be more excited for the prospect of a 2011-12 season. I make it home to ATL from NYC for 4-5 games per season. Here’s hoping the revised schedule results in some sick Saturday matchups at the HF. Holler.
SteveW
November 26th, 2011
9:37 pm
We’re still owned by ASG
We’re still near or at the cap
We’re still Coached by Larry Drew
We will not sign any significant FA’s
Our players will be:
Center – Al and ZaZa
PF – Smoove and Kito
SF – Marvin and Damien
G’s – JJ, Hinrich, Teague
That’s 9 guys with the rest being the DLeague, 2nd round, camp invite types, unless a Vet slips our way.
The Lockout may be over, but let’s live in the real world guys.
SteveW
November 26th, 2011
9:40 pm
My over/under on Larry is 20 games – then he’s gone.
Unless he’s been getting good lessons from a real NBA Coach during the offseason.
And I’m not crowning the Heat just yet either. I think a young team, like the Thunder, Grizzlies, or the Bulls may win it all this year. And the Lakers, Celts, and Mavs will be in the hunt also.
SteveW
November 26th, 2011
9:42 pm
With ASG, no way we amnesty Marvin I guess. Or Hinrich. They’re not paying anybody for not playing or being on the team. Not happening unless some of those guys with ASG, Levin, Gearon and the like have gotten in on some of this bailout action we’ve been giving the elite in this country.
PLEASE
November 26th, 2011
9:53 pm
This is terrible news! Hopefully the new labor agreement has the Hawks moving to Winnipeg
A concerned fan..
November 26th, 2011
9:57 pm
From what I heard after the failed attempt of selling the hawks to muerelo (however you spell his name, lol) is that ASG is fully commited to bringing a championship to the ATL. Let’s hope those words are true. #Let’sGoHawks!
SteveW
November 26th, 2011
10:14 pm
I forgot Jason Collins probably comes back to ATL also.
I don’t think Jamal comes back under any circumstances. Somebody is going going to vastly overpay for him. But I don’t think it will be ATL
Najeh Davenpoop
November 26th, 2011
10:37 pm
” ASG is fully commited to bringing a championship to the ATL. Let’s hope those words are true. ”
Haha good one.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 26th, 2011
10:38 pm
“I’m ready for Najeh to crank up that Sekou Bloggers fantasy league. I know yall didn’t have a draft without me.”
I wasn’t the commish, but to whoever was, I’m ready for fantasy bball too.
cdog
November 26th, 2011
10:42 pm
who cares, atlanta is not losersville anymore. that has long gone. every team in atlanta is a winner.we haven’t won a championship but we are winners, over .500 or better.even the dream.they played for the title, remember? you have your losing cities mixed up
cdog
November 26th, 2011
10:44 pm
i haven’t criticized rick sund in a long time.sund or whoever, lets put the dissapointments to waste, lets do whatever it takes to bring in dwight howard.with him, we have championship hopes this season.
Grandmaster JeJe
November 26th, 2011
11:09 pm
Bring Dwight Howard here. Offer any 2 players on this roster for him.
In my opinion, he is the Most Valuable Player in the NBA, and he should have at least 2 trophies to show. Take him off Orlando, and that team would struggle to beat some College teams.
Grandmaster JeJe
November 26th, 2011
11:12 pm
MIX UP THE CORE THIS SEASON
DO NOT GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS WITH THE SAME DAMN 4-5 PLAYER CORE.
MARVIN/HORFORD/JOSH/JOE WILL NOT WIN YOU A RING
HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO I AND THE REST OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO KEEP SAYING THIS CRAP.
HOW HAVE WE HAD THE EXACT SAME DAMN CORE FOR 6 FREAKING YEARS NOW.
THAT’S RIGHT. WE’VE HAD THE SAME DAMN STARTING LINEUP (PG POSITION DOESN’T COUNT THAT MUCH) FOR A BAJILLION YEARS IN A ROW AND HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE FOR IT
ASG SELL THE TEAM ALREADY
Grandmaster JeJe
November 26th, 2011
11:13 pm
PG POSITION DOESN’T WEIGH AS HEAVILY BECAUSE WE HAVEN’T REALLY HAD A STAR AT THE 1
doc
November 26th, 2011
11:24 pm
cajt wait to read up on this more. literally om the road and hope tye proverbial rug isnt pulled out again.
at least some sanity somewhere in the group
Rev in Tampa
November 26th, 2011
11:25 pm
I co-sign SteveW’s 9:37 & 9:40 comments except for his opinion that the Celts will be in the championship hunt. They are finally too old. Maybe a shortened season might help them but they will not make it past the first round.
Rev in Tampa
November 26th, 2011
11:30 pm
@doc (11:24pm) – I always thought that it was the doctor’s handwriting that make them so hard to read, but I see it applies to their typing as well.
FreshFromATL
November 26th, 2011
11:43 pm
Lol, although the blog was shut down for a few months, I see some of you dudes have picked right up where y’all left off.
EmirS.
November 26th, 2011
11:51 pm
AWESOME!
Wow it feels like its been forever……
I MUS WRITE
November 27th, 2011
12:07 am
Good News ……….Good News indeed……..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 27th, 2011
1:02 am
“I co-sign SteveW’s 9:37 & 9:40 comments except for his opinion that the Celts will be in the championship hunt. They are finally too old. Maybe a shortened season might help them but they will not make it past the first round.”
You may be right that they are too old, but I do think the shortened season is really going to help teams like them, the Lakers, and San Antonio who are on the old side. Those veterans are going to be so much more fresh and so much less banged up when the playoffs start. I think it hurts a team like Memphis who got to the second round last year in large part because they were younger/quicker/more athletic than their opponents.
doc
November 27th, 2011
1:58 am
iphonelexia rev
nire agree, not too pleased about 66 game schedule
oh well
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doc
November 27th, 2011
8:29 am
nice article from the nytimes
it points out well that the disparity still resides in revenue sharing if owners really want parity, there is a sad and striking disparity between the haves and have nots that will always be there to get the best coachrs and gm’s that truly are part of long term successes even though they say it is a players league. it goes on to point out free agency will be a farce in my oponion and schedules will not allow fans already footing the bill for the strike in season ticket revenues wil be shorted once again as they are not assured they will have the oportunity to see all the best players and teams in our case in atl the west. no fan should think on sny way they were a true consideration except for lip service.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/sports/basketball/nba-and-basketball-players-reach-deal-to-end-lockout.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha27
Dawg
November 27th, 2011
8:39 am
SteveW: Best post of the day. We are still the same Hawks with the same ill-constructed team with the same budget.
Astro Joe
November 27th, 2011
11:58 am
doc, the NYT article confirmed what I was saying a few days ago. The final issues weren’t about the size of the dollar but more about the denominations of the coins. I couldn’t get too militant about issues like that.
I hope that the Hawks had a few extra scouts checking out the international leagues for the past few months. LD and his staff conceivably could have been over there checking out the talent considering the need to sign “fillers” on the backend of the roster.
And I wouldn’t expect Jason Collins to return, my prediction is that a contender will offer him a better contract to defend Howard in the playoffs.
EmirS.
November 27th, 2011
12:30 pm
Yea I can see Jason Collins going to the Bulls or Heat to defend Dwight Howard in the playoffs. That’s if he’s still in the East.
But don’t be surprised if whatever team has Dwight….they pick up Collins to.
cp
November 27th, 2011
12:38 pm
Are we going to have another season of Nique calling games? He says some funny things at times, although unintentional, but I just couldn’t listen to him near the end of last season.
Do any of the guys the Hawks had in for that mini camp have opt out clauses? If so I wouldn’t be shocked to see two of those guys make the team. I know Joel Alexander really wanted to sign..
I don’t expect much out of Marvin but I think they will see if he plays better with a healed back. If not then they will probably put him on the trading block again before maybe using the amnesty clause.
doc
November 27th, 2011
1:00 pm
astro again competition issue will only be impacted by true revenue sharing which that article described as well. this was mot about competitve balance but aneffort of the magician to make you take your eye away from the trick bait and switch. now each team will have 10 to 15 mil more on estimate to make money not be competitive. this was about not killing the cash cow. as long as the knicks and lakers can roll in the money they can afford to stack it any way they want if competent. this is mlb not nfl way of dealing with inequities.
doc
November 27th, 2011
1:09 pm
it boioed down to the usual playees not wanting to lose a full season of income while saving face to the incoming players over the length of the contract which i am sure you noticed can be renegotiated in six years.
the owners protected their own with an extra ten mil a year to keep from gong under while keeping their books safe and anti-trust status unchallanged.
we all knew these issues and the outcome back in the summer but fans get hosed and the support staff gets no return of lost wages much mre imprtant to them as their margins of financial health are much slimmer than any ownership groups or indiblviduals.
Michael Cunningham
November 27th, 2011
1:10 pm
New blog is posted. Shutting down this thread.
J
November 28th, 2011
12:12 pm
get the UGA jokers off this blog