Atlanta Hawks: Owners’ latest final offer includes 72-game season

NBA reps and union officials emerged from their meeting at about 11 p.m. No deal. Here is the full union press conference and here is the league.

The highlights:

  • Owners made some changes to the previous proposal that was rejected by the union. David Stern said it’s now take-it-or-leave it: “We have made our revised proposal and are not planning to make another one.”
  • The players don’t like deal but they are considering it. Billy Hunter called it “not the greatest proposal in the world.” He plans to talk it over with the 30 team reps but for some reason it won’t happen until Monday or Tuesday. Hunter said it’s a course of action that was endorsed by the players on the executive committee. “I have an obligation to at least present it to membership, so that’s what we are going to do,” Hunter said.
  • Stern said the league would wait until the players meet and decide on the deal. If they don’t accept the offer, then the league’s “revised negotiation position” would become the 47-percent BRI, “flex” cap deal that he threatened if the union didn’t accept the previous deal by Wednesday.
  • Hunter didn’t rule out the union eventually accepting the deal on the table: “It depends on the direction we get from the player reps.”
  • Union decertification is still in play.
  • Stern said the owners’ offer is based on a squeezing in a 72-game season that opens on Dec. 15. Deputy commish Adam Silver said the start of the playoffs and the Finals would be moved back a week. That would mean a very tough schedule for players.
  • The players continue to object to system issues that include sign-and-trades and mid-level exceptions for tax-paying teams. “I can’t say on any one of them that they came off of [their position] the way we would like,” Fisher said. Adrian Wojnarowski says owners “barely moved” on important issues.
  • So basically Hunter and Fisher will present a plan they don’t seem to like to the player reps. It seems they don’t have a choice.
  • “We feel like there is nothing to talk about except our willingness to move off [our position],” Hunter said. “That’s why we need to meet with with the player reps.”
  • “We will bring the player reps up to speed on what I guess is called the ‘revised proposal’ that the NBA has made,” Fisher said. “And realize that this is the last best offer and make a decision at that point.”
  • Hunter said there also were 30 to 40 “ancillary issues” that needed to be addressed. He said they included the draft age limit, commissioner discipline of players and mandated off days.
  • Stern: “We have done everything possible given our goals of a sound economic model and having the most competitive league. The union raised some issues and we discussed those with the [labor] committee and we moved as far as we could move. So we are at where we are at. I’m optimistic that the NBA owners will approve it if the union approves it, and we await the response from the union. We’ve done our best.”
  • Deputy commish Adam Silver said he understand why the union is struggling with accepting rules that will reduce their freedom to move from team to team and also substantially reduce their share of revenue. “For any group of employees that is difficult to take,” Silver said. “I understand from the union’s standpoint it is a difficult pill to swallow right now. But I think we will be proven right and that [with the proposed CBA] this will be a better league for the players, the teams and the fans.”
  • A French reporter told Hunter, Fisher and the other union execs that they appeared “dissipated” and wondered if that meant they were defeated. That launched Hunter into a great rant in which he described what sounded like awful conditions in the negotiating room. “It’s been a long haul,” Hunter said.
  • CBSSports.com’s Ken Berger pulled a Perry and froze up when called on to ask a question. He said he forgot what he was going to ask.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Grandad

November 11th, 2011
12:36 am

Michael Cunningham

November 11th, 2011
12:38 am

@Grandad: Wondered if any of my blog people were still up. Nice.

slimjr

November 11th, 2011
12:41 am

Grandad

November 11th, 2011
12:44 am

Now Michael – that you and I are the only two awake;
no need to send along kudos for my award,
being 1st and all.

I reckon the players had better take the deal.

It sounds as if waiting ’til next week is nothing
more than posturing.

Michael, I do appreciate your work,
-thanks for keepin’ the blog open- !

So … ” Go Louisville ” … in your behalf.

Grandad

November 11th, 2011
12:48 am

Shoot fire – Michael – I only sleep about 3 hrs a nite.

” The problem with bein’ retired is you never get a day off “

slimjr

November 11th, 2011
12:53 am

“They (whoever “They” are) do not wish for Paterno to speak.
Paterno is so -naive- to the situation …
he would not know how to spin his answers.
All he will do is tell the facts as he knows them.”

@Grandad, did you ever see the movie from 1999 “EYES WIDE SHUT”,Stanley Kubrick’s last movie produced before he passed on? Tom Cruise and his 1st wife, Nicole Kidman played leading roles. A very bizarre movie indeed..It came to mind after what you just told drmaryb and I in the previous blog..

Michael Cunningham

November 11th, 2011
12:57 am

@Grandad: “Michael, I do appreciate your work,
-thanks for keepin’ the blog open- !

So … ” Go Louisville ” … in your behalf.”

Indeed. Thanks.

slimjr

November 11th, 2011
12:57 am

BTW, they said on ESPN that Paterno’s lawyering up with GHWB’ s former lawyer from the Iran Contra event…Wow! This is getting deeper by the hour…

JSS

November 11th, 2011
12:59 am

They just need to decertify and call the owners bluff… I hate to lose the season, but it is not the players job to save the owners from their own poor choices…

slimjr

November 11th, 2011
1:03 am

I agree with JSS, call the owners bluff! Those owners are full of themselves….So be it….

Grandad

November 11th, 2011
1:20 am

JSS & slimjr

Not a bluff !
Some … change that … alot of players missin’ that check.

ASG = better off not playin’.
They are probly hoping for no season.
No expenses – then sell team.

Nah – no bluff.

chuck

November 11th, 2011
1:37 am

I use to take my family of 4 to about a dozen games per year. We have stopped attending the NBA and have been going to UGA college games for two reasons. First, the Hawks team can’t be competitive against the owners that have unlimited spending capabilities. Second, the prices have become too much in this economy for a family of 4.
I hope the owners hold the line on a true hard salary cap to level the playing field. I also hope the owners cut the players percentage of revenue back into the low 40% range. That way the owners could have a chance to make a reasonable return (5-10%) on their teams WITHOUT having to raise the already too high ticket prices.

Grandad

November 11th, 2011
1:43 am

G-dad’s All Time Greatest Trade O’ the Day:

PHX gets:
Josh Smith, JJ Redick, Chris Duhon, -&- Marv Williams
[Hollinger's analysis = increases wins by 41]

ORL gets:
Steve Nash, -&- Josh Childress
[Hollinger's Analysis increases wins by 27]

ATL gets:
Marcin Gortat, Jameer Nelson, -&- Hakim Warrick
[Hollinger's Analysis increases wins by 34]

________________________________________________

We get our Big, lose Marv, Super Duper Sub Jameer Nelson,
back-ct. depth out the wazoo, Warrick backs up [3 & 4] (Josh clone),
We can let Jamal depart more easily.
Now sign Battier ! + can trade Capt Kirk if need be.

Win – Win – Win – All 3 Teams !
________________________________________________

ORL:
Gets Nash to make a run.
-fails-
We still have a shot at Dwight.
_________________________________________________

PHX:
comes out like a champ, boat-load young talent,
sheds Childress salary

Grandad

November 11th, 2011
1:44 am

vava74

November 11th, 2011
2:51 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ao4o7k

We get Howard with just one year left on his contract and two horrible contracts (Arenas and Turk) and ORL gets a boat load of talent (JJ, Horford, Hinrich expiring and Marvin) with one questionable contract.
Attractions for ORL:

Avoid losing Howard for nothing + Major salary dump + Horford gets closer to the hispanic community in Florida, JJ will be solid for at least 3 years, Marvin has “potential” and Hinrich is a good trade chip.

Nothing short of us taking a pile of garbage like this would allow us to get Howard, who, playing with Josh and returning home MIGHT feel happy enough to re-sign an extension and postpone his trip to LA.

ORL:

Nelson, JJ, Marvin, Bass, Horford

(Duhon, Redick, Hinrich, Q. Richardson, R. Anderson)

Good enough to make it to the playoffs comfortably (48-52 wins IMO)

Hawks:

Teague, Arenas, Turk, Josh, Howard

(??, Sy, Wilkins, ??, Benson, Zaza)

Good enough to make it to the playoffs (50 – 57 wins) + a lot more buzz with Teague zipping and Howard and Josh swatting and dunking everything in sight

vava74

November 11th, 2011
2:59 am

Lock out:

I think the players will accept the deal.

A large chunk of the players manage their moneys poorly and will have difficulty holding on.

Stern and the owners know this.

There are a bunch of guys who are desperate for a contract and a pay-check and did not plan ahead for the lockout.

Dawg

November 11th, 2011
6:37 am

Thanks MC. Players: Just reject the thing and start your long process of decertification. Good riddance. You won’t be missed.

EPSN has several more NFL replays from last week, they have more shots of Tiger being only 10 strokes off the lead, they have a story of Notre Dame winning two games in a row and being considered a top 10 team, they have a story about Cam’s father spending the money they did not get, about Saban oversigning but daring people to notice, and finally about how good a manager it is takes to manage the Yankees on only $200 million.

Seriously, you wont be missed.

drmaryb.[*_*].

November 11th, 2011
6:48 am

The Death of a University!

Hey fellas! check out MSNBC on Cable TV this morning till 9PM this morning. They are not talking Politics today. They are peeling away the layers of a Blooming Onion in The Outback in re: to this
Perp_State story.

Stop the Presses! The missing DA in PA was aware of the Skank-Dusky crimes and the local Police Dept. also looked the other way. The DA’s laptop and hard drive found torn apart and thrown into the river bed a half mile apart was found by some old man fishing, who called the Police. The DA, Ray Gricar’s disappearance and eminent death is no longer an unsolved mystery. He has been tied to the Perp-State scandal.

meanwhile, back at the ranch, Damon Edwards, AD of UGA gets run out of town for what? A DUI with red panties in his lap? He sure got swift justice – didn’t he? Compared to the AD at Per-State, perhaps he should have gotten another raise! Franco Harris just needs to shut-up with defending Joe Pa, (he was on MSNBC last night) repeating the cries of the idiot students re: how great Joe Pa is/was.

The local Police Dept. of these prestigous universities are bred to look the other way when it comes to College Sports related crimes – as Ken Strickland would say, “Where is the Logic?”
Had this Been Indiana and Bobby Knight? How much do you want to bet IF he saw his assistant coach raping a 10 year old in the shower, Bobby would have been arrested for the Death of an Assistant? Surely, Bobby Knight would have been throwing more than chairs at this Skank-Dusky character and would still be incarcerated to this day.

Just, how does Joe Pa look the other way? How? I say – Shut Perp-State down! If I were Nebraska? I wouldn’t go anywhere near that campus for a football game on Saturday – in a vehement protest to what Perp-State stands for, or NOT stand for.

Put Skank-Dusky in prison without protective custody and let him deal with whatever he has coming his way.
__________________

looks like the NBA Owners have blinked and are trying to squeeze in 72 games for the love of money and the fact that the media doesn’t care about the NBA right now. All everyone is talking about now is Perp-State. Stern better recognize and get his boys back to work ASAP. There are bigger issues in the world today, than the cry babies of the NBA!

Let’s Go Hawks!

JSS

November 11th, 2011
7:22 am

You never cut off your nose to spite face… And Granddad, you know that call their bluff means just that… You’ve (players and management) managed your money poorly, that’s too bad… But to inject your future with what amounts to a lethal dose of heroin is crazy and silly.

The deal is poison, it is in no way going to make bad owners like the Maloofs or the ASG viable. All it does is clear the deck of the liability that they produced… Now that is a bailout of the greatest resort! Now just decertify and take away the owners right to the congressional anti-trust exemption. Either you can collective bargain, or you just pay the price…

O'Brien

November 11th, 2011
7:28 am

Chuck,

First, the Hawks team can’t be competitive against the owners that have unlimited spending capabilities..

Did you know that the Hawks were top 10 in payroll last year? Also, the Knicks owners have unlimited spending. But who has more playoff trips the last 4 seasons? The Hawks.

The problem for the Hawks and the ASG is not money. The problem is investing wisely.

O'Brien

November 11th, 2011
7:45 am

“We feel like there is nothing to talk about except our willingness to move off [our position],” Hunter said. “That’s why we need to meet with the player reps.”

“We will bring the player reps up to speed on what I guess is called the ‘revised proposal’ that the NBA has made,” Fisher said. “And realize that this is the last best offer and make a decision at that point.”.

Sounds to me like Hunter and Fisher realize that the owners are not going to budge anymore, so its either take the deal, or more games will be cancelled (and eventually the season).

I think the owners are willing to miss the season (like they did in the NHL), but the players want to play (and some of them need to play). I think player reps will accept the deal on Monday.

And as a Hawks fan, I am ready for basketball. I miss Marvin and his stumbling/bumbling, and I miss Josh and his 3-pt attempts.

Name 2 things you miss.

sam'l

November 11th, 2011
7:46 am

Adios Meruelo.

Buddy Grizzard

November 11th, 2011
7:47 am

Keep it coming Dawg but don’t forget the Perp-State story! Oh you won’t bring that up will you? Can’t relate to young black athletes but you’ve got a soft spot in your heart for white sodomizers of 10-year-old boys.

bgrizzard

November 11th, 2011
7:52 am

ON TOPIC Dawg!

“The problem for the Hawks and the ASG is not money. The problem is investing wisely.” – O’Brien

I hate that they threw all that money at Joe, but look at the series he had against Orlando. I loved when he took it straight at Dwight and tear-dropped it over him. He wasn’t as much of a factor against CHI, but as I’ve extensively documented, that series was lost due to the worst playoff coaching performance in NBA history.

So I agree with your comment about not investing wisely. But keeping Joe at all costs brought us very close to the ECF. The thing that kept us from getting there was not the Joe Johnson contract. It was the Larry Drew contract.

Buddy G

November 11th, 2011
7:57 am

Two things I miss!

Teague holding his own against the league MVP.

Kirk Hinrich sending ORL home in Round 1.

dap01

November 11th, 2011
7:57 am

Guess what NBA, no one will care. Cut your own throughts. You have a great way to make a living.

Lose the season and lose millions. JJ will lose $20 million. Ha, Ha. No one will care..

Paddy

November 11th, 2011
8:05 am

This is not a bluff! The players will fold like a $2.00 suitcase.

bgrizzard………..you are right the Larry Drew contract should not have been executed. If they do play this years it will be a total loss in Atl. A No Confidence vote by the players for Larry Drew and a No Confidence vote by the fans for the ASG. Not a good hand to draw too!

Grandad

November 11th, 2011
8:47 am

O’Brien

Two things I’m already missing:

1. LD’s oversized suits

-&-

2. Joe’s 1st quote of the season:

*[which will be]

“we’ve got to learn to trust each other”

doc

November 11th, 2011
8:57 am

chuck uou are in never never land. this is not about the fans nor holding ticjet and concession prices doewn. it is about a club of greedy billionaires being able to all make more money inspite of themselves with fans as enablers. never did they promote this as cist savings to fans onlyfor our benefit of competitive balance. i can sell you more if you buy that one. owners are not transparent at all nor into profit sharing among their own.

before you know it you wil be watching high school games which may not be all bad.

now is the test of solidarity and union resolve.

doc

November 11th, 2011
9:04 am

dmb and others this was not a moral move by the board but a public relations move. due process wasnt served but a piwerful movement by the press where perception became reality. this is pr, poly sci and jounalism101 front and center. meanwhile the lawyer for the kids says the joe pa firing may do more harm than good to the victims. yup read it in nytimes. also some writers are calling itfor what it was writers trying to top each other and themselves with outrage.

dap01

November 11th, 2011
9:09 am

Joe’s first quote of the year: “Man, we just gotta trust each other, man!”

dap01

November 11th, 2011
9:12 am

Teague, Hinrich and JJ could make a very good rotation. We need on shooter from the SF position and one real center who can rebound and play defense.

Then we need a coach who can put it all together.

brigadierjerry

November 11th, 2011
9:27 am

interesting that players dont like the deal but are going to present it to their player reps?if they decert which i dont see happening season lost but he problem is that league is mostly made up of middle and lower tired players and they cant afford to miss a season if it was star players only i can see them missing season cause they can afford it. reflecting on the hawks posttseaso it s amazing to me hawks were this close o making conference finals. i blame it a lot on coaching. i guarantee if hawks had skiles or dantoni or scott brooks hawks make conference finals. i watched he whole bull series last week and they shouldve won

doc

November 11th, 2011
9:30 am

i guess after hearing so many report it i need to read tye document of tye grand jury as much as i didnt want to. even our honest said it was eye opening. again sadly this is oart of our tikes and always has been repeated over the centuries.

Astro Joe

November 11th, 2011
9:34 am

Once again, our Hawks will be behind the 8-ball. If this gets approved as outlined above, teams will have about 3 weeks to sign FAs and have some practice time together before the real games start. While the Hawks will be able to bring back their sacred core, they will be forced to introduce about 50% new players to the fold with very little time for meaningful integration. Once LD goes to the bench, it will look like a pick-up game of random players trying to figure out the team dynamic on the fly. (Feel free to tee off on how that may not be terribly different from previous years).

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slimjr

November 11th, 2011
9:48 am

SHUT DOWN PENN STATE FOOTBALL IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAKE IT SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slimjr

November 11th, 2011
9:49 am

NAW JUST SHUT DOWN THIS UNIVERSITY PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brigadierjerry

November 11th, 2011
9:56 am

check out cnnsi.com nba articles on the specifics of the revised nba proposal theproposal will definetely limit player movement. very hard to create superteams unless star player takes big discount

brigadierjerry

November 11th, 2011
10:00 am

penn state disgusting stuff and we know kids that were abused were minorities how ironic the molester came out with a book called touched on thing thigs like this has been happening for hundreds of years but now with media now way it is finally exposing it

slimjr

November 11th, 2011
10:06 am

Darn, now the police in Texas are investigating an alleged rape by this monster @ the ALAMO DOME?? WTF????????????????

MSMBC is on top of this story! Thanks drmaryb for that info! Neil Boortz said the unreported victims are usually 10x the number of reported victims? Huh?

drmaryb.(*_*).

November 11th, 2011
10:22 am

Two Things!

The two things I have missed most are:

1. J-Smoove’s ugly face to the refs on every foul called.
2. MV-Teague riding the bench with the poker face of – “Whatever Man, I know I can ball on these cats!”

I fear that if Direct TV doesn’t get a deal with FSS soon, I will miss just about all the TV Games, unless I change my satellite provider. What will Taco Mac and the rest of us do then?

brigadierjerry

November 11th, 2011
10:44 am

drmaryb check live streams also i see u like csi stuff like me

slimjr that is because he took one of he kids to texas alamo dome

drmaryb.(*_*).

November 11th, 2011
10:51 am

Sordid Details!

Yeah slimJr baby! Ain’t this some Hot Garbage?

O’Brien said to name two things we will miss without the NBA games, but, I got three. I would miss SlimJr’s enthusiasm and passionate posts with all the !!!!!!!!!!!!! marks.

I love me some SlimJr – yeah man! Me and you need to head on over to Perp-State and Roll the Locker Rooms and the Admissions Office too!!!!!

Let’s Shut IT Down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

November 11th, 2011
11:04 am

Enter your comments here

AG

November 11th, 2011
11:09 am

The players should take the deal. When I managed, our goal was to keep our labor to under 27%. Another concept I managed, we kept labor % under 22%. Over 50 % going to the players cannot be compared in any other companies except college athletics. Then some players agreed to take less money to play overseas than to accept slightly less money to play in the US… and actually the owners have guaranteed the existing contracts, so nobody makes less money!

O'Brien

November 11th, 2011
11:26 am

Grandad,

Pretty soon, Rod will come on and tell us that he misses LD’s oversized grey suits, because that’s all he seemed to wear.

AJ,

I think LD will ride his 8 man rotation, with only sporadic minutes given to the pickup guys on the bench.

northcyde

November 11th, 2011
11:43 am

Two things I’ll miss . .

1) Hearing the crowd at Philips Arena say NOOOOOOOOOOOO everytime Josh Smith takes a jumper of 20 feet or more

2) Seeing all of those fine azz females at Philips. It’s damn near like a beauty pageant there.

drmaryb .[*_*].

November 11th, 2011
11:47 am

Testing … 1 2 3

Astro Joe

November 11th, 2011
11:49 am

OB, yeah, maybe even closer to 7 guys. Heaven help us if someone gets hurt (which you almost have to expect given the strong possibility that not all of the guys have maintained the proper fitness).

Two things I miss… Josh Childress being smart enough to stay close to the rim and move without the ball and Flip Murray attacking the goal almost everytime he receives the ball. Two guys not pretending to be Glenn Rice.

Oh, you were talking about from last year’s team? Nothing! :lol: