Let’s assume the lockout eventually ends (please) and that two of the provisions reported by both SI’s Sam Amick and Howard Beck of the New York Times both are part of the new CBA: an amnesty clause and a “stretch” provision.
Beck reports that there is a “tentative agreement” for both items, while Amick says the amnesty clause is “resolved” and the stretch provision is “mostly resolved.” It’s also worth noting that David Stern has said more than once that there’s no deal on anything without a deal on everything.
Let’s also assume that Alex Meruelo will be approved to assume majority ownership of the Hawks in the near future. Should he/will he take advantage of these new CBA provisions right away? If so, on which player(s) should he use them?
First, the details of each provision as outlined by Beck and Amick:
Over at ESPN.com, Marc Stein and Chad Ford nominate Marvin Williams as Atlanta’s most likely candidate for the amnesty clause:
Sources with knowledge of the Hawks’ thinking insist that the team isn’t ready to give up on Williams. Atlanta apparently still thinks that, at worst, it can deal him away, despite the Hawks’ inability to find any sort of trade market for Williams up to now. The fact that Atlanta’s ownership situation remains highly unsettled, thanks to the latest revelations about Alex Meruelo’s attempt to buy the franchise potentially collapsing, might also buy Williams some more time in the ATL.
Yet most rival teams believe that, at some point in whatever amnesty window is ultimately made official, Williams and the remaining money on his deal ($25 million through 2013-14) have to go. . . .
Seems to me there’s some contradiction here. If the Hawks haven’t given up on Williams, then why did they shop him at trade deadline in each of the last two seasons? They certainly would trade Marvin if they could but there’s just been no market for him.
Anyway, the thing that makes Marvin a more likely candidate for the amnesty clause than J.J. is that the salary still must be paid after a player is waived. Do you think Meruelo would rather eat the $25 million owed to Marvin, a player who can be replaced by a player making less money, or be on the hook for $107 million to J.J. who–while making superstar money without superstar production–would be much more difficult to replace?
Wiping away J.J.’s salary now with the amnesty clause and keeping Marvin would make Atlanta’s committed payroll look like this over the next five seasons (not counting non-guaranteed deals and prorated amounts for canceled games and assuming Marvin exercises his $8.05 million option for 2013-15):
Wiping away Marvin’s salary now and keeping J.J. would make Atlanta’s committed payroll look like this over the next five seasons (not counting pro-rated salaries for canceled games or non-guaranteed deals):
Assuming the cap continues to hover at about $60 million, the Hawks would gain significant and immediate relief by waiving J.J using the amnesty clause. They would have to wait until 2013-14 to see dramatic cap benefits from waiving Marvin using the amnesty.
But could the Hawks use the “stretch” provision to get better results?
Waiving Marvin using that mechanism would spread his $25 million over seven years (3 x 2 +1). The cap figures for each of those seven years would be 25/7, or about $3.6 million. It might be better to live with Marvin’s salary for at least another year (or two years, and then try to trade his expiring contract in 2013-14) than spread it out for what would be moderate cap savings.
Waiving J.J. now using the “stretch” provision would mean spreading the $107 million over 11 years (5 x 2 +1). The cap figure for each year would be 107/11, or about $9.72 million. That seems like too much dead money for too many years (and writing “dead money” makes me feel like I’m back covering the NFL).
A lot of this, of course, depends on Meruelo’s strategy, which is difficult to ascertain since the lockout gag order comes with the threat of hefty fines from the league and Meruelo hasn’t even taken control of the team yet. (These are also the reasons it’s been impossible to write anything meaningful about the Hawks, but I digress.)
Is Meruelo willing to eat salary and then also double down by adding to the payroll to replace the player(s) let go? Does he even have the cash flow to do so even if he wanted to? Or would the reported lack of cash flow make Meruelo even more likely to use the stretch provision on J.J. and then not try to replace him with comparable player, thus trimming Meruelo’s annual expenses significantly while tying up long-term cap money (and no doubt angering my blog people)?
Would ASG be willing to waive players and then add payroll while the sale of the team is in limbo? Would ASG do it if the sale of the team falls through? If so, would the current owners use one of the provisions now or leave that to the next buyer, assuming they find another one?
Shoot, could they even wait to use the amnesty or stretch provision? Just getting the roster to the minimum would push them over the current luxury-tax threshold, and I’m assuming that still is a no go no matter which owner(s) calls the shots.
My hope is that soon after the lockout ends the answers to these and so many other Hawks questions will finally be answered.
Etc.
Dinamo Sassari waived Hawks draftee Keith “Kito” Benson. Benson’s mother, Janice Hale, called it a “mutual parting of ways” and said Benson will work out at Oakland (Mich.) University with a focus on building his strength. Sportando Basket tweeted me a take on Benson’s departure. . . .
I’ve called and emailed Zaza to check on the reports of his injury but haven’t heard back yet. Will update if/when I do. . . .
It turns out Damien Wilkins’ “Monster Slam” exhibition game on Saturday will be at Clark Atlanta after all. Tickets and info are available here. . . .
Hoopinion notes that Pape Sy had a good game. . . .
Peachtree Hoops is part of a black-white thing. . . .
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Grandad
November 3rd, 2011
6:07 pm
doc:
As always your points are valid.
However, when was I quick to note entitlements
and other inherent parts of any equation;
while turning a blind eye anywhere ?
All I did was enlighten this blog to the owners way of thinking;
according to the information I had gathered.
sources:
* Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo Sports
* Bill Simmons, Grantland
* Henry Abbott, espn
My remarks to you were entirely aimed at the
slavery / plantation analogy.
As stated in my last post – no need to defend your position -
owners vs players.
My position on that [ownrs v plyrs] is “play Ball”.
But, my ultimate concern is:
* -Competition- *
I wish for a competitive league. period.
A league based on competitive balance !
A league devoid of the NY Yankees.
Basketball, being a 5 man sport with 8 or 9 man rotations;
a team that can outspend (such as the Yankees)
would Kill professional basketball’s already teetering
competitive balance.
The system -is- broken !
LeBJ and his “Decision”;
was a tipping point for the league.
They had to stop that and -Now-.
Your remarks about Sterling, Gilbert, et al;
though egregious has nothing to do with “competition”.
There are “stupid people in all walks of life:
NBA owners, NBA players, NBA bloggers & posters,
physicians, grandfathers, chiropractors, musicians, Coaches,
and right on down the line.
One cannot take a stand against owners due to Donald Sterling,
Dan Gilbert, ASG, or Robert Sarver.
Neither can one stand for or against the players;
on account of ass clowns such as LeBJ, Kobe [admitted rapist],
Rodman (certifiable), Battier (intelligent), Steve Nash (Canadian),
Zaza ['cause he's from Georgia] or Jason Kidd *(color),
* by the way – if you had to pick a color – [ Kidd];
seriously, ? ? ?
I still say any comparison of NBA players to slaves,
any analogy at all does not hold water.
You talking about serious, vivid, tragic, points in history …
and linking those events to today’s;
NBA millionaires and the lifestyle they lead.
Please doc;
hear what I’m saying with the utmost respect.
Sincerely,
G-dad
EmirS.
November 3rd, 2011
7:06 pm
In addition to the Pierce/Johnson comparison,
Joe never shows that fiery spirit like Paul does. I never see Joe get into the face of a ref or another player like Paul. I agree skill-wise they may be neck and neck, but spirit on the court is all Pierce.
And as far as Marvin……the guy is getting paid big bucks. He knows he hasn’t lived up to his expectations. So why try? He’s gonna get paid for the rest of this contract. After that’s up…expect someone else to pick him up again with a contract well into the millions. If he’s being financially smart, he’s set for life.
Hey….anyone willing to bet that Marvin’s contract expires with the Hawks…and they choose to pick him up again?
doc
November 3rd, 2011
7:35 pm
my point also very strongly is competition comes with smart owners not some oft the bozos we all see as emperors with no clothes. yes to competition but it has nothing to do with money as isiah and dolan showed. nate posted a very revealing post from the economist that represents the nba and his argument and mine is money has nothing to do with the product in the end. read it if you havent and it might balance your comments you made here. yes, slavery is too strong and i regretted it, plantation mentality isnt. gilbert’s boy was stolen from him and he acted the clown act to the ninth degree.
drmaryb.(*_*).
November 3rd, 2011
7:48 pm
The Great Debate!
G-Daddy & doc got a helluva debate going on here. It’s like watching a Grand Slam Tennis Match. My eyes can’t stay on the ball. He He!
I would chime in, but I’m too busy eating popcorn and sipping on Crown Royal & Cherry Coke. Oops! Can some one pass me the butter? Naw … I’ll keep quiet – both of you have stolen my heart and both Gents have made stellar points! No losers here.
Carry on! (LOL)
doc
November 3rd, 2011
10:18 pm
mc one got lost in the filter, please rescue?
brigadierjerry
November 3rd, 2011
10:47 pm
My point is that I know that Pierce is better than Joe Johnson. Pierece has swagger and is not afraid to make contact and make big shots. Pierce is tougher mentally I actually think that Joe johnson is best as a second wheel and the only way that happens is to get a player of dwight howard. He is better at blending in. He is kind of the player you dont pay attention to similar to what his role was in Phoenix because of Nash, Stoudmire, etc. If it cannot be done to get a star player then the move will have to be made to possibly have this team go in another direction and start over. Sometimes teams get only so many chances when they are very good team to get to the Finals or even win one. After 4-5 years of the same results it becomes reality that maybe it is time to go to another direction and by that I mean change in personnel. The year the NBA gets back on the court whether this year or next, I feel this is somewhat of a make or break year for the Hawks. If the Hawks cant make the conference finals, I think it may be time to blow this team up and the Hawks probably have peaked.
Grandad, I dont know if you agree but this Hawks team reminds me of the Bucks teams of the 80’s. Was always a very good team but could never get past the top teams. I feel like this Hawks team will be one of those teams when it is time to reflect that those Hawks team had their chances but just couldnt get over the hump.
Look at the Kings of years past They did get screwed that one year but they were a good team for about 4-5 years always on the peak of being elite but could never make it over the hump. I feel the Hawks are at that point now.
MOVE TO SEATTLE PLEASE !!!!!!
November 3rd, 2011
10:57 pm
GO AWAY hawks, nba BASKETBALL DOES NOT NEED TO BE IN THIS TOWN.
SEATTLE IS WAITING AND IF… THIS OWNER IS SMART, HE WILL MOVE THIS WORTHLESS TEAM THERE ASAP, WHERE THERE IS INTEREST.
ATLANTA NEEDS THIS TEAM TO MOVE, THIS LEAGUE IS WORTHLESS, UNINTERESTING AND I AM DAMN GLAD TO HAVE NEVER PAID A DIME TO EVER ATTEND A GAME OF THIS NOTHING TEAM.
THEY WILL BE MUCH BETTER OFF IN ALL RESPECTS IN SEATTLE, PLEASE MOVE !!!!
pitifulasgllc
November 4th, 2011
12:38 am
The slavery / plantation analogies in reference to NBA millionaires are a grave insult to all those who were actually subjugated in that horrific system. Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Al Horford, Kirk Hinrich, ZaZa Pachulia, et al are all very well compensated for their efforts. Save the plantation references for the major college football and basketball players who generate billions and receive next to nothing for their efforts. Just my .02.
B-Grizz
November 4th, 2011
4:51 am
From the last blog:
“People still wating on Marvin to improve. LOL” – Rod from C.P.
Ya’ll laugh, but I’m not expecting Marvin to improve his game. He will still be the same soft player. Why do average players put up big numbers on bad teams? Because there are a lot of shot attempts available. When the other team is scoring against you at will, your team gets alot of scoring attempts at the other end.
What does this have to do with Marvin, since he’s not on a bad team? The analogy is still valid because Marvin will now see a significant increase in his number of shot attempts in the absense of JC1. Do I think he will all of a sudden stop being sorry? No. But his trade value will increase as his stats increase.
Speaking of laughing at my ideas, here’s Dei Lynam talking about how the 76ers should go after Kwame Brown:
http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-sixers/news/How-would-Sixers-look-if-season-started-?blockID=586716&feedID=694
NikkiFree
November 4th, 2011
6:12 am
Joe Johnson still on the team? Yes? Well, I guess that means I’m still on strike against the Hawks.
Grandad
November 4th, 2011
7:32 am
doc:
You and I are are mast probably closer in philosophy
than you may think.
I really am on neither side.
I am on the side of the working man;
no not so much the players [union],
but the workers, venders, ticket takers, cab drivers,
hotel motel industry, bartenders an the like.
Also I’m an advocate of the fans.
Who reresents us in this negotiation ?
But one bargaining point / chip … I’m unwilling to cede’
is “power” -if you will- to;
immature, uneducated, ass clowns such as LeBJ.
He’s an admittedly talented player.
But, what gives him the wisdom -or- the experience to
shape a league for future years.
There are many serious minded, intellectually prepared, mature,
though broad minded players who are much better prepared
to see the big picture. Not just what is best for the elite.
Stacking the league with SuperStars in the Big mkts;
in my opinion is not any scenario in which I’m willing to support.
doc;
I’m weary from waging this snotknocker with you.
I’m akin to Larry David & you’re effectively Wilt “Goliath” Chamberlain;
while my sling shot is tangled up in my *loin cloth.
*(in my case it was my nut bra)
To my dear friend doc;
have a good day,
Sincerely,
G-dad
O'Brien
November 4th, 2011
7:38 am
JJ was #3 in Phoenix (behind Nash and Amare), but he wanted to be top dog, which is one reason why he came to ATL. And now 6 years later, we find out he is better as a #2 (although he has the talent to be a #1, he doesnt have the mindset, the killer instinct, the leadership etc).
He knows it too. Mr “I dont get all the credit when we win, so why should I get all the blame when we lose”.
O'Brien
November 4th, 2011
7:42 am
In other news, the players are considering decertifying. If that happens, I think we will miss an entire season, because the issues will go to court, and will take a while. And between players and owners, I think the players will feel it more.
I understand what the players are trying to do, but it looks like the owners will not budge from their 50-50 split (no matter the cost), so I can’t help but wonder if the players should bite the bullet.
dap01
November 4th, 2011
8:49 am
Hey NBA, no one will miss you. 50% of something is better than 53% of nothing.
Cecile Paluk
November 4th, 2011
1:33 pm
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