Atlanta Hawks: And so it begins . . .

Well, what seemed inevitable is now official. The NBA season is going to be less than 82 games for its teams this season because owners continue to lock out players without a new CBA.

The league announced tonight that all games through Nov. 14 are canceled–that means wiped away, not postponed as earlier reports speculated might happen before today’s seven-hour negotiation session. For the Hawks, the decision tosses aside games at Minnesota, vs. Boston, at Chicago, vs. New York, vs. Utah and at Orlando.

The new tentative season-opener is now Nov. 16 vs. Indiana at Philips. Season-ticket owners will get refunds with interest for the canceled games, including exhibitions. Alex Meruelo still is awaiting league approval of his purchase of the team from ASG, though he’s already made several trips to Atlanta and is up to speed on team matters.

Why did the league cancel two weeks instead of one? Think it has anything to do with players getting paid every other week during the season and owners wanting to make sure they missed a check? Now we’ll see if the players can maintain solidarity even as they lose money.

As for the issues in contention, including BRI and salary-cap structure, David Aldridge provided a thorough breakdown. David Stern told reporters in New York tonight that “system issues” like contract lengths and annual raises are bigger problems than the BRI split (and Aldridge reports the latter issues is now back to square one).

Looking at it from the outside, it seems to me the NBA is trying to do what every other business in America is doing nowadays: minimize its risks, subsidize its losses and privatize its profits. The players seem to accept that this CBA will not be as good as the last one but they are trying to preserve as much of that system as possible.

Sadly and frustratingly, it sounds like we could be in for a long wait for NBA basketball.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

151 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

October 10th, 2011
11:18 pm

Michael Cunningham

October 10th, 2011
11:31 pm

@Najeh: Awesome.

Grandmaster JeJe

October 10th, 2011
11:43 pm

Grandmaster JeJe

October 10th, 2011
11:44 pm

Gonna be tough weeks for NBA diehards. Falcons season is pretty much over.

Grandmaster JeJe

October 10th, 2011
11:47 pm

If the season were to start now the only players on the team that would be in shape are Joe Teague and Josh. Al would still weigh 185. #yawn

jofixi

October 11th, 2011
12:18 am

@Najeh – arguably the best, and most tension-relieving, post I’ve ever seen on a comments board. Props to you my hawks loving friend

Hand Down, Man Down!

October 11th, 2011
12:28 am

Thanks for the update, MC.

Worldwide Clyde

October 11th, 2011
12:37 am

Grandmaster JeJe

October 11th, 2011
12:40 am

FIRE SUND
REHORE WOODY

mike

October 11th, 2011
12:40 am

JeJe- I am betting that Josh is not in shape at all right now.. maybe Teague

Grandmaster JeJe

October 11th, 2011
12:40 am

Grandmaster JeJe

October 11th, 2011
12:42 am

Josh prob hasn’t stayed in shape but I’m sure he’s still quick. I bet Marvin still has those puny arms

Michael Cunningham

October 11th, 2011
12:47 am

@JeJe: I’ve been stuck with lots of CFB and the Dream. But I’ve still got a job, so that’s good.

anphill2

October 11th, 2011
12:52 am

Josh has been wearing the husky jeans, since he became a Hawk.
Gotta believe Sund knew the Johnson deal was a 5/100 and not the 6/123.

college>pro

October 11th, 2011
1:26 am

The college game is so much more enjoyable to watch anyway. There are probably a few die hard NBA fans who won’t know what to do with themselves but most basketball fans won’t really care because they can focus more on the college game. I hope more of the season gets cancelled. Professional athletes in general don’t realize how good they have it and I think the NBA players are the worst.

Reggie

October 11th, 2011
3:21 am

@college>pro

Shut up…nobody cares what you think. Get back to your moms basement and continue writing your name on the orange juice and milk you bought from Dollar General.

Ken

October 11th, 2011
5:53 am

I am a sports fan and love the Falcons and Braves. But the Hawks are my favorite. Why can’t we get more basketball news on the Hawks, it’s players, past history, etc.? AJC treats the Hawks like a step-brother to the Falcons and Braves instead of a little brother…

Earl

October 11th, 2011
7:28 am

Please cancel the entire season so sports center won’t be filled with the self glorified thugs patting themselves on the back like someone really cares.

Rasheed Wallace

October 11th, 2011
8:56 am

The peak of my career was when I was an Atlanta hawk

Rasheed Wallace

October 11th, 2011
8:59 am

@Reggie

If you are up at 3:21am on a Tuesday morning, chances are that you live in your moms basement and are out of work, just like me.

Bear

October 11th, 2011
9:03 am

Juch BS! I’ll go play for $50,000 right now.

J

October 11th, 2011
9:13 am

@Earl – last time i checked, NFL players caused more murders than NBA players. Go screw yourself you jack@$$ and get off this blog.

oldmike

October 11th, 2011
9:30 am

Both sides need to get together in a room and come down with an acute case of reality. This ain’t the 80’s or 90’s anymore. People – lots of them – are out of work. Some may never find real work again. The people that need the money the most – all the arena workers and league and team staffers – are not getting paid. How will they ever make up for their loss? For that matter if an entire season is cancelled how will a current player make up that loss. I am guessing the average career for a player is 5-6 years. So they are giving away 16-20 percent of their career earnings to squablle over 3-5 % of revenue? And length of contract? How many of you posting on this blog work with a contract? I am guessing that 99% are at will employees. Maybe even independant contractors. So NBA owners and players get back to the f***ing table and hammer out a deal. And while you are at it try to find a way to give maximum effort in each game you play. Don’t want to hear naymore post game comment like we weren’t ready to play of we mailed it in. None of us working stiffs have that luxury either. BTW what in the world are you doing for 7 hours “negotiating” that results in no progress? Give me a break. One more thing. Are you guys paying attention to what is hitting the NFL? Major injury upon major injury. Think one of those guys who struck is happy he didn’t have OTA’s and a better training camp? Not bloody likely.

Section 303

October 11th, 2011
9:40 am

There will be no season. Even though I knew this was coming (I’ve been saying no 2011-2012 season for the past two years), it still p#sses me off. I think both sides are morons. I do not really side with either one.

Any of you see all the player tweets yesterday? I love how they think a twitter hashtag is going to help fans rally behind their cause. If there was any remaining doubt that NBA players are stupid, yesterday removed any of it. I feel zero sympathy for them.

Players are going to get crushed in this battle. They have no shot. Just a matter of how soon they cave. I think, by the time they do, the season will already have been called.

Section 303

October 11th, 2011
9:45 am

One more thing…I would rather they call the season off rather than play a 50 game season, like in ‘98-’99. That was the worst season of NBA ball I have ever seen. I really do not need to see teams playing back-to-back-to-back nights, going through the motions, playing sloppy games. It was garbage. League would be better off calling things off than subjecting us to that mess again.

dap01

October 11th, 2011
9:51 am

The NBA should be careful. With football, college and pro, no one might notice that they aren’t playing. 50% of something is better than 57% of ZERO.

Even if they start back, the shorten preseason means no real hope for improvement with the Hawks.

Najeh Davenpoop

October 11th, 2011
9:59 am

“The college game is so much more enjoyable to watch anyway.”

Oh yeah. Gotta love that 18.8% shooting in the national championship game.

moboman

October 11th, 2011
10:08 am

Let em sit out. NCAA hoops very entertaining and actually AFFORDABLE. Those of us in the real world, who wear our sneakers more than once, could care less. I might even watch some hockey on TV! Yawn!!! Wake up prima donna players, you aint that important. The ones I feel sorry for are the non-player employees affected by this. They are the ones that unfortunately will have to suffer until the players wake up and realize how good they have it. 50% not enough????? To hell with you.

Sautee

October 11th, 2011
10:15 am

Anybody wanna give an over / under for how many posts until they pull the commenting?

I’ll say110.

MC, I’m glad you still have a job. As long as you’re on the payroll, throw us an off-season bone every now and then.

Sautee

October 11th, 2011
10:17 am

I almost forgot…LOL@ Najeh!

Twice.

ILL-Logical

October 11th, 2011
10:29 am

Yes, this the begining of the end for the NBA as we have known it. The real issue is the 4 major market owners refused to subsidize their less financially able brethern- at least 3 of whom should have by all objective standards been consolidated out existence9 I’m looking at you NO,SAC and MN). With revenue sharing , there would be little need to require such a large give back to the players and the game would have survived and maybe even prospered based on recent trends.
But once again, greed and selfishness carried the day and the public is feed the usual pablum about the American way.
Whatever emerges from this media fueled scrum will be a mockery of professional basketball. The game will watered down product marketed to a narrow elite who wish to see well muscled, nearly naked negroes run up and down the court in video game fashion.The focus for the betting industry will be the over/ under and the feeder system, college basketball will expand conferences like the current football revenue driven conference re alignment.

The Hawks? A complete non factor, thanks to the ASG and their complete and utter incompetence.
Oh, welcome back MC.

doc

October 11th, 2011
10:30 am

been following yo on the tech isights mc. yup glad you are still around. only wish we could talk basketball but it isnt up to us.

right now, i sit back and wait for my full cash rebate plus the big 1%apr ;-) . i wish all fans had signed up for that option instead of leaving their money in the coffers of the owners. with a season ticket pot to sit on they can wait.

whole season gone like in hockey a few years ago? maybe.

ant banks

October 11th, 2011
10:33 am

HEY Y’ALL!! I MISSED READIN’ THE POSTS.

does anyone know what effect a CANCELED season would have on a contract? if a player has a 5/80 mil deal, would a canceled season remove a year? or would we still owe that player a year? tryin’ to see if we can get a year off the jj deal

ant banks

October 11th, 2011
10:34 am

i really think that most teams would save more money buy not havin’ a season. the loss can still be written off on taxes, without havin’ to pay on a 100mil dollar pay roll

doc

October 11th, 2011
10:35 am

303 i agree, i dont want to pay for a watered down season so with a full return and no strings attached i am willing to wait this one out, watch some ncaa football i havent recently and reconnect to the college game. shoot i would have even taken in thrashers games but the basg stupidly sold the only game in town for the winter.

feel for the vendors, phillips personnel and restauranteurs their service folks around that section of town. not good.

doc

October 11th, 2011
10:39 am

najeh, heh heh, in classic mid season form without even pleading first. he must be thrashing it out on the falcons blog to stay so ready.

Brandon

October 11th, 2011
11:20 am

To all you idiots hoping they cancel the whole season think about this. The players and owners are not the only ones affected by this, there are people who work for the team, arenas, etc there are gonna be out of a job too.

J

October 11th, 2011
11:35 am

Najeh, you, my friend, have to be one of my favorite bloggers … tell it like it is with solid facts. And yes people, saying you’re alright with a season being missed is not fair to the employees who work for the teams.

J

October 11th, 2011
11:39 am

ILL-logical – that was a bunch of ranting. You ended by mentiong the Hawks & ASG … last i checked, there is a potential new owner in the mix. I don’t know about you, but that at least excites me some. Why focus on the past?

dap01

October 11th, 2011
11:56 am

The owners and the players should realize that no one cares about them. The owners would have not problem if they had some self control. The larger markets could care less about the less fortunate markets. The players union is just that a union.

Be careful NBA, you will be forgotten soooooo quick.

STRETCH

October 11th, 2011
12:38 pm

I do feel for the people working at the arenas cause its not like they are striking.

But, i could care less about these barely graduated high schoolers, college-dropout millionaires who go buy 23 room-12 bathroom houses, 250,000 dollar cars and who still cant shoot free throws and jump shots.

Its really funny how they get out of their Austin Martins, with the designer suits and 1000 dollar sun glasses when arriving at the CBA meetings while half of them have NO knowledge or understanding of the business side of sports.

Half of them will be broke or bankrupt in the years to come anyway cause they never learned how to manage anything. Like i said i do feel for staff members and personel working for these organizations.

But hey, they brought all this on themselves, management did. Its like feeding a child until he’s over weight and then you want to put a chain on the fridge.

wow

October 11th, 2011
12:42 pm

How long has it been since your last article?
Think the league can finally get a clause in the cba banning pot? IT’S ILLEGAL
It’s a league full of players with misconsrued ethics and law-breakers….
Therefore may they CANCEL the entire NBA FOREVER!

wow

October 11th, 2011
12:45 pm

@STRETCH…you forgot to add their love for the rap crap life. Which typically gets them NOWHERE but in jail.

STRETCH

October 11th, 2011
12:47 pm

Oh Yeah! Thanks…LOL!

Astro Joe

October 11th, 2011
1:01 pm

I predict that the Christmas Day televised games wil serve as the launch of the new season.

As a Hawks fan, I appreciate the league wanting to close the gap between owners like Dr. Buss, Mark Cuban and Dolan and folk like our soon-to-be-departed ASG. The old luxury tax was punitive enough to support a more balanced league from top to bottom. Joe was overpaid because the Hawks were ore interested in staying above averge than in dropping behind the likes of the Bobcats. But neither scenario really offered them a chance to actually improve because they weren’t going to come close to the payroll of teams like the Heat. If you don’t land that superstar in the draft, then you’re doomed to being a second tier team at best. As much as I will miss watching the game, I’m willing to wait in hopes that when it does resume, that there will be roster-building rules that will allow all teams to compete with each other (regardless of the wealth of the respective owners). Until then, I’ll watch the Falcons disappoint.

O'Brien

October 11th, 2011
1:11 pm

Doc,

whole season gone like in hockey a few years ago? maybe..

Exactly what I was thinking. Imagine that.

Hockey missed basically an entire season, and as a result, owners ended up closer to the system they wanted. I think NBA owners are prepared to miss an entire season, because most of them have other revenue streams.

What will players (and their families) do when they start missing game checks? Time will tell.

But I feel for those vendors, phillips personnel, restauranteurs, service folks etc who earn their living from basketball operations.

doc

October 11th, 2011
1:24 pm

yeah o’b, imagine that? heh heh

Vol4ever

October 11th, 2011
1:27 pm

That is fine for the season to be cancelled. After all the BS with the Hawks over the last 30 years I will not renew my season tickets this year or probably beyond. I will find something else to do with my time in the winter.

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October 11th, 2011
1:28 pm

STRETCH

October 11th, 2011
1:34 pm

Mr O’Brien,

“What will players (and their families) do when they start missing game checks?”

Im just wondering, if the player for example makes 2 million a season, then if he missed a couple of checks its time to panic????

If thats the case, then maybe said player should cut back on his and maybe is wife’s spending dont you think?

Im just wondering