Atlanta Hawks: The 2011-12 schedule, just in case
There is no league business because of the lockout but there is a schedule. There have been no bargaining session between owners and players since last month but let’s be optimistic and assume the schedule will go off as planned and the Hawks will open Nov. 2 at Minnesota.
Usually there would be some major free-agent signings by now and there would be a better sense of how teams might stack up. As it stands now, the Hawks have just seven players with guaranteed contracts for next season. By comparison, Miami has nine players with guaranteed deals (assuming no one is going to make a run at restricted-free agent Mario Chalmers), Chicago has nine players, Boston has seven (assuming Jeff Green stays put) and Orlando has 10.
But all five of the East’s top teams can pretty much return with their cores intact (with perhaps Orlando as an exception since J-Rich will be a free agent). So here’s a quick look at some schedule highlights for the Hawks:
- Last season Atlanta’s early schedule was grueling, if not by quality (of opponents) then quantity (of games). This time they only play 13 games in October/November with just two sets of back-to-backs.But nine of those 13 games are against playoff teams, including road games vs. Chicago, Orlando and Miami and home games vs. Dallas and Boston.
- The busy stretch is in March, when the Hawks play 17 games with 11 on the road and six sets of back-to-backs. They close out the month with eight games in 12 days.
- The Hawks are scheduled to play a total of 20 sets of back-to-back games. They are to play four games in five nights on two occasions and have 11 stretches of three games in four nights.
- For the third consecutive season the Hawks will play on Thanksgiving Day on TNT. They have seven other games scheduled for national TV, all on ESPN.
- The MLK Day opponent is Toronto on Jan. 16.
- Weekday games at Philips Arena are set to start at 7:30 p.m.
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DHD
July 19th, 2011
3:56 pm
Crickets
Dre
July 19th, 2011
3:56 pm
Thanks for the info Michael.
UGA
July 19th, 2011
3:59 pm
Thanks MC:
There is not much else going on obviously, could you do a blog on some players the Hawks could target to fill out the roster or something similar? Kind of like you did last summer.
Thanks
Melvin
July 19th, 2011
4:37 pm
Welcome back MC….
Astro Joe
July 19th, 2011
4:47 pm
Is this Hawks blog real or am I just delusional after going so long without a Hawks/AJC blog?
Astro Joe
July 19th, 2011
4:51 pm
Woody was better than Auerbach. Josh Smith shoots like Larry Bird. Speedy Claxton is an NBA Legend. Adam Keefe could have been Karl Malone. Bob Sura’s triple-double should have counted. Marvin has more fire than the Human Torch. Heat Check… I want to hear someone say Heat Check!!!
Delusional, I tell you… I’ve done lost my mind.
BigTimeTechFan
July 19th, 2011
4:53 pm
Looks like they play the same teams they played last year.
Not one penny...
July 19th, 2011
4:53 pm
Don’t care until ASG sells.
drmaryb (*_-)
July 19th, 2011
5:02 pm
Are those big manly MEN gonna play after all?? Ladies, start your engines!!!
OMG, I LOOOOOOOVE MEN!!!!
Dave
July 19th, 2011
5:17 pm
Heads up: even if there is a season, save your money, skip the Hawks, you will be so glad you did.
Geemack
July 19th, 2011
5:52 pm
Another boring season at Phillips Arena.
Go figure
July 19th, 2011
5:56 pm
Does any body really care? How wants to pay to watch a team lead by captain Mediocre Al Horford?
How freaking boring!!!
The press wants to build behind a guy who has begged out of helping the team,by playing a need position. Instead of embracing the position and playing defense he escorts to the basket in hope that he will be placed at power forward. Josh Smith is a better power forward than Captain mediocre.
And Woodson is better than JDrew! The Hawks are getting worse, sells are down and the fans are fleeing.
F the Hawks! Shove that 2011/12 schedule.
Ex hawk
July 19th, 2011
6:00 pm
Does any body really care? Hawks are losers… Trade Al
A concerned fan..
July 19th, 2011
6:33 pm
Finnally theres a blog….
A concerned fan..
July 19th, 2011
6:35 pm
GET THIS F**CKING LOCKOUT OVER WITH!
Stephen
July 19th, 2011
6:54 pm
Just wanted to wish ASG all the worst luck in the Hawks and the rest of their future endeavors.
Ken Strickland
July 19th, 2011
6:54 pm
DRMARYB-Baby, you are truely off the chain, but in a very good way.
I don’t believe the Hawks will be boring this season, assuming we have a season. LDrew is in the final yr of his contract, and although he shares some of the same STUBBORN STUPIDITY as MWoodson, I just don’t think he’s as stupid overall. Unlike Woodson, he’ll definitely give JTeague plenty of burn, even if he refuses to let him start.
We also know we won’t have any DEF liabilities at PG who will consistently slow the ball down, or spend all of his time on the perimeter looking to launch 3’s. With Teague and Hinrich as our primary PG’s, we’ll definitely run a lot more than we have in the past.
They will also create easier scoring opportunities for others with their ability to penetrate and speed up the gm with more fastbreak opportunities. This yrs team will definitely be a lot more exciting and productive than last yrs. With Hinrich, we retain the outside shooting ability that Bibby brought, and we gain the DEF ability, and just about everything else, that was totally absent with Bibby.
Whether Teague atarts or comes off the bench, he’ll give us the DEF and other dynamics that we missed with Jamal. While he’s not as explosive offensively as Jamal, he can certainly provide the consistency that he lacked. He’s also proven he can provide the 14PPG that we got from Jamal last yr.
The Hawks are a long way from being the team we want them to be, but they are an even longer way from being as bad as some of you try to make them out to be. Bad teams don’t make the playoffs 4 consective yrs, or make it to the 2nd rd 3 consecutive yrs.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 19th, 2011
7:10 pm
Quit closing the Hawks blog. I don’t want to have to go to Peachtree Hoops to post comments.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 19th, 2011
7:11 pm
Free Jeff Teague
doc
July 19th, 2011
7:30 pm
well someone did show up. i didnt think being first would be an honor on this one after being down so long. agree with najeh, penny counters at ajc must be playing hard ball.
glad to see ken has not turned pithy on us.
btw ken, that is not dmb. some things dont change.
still pondering pulling out of the season ticket line and asking for refund. i think i will have plenty of time to figure it out if and when this ends.
doc
July 19th, 2011
7:36 pm
look MC, could you please keep this open so adults can still talk among themselves. i have been following the discussion on cpj lambasting the ncaa sleeze bags and am overwhelmed at the level of immaturity there between the pup and techie fans. 2 of 3 are candidates for strong anti-psychotic meds. pretty please?
Sautee
July 19th, 2011
8:51 pm
MC,
If the blog is going to close after X number of comments, could you at LEAST explain why?
Some of us would like an actual reason.
Grandad
July 19th, 2011
9:14 pm
Check, Co-Sign & Amen;
to Naj, doc and sautee !
To Mr Cunningham:
Keep the dad-blasted blog open;
If you are required to write sumthin’ once or twice a week,
(so it can stay up)~(us old guys know ’bout keepin’ stuff up)
E-mail or call me . . . . . I’ll write it for you.
[even if I have to make something up]
-or-
Better yet, you make somethin’ up.
Just keep the Blog open !
Grandad
July 19th, 2011
9:19 pm
doc
“look MC”
“could you please keep this open”
“so *[adults] can still talk among themselves”
doc;
would yawl include those of us who have entered 2nd childhood ?
Melvin
July 19th, 2011
9:29 pm
doc,
Looking at the schedule, I see a lot of good games tentative schedule(pending lockout) for the weekend so you will be seeing me this season. Hopefully, you will keep your tix buddy…
Melvin
July 19th, 2011
9:30 pm
I see the AJC added a spell checker to the comment box. At least they added an upgrade during their lockout of the blog fans… LOL
Hammer22
July 19th, 2011
10:23 pm
Finally, a new blog post.
doc
July 19th, 2011
11:04 pm
sure gd all non-psychotics welcome. i dont think for a second you needed to enter your second childhood to b here or anywhere for that matter. heh heh
i hear ya bud melvin, cant wait to see you on kiss cam again. classic and you didnt fumble the passs either if i remember.
Ra'mon
July 19th, 2011
11:05 pm
I must be on the wrong site, because AJC.com doesn’t have a Hawks blog do they??
MC, please stop closing the blogs.
Section 303
July 20th, 2011
12:00 am
This is actually a pretty good schedule. Some big games on the weekends should help attendance.
Too bad none of these games are going to be played. There will be no season this year.
Columbus
July 20th, 2011
12:49 am
Same ASG ownership? They have ONE chance and that is this year to redeem themselves since they now have their full attention on the Hawks. if they do not make it to the Conference finals we WILL BOYCOTT THE HAWKS IN EVERY WAY UNTIL THEY ARE GONE.
I want them gone now but I will give them THIS year to redeem themselves and get the BEST CENTER that is available in the WORLD that is available. NO MATTER WHAT IT COSTS MONETARILY. Joe and Al need help in the middle. They need athleticiism that we had when Josh Childers was on the team. We were fun to watch then and the team would feed off the energy of the running and slamming high-flying fast breaks. Josh Smith dont do as much of that anymore for whatever reason. Maybe him and Teague can get it going if Josh is still around.
1) A Top Center
2) Energy
3) Phil Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy, PAY for a coach! Could have had Doc maybe a few years back you cheapos!
4) Strong D is a MUST!
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
July 20th, 2011
12:59 am
This is a lost season – too much greed and hubris on both sides. Stern is as tyrannical and stubborn as Genghis Khan. Players get criticized for going for the ring (Lebron) or going for the money (JJ) but players attract the crowds. Coaches and players alike can’t speak their minds without paying dearly through fines. Now they want a hard cap – getattahere!
Worldwide Clyde
July 20th, 2011
2:35 am
“Bob Sura’s triple-double should have counted.”
I thought it did. Oh well.
FIRE LD
Worldwide Clyde
July 20th, 2011
2:39 am
The Hawks Blog is the busiest blog on the AJC but they wanna shut us down. I feel like Freaknic. They leave that sorry Falcons blog up year round but us Hawks fans get no respect. SMGDH
Buddy Grizzard
July 20th, 2011
3:30 am
A fascinating look at the career of Boris Diaw:
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2011/07/18/the-lost-season-boris-diaw-05-06/
Buddy Grizzard
July 20th, 2011
3:31 am
And yeah eat a dick AJC.
nba-stinks
July 20th, 2011
5:35 am
This NEEDS to be The Seattle schedule, NOT here, this team STINKS and needs to be SOLD and MOVED ASAP. Going to a Cancer ward is more interesting and fun than this CRAP NOTHING sport !!!!
MOVE MOVE MOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kevin
July 20th, 2011
5:59 am
Who cares if start at 12 midnight let them sweat before empty seats …To all hawks fans if u go please wear only Thrasher’s gear to Game for opener show up the owners on floor Boo them so loud u can’t hear them speak on court! I know u folks can show Geron levsason n friends and ASG to shove it where the sun never see light at…. stay away please folks show them all thrasher’s jersey at game make it blueland all season at NBA not Hawkland….enjoy eatin crow ASG we not ever show up see u n give u money let The Mayor run cryin too!
vava74
July 20th, 2011
6:01 am
Start Teague and everything will change.
It’s that simple.
The whole perimeter oriented game dynamic will change and everyone will benefit. Everyone.
JustAThought
July 20th, 2011
6:12 am
Oh wait! What, no e-mail to season ticket holders “asking” them what time they would prefer games to start…………………………….Oh I know you didn’t think I would forget did you?
drmaryb (*_*)
July 20th, 2011
7:57 am
Blog Trolle!
“DRMARYB-Baby, you are truely off the chain, but in a very good way.” -Ken Stricklnnd-
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My I’d was hi-jacked again: you know who it is – T.S. Hard at work! LOL! (poor guy).
Anyway, good to see you back @ work on the blog!
All I want to hear about is a: Sale Completed … Don’t want another year of the ASG foolishness. (smh)
Mike C
July 20th, 2011
10:09 am
Finally, another Hawks blog is up.
The only thing I want to hear is that Hawks has been sold to somebody that actually cares(they are very quiet about this, since the impending sale report about a month ago).
@nba-stinks – for the love of……… if you dont like the NBA, then why post on here?
ICECOLD
July 20th, 2011
10:43 am
start teague.. move josh smith to small forward.. leave marvin on the bench.. go from their
Slimjr
July 20th, 2011
11:00 am
Hung out @ Copelands the other day for lunch. My waiter told us that one of the assistant coaches for the Hawks mentioned they were trying to trade Josh before the lock out.
ICECOLD
July 20th, 2011
11:20 am
jeff teague
joe johnson
josh smith
al horford
zaza pachulia
would be a good starting five if no changes are made
Slimjr
July 20th, 2011
11:36 am
42,43,skip,45,46,47…..50 years(5 decades), half of a century and no ECF visits?
What will it take to get this team over the hump?
Sale!Sale! Sale! Then clean house…..Get the broom out asap….Make it so….
Dwayne
July 20th, 2011
11:38 am
I love basketball, love the Hawks, but the ASG LLC(atl. ass clowns)(sucknificant seven)(Liars, Lawsuits and Contempt) will ruin basketball in Atlanta, lets hope they sell quickly.
Dwayne
July 20th, 2011
11:43 am
Josh Smith will take any trade to anywhere, he and Ilya Kovelchuk were good friends, hung out as homies, JS knows the atl.a$$ clowns are useless. I know these things are true, my best friends uncles ex wife’s cousins grandfather over heard the conversation between JS and IK on a elevator at the Westin.
hawksfancents95
July 20th, 2011
11:43 am
im tryn to figure why the ajc shuts this blog down, dont they want the extra traffic goin thru their website? i read at least two stories on their home page before i start to blog, it makes no sense.
back to the hawks, i think this lockout wont come to an end until early 2012. id like to see all NBA fans lockout the first game when it finally occurs, imagine stern thinkin everyone is happy that the nba is gona start again and then only 2-5 thousand people only show up for ever teams first home game. that would be legendary. slap straight to sterns face. he has lost touch with the fact that the nba is for the fans and is more concerned with his owners makin hella-millions instead of mega-millions.
ill make a hawks comment when something happens… tick.. tick tick.. tick tick
Slimjr
July 20th, 2011
11:45 am
Ex hawk
July 19th, 2011
6:00 pm
“Does any body really care? Hawks are losers… Trade Al”
Sorry to see your an ex Hawk fan…..And yes we care a whole bunch!
Trade Allstar-All NBA Al for who?
Ra'mon
July 20th, 2011
11:55 am
Comments like Buddy’s is exactly why they close the blogs, because they don’t have anyone here to filter out senseless and tasteless comments like that one during a lockout.
Mike is Back
July 20th, 2011
12:05 pm
What’s up MC, it’s always a pleasure…seven nationally televised games on ESPN…I REMEMBER…when they use to scuff at US…they probably still do.lol
It appears if the Hawks could finally get their act together…they could garner more exposure for the entire franchise.
On second thought…let’s hold off on the exposure part…until THE SELL OF THE TEAM…is complete.heh heh
What Up To The Blob Crew…PEEEEEEEEEEEACE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ra'mon
July 20th, 2011
1:56 pm
So TNT only has one game of the Hawks until the playoffs? Wow, that’s surprising. At least we don’t have to listen to half times of Kenny saying how much the Hawks suck. Like before he went to Houston, he was on good teams.
drmaryb (*_*)
July 20th, 2011
1:57 pm
Thinking Man
“Justathought” had a thought earlier (sorry, the Bberry malfcn: can’t copy | paste) re: no emails to ticket season ticket holders to tally what time fans prefer the NBA Start Times to begin.
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Well “Justathought” better Think Again!
The NBA start times are determined by the TV contract with the league. These times are standard around the league per time zones the games are played in. TV programming in general are determined down to fractions of seconds to slot revenue streams from commercials to when to take a Hawks TV-Timeout to go:
“Pay some bills!”, as they all like to quirp. LOL!
But, no way do I agree that the ASKG has any say as to when a game will start. Not even a question._
drmaryb (*_*)
July 20th, 2011
2:13 pm
My Buddy!
My buddy can say whatever he likes on a fan’s forum blog.
He’s just expressing his deepest feelings re: the AJC’s refusal to have this blog moderated. Seems like there is some counter programmed into this blog’s (exec. files). It runs a set number of blogs then auto-lock the comments box. Seems like an IT Issue to me. I’m just sayin’.
ryan
July 20th, 2011
2:54 pm
It appears to be a potential buyer of the rights to Phillips Arena and the Atlanta Hawks very fluid situation here .
Grandad
July 20th, 2011
3:00 pm
Mary Ellen
“Seems like an IT Issue to me”
Even so, where in the heck is Michael Cunningham ?
This is his blog ?
Got his picture on it.
You know me . . . . . I don’t kiss nobody’s ass.
If Cunningham ain’t doin’ his job, I’ll call him out.
I suspect that MC sleeps at the wheel.
* editors note:
Michael – If I have wrongly interpreted events,
I shall man up and blazon my contrition
while seeking your atonement.
newkid
July 20th, 2011
3:08 pm
MC, somehow I expected you to break the story on a potential buyer for the Hawks & Philips. How territorial are AJC writers? Is there an agreement amongst you that the sports writers stay away from the business aspects of their best franchises?
newkid
July 20th, 2011
3:09 pm
‘beat’ rather than ‘best’
ryan
July 20th, 2011
3:14 pm
CNN/ SI story seems to be true .
SWAT Native
July 20th, 2011
3:17 pm
I recall responding to a Hawks survey during the season asking when I preferred the Hawks games to start, but I’m not a season ticket holder. Might have been through the Hawks app.
Like newkid, I’m anxious to hear more about the potential new buyer. MC probably doesn’t want to say much until there are more confirmed details, like a real journalist.
ryan
July 20th, 2011
3:21 pm
By By ASG see ya wouldn’t want to be ya .
drmaryb (*_*)
July 20th, 2011
4:21 pm
Breaking News! Ta Daaah!!!
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tlanta Hawks 3:37 p.m. Wednesday, July 20, 2011
No offer, but potential majority buyer in talks for Hawks, Philips Arena
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By Chris Vivlamore and Tim Tucker
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Efforts by the Atlanta Spirit ownership group to sell a majority stake in the Hawks have accelerated since the group’s sale of the Thrashers last month.
People familiar with the process say representatives of a potential buyer are currently doing due diligence –- examining financial records –- as the process moves toward an anticipated offer and more detailed negotiations for the basketball team and Philips Arena operating rights.
people familiar with the situation would not identify the potential bidder because of confidentiality agreements, but they described the process as “moving fast.” They said no offer or exclusive negotiating agreement is in place but that the potential bidder, who might have partners, has the financial wherewithal to complete a transaction.
according to one of the people familiar with the talks, the potential buyer is “pushing very, very hard” and has accountants and lawyers working on the matter.
Typically, the sale of a majority stake in an NBA franchise is a complex, multi-tiered process. The next step after due diligence would be for the parties to reach agreement on the parameters of a deal and sign a letter of intent. At that point, the buyer and seller typically would enter into an exclusive negotiating period — often for 30 to 90 days — to hammer out details of a deal, which then would have to be approved by the NBA.
When the Atlanta Spirit purchased the Hawks, Thrashers and operating rights to Philips Arena in 2004, the process took nine months even after a preliminary agreement was reached. The delay was partly attributable to internal issues within the Spirit group and the need for two leagues’ approval.

could not be reached for comment Wednesday. Gearon is in
is believed the prospective buyer is looking at a majority share of the assets. Current ownership would retain a significant minority stake. Gearon has previously stated his desire to retain his stake.
Thrashers ownership last month refuted a report as “not true” that a sale of the Hawks was imminent, issuing the following statement: “As we have stated for an extended period of time, we engaged an investment banker to assist us in looking for investors for the Atlanta Hawks and Philips Arena operating rights. We have spoken with a number of parties, but at this time, there is no deal in place, nor is there an exclusive negotiating agreement in place. We will have no further comment at this time.”
As the AJC previously has reported, the Hawks’ ownership group, through investment banking firm the Raine Group, has had talks with various potential buyers or investors over the past year.
The latest talks began after an exclusive negotiating period with another prospective purchaser, outgoing San Diego Padres owner John Moores, was ended by mutual agreement on May 20. The end of Moores’ exclusivity reopened the process to other bidders.
According to one of the people familiar with the situation, the potential buyer did not have an interest in the Thrashers, who were sold to True North Sports and Entertainment for $170 million and relocated to Winnipeg. The NHL received $60 million of the purchase price as a relocation fee. That transaction was completed quickly by normal standards as the NHL gave the sides permission to speak about a sale and relocation and there was a narrow timeline to complete a deal for the start of next season.
It is unlikely that the Hawks would be moved, as happened with the Thrashers. The NBA would be unlikely to approve such a move, and in order to move the Hawks a potential owner also would have to pay off the remaining $120 million in bonds on Philips Arena and pay the city of Atlanta and Fulton County a $75 million penalty in addition to the purchase price.
Like the Thrashers, the Hawks lose money. But while the Spirit pegged the Thrashers’ losses at $20 million per year in court documents, the Hawks are losing about $7 million per year, according to Forbes magazine’s annual study of
NBA franchises
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-drmaryb- The Blog Entertainment Reporter
drmaryb (*_*)
July 20th, 2011
4:43 pm
New BLOG Up!
LOL!!! I’m just playing.
Seriously, like I said earlier, “If it ain’t about the Hawks FOR SALE? I don’t know what it is?”
I want the 8 feces throwing Orangutans –
GONE With The Wind! Nary a peep nor sighting of those
people. Not even a crumbs worth them owning 8% collectively.
Aye ASKG! What about “Get the HELL out of Atlanta!” ? – Don’t yawl understand? OK! Get the F outa’ Atlanta!
Is that clearer? Crystal?
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Grand-Daddy! LOL!!!!!
I knew you would never drink the: “perhaps, just maybe, the blog’s black-outs are due to some IT issues – dark brown koolaid?” Not a snowballs chance in hell!
That’s why I LOVE you so much. If you weren’t married already? It would be incest!!! LOL!
.(*_*). -winkie-
Grandad
July 20th, 2011
5:54 pm
Mary Ellen
“Bless your heart”
Grandad
July 20th, 2011
6:04 pm
Mary Ellen
You make an ole man swell up . . . . .
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and pride……………….!
Grandad
July 20th, 2011
6:05 pm
“of course”
Slimjr
July 20th, 2011
6:13 pm
Go figure
July 19th, 2011
5:56 pm
“Does any body really care? How wants to pay to watch a team lead by captain Mediocre Al Horford?
How freaking boring!!!
The press wants to build behind a guy who has begged out of helping the team,by playing a need position. Instead of embracing the position and playing defense he escorts to the basket in hope that he will be placed at power forward. Josh Smith is a better power forward than Captain mediocre.
And Woodson is better than JDrew! The Hawks are getting worse, sells are down and the fans are fleeing.”
Naw Dude, Captain Mediocre” is an ALLNBA-AllSTAR………………..Yawn..
Josh>Allstar Al by miles @ the 4….
Yes fans are fed up with this product and ownership!!
Come on,sale this mother yesterday! 750am WSB radio @ 5:07pm today mentioned “potential sale moving quickly now”….We can only hope so?
Slimjr
July 20th, 2011
6:15 pm
750am WSB radio did also mention that the Hawks would not be moving with this potential sale!
i_am_soulstar
July 20th, 2011
6:39 pm
Hope this sale goes through, we couldn’t do any worse than the Atlanta Spirit Killers.
Slimjr
July 20th, 2011
7:52 pm
You wanna see the the #2 lottery pick Derrick Williams play? The future NBA Allstar… Tonight @ 8pm on CBS SPORTS HD(822 comcast). Replay of the NC2A second round tournament: Arizona vs. Memphis in Tulsa! Observe how he’s already light years more advanced on offense compared to our #3,#4, and #5 on offense!!!
Grandmaster JeJe
July 20th, 2011
8:15 pm
FIRE LD
drmaryb (*_*)
July 20th, 2011
8:20 pm
Some ish I posted on Jeff Schultz blog:
drmaryb .(*_*).
Good Writtens!
I say to all, but none more than the: equivalent of, the 8 feces throwing orangutans, “Good Writtens!”
July 20th, 2011
7:50 pm
Sorry Belkin,Jr, you alone may be villain to the “Grape 8-Apes”, but hey Sir! You are a bed-fellow and like my Mamma always said, “If you lie with dogs – you wake up with fleas.” – mamma (rip)-
So as you know, you are quilty by association. And together, the 8 of you AS-Killer-G people, are killing Me.
I azz is being lit up due to your inept and imbecile ways of managing A/Any sports team, much less a champion. So, if you respect us fans, do us all a massive favor?
LEAVE! Just go away and never come back. Too bad MARTS doesn’t travel beyond the 285 perimeter, you could have really saved a lot of money, comparable to the Dollar Tree – bargin bin’s “2 for $1 savings. (careful .. No pushing Levenson, there’s plenty to go around. (-smirks-)
Like Najeh said, “It’s no that they don’t spend, they just don’t spend wisely.” -Najeh Poop- (paraphrased)
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So good writtens to the Spirit Killer Group! Bye…
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* My azz is being lit up! Due to …
* Too bad MARTA doesn’t travel beyond the 285 perimeter …
July 20th, 2011
7:57 pm
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Briefs!
And one more thing, aye ASG (atl suing group)!
I hope the NBA never sell another franchise to a lawyer.
They are just smart enough to be dangerous, and they all know how to file a: BRIEF.
July 20th, 2011
8:02 pm
How ironic, their is nothing brief about it. You guys sued Steve Belkin for 7 years straight, and what’s worse, you probably still are.
I hear Gilligan’s Island is up for sale. Perhaps. Yawl can buy that.
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USS Minnow!
All Aboard! Just enough room for 8 orangutans.
July 20th, 2011
8:04 pm
Bad Ass
July 20th, 2011
8:38 pm
I would trade Al (mediocre) for cap room and for upgraded the bench and get future draft picks. Josh is a much better 4 than Al and give us better defense offense at the 4 than Al.
Al wont ever be the center we need because his heart is not in it, nor is he the defensive or offensive threat from the 4 as Smoove.
So yes, I trade Al. Hes too great a defensive liability and only marginal offensively.
Obviously the press likes horford but the fans realize hes just an average player. At the end of the day…. the fans make the turnstiles turn.
Id trade Al.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 20th, 2011
9:05 pm
FIRE STOTTS
Melvin
July 20th, 2011
9:57 pm
Get the ASG and Rick Sund out of here this summer…
Hoops
July 20th, 2011
10:24 pm
If the Hawks are sold this summer, I predict these things to happen:
1. Rick Sund will continue to be the GM.
2. Josh Smith will not be traded this season. Maybe next season.
3. The Hawks will pursue Nene.
4. Marvin Williams will be traded before the trade deadline.
I would like this starting lineup:
PG-Teague
SG-JJ
SF-Josh
PF-Al
C-Nene
Bench-Zaza, Benson, Hinrich, Wilkins, Sy, Rolle, PG?, Marvin’s trade
SteveW
July 20th, 2011
10:50 pm
The 3 Josh trades that have been reported as being feasible the last couple of weeks, mostly on Bleacher Report, but 1 on an Orlando site that says the talks are totally legit, have left me cold. They are:
Josh and Hinrich for Bynum and Artest. Artest is fading and Bynum is hurt all the time.
Josh and Hinrich for Gasol – Speaking of fading, Gasol is going downhill fast. Wouldn’t touch that with a 10 foot pole.
Josh for Reddick, Anderson, and Orton. Reddick is a career backup. Anderson stunk in the playoffs. And I’ve Orton has some severe health issues. Bad deal.
If we trade Josh, I hope somebody gives us value for him.
SteveW
July 20th, 2011
10:54 pm
And I agree with O’Brien – about 14 blogs ago – Any team going into a season hoping Kito Benson, Magnum Rolle, Pape Sy, and Jeremy Hazell (it was David Lighty at the time) are going to help them is not a very good team.
Now I like all 4 of those guys, throw in Samhan and Joe Alexander also, but none of those guys are more than career backups, and I don’t mean elite backups either. I mean 10-15 minutes per night if you are fortunate backups.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 20th, 2011
10:55 pm
In positive news, looks like the DASG is reading my posts on this blog. (OK, maybe not.)
The 82-game schedule the Hawks released Tuesday includes 7:30 p.m. starts for weekday home games. The Hawks had started weekday games at 7 p.m. since the 2005-06 season to make it easier for fans already downtown before the games.
Now the team moved the start times to accommodate those spectators who have to travel to games from outside the downtown area. Weekend games will start at 7 p.m., with the exception of a 2 p.m. game against Charlotte on Dec. 4.
About damn time.
SteveW
July 20th, 2011
11:01 pm
The other trade that was proposed was a S/T with Dallas: Chandler and Beaubois for Josh. That’s the best deal I’ve seen so far.
But really the only reason I would trade Josh is: If we think he’s following Dwight to someplace other than ATL in free agency. Might as well get something for him.
Or we are concerned he’s due for a knee injury due to his high flying, and putting on some weight up top. Other than that, keep Josh.
On another site, they had the 50 best players in the NBA. Josh was #43, JJ #33, and Al #30. And with Teague, Hinrich, ZaZa, and Marvin, and maybe Collins and Wilkens behind them, that’s not bad.
We may need another Coach however.
SteveW
July 20th, 2011
11:13 pm
Maybe we’re getting Kito Benson and Magnum Rolle to be the Javale McGee stopper. Anybody else remember that March 2010 game where McGee had like 8 dunks, mostly on ZaZa? He made us look stupid that night. He just skyed over all our guys, and we looked unable to stop him.
jlewis
July 21st, 2011
12:06 am
Al better than JJ, that site is on dope.
doc
July 21st, 2011
12:07 am
rofl @dmb @4:33
man now going on 2 days of a blog.
go askg, out the door. minority my foot, as they were a minority that took over in a bad way. could we hope this turns out in good way?
Bad Ass
July 21st, 2011
12:29 am
Somebody tell mike cunningham this aint a top 5 team conference. Its the top 3 teams have a shot and every body else is an also ran. The hawks were not serious contenders this year, what team was he watching. Ill take Woodson hawks over Drew’s. This team took major steps backward and it pleased the AJC writers. We had more talent than Chicago and got beat by them. We lost more games and won less. Teams dogged us under the basket and attendance at the Phillips was noticeably down. What season did you follow. Top 5 team? Might as well be a Top 7 or top 8 team.
This sports page and basketball team is a joke.
Geez
Slimjr
July 21st, 2011
12:33 am
jlewis
July 21st, 2011
12:06 am
“Al better than JJ, that site is on dope.”
HUGH??
ALL NBA AL is considered the 30th best player in the League today…WTF???? lol
Must be Stevie Wonder’s list?
Bad Ass
July 21st, 2011
12:35 am
Great post SlimJr. Freaking Al sucks. Can we get howard to play with his buddy Josh?
I sure hope the new owners have enough basketball sense to trade captain mediocre aka captain average Aka Al let me escort you to the basket get my 6′10″ azz out of the paint, I wont show up in the playoff coz Im a scrubazz Horford.
Al Horford
July 21st, 2011
12:37 am
I dont like to play defense. I dont wanna. Hey give me the ball and watch my dirk impression…..
Slimjr
July 21st, 2011
12:38 am
All NBA AL for Tyson and Marion yesterday!! Make it so..Throw in a pick or two also…
Mike is Back
July 21st, 2011
12:38 am
SteveW, you mean 50 best like…remember Nigue didn’t make the first top 50 PLAYERS…please don’t get this crap about Al and Josh…started again.
When u see NBA highlight commercials or playoff commercial…pre-lockout…who is the one player from the Hawks…you always sees…let me give you hint…it ain’t JJ and Al…dang I guess it’s a coincident that it’s always Josh…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…oh my bad…that’s the guy we want to get rid OF…WHAT DO THOSE NBA marketing GUYS know anyway…again hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Al Horford
July 21st, 2011
12:42 am
If Al is still here next year I predict there will be even less fans in attendance than this year, a down year. The sports writers my put Al on the All Stevie Wonder team by the fans wont. Al Sucks.
Bad Ass
July 21st, 2011
12:44 am
Josh is A player and has more commercials than anyone on the team.
Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2011
3:18 am
The first thing the new owners need to do is……
FIRE SUND
SteveW
July 21st, 2011
4:05 am
Slim – Not my list, I think I saw it on Bleacher Report, but I’m sure you could google it.
My point had nothing to do with Al and Josh. It had to do that we according to this guy, who had some good points about the Top 50, is he says we have 3 of the top 43 players in the League.
That’s not a bad thing.
Don’t get me in the Al/Josh thing, I’m a Hawks fan, I like them both
Buddy Grizzard
July 21st, 2011
7:24 am
“The other trade that was proposed was a S/T with Dallas: Chandler and Beaubois for Josh. That’s the best deal I’ve seen so far.” – SteveW
Best proposal I’ve seen as well.
“We may need another Coach however.”
Ya think?
Spudd Webb
July 21st, 2011
7:33 am
The second thing the owners need to do is trade Al horford and a pick for Dwight Howard and pair him with Josh in the front court. This would be a world class low post featuring the two best defenders in the league at their positions and it get rid of the lazy big mouth give me the ball Al, valet service to the rim Horford.
Doc Rivers
July 21st, 2011
7:36 am
The third thing the hawks need to do if fire Drew.
fire sund
trade Al and a pick for Howard, pairing him with Smoove in the front court (the nba best and sure to the finals)
fire Drew and bring Back Mike Woodson.
That will turn the hawks around and maybe the fans will think about coming back.
Doc Rivers
July 21st, 2011
7:41 am
that all NBA garbage is some chit the press conjured up. If Al at 13pts agm and 9 rebounds and no defense is All NBA what does that say about the nba? you cant fool the fans…. check the ballot box for the FANS allstar and check the turn styles…
Have you seen the most recent JSmoove commercial? Ive never seen one from the gateway to the rim Al horford.
brigadierjerry
July 21st, 2011
9:15 am
Will the Hawks be doing the following for the ticket holders if games are missed?
If Knicks season-ticket holders are also locked out of the Garden in November, they at least will receive refunds — with an interest rate better than standard savings accounts.
The Post has obtained a letter sent to Knicks season-ticket holders on July 1 which specifies any cancelled games will be refunded with interest on a monthly basis.
According to a person with knowledge of the situation, the lockout interest rate is 1 percent, with calculations beginning Oct. 1. Each letter sent out was personalized.
The letter read, in part, “If any 2011-12 preseason or regular season games are cancelled due to a work stoppage, all Season Subscribers will have the option of receiving a refund with interest on a monthly basis, or have money left on account with interest. More specific details about refunds or credits will be shared at the appropriate time.”
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2011
9:18 am
HOOPS-I read an article last month about this yrs FA’s, and it said Nene wanted to moved to PF because he felt it was his more NATURAL POSITION. Does that sound familiar?
Geemack
July 21st, 2011
10:56 am
The Hawks traded Dominique in 1994, and was horrible from 99 to 08, and they still have brought in a superstar to lead this team to a championship. Atlanta is a city that needs a superstar to keep the fans interested.
Astro Joe
July 21st, 2011
11:12 am
Funny how every tall and skinny player is projected to be the next Marcus Camby, Tyson Chandler or Javale McGee. Anyone ever think that Rolle or Benson might simply be the next Solomon Jones or Mikki Moore?
Geemack
July 21st, 2011
11:44 am
The Hawks need a star. 40 plus years and not 1 NBA finals. Atlanta Needs a Star.
Geemack
July 21st, 2011
11:46 am
Since 1980 the Lakers have been to the finals 16 times.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
July 21st, 2011
11:48 am
Fire Lon Krugrer!!!!
Rusty
July 21st, 2011
11:56 am
Let’s face it, the hawks will do nothing under hopeless Larry drew
Slimjr
July 21st, 2011
12:20 pm
Geemack
July 21st, 2011
11:46 am
“Since 1980 the Lakers have been to the finals 16 times”
Amazing!!!!!
Since 1980 the Hawks have been to the ECF 0 times!!! The Finals? How bout NEVER??
Amazing???
One of the most sorriest Franchises in the History of sports!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
July 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
Keep up the Great work the “god father/ Chief Gangster himself”! Your plan is working to keep the ATL from ever winning a championship….Coming up on 50 yrs real soon…….. Yawn…..
Slimjr
July 21st, 2011
12:30 pm
Ask yourself this Hawks fans. Which player would be easier to replace, Josh or ALL NBA AL?
One has got to go.. The pair will not take you to the promised land…Sorry..
Ra'mon
July 21st, 2011
1:01 pm
Slim, on offense Rip Hamilton can replace Al. All he does is shoot a jumper, lol.
Sick of It
July 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
More big sports labor strife! Who cares? These guys make millions and we keep having labor issues. What about the guy who works for $10 an hour all his life?
Tim
July 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
1. Trade Joe Johnson for Dwight Howard.
2. Make Al Horford a POWER FORWARD all the time.
3. Crawford should start in Joe Johnson’s spot.
4. Run Jeff Teague as starting point guard.
5. Let Williams, Collins, Heinrich, Wilkins, and etc. come off the bench.
The Hawks go to the Playoffs every year. They need to work with what they have. BUILD YOUR PLAYERS ATLANTA!! There is no such thing as a quick fix to get a ring!
Centers R Power Forwards
July 21st, 2011
2:46 pm
“HOOPS-I read an article last month about this yrs FA’s, and it said Nene wanted to moved to PF because he felt it was his more NATURAL POSITION. Does that sound familiar?”
Nene can’t play defense and has Hilton Armstrong’s physical tools according to draftexpress…
Every player wants to move to PF because they think it will be easier to get more shots.
Horfords usage rate actually went down in the playoffs. When we first drafted him we needed a PF and C a defensive rebounder and a shooter (PF).
He turns out to be a rebounding shooter with no defense and only free throw range. Thats why we keep going after 3 point rangers like Mike Bibby’s and Jamal Crawfords
Funny thing about Nene is after Nuggets had Camby and he left Nene said center was his natural position LMAO
Horford and Nene are the same weak defensive players. Trade Al for a stretch four, and let Jamal go.
Joe and Josh are big post up wings? fine they can work the baseline unlike Al and Crawford. Put Teague to lead them on the break and get the bigs to replace Al’s 2 free throw attempts per game.
Al is a 5
July 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
“Al Horford a POWER FORWARD”
Since when does being 6′9 and having one post move make you a power forward let alone an all star?
One post move?
Amare Stoudemire played center all year.
Josh Smith has no jump shot and was similarly undersized and averaged 17 points.
Carmelo would not average simply 16 points as a power forward.
For his career Yi Jianlian is as likely to shoot a shot as Al Horford.
Al Horford is not a volume shooter I dont care where you put him at. Being 6′9 – 6′10 you have to have dribbling moves or finesse to score down low
bigdave
July 21st, 2011
4:42 pm
wouldnt mind seeing James Jones in a hawk uniform this season..
we need specialists..
Rondo
July 21st, 2011
4:55 pm
James Jones = Specialist WOW
Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2011
5:31 pm
The Hawks ain’t been the same since they got rid of Mutombo. We need someone that can block shots. We need someone that will make folks think twice about driving to the basket. When folks see Horford its like an open invitation to the hole. Like a chick down in Rio opening her legs.
FIRE SUND
Najeh Davenpoop
July 21st, 2011
5:31 pm
I was wearing my 2008 Hawks Shock The World playoffs T-shirt yesterday when I walked up to the cash register at some store and the cashier made fun of me for being a Hawks fan.
FIRE SUND
Najeh Davenpoop
July 21st, 2011
5:31 pm
Sorry Clyde, didn’t mean to steal your FIRE SUND thunder. Your post wasn’t up when I hit submit.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 21st, 2011
5:35 pm
Woody is about to get passed over for the Detroit Pistons job.
Habib Patel
July 21st, 2011
5:43 pm
Najeh it wasn’t the t-shirt i was laughing at it was your coke bottle glasses and your saggy pants i was laughing at! And oh i forgot my friend that lotto sctratch i told you was not a winner guess what it was Thanks my friend!
vignuts/checkemout
July 21st, 2011
5:47 pm
Its easy to move LOL-(all Mediocre all average Al.) If there is some one other than the press who thinks this guy is all any thing but a joke, trade him and see if we can get some cap room and a draft pick or may Dwight and we give the all average Al plus a pick. Josh is one of if not the best defender at the 4. We dont need him on the wing at the 3 to accommodate All Mediocre Al’s average play at the 4.
Woodson is a better fit for the hawks than Drew.
Grandad
July 21st, 2011
6:00 pm
3 points:
1. Woody is a candidate for the Minn.Timber job.
[seems a fit]
2. Trade proposals which include a “sign & trade”
are fruitless until the new labor agreement due to
the possibility “S & T s” may not be included
in the new CBA.
3. For Astro Joe & others;
JaVale McGee, although loaded with potential,
has not yet shown he’s an above avg producer !
Highlight -reel- “stuff ” with no -real- substance !
*note:
McGee – got all excited about his triple / double……………
(yet, he didn’t seem to notice that his team lost the game)
Can you feel it?
July 21st, 2011
6:19 pm
“Habib Patel
July 21st, 2011
5:43 pm
“Najeh it wasn’t the t-shirt i was laughing at it was your coke bottle glasses and your saggy pants i was laughing at! And oh i forgot my friend that lotto sctratch i told you was not a winner guess what it was Thanks my friend!”
Oh Chit DAMIEN!
Can you feel it?
July 21st, 2011
6:22 pm
“One post move?”
what post move??
Fred G Sanford.
July 21st, 2011
7:21 pm
We wouldnt allow Al Horford in watts. Hes too feminine any way. Soft and sweet, like a biitch. Why would any body want to build around his soft ass.? This aint san francisco.
KevinM
July 21st, 2011
9:15 pm
Woody deserves another shot, and he might get it this year.
If Al is ranked 30, that means he has more value than Josh, so I say move him while he is at this level.
Whatever it takes, get Josh off the perimeter af back down low.
A Marvin trade is as likely as a Joe trade…we are stuck with both.
New ownership is about the only hope we can accomplish this offseason. We will have another GM-excuse laden offseason if we ever get moving forward again.
Grandmaster JeJe
July 21st, 2011
10:41 pm
FIRE RICK SUND
Slimjr
July 21st, 2011
11:15 pm
“When folks see Horford its like an open invitation to the hole. Like a chick down in Rio opening her legs.”
Dang WorldWide!! That quote is on fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol…
Slimjr
July 21st, 2011
11:22 pm
“If Al is ranked 30, that means he has more value than Josh, so I say move him while he is at this level.”
@KevinM, your a Genius!! Your thinking outside the “box”.. Al can make more of an impact for the Hawks advancing forward via a trade for a couple of quality players and picks!!
All NBA AL for Tyson and Marion..Now you have a 5 and 3 who can do some work!
Live free or die
July 21st, 2011
11:27 pm
`
Boycott Phillips Arena.
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Buddy Grizzard
July 21st, 2011
11:34 pm
Per HoopsHype, Hawks players union rep Etan Thomas is looking into an offer to play in Spain because “He doesn’t see the lockout ending this season,” according to his agent.
http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/sierra/2011/07/21/thomas-looking-at-spanish-offer/
Slimjr
July 21st, 2011
11:50 pm
word on the street, Kobe is looking into playing in the back court with DWILL in Turkey!!
Ra'mon
July 21st, 2011
11:55 pm
Slimjr, that trade, Al for Tyson and Marion, would make the Hawks scary on defense! But that would also take you out of the running for Dwight Howard, because you would then have a C locked up for 4 seasons.
I’m still a huge fan of using Horford to get Chris Paul this year. Sign Dalembert for a 2-3 year deal if he’ll accept mid level. And keep Joe Johnson to use for a sign and trade next year for Dwight Howard!
Worldwide Clyde
July 22nd, 2011
12:31 am
JEJE FOR 2011 HAWKS BLOGGER OF THE YEAR
I can’t wait for the new owners to step in.
Grandad
July 22nd, 2011
2:38 am
For the life of me;
I do not get it, you guys ragging on Al the way you do ?
It perplexes me.
Look, I’m on the record – right now – I am an Al Horford backer.
The same for Josh.
*note:
If I make a trade proposal for Josh…I don’t rip him.
[Now Joe - different story - but he's still one of ours]
* (and bless his heart so is Marv)
But the bitterness, spite, and asperity toward Al
is disproportionate to anything the young man has done or said.
I rest my case.
Fred G Sanford.
July 22nd, 2011
3:14 am
Ra’mon Al has run his mouth so much to the press always complaining about how he thinks the other players need to play defense when Al is the weakest defender who constantly refuses to play strong from the center position in order to force josh to the perimeter so he can play the powerforward. Forcing josh to the perimeter to shoot bombs so Al can play power forward is just selfishness on Al behalf. The hawks are a much better team with Josh at power forward than Al. 6′ 10″ Al should have accepted the teams call for him to play center, beefed up and got stronger. But instead he whines and refuses to play defense so he can force the team to move him to powerforward by not ‘playing defense at center.
Hes always begging for the ball but hes a career 12.8pts/9rbs captain average. The fans have never ever never voted all for an all anything but All average. Hes either a coach’s pick or a press favorite but the bottom line is he is a clog in the hawks front court and he forces Josh out of position and weakens the hawks.
If you think the press is fooling the hawks fans check the turnstyles over the last few years as we continue to demand that the Hawks get a “real center” as even Al has said.
The dude is to soft to be a leader on the court. Hes more like being brought along on the ride.
Trade Al for cap room or for Howard, while at least the press thinks he has some value.
Grandad
July 22nd, 2011
3:47 am
Hatter:
Don’t raise too much ruckus;
they shut the blog down now
for no reason other than…….
“nobody wants to fool with it”
I hope all is well !
Be sure to assume one’s ethereal guise to obfuscate
any discernment of the “hat trick” blogiversal ubiquity.
“Prayer is asking for rain; faith is carrying the umbrella”
terrell
July 22nd, 2011
5:53 am
Marvin, take yo azz over seas. lol.
Ken Strickland
July 22nd, 2011
8:52 am
GRANDAD-The Al Horford bashing is basically one attention craving clown posting under multiple names espousing the same stupid BS over and over. If you’ve read one of his/her/it’s posts, you’ve read them all, so just do like I do and scroll past. He basically says a lot, but has very little to say that’s based on anything intelligent or meaningful.
drmaryb (*_*)
July 22nd, 2011
8:54 am
My Buddy!
Or, perhaps, Etan is looking to play in Spain because, the women are beautiful and he knows HE will be locked out of the NBA indefinitely. If you can’t get PT in Atlanta? You can’t get PT anywhere! LOL! Its a wrap for Etan.
_________________
Worldwide Clyde! What’s up baby boy? You ready for some new owners? Word. We’re all tired of firing the ASKG, that is the equivalent of shooting a dead horse a million times dead. LOL!
______________
Grand-Daddy! What’s up honey? Do your thang. (*_*)
drmaryb.(*_*).
July 22nd, 2011
9:02 am
Scroll the Troll!
Hey Ken Strickland baby!
Amen bruh, if the troll is the problem? The scroll is the cure. I for one, am all in. .(*_*).
drmaryb.(*_*).
July 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
Think Again!
But, no way do I agree that the ASKG has any say as to when a game will start. Not even a question. -drmaryb-
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My sincere apologies to “Just-A-Thought” re: Hawks games start times. Based on what Najeh posted on here? I stand corrected. The ASKG apparently does have administrative controls as to the start times of Hawks games.
Geemack
July 22nd, 2011
11:12 am
The Hawks could make a huge offseason change, and not trade a single player. Hire Ronnie Lester as their next GM. The guy spent 24 years in the Lakers organization. He was Mitch Kupchak assistant GM. That also means he’s spent some time with Jerry West. If you want become a champion you have to bring in champions, and that guy has at least 5 rings.
hawksfancents95
July 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm
hawks to-do list
1. asg needs to sell to a majority owner who perferably is younger and entusiatic.
2. release larry drew and sign a veteran coach who has been in the league a while and has a good track record (rick adelman maybe jerry sloan would want to try atl for 3-5 years) if we signed either of them id say our chances we make ecf in next 3 years is guarenteed
3. trade marvin williams, i dont care for who id even give up a 2nd rd so someone would consider it. i am so tired of #24 and seeing a #2 overall pic continue to be a bust.
4. get a new GM. i think sund is better than most of you say he is but he still is very expendable. i dont know any prodigys to throw out but really anyone from a good franchise would make me happy
5. trade al horford while his value is still high. i wouldnt mind keeping al but i think with al as our third best player we are stuck with a double-edged sword, one end we will continue to make the playoffs and al will continue to get acculades at C, but on the other end we prob wont make the ecf with a 6′9 C and we cant beat the upper escholon teams
with all this said i still love the hawks and im glad these are our problems instead of back in the early 2000s when we couldnt even compete on a night to night basis.
Turnstyle
July 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
At lest the guys on this blog have a clue. If the hawks are going to get this turned around and headed in the right direction Al has to go. Josh is a better 4 than Al. The press seems to like average Al and has made him our best trade bait to bring Howard and Josh together with JJ to go after a championship.. I also agree hawksfancents95 you will never win with
Al Horford in your front court. I dont understand how he can whine and complain about playing center and doesnt care that his whining forces one of the leagues best powerforward off his game and out of position to accommodate his slothfulness. Al’s selfishness has the whole team disgruntled and playing selfish. Al is not only average, but he is poisonous to the teams camaraderie
Let him be average Al in Orlando. We need defensive players. Lets get Jsmoove back to the front court where he belongs.
Slimjr
July 22nd, 2011
3:21 pm
“I’m still a huge fan of using Horford to get Chris Paul this year. Sign Dalembert for a 2-3 year deal if he’ll accept mid level. And keep Joe Johnson to use for a sign and trade next year for Dwight Howard!”
@Ra’mon, if the new ownership could pull something like that off..You Sir are looking @ several Championship runs! What a change that would be in this town…Si! Si!
Ra'mon
July 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm
Slimjr, I don’t know if it would lead to championships, but I know it would DEFINITELY send a message that the Hawks are TRYING to win championships, not settling for 2nd round. I believe the Hornets KNOW they can’t re-sign Paul, and will attempt to deal him. And they would prefer to deal him for Horford (and Kirk short deal) than to deal him to the Lakers. Its a fact that D12 wants to play with Josh. If Chris Paul was in a Hawks uniform, I’m sure that would only lure Howard even more. With Paul and D12 you have the two positions that Miami will not be able to compete with. And you put Chicago in a position where their hands will be tied when playing the Hawks. And you still have Jeff Teague coming off of the bench, and logging major minutes (to preserve Paul for the post season).
Slimjr
July 22nd, 2011
5:58 pm
Yes, ISO and All NBA would be a distant memory with D12 and Paul playing next to Josh! Phillips would pack em in every night!!!! LOL he,he……What a plan.. Engage, Make it so! Aye Captain…..
Fire Sund!!
Slimjr
July 22nd, 2011
6:08 pm
“At lest the guys on this blog have a clue”..99.9% .01%? Oh well…….Yawn… scroll…
@Turnstyle
This is a great group of bloggers!! Keep the blog alive Mr. MC… Will ya??
Ken Strickland
July 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
CPaul is a very talented and exciting player. However, since being drafted by the Hornets 6yrs ago, he’s led his team to only 3 winning seasons. AHorford has been a Hawk for 4yrs, and we’ve made the playoffs each of those 4yrs, as well as 3 consecutive trips to the Eastern Conference semifinals.
CPaul has reached his peak and is as good as he’s going to get. And with his knee issues, he just might end up regressing a lot sooner than anyone would like. AHorford has improved each yr he’s been in the NBA, and is a current Allstar and All NBA CENTER that has yet to reach his max potential.
Only a damned fool would consider an NBA team that’s made the playoffs 4 consecutive yrs, ranked as high as 3rd in the conference, and advanced to the Eastern Conference semifinals 3 consecutive yrs, losers. Only a damned fool would suggest a team with rebounding issues trade it’s center and leading rebounder for a fragile PG who has yet to demonstrate he can carry a team and win consistently.
Mike is back
July 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm
AJ, I’m a say Rolle and Benson gon give us more…if they get the opportunity. I don’t know much about Rolle…but he has been getting some endorsements from some BIG DAWGS I respect on the blog…so I gotta think he can play. Benson, talent wise…is farther a lone…then both the aforementioned guys. However, it want matter if they don’t get a chance to play.
We need to do a better job of creating opportunities in the DLeague…so these young guys can continue to develop…while they are waiting for an opportunity…to contribute on the NBA level. It not acceptable to continue to let these guys rot on the bench for an entire season…when you know you are not going to play them…HAVE a backup plan to develop your young talent.
There has to be more commitment to developing the talent you have.
Man, some you guys that continue to hurl insults at Al…will eat some crow. The point is not that AL is not deserving…JUST we don’t need to get pimped for Josh…CUZ that’s what going to happen.
Absent a trade for D12…YOU GOING to need Josh shot blocking…who ever else you get…so that Dallas deal…ain’t a slam dunk.
When you consider the type of injuries AL was dealing with…YEAH…I’d say AL is going is shove some crow down a few people throat…when ever the lockout is over.
The article said the Hawks sell is on the fast track…it will be interesting to hear what the incoming investor’s perspective on the team is…in fact they may have already voice their opinion to ASG…who knows…THAT WHATZUP!!!
Slimjr
July 22nd, 2011
7:04 pm
75.5hrs and still up running? Impressive Mr. MC!
The Real Mandingo
July 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
Message to Marvin Williams:
Since Sancho Lyttle is injured and Angel McCoughtry desperately needs a backup, please have your agent schedule a tryout with the Atlanta Dream. If you perform well in your tryout, the Dream could sign you to a couple of 10-day contracts before signing you for the remainder of the WNBA season. The Dream needs a role player who can come off the bench and provide energy, defense, hustle, rebounding, and light scoring.
Pros for Marvin Williams playing for the Dream:
1. Marivin is better suited and fit for a reserve role; less pressure as a starter.
2. Marvin will be paid more commensurate with his ability, talent, skill set and potential.
3. Marvin could possibly flourish with a fresh start, new role and new identity.
4. The proximity is perfect; Marvin would not have to move or relocate.
5. Marvin can say “I’m taking my talents to the WNBA.”
Cons for Marvin Williams playing with the Dream:
Let’s not kid ourselves; this is a total win-win for Marvin Williams, however, he could potentially have problems with the “gender issue.”
The Real Mandingo
July 22nd, 2011
8:46 pm
Just kidding Marvin Williams.
Trade Sy+Horford TPE PF, Donatas backup PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet backup SF,Malcolm Thomas
July 22nd, 2011
9:59 pm
lmfao I love this blog!
Ken Strickland dont kid yourself. I would never say put Josh Smith at the 4.
Josh Smith grabs 15% of all rebounds. Jordan Hill grabbed 17.6 in Houston his rookie season.
Any motivated 6′10 reasonable athlete > Josh Smith on the boards.
Oh yeah All Media Al grabbed 16% of all boards, Zaza? 16.1%.
, working on a counter move lmao. Semantics
keep trying to make excuses man.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
July 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm
“Let him be average Al in Orlando. We need defensive players. Lets get Jsmoove back to the front court where he belongs.”
small forward is the frontcourt, ever heard of James Worthy? Julius Erving? Bernard King?
smdh. Trade AL
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
July 22nd, 2011
10:34 pm
“AHorford has been a Hawk for 4yrs and we’ve made the playoffs each of those 4yrs, as well as 3 consecutive trips to the Eastern Conference semifinals.”
umm Josh Smith + Joe Johnson+ {rebounder = playoffs?}
“AHorford has improved each yr he’s been in the NBA, and is a current Allstar and All NBA CENTER that has yet to reach his max potential.”
Al Horford Playoffs
Season PTS TRB AST
2007-08 12.6 10.4 3.6
2008-09 6.9 5.8 2.0
2009-10 14.6 9.0 1.8
2010-11 11.3 9.6 3.5
smh
Nobody’s saying those numbers are bad, but they’re clear on one point. Against the great teams in the NBA, Horford’s only good. It’s not like choosing Noah over Al means shortchanging a young Tim Duncan. Meanwhile, here’s Noah’s playoff numbers in the playoffs:
12 games, 51.9% fg, 12.1 ppg, 13.1 reb
Who would YOU want?
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to Twitter…
sad
July 22nd, 2011
10:49 pm
Al was injured?
Al Horford Playoffs
Season PTS TRB AST
2007-08 12.6 10.4 3.6
2008-09 6.9 5.8 2.0
2009-10 14.6 9.0 1.8
2010-11 11.3 9.6 3.5
Every season he gets injured.He’s a passer, he aint Carmelo, he aint Amare, he aint Josh Smith
hes a wanna be Amare Stoudemire. What a punk always screaming at smaller players but never bigger ones he cant score on
Felix
July 22nd, 2011
11:42 pm
Observations:
Smoove: could have a huge impact on the league — but he has severe attitude problems and seemingly cannot be convinced to focus on areas where he can maximize his potential. Unlike many superstars — he works to improve parts of his game, but it canabalizes the others.
Horford: Just simply not talented enough to be a real game-changer. A great role player, but nothing more.
Teague: Anyone who watched this team play all year should understand that Teague should start and play the majority of minutes at point. The team was night/day better with Teague running the point. He proved himself beyond the shadow of any doubt in the playoffs. Any talk of splitting minutes or allowing Hinnrich to start is absurd.
Marvin: Rebound, Marvin! Ten-plus per game. You CAN do this. And you won’t make a fool of yourself in the process like you do attempting to penetrate and landing on your ass every other time. Just focus on rebounding.
Joe: Overpaid — but so is every NBA player.
Damien: A worthwhile player to have coming off the bench. Very few weaknesses.
LD: Utterly a horrible coach. Just plain unbelievably horrible. How could he not be fired after the home blowout after home blowou debacle (hint: see below)? He consistently said one thing and did another. Over and over. His offense never materialized and that was the sole reason he was hired in the first place.
Ownership: A freaking joke. Co-leaders has never worked in any arena that I have knowlege of. Much less 6 (or however many members the ASG has). A total fiasco from the moment of it’s conception.
Ra'mon
July 23rd, 2011
12:18 am
KenS, if you’re saying you would rather have Horford instead of Chris Paul, I assure you, only you and Tito Horford would share that opinion. Horford is an ‘all nba center’. But the problem is Horford doesn’t want to play center. Horford isn’t an all-star forward, and wouldn’t be. Chris Paul is the 2nd best PG in the league, and if you include defense, he’s the first.
You say the Hawks have been in the playoffs each year Horford has been there. But you fail to point out the season before Horford came, the Hawks were only 2 games out of 8th place when Joe went down with a season ending injury.
Also, when the playoffs start, Horford disappears for the last 4 seasons. Chris Paul not only shows up more in the playoffs, he LEADS. You’re not trading your best rebounder for a gimpy pg. You’re trading a player who only gives you 15/9 for a player that gives you 19/10 assists/ 4 reb (.1 more than Joe Johnson)/2 steals and LEADS your team. And saying he’s injured, that injured player averaged 36 min a game last season while playing in 80 regular season games.
Also, away from the court, have you seen the outreach programs that Chris Paul has done in New Orleans? Imagine what he could do here in Atlanta?
Who do you think fans would rather see, Al ‘14 foot jumper’ Horford or Chris ‘NBA Ambassador’ Paul?
marvin?
July 23rd, 2011
12:47 am
Enter your comments here
Ken Strickland
July 23rd, 2011
1:22 am
RA’MON-Why keep making an issue of AHorford’s preference for playing PF when, despite those claims, he’s done well enough at C to be voted the NBA’s 3RD BEST CENTER BY HIS PEERS? Wouldn’t that make him better than all other NBA centers who like playing center, according to his peers? Now there is a fool who, under numerous names, tries very hard to make that out to be a negative, but we are talking about a complete fool.
Despite your fondness for CPaul, his abilities won’t do a doggone thing towards improving our rebounding and interior DEF, much like it hasn’t done much for the Hornets so far. And you act like Horford has done absolutely nothing within the community. You’re rather biased when it comes to Horford vs Paul.
Winning teams often have star players, but it’s interior players like Horford that makes it all work. Keep in mind that CPaul has had Centers TChandler and Okafor, and he still hasn’t been able to win consistently. You seem to be star struck, which means you seem more interesed in the individual player than the team.
What did you say...
July 23rd, 2011
1:31 am
OK the consensus is rather obvious. All/average/Al is a press favorite but a hawk weakness. Fans laugh to call Al all anything but All feminine.
Al Horford Playoffs
“Season PTS TRB AST
2007-08 12.6 10.4 3.6
2008-09 6.9 5.8 2.0
2009-10 14.6 9.0 1.8
2010-11 11.3 9.6 3.5″
Wait to this season. Al is always telling other people to play defense be he wont, yet he wants the ball….whats his career average? 12pts a game? how in the hell is that an all star? The only thing Al does for the hawks is break down the chemistry and force the best power forward on the team and one of the best in the NBA to the perimeter to shoot bombs. GET JOSH back in the paint where he is a dominate player.
Trade Al and a pick for Howard and or Chris Paul. Either move would be a step up and The Howard move would put us back in contention for title. To hell with selfishass horford.
What did you say...
July 23rd, 2011
1:36 am
Larry Drew has been with the hawks every year that theyve made the playoffs…. Dominic has been an announcer every year that the hawks made the play offs. There was a politician some where in america every year the hawks made the play offs. I had season tickets every year the hawks made the play offs.
Just because disappearing in the playoffs Al was on the team doesnt mean anything. Hes done nothing but whine and complain and force the other players to compensate for his charmin soft bitchin.
trade Al while he has some market value.
Grandad
July 23rd, 2011
1:48 am
Ra’mon
Hold on there young fella.
” KenS, if you’re saying you would rather have Horford
instead of Chris Paul, I assure you,
only you and Tito Horford would share that opinion ”
Ra’mon;
I woulkd have to think long and hard myself,
for the exact same reasons Ken S pointed out.
* Think about Brandon Roy – 2 yrs ago:
Would you have traded Joe for Roy ?…..perhaps ?
If you start talking about Paul –
you must take into consideration [those / that] knees or knee.
Besides – Nola would not give up Paul for Al straight up.
You would have to give Al, Teaguer, & a # 1.
* I surely would -NOT- do that !
Buddy Grizzard
July 23rd, 2011
6:16 am
Via Twitter, Zaza did not reach a contract agreement and will not play with Besiktas, the Turkish team that signed dwill.
Slimjr
July 23rd, 2011
7:34 am
“Horford: Just simply not talented enough to be a real game-changer. A great role player, but nothing more.” BINGO!
Even a “Fools Fool” can can under that? Comprende?
Must be tough to look in that mirror everyday and claim that your smarter than everybody else……
Slimjr
July 23rd, 2011
7:58 am
Ra’mon, for GM 2012…
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
9:31 am
“Marvin: Rebound, Marvin! Ten-plus per game. You CAN do this. And you won’t make a fool of yourself in the process like you do attempting to penetrate and landing on your ass every other time. Just focus on rebounding.”
Marvin Williams 10% Total Rebound Percentage
Larry Bird 14% Total Rebound Percentage
Josh Smith 14% Total Rebound Percentage
are you suggesting we play Marvin more than the other 2 so he can average 10 boards?
Marvin can backup JJ at the 2 and show you guys just what he’s got.
Which is rebounding, scoring on smaller guys and shoot over them at will.
Sign Malcolm Thomas for the big wing and give him and Marvin Williams 12 minutes per game.
Move Horford. Look at his #s, he’s more Boris Diaw than Amare Stoudemire.
What I’ve been trying to say is… Zaza Pachulia grabs 11% of all available offensive rebounds and is solid in all other areas.
Tim Duncan grabbed 10% and David Robinson as well.
This is why we look like contenders when Smith and Zaza and Al are in the game together.
They average about 25% offensive rebounds.
Boston with Perkins Garnett and Pierce? only 19%.
Move Horford and his 17%-19% Usage Rate for a pure scorer who can shoot over 20% usage rate. Move Horford for the 13% offensive rebounder in Hill. Slide him to PF with Zaza. (24% offensive rebound combined).
Sign Malcolm Thomas similar to Hakim Warrick (not a bad thing, he’s an underrated SF out of position rebounding wise similar to Josh) (7% offensive boards).
True Shooting % is a measure of how valuable your shots are (free throws, 3 pt plays). Dirk is at 61.2%. Perkins 63% in 08. Kosta Koufos always 53%.
Darko Milicic
4th and final piece: Move Horford for Hasheem Thabeet’s 60.5% shooting and 11% offensive tip ins/boards.
Shaquille O’Neal only has two seasons of over 60.5% True Shooting %.
Shawn Bradley the 7′6 Mormon? 0seasons
Manute Bol and his 8′0 wingspan? 0seasons
Motiejunas (average for guys his size is 7%)+Smith (8%) +Thabeet (11%)= 26% offensive rebounds
Move Williams 5% offensive boards to backup 2 guard.
What you lose in Horford is Assist %. Horford has a 17% assist percentage. The more aggressive shooting Dirk Nowitzki? 14%.
Big men are not supposed to past that much. Smith is Shawn Marion, he should not pass that much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbw6euxIGvU#t=0m27s
Tell me who you’d rather have passing your PG and SG or “power” forward? Al has no position, maybe in Houston his UNCOORDINATED and T-REX ARM post game and 2 free throws per game over 4 years will be all star caliber for the West
but not here.
P.S. did you know Al said he wasn’t an All Star and Jim O’ Brien called him a success story?
He’s a great passer but media generated player as far as playoffs and idiosyncrasies of his post play against guys his size go… its all lies.
Ra'mon
July 23rd, 2011
9:33 am
KenS you say why do I keep speaking about Al Horford wanting to play PF and not be a C, is the same reason Al Horford and his father keeps saying he doesn’t want to play C, and he would like to move to the PF position.
Also you’re wrong about helping out our interior defense. There was not much wrong with the interior defense. The problem was penetrating from the perimeter and PGs of other teams’.
This was enhanced by Al not having that ‘enforcer’ mentality. We understand Al isn’t a shot blocker. So why doesn’t Al take more charges then? His former teammate, Noah, takes charges all of the time, and he can block shots. So why can’t Al do half of that?
The fact is Ken, you say Horford gets better every season. But the only thing that has noticeably improved over the last three seasons for Horford is his jump shot. He isn’t a better rebounder than he was previously, Horford doesn’t play with the hustle energy that he did in his first two seasons. As I said a while back, Horford was shut down by a one legged Carlos Boozer and Taj Gibson for a series. But Al’s improving every year?
Grandad, I disagree with you. I think the Hornets would take Kirk and Al for CPaul. I think its because they won’t be able to get another ‘young All Star’ for Paul in any other deal (LAL, NYK). And remember, trading for Paul isn’t saying this is the last move. Its opening up a trade (or sign and trade) for Dwight Howard (via Joe Johnson). Its already rumored that D12 would love to play with Paul. And we know he wants to play with Josh. So why not bring the three of them together. Think about how scary that half court defense would be in the playoffs.
Grandad, please remember Paul has not missed major time for injuries except for in one season where he played in 45 games. So when you say would I have traded Joe for Roy, I wouldn’t have cause Joe is a better shooter. But that argument is also muted by the fact that Roy was younger than Joe. So the conventional argument was to go for the younger player. Paul wasn’t favoring his knee last season. Roy has been favoring his knee for the last 3 seasons. And don’t forget Paul is only 26 years old.
Please don’t think someone is bashing Al Horford, I’m not. I just think if you know you want to make a run at D12, Horford can’t remain on the roster. And if you can move Horford for an All NBA player who is a LEADER, why wouldn’t you do that deal?
Ra'mon
July 23rd, 2011
9:37 am
KenS, by the way, Chris Paul is averaging 22 ppg/ 11 apg/ 5 rpg/ 2 steals, while shooting 49% from the field and 34% from beyond the arc in career PLAYOFFS performances. As I said, his playoffs numbers are better than his regular season numbers.
We all know the preferred deal would be Joe Johnson for Paul. But that deal won’t happen this year. It will take another season before you can deal Joe Johnson.
Slimjr
July 23rd, 2011
9:49 am
CP3= 1st Ballot Hall of Fame
________= Yawn, fill in the blanks…
hawksfancents95
July 23rd, 2011
9:53 am
id take cp3 in a heart beat. he is easily 2nd best pg in the nba behind rose. team usa 2012 olympic roster
pg d.rose/ cp3
sg kb24/ dwade
sf kevin durant/melo
pf lebron/blake griffin/klove
c dwight/ ?(tyson chandler/javale/bynum)
i like ra’mons idea here bout acquiring cp3 for al and kirk. then dwight might be enticed enough to come back to atl and with dwight cp3 josh as our big 3 we could easily make an ecf every year for the next 4-7 years.
although i enjoy this hawks future possibility i doubt the hawks even if this was plausable theyd not have the kahunas to pull it off
hawksfancents95
July 23rd, 2011
9:54 am
throw deron williams in there on that 2012 olympic team as the 12th man
Slimjr
July 23rd, 2011
9:57 am
The reason Al has to pass more than the average big is real simple. His lack of handles does not allow him to reset and garner another piece of real-state to get his set shot off..
He cant shoot on the move.A major weakness in the NBA..
Basketball 101: All NBA AL has a set shot, not a jump shot…….Yawn…..
Grabbing 6 rebounds a game in garbage time is no big deal…
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
July 23rd, 2011
10:21 am
I see that my ID has been stolen overnight. No surprise there. When trolls come to the blog, nonsense happens.
Those who know, however, never would have thought those posts were anyone else than our multi-named troll with only one thing to say.
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
Chris Paul is better than Derrick Rose.
Chris Paul generated the most wins from guard since Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. nash and Billups included.
He is/was that efficient. He reminded me of Jordan in fact. Able to finish through contact, 6′1 yet operating in the face up pivot at times.
That being said even Jordan needed Pippen+ Rodman/Horace Grant + bench.
All Duncan needed was a fading Robinson, followed up by playing with Oberto, Nazr Mohammed, Rasho Nasterovic.
People forget Duncan was a power forward who grabbed 10% of all missed shots, Now he’s an aging center with no speed to be dynamic for extended minutes but the fact still stands.
In the last ten years…contract aside, Josh Smith could have been an UPGRADE as opposed to Bruce Bowen, Tayshaun Prince, Trevor Ariza, Shawn Marion
on those championship rosters.
Who can Al replace Garnett? no. Gasol? no. Duncan? no.
I’m not bashing Al, but his strengths are his strengths and his weaknesses are just to glaring.
There are no trading away the bench (Marvin, Zaza, Hinrich) that can justify Horford at power forward in the East.
He’s just not a scorer.
And Orlando would rather take on Horford and be a 30-40 win team, trade a HoF big man with a division rival AND not rebuild and lose out on draft picks AND ticket sale$?
no ones coming to see Horford in Orlando after Dwight left, too big of shoes to fill.
P.S. has anyone heard that Brook Lopez wanted Dwight to play power forward? tough luck AL. there will always be 7 foot power forwards as well.
Either you have it or you dont. Zach Randolph and Kevin Love arent going to come over to the East, Charlie Villanueva is not going to be guarding u in the Eastern Conference playoffs.
Time is up. Move Smith to SF, Marvin to backup SG. Let Teague be the passing point guard, not Al.
Nets Lopez Open To Playing Alongside Howard – RealGM Wiretap
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213609/Nets_Lopez__Open_To_Playing_Alongside_Howard
Ken Strickland
July 23rd, 2011
11:22 am
RA’MON-CPaul’s INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS are impressive indeed, but how has his team benefitted from those numbers over the 6yrs he’s been in the league? In my previous post I made mention of being STAR STRUCK, and this is a perfect example. I’m focused on how Paul’s production hasn’t impacted his team, as far as winning consistently and being a playoff factor. While you’re focused solely on his INDIVIDUAL PLAYER PRODUCTION and ignoring the lack of impact it’s had on his team.
Where do you get this idea that Horford is or has gone soft? You have one camp that whines about him not being a prolific shotblocker, and another camp whinning about him not taking charges, or not being more physical. Well, the Mavericks are NBA champs, and they did it with a center that’s definitely not physical, so I guess that means he’s soft. And despite all of the opinions to the contrary, he’s not a profilic shotblocker either.
Just compare his seasonal and career BPG average to Horfords and you’ll see what I mean. So, you’re saying Horford hasn’t improved in any area over his 4yrs in the NBA other than his jumpshot, WOW? I seriously doubt NBA coaches and players voted him to the Allstar gm, and 3rd team All NBA, based exclusively on him improving in only one area in his 4yr career, and that was with his jumpshot. I guess you see what you want to see, but NBA coaches and players disagree with you, along with one or two others, on Horford.
steven A.
July 23rd, 2011
11:51 am
“Must trade 2 starters as soon as they reach a labor agreement”
Before the trade deadline, the Atlanta Hawks must figure out a way to acquire J.R. Smith. Also take a long look at Arron Aflalo. Attempt to trade Horford or Josh Smith. Allow Crawford to walk. Also, make
kurt Heinrich available.
steven A.
July 23rd, 2011
11:58 am
“Gone fishing”
Josh Smith should never play the “4″ position again. Best suited for the sf. Do not re-sign Jason Collins, Josh Powell, Etan Thomas, Hilton Armstrong, or Damien Wilkins. Let them all “go fishing”
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm
KenS I can see where you’re coming from.
I’m not saying I’d trade big for small at ALL but Chris Paul> Horford. His team has won consistently.
2004-2005 New Orleans was 18 win team. Next season 38 win team.
Al Horford did not join an 18 win team. He joined a 30 win team as a college center who just won the NCAA tournament and the team that had no big men.
We went from 30 to 37 wins. At age 22 CP led his team to 56 wins with no small ball involved.
Chandler, West, Stojacovic, and Morris Peterson.
Using PER, WS/48, True Shooting and Percentage of Possessions used, assist %… there is no way Horford is even close to a healthy Hall of Fame guard in his prime.
Shaquille O’Neal 18.65
Chris Paul’s career high Wins is 18.29
Al Horford 10.9,
Troy Murphy? 8.5
Kwame Brown 4.9?
on a per minute basis Horford is very replaceable with 3 role playing big men. Chris Paul not easily replaced, you need a guard and/or talent bigs.
Horford has improved his assists every year. However with his increased points his free throw attempts go down because he’s unable to dribble past anybody and draw fouls.
He led the team in minutes and shot how many free throws last year?
Minutes FTA Assists Player
2880 388 782 Chris Paul
2870 597 202 Amare Stoudemire
2504 443 190 Nowitzki
2724 396 163 Zach Randolph
2451 327 164 David West
2809 273 120 Elton Brand
2639 246 249 Lamar Odom backup!
1882 244 145 Boozer
3112 695 312 Blake Austin Griffin rookie
2156 257 203 Duncan, 34 yo 7′0 PF
2222 233 105 Greg Monroe, 20 yo 6′11 PF
1576 188 107 Joakim Noah
2704 188 266 Al horford
1748 minutes- J. Hill – 153 FTA. 49 assists
He’s not a power forward. He’s not a defensive center.
His skillset is that of a smart center. Problem is once you get to the playoffs everyone’s just as smart and it comes down to skill.
What NBA players actually are intimidated by Horford?
Horford passing skills do not translate to playoffs bcuz its all based on him being smarter than opponent,
Noah missed half the season and still tied Al for FTA. critique and trade for traditional scoring big men is warranted.
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
12:27 pm
Tyson Chandler 2059 minutes 295 free throws 32assist center
Al horford 2704 188 free throws 266assist tweener, speed center
Elton Brand 2809 273 free throws 120assist forward
al is not a scoring forward and never will be. cant guard centers and never will.
In 4 year career out of college Al has 875 free throws.
Blake Griffin 1 year out of college, missed a season with a fractured kneecap comes back and gets 695 in one year.
Ken, You cant read the signs?
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
12:40 pm
Re: steven A.
July 23rd, 2011
11:58 am
“Gone fishing”
Josh Smith should never play the “4″ position again. Best suited for the sf.”
……………
Shawn Marion Tayshaun Prince Adrian Dantley, Mark Aguirre and James Worthy are saying thank you.
Didnt Dennis Rodman play the SF and win 2 rings before they lost their PF-C of Mahorn, Laimbeer?
and what happened as soon as he moved to PF? he got traded, lost with David RObinson at Center and never won until he had Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc.
If Rodman/Smith isnt at the 3 you better have Scottie Pippen or Lebron on the wing moving him out of position.
Not Marvin Williams who is best as a big Drexler type bully 2 guard. a mediocre SF.
and Rodman was a better PF than Smith, “smaller” than Smith but Smith is bigger and thus slower to the ball.
Rodman was a speed demon, tireless worker as well. Smith will be lucky to reach peak Marion level. Smith Already passed Gerald Wallace however with 15% total rebounds last year.
ArtMan
July 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
Dept. Of Unintended Irony -
I noticed that also. The posts used by the multi-named Troll all do sound the same. A lot of hot air that smells.
steven A.
July 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm
I do not understand why this coach can not decide on a permanent starting five. Agree with most on this blog. MARVIN DOES NOT LIKE TO PLAY DEFENSE OR REBOUND. Marvin Williams should
be coming off the bench “EVERY” night. Problem is, he has a scorers’ mentality, and is not very good
at it. Marvin deserves about “15 MINUTES” per game under any set of circumstances.
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
1:32 pm
@Dept. Of Unintended Irony
I was under the impression it was a equal opportunity. You only post when you see something ironic? Pretty cynical… but I digress.
………..
“AHorford has improved each yr he’s been in the NBA, and is a current Allstar and All NBA CENTER that has yet to reach his max potential.”
Al Horford Playoffs
Season PTS TRB AST
2007-08 12.6 10.4 3.6
2008-09 6.9 5.8 2.0
2009-10 14.6 9.0 1.8
2010-11 11.3 9.6 3.5
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“Nobody’s saying those numbers are bad, but they’re clear on one point. Against the great teams in the NBA, Horford’s only good. It’s not like choosing Noah over Al means shortchanging a young Tim Duncan. Meanwhile, here’s Noah’s playoff numbers in the playoffs:
12 games, 51.9% fg, 12.1 ppg, 13.1 reb
Who would YOU want?”
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/11/2/1787722/al-horford-vs-joakim-noah-who-ya-got
Horford tries to get free throws but he’s not lanky enough (Amare/Griffin/West) or small enough (Blake) of forward or a big guy who shoots over you and gets putbacks like Duncan or Nowitzki or Monroe or Rasheed.
Pachulia gets more offensive boards and fouls than Al.
Joakim Noah missed 34 games and actually TIED with Al for 182 offensive rebounds.
Taj Gibson 1700 minutes and 162 offensive boards. Boozer 130 in 1882 minutes.
Asik 112 in 989 minutes.
Give me Asik, Gibson, Noah > Horford. Horford is one man. Coaches/media vote him in not players.
Slimjr
July 23rd, 2011
2:19 pm
“Chris Paul is averaging 22 ppg/ 11 apg/ 5 rpg/ 2 steals, while shooting 49% from the field and 34% from beyond the arc in career PLAYOFFS performances. As I said, his playoffs numbers are better than his regular season numbers. ”
@Ra’mon
Whats even more impressive about CP3’s numbers is he is operating in the Western Conference which is the more talented conference.Imagine what he could do in the East? Dethrone DRose as the next MVP?
On the flip side if AllStar/All NBA JR played out West? What would become of him out there? Would the NeNe’s and Chuck Hayes dismantle him every night? Hmmmmmmm?
Ken Strickland
July 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm
DEPT OF UNINTENDED
IRONY-We can all see the limited intellectual capacity of this extremely immature troll. It would be far better if this MORON could somehow change what he says, rather than changing his name and repeating the same lame BS. Oh well, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
STEVENA-Marvin is the type of player that if you lock him out he’ll stay out and won’t try to get back in. If you let him in, he’ll come in and function. LDrew has to make an effort to let him in, rather than expecting him to take charge when JJ, Josh, Al or Jamal doesn’t have it going.
The problem is, and it’s not just with Marvin, LDrew will continue to call plays for certain players that aren’t being productive. Just like JJ and Jamal, Drew thinks the team can’t win without their scoring. If certain players are doing well, he calls plays for them, and if they aren’t doing well, he’ll continue calling plays for them, rather than calling plays to try and get Marvin involved to take up the slack.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm
Chris Paul > everyone on the Hawks’ roster. Easily. That Hornets team wins about 10 games without him.
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm
u r the one name calling Ken S. U r just as immature.
Horford> Chris Paul
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
3:07 pm
Ken Strickland you are being a [fill in the blank]. I apologized to Dept. Of Unintended Irony. None of your business to go out of ure way to hurl insults.
comparing Chris Paul’s efficiency with Mo Peterson, David West and a brokeback Stojacovic to Horford with Joe Johnson Josh Smith Josh Childress/Jamal Crawford Marvin Williams… moronic
Chris Paul was on Magic Johnson’s level of efficiency only 2 years ago.
Yeah conventional fans would say I’m a moron. So they said of Socrates. Al’s career trajectory is on the wall. 2 FTA, 36mpg, for his career. Any playoff bench scorer worth his salt can get 2 Free throw attempts.
Horford has yet to be VOTED into an All Star game.
Doc Rivers
“I love him, I love watching him. I was just telling someone, of all the All-Stars, coaching the All-Star team, he was hands down—it was’t even close—my favorite guy. Just the way he carries himself. He made a comment to me, ‘Coach, don’t worry about playing me, I just want to play one stint. This is about the STARS.”
Great attitude. Great personality. Inferior Playoff talent who’s best attribute is being smarter and faster than other centers. When he meets others who are as smart as him…he has no talent. Men lie, women lie…
Not a star never will be,
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
3:18 pm
Great blog Mr. Cunningham.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
July 23rd, 2011
3:36 pm
“Ken Strickland you are being a [fill in the blank]. I apologized to Dept. Of Unintended Irony”
Oh yeah, what an apology. Here it is:
” @Dept. Of Unintended Irony
I was under the impression it was a equal opportunity. You only post when you see something ironic? Pretty cynical… but I digress.”
Anybody else think that’s an apology? Perhaps I’m being TOO ironic.
Ken Strickland
July 23rd, 2011
3:41 pm
I never said Horford was better than CPaul. I said it would be foolish to trade Horford for CPaul. There’s a big difference in the 2 statements. I noticed you avoided commenting about Horford being VOTED 3rd string All NBA by his peers and coaches.
If you’ll notice, I didn’t identify anyone by name when I made my post about someone being immature, limited intellectually, and using mulitple names. You obviously recognized your own shorcomings and childish habits, took offense and responded. Hell, Thabeet isn’t a star either, and he never will be. Actually, he’s yet to prove he even belongs in the NBA, yet you keep going on and on about him being better for the Hawks than the NBA’s 3rd best CENTER, as voted by his peers and coaches.
NAJEH-In 09-10 CPaul played in only 45gms. In the 37gms he missed the team won 14. In the 45gms he played in, the team won 23. I think they would do mush better than 10 wins without him. That’s not to diminish his talents a oveall contribution to his team, but he couldn’t replace what Horford brings to the table, which are the things we need most.
It’s very doubtful if JTeague will ever come close to measuring up to CP3 as a PG or as a player, but he can certainly provide us with a lot of what CP3 brings to the table.
Worldwide Clyde
July 23rd, 2011
4:10 pm
For the past 3 years Horford has never been held accountable for his defense.
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
4:12 pm
@Dept. Of Unintended Irony I apologize Irony. wont happen again.
“I said it would be foolish to trade Horford for CPaul.”
More specifically you basically said Paul has hollow numbers.
Dept of UIrony:
“I see that my ID has been stolen overnight. No surprise there. When trolls come to the blog, nonsense happens.”
KenS:
“We can all see the limited intellectual capacity of this extremely immature troll. It would be far better if this MORON could somehow change what he says, rather than changing his name and repeating the same lame BS.”
……
“If you’ll notice, I didn’t identify anyone by name when I made my post about someone being immature, limited intellectually, and using multiple names.”
1) Just how many names do you think I am posting under? Dont be shy.
2) The NBA’s 3rd best “center?
Thabeet isn’t a “star”? Did I say he was? I said he gets 11% of rebounds. I said Hill gets 13%.
Chandler 12%.
True Shooting
Thabeet shot 60.5% as a rookie, Hill 57.5%, Dirk 61% this year, Hakim Warrick 56%.
Smith is an upgrade as SF over any center we could get for him. Horford is not a center in the playoffs.
He’s not a scoring forward in the playoffs and anyone with length make him seem average over the past 4 years.
You’re only defense is Coaches voted him in as a center. Yet we see he cant dominate/defend centers or seperate himself against the likes of Kurt Thomas Ilyasova.
7 Games? Your only defense is he made the All Star game and avoiding that the structure of players would all slot into their correct positions.
Pau Gasol was voted into exactly 1 All Star Game prior to LA. Dennis Rodman only 2 for his career.
Give me the 2 NBA Titles. Dumars, Salley Thomas Rodman Lambieer Mahorn earned.
Give me underachievers/media targets shot-blocking Rasheed, Ben Wallace, Billups, Hamilton, Prince.
Get a title and THEN go to the All Star Game, how about that.
Zero rings, 7 All Star Games on the Hawks. Give me a team of stellar role players and a tall coordinated Motiejunas over big names with clear weaknesses.
SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet
July 23rd, 2011
4:49 pm
Hakim Warrick’s true shooting is worth 56% and he Uses 20% of possessions.
a SF at PF? = 20% usage
Dirk is 61.2% and uses 28% of possessions for himself.
a 7′0 with a SG face up game and SF post game= near 30% usage
Shaq, Duncan demanded 28% with Ginobili and Parker… allows him to play with strict defenders Bowen and Oberto/Nasterovic/Mohammed.
Can you imagine Horford demanding near 28% of shots. Josh could get a shot off anytime he wants, we’d lose though…
Josh Smith is a 25% usage, especially WHEN he loses more weight like Marion.
We run him off cross screens on baseline and get layups
Crawford was a 25% possession user. Motiejunas is the 25% usage guy who can play defense, lead the break, trail for a jump shot, pump fake and Dunk with his 37″ vertical.
I find it amazing that at 7′0.5 he was more fluid than the 6′9.75 Horford,
Can you imagine the lefty Josh Smith who could hit jump shots AND was taller to shoot over smaller guys with more range?
Can you imagine putting the Josh Smith who cant shoot at SF next to the PF to grab rebounds against guys like Deng and Anthony? Taking pressure off Joe. Giving Teague a post option or room to operate on pick and wide pops?
Can you see Horford getting 1 out of every 3 possessions like Duncan? he’d just pass it back.
Its been 4 years, either he has no work ethic or I’m telling the truth. Not enough length or speed to be a dominant mismatch like Amare at the 4. Thats why he passes and has increased his assists every year.
Grandad
July 23rd, 2011
4:54 pm
1st of all, Nola ain’t gonna trade nobody as long as *Stern*
owns the team. *[technically the League]*
So the Paul argument is moot.
Ra’mon…No they would not accept Al & Kirk…sorry.
[assuming, they had an owner + a legit GM]
“Grandad,
please remember Paul has not missed major time for injuries
*except for in one season where he played in 45 games.”
*[that's a big exception]
Ra`mon please note:
the Brandon Roy example was a corollary.
Final thought on the matter.
I’m sick and tired of people vilifying
our consistently most complete and well rounded player.
Grandad
July 23rd, 2011
4:57 pm
……………….and yawl are perfectly welcome
to be sick and tired of me bein’ sick and tired !