Atlanta Hawks: Camp wrap

  • The Hawks broke camp today and now head for the lockout summer.
  • No matter what happens with the new CBA the Hawks are probably going to have to fill some needs by finding some values in free agency. They sure could use the summer league. “It throws a little bit of a wrench into things,” L.D. said. “We will just have to go with what we have as far as evaluating these guys.”
  • We already know the Hawks are looking to add toughness. What else? “Shooters,” L.D. said. “We need knock-down shooters. Not the guys that are capable of making shots. We need guys that they are open, they get that ball, the opposition is saying, ‘Uh-oh.’ Those type guys. Whether we will find them with these [camp] guys. . . . We had some guys that are pretty good shooters here.”
  • L.D. said the he suspects the camp was “very, very competitive” because the Hawks have so many open spots. He was set to meet with management today to compare notes on the players. “I will let Rick and them know who I like, they will let me know who they like,” he said. “We will talk about it as a staff and we will start making decisions. Some of these guys have other workouts. We will talk about the ones we do like, talk to agents and see if we can get them back to veterans’ camp.”
  • Joe Alexander followed up a strong D-League season with a good showing for the Hawks, who have an opening in the power rotation behind Al, Josh and Zaza. “I would love to be here, obviously,” Alexander said.
  • The lockout complicates matters for free agents like Alexander. “I guess if I get some kind of word from a team, I might stick around [this summer],” he said. “But otherwise I will have to look at options overseas.”
  • “When I think about [Alexander] when he came into the league, he was predominantly a jump-shooter and he took a lot of threes,” L.D. said. “He hasn’t taken one three since he’s been here in camp. Down low when he has the ball he really looks to finesse and then muscle his way to the basket. I think with him picking up a little weight and getting stronger I think he has pretty much solidified who he is, and that’s a four.”
  • Omar Samhan is a legitimately big dude–maybe too big. He’s not mobile or athletic.
  • Ivan Johnson looked stout, athletic and skilled. Johnson was productive in the D-League last season.
  • Johnson played with a real edge during the couple brief scrimmage sequences media types got to watch. That pretty much jibes with this take on Johnson by Jonathan Givony at DraftExpress.com
  • Seeing Keith Benson next to Johnson and Samhan (and even Alexander) was quite the contrast. “It’s something he’s going to have to get acclimated to as far as banging guys bigger and stronger than him,” Drew said. “During his collegiate career I’m sure he hasn’t banged with these type guys on a consistent basis. With a guy with his frame that can put some wear and tear on your body. Certainly I’m sure he sees where he needs to get stronger and pick up some weight. But I see some things that I really like about him. I think he can help this ballclub.”
  • The refs hired by the Hawks didn’t seem to be calling many fouls. I’m thinking that was by design. “We’ve got some tough guys out here, some guys that really look to bang and mix it up,” Drew said.
  • Zaza dropped by camp and, like Al, said he’s not sure if he would play for his national team this summer because of insurance concerns. Usually the NBA pays for the policies.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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KevinM

July 3rd, 2011
7:01 pm

Oh yeah, with Al playing PF, how many centers do we need on this roster?

Zaza, Collins, Benson, Thomas, and perhaps 2 more.

How many centers in Orlando? One all-star and maybe one more to back him up? What a joke of a organization we have here in Atlanta. We have to subsidize an all-star center because he doesn’t defend centers.

Let me know when this makes sense to anyone.

KevinM

July 3rd, 2011
7:10 pm

Yes, for those who will say our 6 centers beat Dwight and the no backups….I think we were lucky over good in that series. We were not much better than them and they will not struggle as much going forward as they did last year despite winning 55.

Big Ray

July 3rd, 2011
7:16 pm

Naw Dude come on World Be Clyde!! All NBA is gonna work on his post game and 3 pt set shot!! He’s an Allstar mind you? Yawn…………………………….lol

Ya got it all wrong. It’s Josh who loves the 3 point set shot.

As for making all star teams and all nba teams, when did that become a subject of ridicule?

OH, that’s right…when guys started thinking they’re smarter than NBA coaches.

SF,Malcolm Thomas PF, Donatas PF Jordan HIll, C Hasheem Thabeet

July 3rd, 2011
7:18 pm

Al Horford’s counter move:

@Big Ray you said “Oh my God” when I asked if you’ve ever seen Al do a spin move.

He’s too big and his arms to small to cause misdirection. Ever heard of crab dribbling? Ironically he looks like Kendrick Perkins a long armed guy in the post.

Perkins gets shots off easy and can’t hit them (too lanky). Horford is stocky but has little to no dribbling ability or quickness in the post. The ball slows him down.

@Big Ray you said “Oh my God” when I asked if you’ve ever seen Al do a spin move.

Tall players can make someone overcommit and spin off them. Yao.

Horford is not a natural isolation post player. He’s not Amare okay, He’s not blake griffin or Zach Randolph

he’s a speed center who speeds the game up and averages 3.5 assists. When have you ever heard of a “Power Forward” who couldn’t post up?

He’s a stretch center. We add a center and slow it down.

Dirk- shoot 3s
Gasol- 7′1 Twin Towers slow but alters shots tips rebounds etc
Amare- quicker, longer, yet to win
Randolph- quicker shorter arms more compact jumper like Motiejunas, like Blake my goodness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfBMw3SAdG4#t=3m40s

Big Ray

July 3rd, 2011
7:18 pm

KevinM ,

We had a strategy that beat their game, it was that simple. OH, that and Joe and Jamal didn’t have to deal with Vinsanity, Josh wasn’t getting torched by Rashard Lewis, and Pietrus wasn’t around to provide actual defense on our guards.

Otherwise, we lose that series….

So in essence, I agree with what you said.

Big Ray

July 3rd, 2011
7:27 pm

Horford is not a natural isolation post player. He’s not Amare okay, He’s not blake griffin or Zach Randolph

Never said he was. Hell, I know better.

he’s a speed center who speeds the game up and averages 3.5 assists. When have you ever heard of a “Power Forward” who couldn’t post up?

Three thoughts on that:

1) He’s still our top pivot man, like it or not. Josh all but refuses to play inside, and can’t body up to most bigs on the other end. Oddly enough, the lighter Josh is, the better he is (225 pounds as opposed to 235-240). Like it or not, Al needs to develop and refine two reliable post moves. Period. He can’t just be an outside shooter, even though he’s good at it. I think he learned that when the Bulls took that shot away from him.

2) Despite the fact that this team was built to run, run, run – we keep trying to slow the game down and play halfcourt offense. The difference between Drew and Woodson is Drew has a more detailed idea of what to do on offense. Both stupidly kept slowing the offense down to a halfcourt thing.

3) Al wasn’t asked to do anything in particular on offense in his first three years. He was asked to defend, rebound, and get dunks off of other people’s misses or the occasional pass when Joe needed a bailout. If somebody had been working with this guy from the early going, we might be seeing something different. There was no plan to use Al on offense until Drew took the seat. But Drew doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing with these guys.

Josh and Al can both play inside/outside. However, we have a brain problem. Al can shoot outside and doesn’t seem to want to play inside. Josh can play inside and seems to want to play outside.

Somebody help us….

Slimjr

July 3rd, 2011
7:32 pm

“OH, that’s right…when guys started thinking they’re smarter than NBA coaches.”

DING DING DING DING!!! You Win!! lol

Bloggers>Larry……………