Atlanta Hawks: Minicamp Day 1

Notes and quotes from League (Pre) Lockout . . .

Lighty is a live one. (Phil Skinner / pskinner@ajc.com)

Lighty is a live one. (Phil Skinner / pskinner@ajc.com)

  • Before you ask: I didn’t get to see much live action. Media types got to see about 15 minutes of scrimmage at the end of the morning practice. So please hold your “How did [overlooked gem] look?” questions.
  • I didn’t get to see Keith Benson scrimmage at all. When practice was opened, he was with a group that was off lifting weights. He does indeed look thin.
  • The Hawks won’t be able to sign any players out of this camp because they have no open roster spots after signing Magnum Rolle. Their free agents technically don’t become free agents until Friday, but we know why that’s not going to happen.
  • Whenever the Hawks can sign players, it sounds as if they will make a run at David Lighty. The Hawks worked him out before the draft.
  • L.D.: “Lighty is a gutsy defender. He can defend maybe three positions. That is what we are looking for as we move into next summer. I want guys that can defend where it’s already instilled in him, it’s in their DNA. Lighty has been a tremendous defender throughout his career and certainly he would be a plus to have on this team.”
  • Lighty on defense: “That is something where you help separate yourself from others. Everybody wants to see somebody score but the little things are what win basketball games. I try to focus on that.”
  • Lighty said the Cavaliers, Pistons, Suns, Spurs and Hornets also wanted to bring him in. Why the Hawks? “It was about [looking at] teams that I would like and fit my style of play,” he said. “They have open spots and they have free agents at the two guard.”
  • Lighty said he was less upset about not being drafted than were his family, friends and supporters. “For me, I’m the type of person if I have a goal I am going to reach it no matter what and I’m not going to stop until I do. I was a little down; I’m human. That was my dream and my goal to get drafted. And hear my name called, that was the big thing. I will play in the NBA one day. I won’t stop until I get there.”
  • L.D. echoed Rick Sund in saying the Hawks want to bring back Twin. They seem less certain about Damien. “We are still taking about it,” L.D. said. “We haven’t made any decisions there. We will see what happens.”
  • L.D. said the Hawks have “got to put a little meat on [Benson's] bones.” Benson said he’s ready: “They have good weight coaches here so I can put a lot of focus on that and plan out my meals. My main focus will be to put weight and strength on.”
  • Benson said he thinks he can maintain his athleticism with another 15 to 20 pounds on his frame.
  • L.D. on Benson: “He’s a really good kid. We did a background check on him and he’s one of the quality kids at the collegiate level.”
  • Benson plans to hook up with fellow Detroit Country Day alum C-Webb, who lives in town. “I have his number. I’m going to reach out.” Benson played under Webber’s brother, Jason, who is an assistant coach at DCD.
  • Peachtree Ridge product Jason Graham also worked out for the Hawks before the draft. “Graham can really shoot the basketball,” Drew said. “I didn’t know about him but watching some film on him and working him out, he can make shots.”
  • When the topic turned to Al playing more power forward, L.D., like Sund, started talking more about versatility as a virtue than adding a full-time center: “The more versatile we are, it keeps the other team guessing a little bit. We did move Al around a lot last year. We moved Josh around. Joe played some three. Having a verstaile team makes us more potent.
  • The word from multiple NBA people over the last few days is there was nothing much to that Josh to Minnesota trade rumor on draft day.
  • But David Aldridge reports (about halfway down the page) there was something to that SI.com story on the imminent sale of of the Hawks.

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339 comments Add your comment

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 27th, 2011
7:13 pm

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 27th, 2011
7:13 pm

Woot two blogs in a row!

O'Brien

June 27th, 2011
7:18 pm

doc,

Younger/faster fingers at work hehe.

JoJo the Godfather

June 27th, 2011
7:18 pm

Lighty at least knows how to give an interview. Kid sounds determined. I like it.

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 27th, 2011
7:19 pm

I’ve heard David Lighty’s name mentioned quite a few times on these blogs. I’m curious about him seeing as tho he might be brought in for defense.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2011
7:20 pm

Ken S,

If the Hawks sign Lighty, he will probably cut into Sy’s minutes.

That being said, I like what LD said.I want guys that can defend where it’s already instilled in him, it’s in their DNA..

However, last year, LD said lots of things, only to back pedal, or not follow through.

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2011
7:35 pm

From last blog:

Marvin’s Grandma:

“Al is 20x better than josh, and when the Hawks decide to use Marvin, you all will find out that Marvin is better than Josh also!”

Career Season Stats:

Josh Smith: 14.6ppg, 33.8mpg, 46%FG%, 67% FT, 7.7rpg, 3.0apg, 1.2spg, 2.2bpg
Al Horford : 12.8ppg, 33.8mpg, 53%FG%, 76% FT, 9.6rpg, 2.4apg, 0.8spg, 1.1bpg

Career Playoff Stats

Josh Smith: 15.8ppg, 36.0mpg, 42%FG%, 69%FT, 8.0rpg, 2.6apg, 1.2spg, 2.0bpg
Al Horford : 11.5ppg, 35.5mpg, 46%FG%, 76%FT, 8.7 rpg, 2.7apg,0.6spg, 1.1bpg

No need to even put Marvin in the same discussion. That is disrespectful to Al and Josh. That sure does not look like one guy is 20x better than the other guy to me.

I will also note that over the same amount of years (4 years) in the playoffs, Josh Smith has 547 FT attempts, while Al Horford has 102 FT attempts. I wonder who is attacking the rim (LOL)? We all should know who the better defensive player is over their respective careers, unless you are just a Josh hater. I actually like both guys, but I do think that one should be moved, and my choice would be Al, especially if Teague is to be the point guard of the future. To whomever made the stupid comment concerning the highest paid players on the team, Horford was a higher ranked player than Josh coming out of college, he made more money on his rookie contract than Josh over the life of the contract, and he will make more money over the life of the second contract than Josh did on his.

Last point. Josh has been in the league 7 years, and Al has been in for 4 years. During the regular season over 7 years playing mostly power forward, and some small forward, Josh has amassed 1,189 blocks, while Al in 4 years has amassed 342 blocks. In the playoffs, when every point counts, and your PF and C should always protect the rim, over the same amount of years (4 years), Josh has amassed 81 blocks, and Horford has 44 blocks. Any idiot who states that blocked shots is not an important stat defensively, is just that, an idiot. Those are 81 shots in the playoffs, that had an oppurtunity to put points on the board, that were erased. But lets remember that Josh is the one who never hustles, or gets back on defense, and is a cancer to the team (LOL). Joe Johnson is actually that guy, but I’ll defer on that argument.

SoL Heart Hawks

June 27th, 2011
7:37 pm

I was hoping for Joe Alexander to show up to mini camp he is an upgrade over Marvin easily,perhaps Lighty will do the job. Keeping my fingers crossed for an individual owner in the Cuban mold over a ownership group. GO HAWKS!!!

KevinM

June 27th, 2011
7:37 pm

I take Lighty in a heartbeat…he has length and he played for the #1 overall seed in the tournament last year. I was surprised he didn’t get drafted. All defensive team Big 10 first team.

bigdave

June 27th, 2011
7:40 pm

“OMG! OMG! WORLDWIDE CLYDE AND SLIM i honestly thought i was alone in this world with my critic of AL (THE BULLFIGHTER) HORFORD.. I have been on this blog for years preaching on deaf ears abt OVERRATED AL and his infamous OLAY! defense,”

wait a minute..

lol

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2011
7:41 pm

I didn’t see a ton of college basketball this year, but I did see a few OSU games, and although Lighty played on a team with several other quality players and never really had to be the first option on his team, I think he could contribute.

I don’t know if I’d sign him at the expense of not having Damien on the roster though.

Assuming Jamal leaves, there are five players under contract that I am confident will give the Hawks quality minutes every time out: Teague, Joe, Kirk, Smoove, and Al. Beyond them, you have Marvin and Zaza under contract who, on any given day, may give you good minutes or be useless, and you have free agents Collins and Damien who can provide quality minutes in the right situation. If you let Hilton, Etan, and Powell walk, and keep Collins, Damien, Rolle (whose contract is non-guaranteed), and Sy and add Benson, that’s 12 players on the roster which leaves 3 spots empty.

At that point, you would have:

PG: Teague/Kirk
SG: Joe/Kirk/Sy
SF: Smoove/Marvin/Damien/Sy
PF: Al/Smoove/Benson/Rolle
C: Al/Zaza/Collins/Benson/Rolle

I think that team still needs a center who is better than Zaza and good enough to start first and foremost, a fourth player in the guard rotation, and someone better than Marvin to be the best true small forward on the roster.

I could see Lighty or someone else in this free agent camp being that 4th guard… maybe. They still need to find a starting caliber center (Dalembert in free agency? A Marvin for Haywood trade?) and a small forward who can at least push Marvin for a starting job (Josh Howard? T-Mac? Caron Butler?) I don’t think either of those roles is going to be filled by someone in this free agent camp.

SoL Heart Hawks

June 27th, 2011
7:42 pm

cosign on Rod from CP… Al has higher trade value and Josh takes much fewer ill advised jumpers when playing PF full time..

bigdave

June 27th, 2011
7:42 pm

kill em Rod..

is laughable really.. you dont even need stats to support it, just watch.. and we not just talking playoffs.. it was evident all season, past 2.

bigdave

June 27th, 2011
7:44 pm

D Light can easily be one of those “dirty work” guys Joe spoke of seasons end

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
7:47 pm

Rod – To whomever made the stupid comment concerning the highest paid players on the team, Horford was a higher ranked player than Josh coming out of college, he made more money on his rookie contract than Josh over the life of the contract, and he will make more money over the life of the second contract than Josh did on his.

That would be me.

Josh didn’t go to college as you know, so of course he wasn’t rated as high. He wasn’t a phenom like Dwight or anything.

The fact remains that Josh made twice as much as Al this season, and will make more than Al the next 2 seasons before he becomes a FA. And inflation adjusted, Josh’s 2nd contract is worth more than the one Al just signed.

It’s just stupid to try and spin it to say Josh somehow hasn’t made more than Al. He has, and he will.

So I expect more out of the guy I pay the most.

So Rod, since Miami didn’t have a guy in the top 15 in blocked shots, and Dallas didn’t have a guy in the top 15 in blocked shots, and both those teams were in the Finals, it looks like your the idiot on this one.

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
7:48 pm

And Rod, i hate to throw around terms like “stupid” and “idiot” at guys.

But back’atcha’.

Chris

June 27th, 2011
7:51 pm

Trade Marvin for Greg Oden

Chris

June 27th, 2011
7:52 pm

SoL Heart Hawks

June 27th, 2011
7:53 pm

the W in Steve W is the W in his pants = sits down to pee!!!

The Truth

June 27th, 2011
7:59 pm

Guys can we at least stay on topic

“Atlanta Hawks: Minicamp Day 1″

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
8:02 pm

Sol. Heart Hawks – Like I said earlier, when I criticize Al, not much happens. If I criticize Josh, or a Josh defender, all Hades breaks loose.

I thought Rod played college ball in SC. I didn’t know he needed losers like you to take up for him.

Loser

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2011
8:16 pm

SteveW,

“The fact remains that Josh made twice as much as Al this season, and will make more than Al the next 2 seasons before he becomes a FA. And inflation adjusted, Josh’s 2nd contract is worth more than the one Al just signed.”

Actually did not realize that that was you who made that statement, but if you did, and you still believe it, you are an idiot. 60million > 58million any day of the week. Math was my worst subject, but even I know that 60 million is greater than 58 million over 5 years. Inflation adjusted blah blah blah. Josh only got 58 based on the fact that Memphis gave him that offer, not us. We matched. We originally offered 45 mil over 5 years, and made Josh get another offer. We did no such thing with Al. So in reality, the Hawks thought Josh was worth 45 mil over 5 years, and thought Al is worth 60mil over 5 years. Now you look at the numbers I posted above, and tell me if Al is worth 15 million more than Josh. The Hawks were forced into giving Josh 58 million.

“Atlanta originally offered Smith a five-year, $45 million contract last October that he declined.
The Grizzlies’ offer isn’t frontloaded or laced with creative clauses designed to discourage the Hawks, meaning it is a straightforward five-year, $58 million deal.”

“The All-Star center and the Hawks have reached terms on a five-year extension worth $60 million plus performance bonuses, mirroring the extension Joakim Noah signed with Chicago earlier this month.”

The Truth

June 27th, 2011
8:24 pm

L.D.: “Lighty is a gutsy defender. He can defend maybe three positions. That is what we are looking for as we move into next summer”

Sounds like LD is looking for another cheaper version of Mario West (lol)

“They seem less certain about Damien. “We are still taking about it,” L.D. said. “We haven’t made any decisions there. We will see what happens.”

That’s Interesting; so, Damien is not a lock to re-sign. If you hear a statement like this from management in Corporate America these days, it’s a wrap, you’re about to be fired. (Sorry Damien)

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2011
8:24 pm

The Truth:

“Guys can we at least stay on topic

“Atlanta Hawks: Minicamp Day 1″

While I have read and respect most of your post, I really am not interested in most of these guys except Benson. Most won’t make the team, and if they do they will fill the Josh Powell, Etan Thomas roles on this team, which means all we will see of them is their fashion sense. No interest of mine.

Ken Strickland

June 27th, 2011
8:28 pm

OBRIEN-I seriously doubt that LDrew is as stubborn and mule headed as Woodson. I think he got the message when Sund and the ASG decided to change the teams approach from OFF first to DEF by paying a ransom to get rid of MBibby. I’m certain he also knows Jamal won’t be resigned. You’re probably right about Papa Sy, but whoever gets the mins, Drew will have to deal with a backcourt that’s definitely DEF oriented.

Signing Lighty will probably mean DWilkins won’t be resigned, since we’d have a 4 guard rotation of JJ, Teague, Hinrich, Pape Sy and Lighty without him. When you take into consideration the number of SF’s we have in camp, it appears we’re looking for a backup for Marvin, assuming JJ remains at SG.

It will be very interesting to see the battle that will be taking place in LDrew’s mind concerning whether JTeague or KHinrich gets the starting nod. While Hinrich definitely has the edge in experience and outside shooting, Teague has the edge in speed, quickness, athleticism, penetrating ability and potential impact.

Since Teague is the long term solution at PG rather than Hinrich, Drew definitely needs to start Teague and let Hinrich provide the veteran leadership and stability off the bench. Teague is much better equipped than Hinrich to consistently get this team off to a fast start, which was a constant problem last yr.

Man, I’m really excited about the speed, quickness, athleticism, size, and DEF ability of the players that will comprise our backcourt. I can’t wait to see how much of an impact they’ll have on our overall DEF. Even though I haven’t seen it posted since Bibby’s arrival, we all know he and Jamal gave up a lot of PTs with their poor DEF, which obviously had a negative impact on our DEF pts allowed.

After coming to the Hawks at the trade deadline, Bibby’s poor DEF caused our DEF pts allowed to increase by 9PPG. His OFF also caused a 9PPG increase as well. We all saw his OFF and DEF dramatically decline, which had an even higher negative impact on our DEF pts allowed and PPG scored. Those will not be issues this yr, with both DEF liabilities gone.

doc

June 27th, 2011
8:50 pm

@o’b

ouch!

Hoops

June 27th, 2011
8:51 pm

Most of the time, everyone on this blog is critisizing the Hawks players, Larry Drew, Rick Sund, or ASG. Well, recently you have to give them alot of credit for how they are running the Hawks. The Hawks made a surprisingly good run this season in the playoffs with Larry Drew as the coach. Rick Sund made a good trade to get Hinrich. Rick Sund and staff made a great pick @ #48 to get Keith Benson. Rick Sund and staff have assembled a great group of FA for this mini camp, that they are hosting, before the CBA runs out this Friday. Most teams were not “on the ball” enough to put that together the next week after the draft.

I believe giving credit where credit is due!

Ray

June 27th, 2011
8:51 pm

@ SteveW

It’s not that all hades will break lose if you criticize him it’s just when most people say he should be the first to go.

cp

June 27th, 2011
8:53 pm

You have to love Lighty’s attitude. Just the type of guy we need. Good to read Benson will reach out to C-Webb. I think at least two guys from camp make the team. I dont think Wilkens, Powell, Armstrong, or Etan comes back. Might be a lot of young guys sitting at the end of the bench rather than washed up vets.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2011
8:56 pm

As fans of a team that employs Joe Johnson, we should all know better than to set our expectations for performance based on salary.

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
9:05 pm

Najeh – I know. It was just a teaser argument based on the Al was an All Star, so he should out perform Josh line of reasoning. I tried to deal with that fallacy another way, but to know avail.

At this point, I say give them all a shot. Don’t trade anybody. We still don’t know what JJ, Teague, Josh or Al would like with a real Coach.

If we were to get an Adelman, or a Brown or Casey before they were snapped up, we may be surprised by the results.

LD just never seemed to like Wilkens for some reason. Even when Wilkens would outplay Mo’, it was always Mo’, just like Bibby.

ant banks

June 27th, 2011
9:08 pm

DID WE EVER DECIDE WHO THE BLOGGER OF THEY YEAR WAS?

‘POOP AND KEN STRICKLAND, HANDS DOWN. VERY INSIGHTFUL POSTS!! DON’T WANT TO OFFEND ANY OF YOU OTHER GUYS/GALS (DR.MARYB). KUTGW!! keep up the good work

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
9:09 pm

Cut into Sy’s minutes? I don’t think Sy has any minutes. I think ZaZa, Teague, Hinrich, JJ, Marvin, Josh, and Al have minutes, and sometimes Collins.

I think the rest are yet to shake out. But I wouldn’t count on Sy having any minutes yet. This is the same Coach who wouldn’t give Jordan Crawford minutes under almost any circumstance, regardless of injuries to other players, blowouts or what have you.

Teague will only have minutes because Hinrich and JJ can’t play 48 mpg. And he won’t have minutes if we re-sign Jamal.

ant banks

June 27th, 2011
9:10 pm

can anyone explain why benson wouldn’t put on weight while he was in college? it’s kinda like waitin’ until your senior year of high school to start studyin’. if you had started studyin’ (lifting weights) your freshman year, you coulda been valedictorian (1st round pick)

drmaryb (*_*)

June 27th, 2011
9:20 pm

Caveat!

“Their free agents technically don’t become free agents until Friday, but we know why that’s not going to happen.” -MC-
_________________________

I predict that maybe, just maybe the NBA Owners and Player’s Union will vote to extend the lockout deadline by two weeks in an attempt to stave off a work stoppage and reach an unlikely agreement.

What a two week extension will allow is teams to release players and sign free agents, in addition to an unlikely agreement. Before anyone retorts, ” That ain’t gonna happen?”

Well, it happened in The NFL at the beginning of this current lock out. However, before Stern and the owners agree, it must be perceived as good-faith and not a muse/manipulation.

In short, if all parties agree to a two week extension, there could be a flurry of players released and signed.

Just a thought.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

June 27th, 2011
9:25 pm

“I tried to deal with that fallacy another way, but to know avail.”

I served with avail, I knew avail, avail was a friend of mine, and Steve you’re no avail….Lloyd Bentsen paraphrase for who need to no.

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
9:30 pm

Dept. – Got me! Great – thanks

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

June 27th, 2011
9:31 pm

SteveW,

Know problem.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

June 27th, 2011
9:32 pm

N-Trigue

June 27th, 2011
9:37 pm

MC was Jeremy Hazel in attendance at the mini camp? Hope he was and if so any indication in how he performed?

Grandmaster JeJe

June 27th, 2011
9:46 pm

drmaryb (*_*)

June 27th, 2011
9:50 pm

Sign Me Up!

And, before anyone retorts, “We can’t sign anyone until we know the new CBA rules, hard cap number will be lower – stuff?”

That’s a cop – out! Any deals signed under an extension will be grandfathered under the current CBA. I’m not talking about blockbuster deals or max contracts … I’m a reasonable woman.

I’m looking at: veteran minimums, MLE and TPE’s. Not only that, there will be an amnesty clause (it’s plausible), or rules exceptions to transition the old contracts and allow the new rules to mesh into one another over a 3 to 5 year grace period.

I’m just hoping.

___________________

ant banks!

What’s up baby boy! I wrote an awesome post yesterday off the cuff in re: to this blog decorum, high quality posters and the vast variety of talent.

(The bloginator ate my words), but, I had come to the opinion that we have so many levels of greatness on this blog that it’s impossible to elevate just one or two, three of us! We have ebbs and flows and slumps in each and everyone of us! I have come to love and appreciate every single blogger on here.

Even, the Blog Troll that jack’s I’d’s and single handedly has shut down the blog, holds a special place in my heart. The trolle lurks and attacks and sometimes makes useful contributions. He once made me cry, angry, rant and now – he just makes me laugh while smh.

In other words: you, they, them, we, me and us are all great! But, most importantly, we are all different – and that my friend:

That Is just too much Good – Stuff!

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
10:00 pm

Dept. – Knight, knight, if I knead more correction’s, let me no.

hawksfancents95

June 27th, 2011
10:11 pm

bloggers i dont wana have to even try to monitor a conversation between grown men/women but lets try to keep this blog focused on the hawks instead of personal attacks on each other, lets agree to disagree.
some like al some like josh

as for minicamp day 1, i like what i hear from david lighty. some people advocated for him to be picked at #48, and as luck would have it we would be able to draft a project center(im glad his biggest critique is lack of weight) and maybe be able to sign lighty as a FA anyway. Lighty liked our style of play? ha! if lighty is our gritty defender than we dont need to bring damien back. its nice to see a wilkins in a hawks jersey but he is going to be 31 in a few months and we mine as well insert a determined rookie instead who can play with that same defensive fire and possibly give us some offense/potential as well.
pg-teague/kirk
sg-joe/sy/lighty
sf-josh/marvin…ugh/?
pf-horford/rolle/?
c-zaz/kito/collins

My earlier post i asked if anyone would trade marvin for travis outlaw, would anyone consider that?
id still like to sign a FA PF to backup AL. as well as maybe a SF, thornton,moon,dunleavy?

The Truth

June 27th, 2011
10:13 pm

Rod:
“I really am not interested in most of these guys except Benson. Most won’t make the team, and if they do they will fill the Josh Powell, Etan Thomas roles on this team, which means all we will see of them is their fashion sense. No interest of mine.”

Honestly, Rod since I didn’t follow college basketball that closely during the regular season, I can somewhat relate to your comment. But since it is the off-season following a draft in which the Hawks only had the 48th 2nd-round pick and now holding a mini-camp to salvage a questionable Hinrich trade, this event is what it is. Any pickups from this camp essentially becomes our 2011 draft picks; having said that though; there is another drama here to keep me interested. For me, the focus is more about LD and his plans to re-tool and his maturation as a decent HC. This clearly puts the spotlight on both him and Sund. These invitees just happen to be a peripheral part of that process. It is your typical NBA draft experience followed by future expectation more so than past events.

Will any of the selected invitees get meaningful PT? Probably not (for awhile), but again, it is what it is

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
10:16 pm

Ages of signed players for next season:

Hinrich 30/31

JJ 30

ZaZa 27/28

Josh 25/26

Magnum 25/26

Al 25

Marvin 25

Sy 23/24

Teague 23

Benson 23 (I know he’s not signed, assuming he will be)

That’s 10 guys. Our oldest guy under contract will turn 31 during the middle of next season. 2 of our 3 best players will still only be 25 when the season starts in Al and Josh.

Even if we re-sign Collins, who will turn 33 in December, we are not an old team. Still kind of young actually.

6 of our 10 signed players or draft pick will be 25 or younger when the season starts.

I say we have a long way to go before we reach our ceiling.

Look at Dallas this season. They’ve been flailing since ‘06, and then win with a bunch of old guys leading the way.

The Lakers and the Celtics look ancient compared to us. Even Chicago looks older. Bogans and Korver are in their 30’s, and Boozer will turn 30 Nov. 20th. Noah,

SteveW

June 27th, 2011
10:18 pm

Completed last post:

Noah, Brewer, and Deng turn 27 next season, Watson is 27, and Taj is 26.

We’re younger than Chicago, Miami, and def. younger than the Celtics.

We still have alot of room and potential to grow, if we will.

Terrell

June 27th, 2011
10:19 pm

ant banks

Benson went to college at 6′9 and 190 and left at 6′11 224. He was putting on weight, but in college you can’t just focus on basketball. The weight and conditioning coaches are different at the college ranks than they are at the pro ranks where that is their primary focus. He can now worry only about his job which is playing basketball.

drmaryb (*_*)

June 27th, 2011
10:29 pm

terrell (don’t call me te-relle)!

Also, in college these athletes are hungry as a hostage. They just don’t have the necessary resources (or maturity level), to buy organic foods, supplements and protein shakes.

These guys eat: pizza, wings, fries and candy (etc.) At the end of the day, they’re just kids.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2011
10:29 pm

If Damien Wilkins is not resigned, ‘Nique will be upset. After all, who is he going to give unconditional praise to during the game?