Atlanta Hawks: Minicamp Day 1
Notes and quotes from League (Pre) Lockout . . .
Lighty is a live one. (Phil Skinner / pskinner@ajc.com)
- Before you ask: I didn’t get to see much live action. Media types got to see about 15 minutes of scrimmage at the end of the morning practice. So please hold your “How did [overlooked gem] look?” questions.
- I didn’t get to see Keith Benson scrimmage at all. When practice was opened, he was with a group that was off lifting weights. He does indeed look thin.
- The Hawks won’t be able to sign any players out of this camp because they have no open roster spots after signing Magnum Rolle. Their free agents technically don’t become free agents until Friday, but we know why that’s not going to happen.
- Whenever the Hawks can sign players, it sounds as if they will make a run at David Lighty. The Hawks worked him out before the draft.
- L.D.: “Lighty is a gutsy defender. He can defend maybe three positions. That is what we are looking for as we move into next summer. I want guys that can defend where it’s already instilled in him, it’s in their DNA. Lighty has been a tremendous defender throughout his career and certainly he would be a plus to have on this team.”
- Lighty on defense: “That is something where you help separate yourself from others. Everybody wants to see somebody score but the little things are what win basketball games. I try to focus on that.”
- Lighty said the Cavaliers, Pistons, Suns, Spurs and Hornets also wanted to bring him in. Why the Hawks? “It was about [looking at] teams that I would like and fit my style of play,” he said. “They have open spots and they have free agents at the two guard.”
- Lighty said he was less upset about not being drafted than were his family, friends and supporters. “For me, I’m the type of person if I have a goal I am going to reach it no matter what and I’m not going to stop until I do. I was a little down; I’m human. That was my dream and my goal to get drafted. And hear my name called, that was the big thing. I will play in the NBA one day. I won’t stop until I get there.”
- L.D. echoed Rick Sund in saying the Hawks want to bring back Twin. They seem less certain about Damien. “We are still taking about it,” L.D. said. “We haven’t made any decisions there. We will see what happens.”
- L.D. said the Hawks have “got to put a little meat on [Benson's] bones.” Benson said he’s ready: “They have good weight coaches here so I can put a lot of focus on that and plan out my meals. My main focus will be to put weight and strength on.”
- Benson said he thinks he can maintain his athleticism with another 15 to 20 pounds on his frame.
- L.D. on Benson: “He’s a really good kid. We did a background check on him and he’s one of the quality kids at the collegiate level.”
- Benson plans to hook up with fellow Detroit Country Day alum C-Webb, who lives in town. “I have his number. I’m going to reach out.” Benson played under Webber’s brother, Jason, who is an assistant coach at DCD.
- Peachtree Ridge product Jason Graham also worked out for the Hawks before the draft. “Graham can really shoot the basketball,” Drew said. “I didn’t know about him but watching some film on him and working him out, he can make shots.”
- When the topic turned to Al playing more power forward, L.D., like Sund, started talking more about versatility as a virtue than adding a full-time center: “The more versatile we are, it keeps the other team guessing a little bit. We did move Al around a lot last year. We moved Josh around. Joe played some three. Having a verstaile team makes us more potent.
- The word from multiple NBA people over the last few days is there was nothing much to that Josh to Minnesota trade rumor on draft day.
- But David Aldridge reports (about halfway down the page) there was something to that SI.com story on the imminent sale of of the Hawks.
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O'Brien
June 27th, 2011
10:32 pm
I feel bad for Josh and Al, because the only NBA coaches they have played for is Woody and LD.
If they had better coaches, they might all be further along in their careers, and be better players.
I dont feel bad for Marvin, because only Marvin (and “it was not a bad pick”) can make marvin better.
EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)
June 27th, 2011
10:39 pm
@O’Brien
I think that’s kind of unfair to say about Marvin. If we are to say that Josh and Al would improve under a more expirenced coach, whose to say Marvin wouldn’t.
And vice versa,
If only Marvin can make Marvin better……then why can’t Josh and Al make Josh and Al better?
drmaryb (*_*)
June 27th, 2011
10:45 pm
Rod from CP!
Excellent post from the previous blog! Brilliant work. (*_*)
I really enjoyed reading all the stats and facts. I read it twice.
Booo!
June 27th, 2011
10:56 pm
Trade Marvin for Rip Hamilton and use the MLE on Tayshaun prince. Bring back collins, Powell, and Hilton
Booo!
June 27th, 2011
10:57 pm
Also, Sign Al Thorton (UFA). He is better than damien.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 27th, 2011
11:03 pm
Marvin would likely have benefited from better coaching the same way Smoove and Al would. But at the same time, Smoove and Al have noticeably improved their games independent of coaching over the course of their careers while Marvin, aside from improving his shooting range after his third season, is pretty much the same player he was in 2005 when he got drafted.
Grandmaster JeJe
June 27th, 2011
11:10 pm
THIS POST IS IN HONOR OF MY MENTOR WORLDWIDE CLYDE THE GLIDE
FIRE RICK SUND
Big Ray
June 27th, 2011
11:16 pm
Sale of Hawks looking legit
The story concerning the imminent sale of the Hawks by SI.com last week is pretty much on the money, the team’s denials to the contrary. The sale is close to being completed, though it won’t be finalized in time for an approval vote by the Board of Governors at its meeting Tuesday in Dallas. There is a single, and up to now, anonymous buyer, according to a source. The amount? I’m told it’s in the neighborhood of $300 million, including debt on the team. The team’s current ownership group, Atlanta Spirit, is expected to remain on in a minority ownership capacity, according to the source, who’s been briefed on the terms of the pending transfer.
Another group led by the founders of the Outback Steakhouse chain in Florida also put in a bid on the team, according to a source, though it’s unclear how much they put up or if they were ever seriously considered …
You know, every time David Aldridge says something, it’s legit. Therefore, I believe this report is true. And I’m damn glad to see it.
Meanwhile….
Humorous back and forth between SteveW and Dept. of Unintended Irony
Good stuff.
So math was Rod’s worst subject. Ok, I just can’t go there, I just can’t….
Big Ray
June 27th, 2011
11:18 pm
I feel bad for Josh and Al, because the only NBA coaches they have played for is Woody and LD.
If they had better coaches, they might all be further along in their careers, and be better players.
I dont feel bad for Marvin, because only Marvin (and “it was not a bad pick”) can make marvin better.
Truth, truth, and more truth…
Not sure why it is that Sund and Co. have to think about whether or not to keep Damien Wilkens around. Do they have another SG/SF who can defend that well, that can also hit a shot or two and doesn’t hurt you when he’s in the game (while also not complaining about minutes)?
drmaryb (*_*)
June 28th, 2011
12:12 am
Monday, June 27 – 11:54 PM EDT
NBA – Pro Basketball: Horford to adjust his game, position next?
Posted: Sun, Jun 26, 11 – 8:11:07 PM EDT

Al Horford Credit: Getty Images
Source: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Al Horford is a huge man just about everywhere other than his current place of employment. [When] Horford returns to the court to play center for the Hawks, he’s considered undersized for his position. For the second consecutive offseason, an emerging storyline is if the Hawks will add a full-time center so Horford can permanently slide to his preferred power forward position. But the bigger question might be if Horford will figure larger in Atlanta’s offense in 2011-12. Horford was by far the team’s most efficient scorer last season but ranked just fourth in field-goal attempts per game. “It will be interesting because I’ve always been very team-oriented,” Horford said at his camp. “If coach [Larry Drew] comes and tells me, ‘Listen, I want you to develop more [in isolation] and I want you to create plays,’ I could adjust my game to that.”
Slimjr
June 28th, 2011
12:19 am
All NBA Al will get abused at the 4….Awesome……
Al or Josh will be traded next year….
Slimjr
June 28th, 2011
12:21 am
““If coach [Larry Drew] comes and tells me, ‘Listen, I want you to develop more [in isolation] and I want you to create plays,’ I could adjust my game to that.”
What if he don’t?
Worldwide Clyde
June 28th, 2011
12:40 am
The new owners of the Hawks are Slim and Baby from Cash Money Records.
drmaryb (*_*)
June 28th, 2011
1:00 am
Single White Male!
Never sounded so good, when compared to 8 feces throwing orangutans!
A single vision for this franchise is like X-Mas in June. I just hope the mystery guy sits behind the team bench (like Cuban), wearing a Worldwide Clyde T-Shirt, a pair of Shaq sized Chuck Taylors (size 23), with a jar of vaseline in a black duffle bag.
And, when the referees, GM, players and coaches MUCK up? I hope our mystery man greases the tip of his left shoe and stick it where the sun don’t shine!
This city, these fans – We deserve a WINNER. As for the ASKG minority shares, I can only have hopes and dreams that it measures 7% collectively.
They should be the equivalent of 8 wizards hiding behind a curtain with no buttons to push. Better yet, they can sit on the observation deck of
The Starship Enterprise and push those fake lighted buttons on that cardboard panel and go warp speed where no man has ever gone before.
Beam them up Scottie! Thank God the fairy tale is almost over, we fans can wake up like Dorothy in Kansas and realize the ASKG characters were all part of a terrible nightmare. Between the 8 orangutans, they collectively have:
No Heart
No Brain
No Courage
And now, No Home. The End and Good Writtens.
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The minute they unloaded the Thrashers (dead weight), the stand alone basketball team and Philips Arena became an asset and less of a liability to the new owner. We need a Mogul not a Conglomerate!
Single -vs- Group? Duuuh …
2 FOR JOHN DREW
June 28th, 2011
2:10 am
Ditto drmaryb …. The very charm & constant allure of this blog …. is it’s variety !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PD
June 28th, 2011
3:19 am
I agree with Rod keep Smoove trade Al for Haywood
vava74
June 28th, 2011
4:10 am
I sincerelly don’t understand why this continued criticism of JJ after these year’s playoffs.
The guy showed up, on both ends of the court. Was just a notch under his averages and was fundamental on all wins we got.
If someone was a major disappointment during the playoffs, that guy was Diaper Al who was exposed as a one dimensional offensive player which has no balls and shies away from the contact that playoff basketball implies.
If you were thinking that JJ by signing a 100+ million contract would suddenly morph into Kobe or Wade, think again. He was never that type of player, but he still is a heck of a player ON BOTH ENDS of the floor.
Good grief… We went into the playoffs with a perimeter oriented offense, guided by LD who was thoroughly out coached, Diaper Al doesn’t show up (with the exception of garbage rebounding), Jamal disappears after game 1 of the CHI series and JJ gets the flak??
JJ, Teague, Josh and Zaza kept us afloat and competitive against CHI.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 28th, 2011
4:13 am
The Hawks can probably get Haywood for Marvin. No need to give up Al.
If future salary flexibility is not a concern, Marvin for Haywood makes a lot of sense for the Hawks — and really for the Mavs too, since it saves them money long term and gives them a replacement small forward in case Caron Butler leaves. The only problem is that Haywood has a ton of years and money left on his deal, and as long as the DASG owns the team that probably means they either won’t consent to the trade or will dump some other salary to accommodate Haywood.
Grandmaster JeJe
June 28th, 2011
7:32 am
Najeh,
I love that trade, but why would Dallas do it? I’m sure they’re gonna resign Caron, plus Haywood is a rugged 7 footer in this league
vava74
June 28th, 2011
8:02 am
Haywood will be 32 in November and you should all be aware that he is an old 32 since he is known for his work ethic and for taking care of his body.
He is the impersonation of the word “overrated”.
He hardly played in the finals (due to injury) and the Mavs hardly felt his absence. Cardinal was 10 times more valuable for them than Haywood would have been if he was available.
To dump Marvin’s bad contract and get an even worse? Good grief, no thanks.
vava74
June 28th, 2011
8:02 am
“not known for …”
Jack
June 28th, 2011
8:10 am
Hawks, please give Omar Samhan a chance. He’s actually carried a college team and has good rebounding numbers. He seems like the type of player we would find a reason to cut, but who another team with a long history of winning would pick up and turn into a significant contributor.
drmaryb (*_*)
June 28th, 2011
8:16 am
Philips’ 43-night problem: lots of dates to fill, too much competition
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Downtown Atlanta is no longer the region’s only place for major event space and that logistical fact will make it more challenging to fill the 43 days suddenly available at Philips Arena because of the departure of the Atlanta Thrashers.
“Williams said the facility will target concerts, family shows, rodeos, figure skating shows, gymnastics meets, bull riding, multi-day events and big name sports contests like the NCAA basketball tournament. He’ll also be able to place the Atlanta Hawks in some of the Thrashers’ weekend dates, which attract bigger crowds.”
“Still Conlon said Philips will have challenges because there is no one easy answer. They may pick up a few concerts that would have passed them by, had the Thrashers still be tenants. But in the prevailing market conditions, this doesn’t mean a flood of business either”
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Just a few key excerpts from an interesting article posted this morning. I posted very similar comments immediately after the Thrashers sale. I believe it was KevinM or SteveW? That chimed in as well.
This is of interest to me because, if the Arena is blacked out for the remaining 324 days of the year, (The Dream making money is a …. well, A Dream) Then such a loss in revenue will bleed money and impact the business of the Hawks.
There is no way around that. When you look at the socioeconomics of the world today, disposable income and near 10% unemployment along with similar NBA team markets?
Atlanta Spirit Group has benefited from the Thrashers revenues, not just inside the Arena, but restaurants, hotels, public transportation and arena jobs opportunities. I know that ASKG had reported 20M in losses from funding the Thrashers, but do we really believe these LIARS? They lost 20M solely because they were in over their collective heads and never had a CLUE how to run ONE sports franchise on a competitive level – let alone TWO!
Good Bye ASKG! Your work here is DONE!
Your claim to fame will forever be: The single reason why The Dollar Tree 2′ X 2′ cardboard 2 for $1 bargain bin filled with “Just Too Much Good – Stuff!”
Who Knew @ The Dollar Tree Corporate Offices, that the cardboard box would prove to be such a great marketing tool for them?
Who Knew, that would draw some mega millionaires of the NBA?
drmaryb (*_*)
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
And speaking of my prediction that, Stern, the owners and the players will agree to a two week extension beyond June 30 to stave off a lockout and try to reach an unlikely agreement?
I levied that prediction with the fact that The NFL did that prior to their current lock out. I failed to mention that the Phoenix Suns and Vince carter extended their decision for what, 2 months? Before deciding if Phoenix will exercise their team option to retain Vince @ 15M or simply offer him a buyout @ 4M.
The reference to Vince Carter offers a very reasonable example to my theory that: good faith negotiations is not a necessary component to extending the current CBA agreement.
Here’s my point: teams can begin to release unwanted FAs and sign bench players with their veteran minimum, TPEs and MLE contract options. I doubt if any prudent GM would forge any blockbuster trades or max – contracts until the new CBA is in place.
The Hawks GM can release: Powell, Armstrong and Thomas, then look at the camp players or other FA’s aggressively before they end up at the Dollar Tree sifting through the bottom of that bargain bin again.
Aye Sund! For the love of basketball, buy a computer and go get your man! Don’t wait around – Just in case their is an extension to this lock out. Be prepared for any and all possibilities.
Stop hiding behind the new CBA excuse. Do your job!
Vince Carter
Tracy McGrady
Ben Wallace
Allen Iverson
Aaron Gray
Haywood
Camp Invites
Go for it!
Slimjr
June 28th, 2011
8:45 am
Dont like the Haywood for All NBA AL senario.
How bout Tito jr for LaMarcus Aldridge? You give up a guy who cant help you in crunch time for a guy who should be an Allstar, can impact a game with his skills and will be an Allstar if he played on the East Coast?
Atlanta Hawks 2010-11 Team Stats:
Offensive: 103.2 (21st)
Defensive: 104.6 (15th)
Thats improvement?? lol
Hawks: All-Time NBA Record (NBA and BAA): 2420-2492 (.493) (includes 2010-11 season)..Wow..
Ken Strickland
June 28th, 2011
8:58 am
With the team up for sale, there’s no way anyone will be traded before the team is sold. I’m not certain a new owner would be willing to approve the trade of a valuable asset like JSmith, AHorford or JJohnson so close to training camp, and with the CBA expiring. I think all of these trade rumors were smoke screens to keep TRADE FANATICS excited and tuned in during the off season.
Unless JTeague simply blows everyone away during training camp and preseason, LDrew will start KHinrich, along with SG-JJohnson, SF-MWilliams, C-AHorford & PF-JSmith. I believe LDrew, like his predessor MWoodson, still has visions of a guard dominated, jumpshooting, half court oriented OFF team.
And since Hinrich is more efficient in a half court style OFF than running fastbreaks, and has superior jumpshooting ability, he’ll become LDrew’s new version of MBibby, which should also please JJohnson.
doc
June 28th, 2011
9:14 am
dmb witha cba pending and no basketball for a while the situation becomes darker. the thrashers might have been the only game in town next year if they had not been sold for a song. heard 120 folks lost jobs recently because of the sale af the thrashers. that info gets lost.
meanwhile in l a the dodgers say the divorce and bankruptcy has no effect on how the team is run. well it seems they have the sam pr department as the hawks and a brand even bigger than the hawks and askg is to be smeared beyond recognition. so sad, oh yeah i am sure there is someone out there that will say it is the fans fault for not coming and watching an inferior product while spending big league dollars to do so.
just say no to haywood. he is like a drug for some of you guys, big promises early but only problems once you find out the high doesnt last and it takes more money and effort to maintain it.
vava74
June 28th, 2011
9:16 am
Ken Strickland,
I don’t think JJ is on the “Hinrich as a starter” bandwagon.
JJ was very vocal in support of Teague and both meshed well during the CHI series making our back court more dynamic and more diversified in the way they played.
In theory, JJ needs another guard who is a sharp shooter to which he can kick out after a failed ISO but with Teague on the floor we will see teams having to defend the Hawks differently since Teague can carve those defenses and make some serious damage and JJ knows that.
Teague – Hinrich – JJ can make a very very potent 3 man rotation on the back court.
vava74
June 28th, 2011
9:18 am
And, honestly, if Hinrich gets 30 minutes per game backing both Teague and JJ, I am sure he will be happy.
There are 96 back court minutes. Divide that for 3 and you see 3 guys happy.
vava74
June 28th, 2011
9:19 am
And you see 96 minutes of solid perimeter D from our back court.
drmaryb (*_*)
June 28th, 2011
9:20 am
* typos galore
Slimjr
June 28th, 2011
9:21 am
With Sund as the GM there is absolutely nothing to get excited about..we can only hope this new owner will come in here and clean house..
It is desperately needed..barely above .500 team record with the 7th highest payroll means heads need to roll asap….
Its fools gold to think that all of a sudden the guards are going to be able to carry the team for the whole season with or without JC1.In this league you need quality bigs too shoulder some of the burden..Time and again we saw none of the bigs except for brief moments in crunch time step up and make an impact.
You lose to Charlotte by 33 points? Huh?
Sund gave up way too much for Hinrich..
Teague needs to start for this team but watch Larry screw up the obvious and insert the other guy in there…..
The streak will continue………..Blah..
Ken Strickland
June 28th, 2011
9:24 am
Here’s yet another example of a poorly thought out suggestion which was motivated by a very low basketball IQ combined with a dislike for all things Horford. If we traded AHorford for LAldridge, who is a very good player,
1-Who plays center, since LAldridge is a PF?
2-What do we do with current PF JSmith?
3-How can Aldridge improve our team over Horford when he doesn’t rebound as well, which is an issue with us, or do anything better than Horford other than score?
4-If you think Horford is soft, have you seen Aldridge play?
5-If you think Horford relies too much on shooting jumpshots and doesn’t have a good postup gm, have you seen Aldridge play?
Slimjr
June 28th, 2011
9:26 am
Good morning Grumpy!
Slimjr
June 28th, 2011
9:30 am
Hey Ken take your IQ and shove it player. How many times will I have to repeat myself??????
Ken Strickland
June 28th, 2011
9:39 am
VALVA-good point. Teague’s speed, quickness and penetrating ability can do more damage to a double teaming DEF than us always trying to shoot over them. We’ve tried that failed approach for the last 7yrs. With Teague starting, we’ll finally having the same quick, fast, athletic, penetrating PG that’s caused us so much trouble over the yrs.
With JJ and Teague, we’ll now have 2 starters that DEF’s will have to account for on every possession.
It was not a bad pick
June 28th, 2011
9:43 am
@Rod from College Park
..You failed to mention a couple of key stats..1,325 is the number of TURNOVERS that Josh has made in his career, that is almost 3 a game, Al has had only 481 in his career…497-1,041 is what Josh shot last year, which is too much, Al was 513-921 which equals out to 53%…7 boards a game is awful for a STARTING PF in the NBA…Al, playing center at 6ft 8 is a double double most nights!.You made a solid point about the Free Throws, but you failed to mention that Josh is not a good FT shooter, Al is better at that also…factor in the the horrible shot selection by Josh, and Al is a better basketball player, Josh is more exciting, but it is a reason why josh has found no takers on the trading block.
O'Brien
June 28th, 2011
9:45 am
It is possible that Marvin would improve under a different coach. But did woody and LD cause him to regress?
Does (lack of) coaching make you miss open shots (unlike Josh, Marvin is a True SF and has a good stroke), does (lack of) coaching make you disappear, does (lack of) coaching make you fumble and stumble, does (lack of) coaching make u unable to take advantage of mismatches?
I think Josh would benefit the most from a new coach because he didn’t have a college coach, but he and Al have improved mostly on their own, whereas I think Marvin regressed mostly on his own.
drmaryb (*_*)
June 28th, 2011
9:45 am
Just Say No!
doc! How you durin’ baby boy?
Yeah, I don’t like Haywood either. I’m tired of always getting hand me downs and washed up players in the A.
Don’t we deserve a WINNER? Some fresh beef? LOL!
doc, what we always get to hold down the end of our bench is the equivalent of a man who has been married and divorced 7 times.
They always say, “That bytch was crazy!” He He …
DS
June 28th, 2011
10:16 am
I know this has been brought several times already…but Nene doesn’t look like he’s gonna sign w/Denver after all. They are definitely not gonna reup Kmart, so maybe a sign and trade of Nene for Josh Smith?
DS
June 28th, 2011
10:17 am
By the way, I’m not on the bandwagon of trade Josh or Al…I’m just pointing out one trade scenario that could benefit us.
doc
June 28th, 2011
10:22 am
maybe why josh hasnt been traded is that other gm’s see some of the same flaws we do?
i still like josh a lot but to get something we need of value moght be a miss match in the long run. unless you send marvin with him it is impossible to get fair trade value, i.e. addition by subtraction of marvin with a player that can take his load. even mo evans filled that spot until his knee op went bad. geez, it cant be that hard to substitute something for marvin once gone the way he has disintegrated right before our eyes and yes bad coaching can cause it as well.
Slimjr
June 28th, 2011
10:23 am
Ex: LOW BB IQ! And A Paid Professional at that?
Your Buddy BiIly the “Self Proclaimed Basketball Expert” Knight,
Drafted Marvin Williams over A 1st Ballot Hall of Fame player, CP3
Drafted Josh Childress over Lou Aldang and Andre Iguodala
Drafted Sheldon Williams over Rondo, Rudy Gay and Brandon Roy
If he had the second pick in 07, he probably would have took ALLStar Al over Kevin Durant
Yea whatever Genius…lol scroll on….
42,43,44,45,46……….
drmaryb (*_*)
June 28th, 2011
10:37 am
Knight – Knight!
Goo Kinght Billy, prolly’ would have selected ODEN over Durant and told us Kevin was too skinny. After all, he brought CP3 in here for a work out and said, “Paul was too short/smallish!”
To hell with: talent, skills, proven track records, character and ability.
To be fair to Billy though, I doubt he ever had true autonomy. Them 8 orangutans were definitely taking votes on who to pick and over riding all GM decisions. That’s why Billy QUIT!
They never really let him do his job without meddling. Who really knows? I’ll just soil my pants when this nightmare soon ends.
It was not a bad pick
June 28th, 2011
10:38 am
O’Brien
June 28th, 2011
9:45 am “I think Josh would benefit the most from a new coach because he didn’t have a college coach, but he and Al have improved mostly on their own, whereas I think Marvin regressed mostly on his own.”
Marvin has regressed due to COACHING…He has proved that he can be a 15ppg scorer on a playoff team, Jamal, josh and joe Max all hog the ball, imagine if the Hawks actually went to Al on a regular basis!..imagine if Marvin got 15 shots a game, he would easily be a 20ppg scorer for the Hawks!.Marvin and Al have been held back due to coaching!
07-08 was the year Marvin showed everyone what he is capable of doing, and that year joe and josh shot too many shots, Marvin should have been around 18ppg
07-08 ATL 80 80 34.6 0.462 0.100 0.822 1.5 4.2 5.7 1.7 1.0 0.4 1.59 2.81 14.8
BigTimeTechFan
June 28th, 2011
10:42 am
Hawks Starting 5 should be:
Teague PG
Johnson SG
Smith SF
Hortford PF
Benson C
Benson 1st year he can be like Anthony at Miami, Great help defender, If Center is real powerful like Howord, Use back center like they did yhis year, uses Collins and ZaZa. Benson has nice feel for game and can make shots so he may be a little better then Anthony. Then the next year he’ll be a Tyson Chanler level, got to let him play to grow. 3rd year he will be all-star.
Bench will be:
Hinrick
Crawford
Yi Jianlian Replaces M Williams
ZaZa
Collins
drmaryb (*_*)
June 28th, 2011
10:43 am
*Good Knight Billy …
Slimjr
June 28th, 2011
10:44 am
Allstar Al has a low turnover rate than Josh because he is not a facilitator. He cant create his own shot. He is a receiver with no creativity. He does one of two things with the ball. Shoot his midrange set shot or he passes the ball back out to Josh 80% of the time…With that style of play it is expected that he should have a lower turnover ratio……No surprises there….
rambover
June 28th, 2011
10:46 am
I’m impressed at the group the Hawks landed for minicamp. Lighty, Malcolm Thomas, McCamey and Wanamaker were all guys who justifiably could have been taken with the 48th pick. Seems like the Hawks and Heat got all the good UFAs.
Wish they could keep two of those players. They really need a guard like Lighty or Wanamaker who’s a good defender and can play more than one position. Right now Pape Sy is the 4th guard and there’s no 5th, so that’s scary. Sy has big upside, tho.
mountain_jim
June 28th, 2011
11:12 am
Sold yet? Sund gone yet?
Don’t allow him to trade Josh at all – he will get taken just like the Hinrich deal.
The mismanagement of assets and cap space under Sund has been incredibly bad. I hope the new owner(s) fire him the first day.
I