Atlanta Hawks: NBA draft live blog (Update: Hawks select Oakland U. center Keith Benson)

The Hawks are not on the verge of being sold. Josh Smith has not been traded yet, unless Rick Sund made a deal right before I just saw him get some chicken here in the team’s offices.

This is the place to talk about these things and any other developments throughout the night.

Oh, yeah, there’s also the draft. The Hawks have the No. 48 pick.

UPDATE: The Hawks selected Oakland (Mich.) University center Keith Benson.

Here’s his NBADraft.net profile. DraftExpress has an interview with Benson.

Below are some excerpts from Benson’s teleconference with reporters. I’ll update the blog after Sund comes out to talk.

UPDATE II:

  • Sund said the Hawks explored trading into the first round but didn’t want to get into specifics about those discussions, including the reports about Smith and the Timberwolves.
  • Hawks assistant GM Dave Pendergraft said the team had Benson rated as early second round. He said there wasn’t much temptation to draft Josh Selby because several other players who were available were rated above Selby and those players also better fit the team’s needs.
  • Pendergraft said Benson’s strengths include his athleticism, shot-blocking ability and scoring touch. His weaknesses are his strength, though Pendergraft said Benson is “wiry strong” and could put on some more weight. “I don’t think he will ever be 250 or 260 but he could be 235 or maybe a little bit more,” Pendergraft said. “The trend in the league is is more long, wiry athletic types.”
  • Pendergraft said he’s not concerned with the level of competition Benson faced because Oakland played a tough non-conference schedule. “It’s not like he’s just going to be overwhelmed,” Pendergraft said.
  • Hawks coach Larry Drew said Benson can play power forward and center.

KEITH BENSON

(questions about strength)

“I’ve been out in Vegas working out with the weight trainer there and getting stronger. I’ve put on about five pounds since the Chicago event. I’ve been working out three times a week, working every day to get stronger.”

(potential to add weight)

“I think I have the frame to put on a lot of weight. My game will really increase once I put on that weight and some strength. I think I can put on 20 or more pounds.”

(what he knows about the Hawks, why he thinks he’s a good fit and which Hawks does he look forward to playing with)

“I’m looking forward to playing with Al Horford. He’s developed into the really good ‘bigs’ in this league. I like watching Joe Johnson. They are an athletic team and I think I can contribute to that. They have some youth and like to get up and down. I watched them a lot this year.”

(how much did he weight when he got to Oakland, and what does he weigh now)

“I was 190 when got to Oakland, and 6-9. I grew a couple inches. And I’m about 224 now.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

967 comments Add your comment

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
7:32 pm

Minnesota takes D.Williams at #2. Utah takes Brandon Knight.

No moves after all the noise.

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
7:35 pm

Well I hope it is at least entertaining . . .

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
7:35 pm

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
7:35 pm

You would have to be an idiot not to take Derrick Williams #1.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:36 pm

One thing the NBA should change is having the draft in the same place every year. They should have it in the location of whoever has the #1 pick.

Macaroni Tony

June 23rd, 2011
7:38 pm

I hope that we don’t trade JS, for a guy who haven’t played in the league as of yet. I saw Kanter on youtube and he didn’t look that strong.

Reggie

June 23rd, 2011
7:39 pm

Ok leave it to Rick Sund to be eating instead of working out a deal to make his team better…its 7:26 and the draft starts at :730…he couldn’t get some chicken at 6:55?

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
7:39 pm

They should really simulcast this on NBA TV, so we aren’t stuck with the ESPN idiots. Also, they should not broadcast the analysis through the room speakers, because a lot of it is disrespectful on a night that should be a positive for the players . . .

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
7:39 pm

LOL, Reggie . . .

jhan

June 23rd, 2011
7:40 pm

I would have taken Williams.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
7:40 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:40 pm

“Also, they should not broadcast the analysis through the room speakers, because a lot of it is disrespectful on a night that should be a positive for the players . . .”

Nothing more so than when Jay Bilas called Smoove a bust. I am biased obviously as a Hawks fan but I can’t remember a more blatant instance of disrespect from one of these analysts on draft day.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:40 pm

I would have taken Williams too.

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
7:40 pm

I don’t think Irving is as good as John Wall, who is a poor defender and isn’t about to lead anybody to an NBA championship.

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
7:41 pm

Had the Cavs taken D.Williams, Minnesota would’ve thought thought harder about moving that #2 pick. But I just don’t see them doing much now other than taking D.Williams.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
7:41 pm

Now the clock watch with Josh….Does he or doesn’t he go to the ‘Wolves….

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:42 pm

If a Smoove trade is going to go down, it’s going to happen soon. If the Wolves taken Kanter we can start holding our breath.

kirkinga

June 23rd, 2011
7:42 pm

Will someone please hire Jon Barry to coach please? He is really trying hard to impress.

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
7:42 pm

Reggie

June 23rd, 2011
7:39 pm
“Ok leave it to Rick Sund to be eating instead of working out a deal to make his team better…its 7:26 and the draft starts at :730…he couldn’t get some chicken at 6:55?”

-

lmao

BrittishAnger

June 23rd, 2011
7:43 pm

Is it bad that I wanna hate Jon Barry as much as I hate Lebron James?

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
7:45 pm

The T’Wolves have been met with a number of deals for that #2 spot.

Odom + peices for their #2.
Iggy was dangled to the T’Wolves.
Monta Ellis.
The Bucks were rumored to give up Bogut + their #10 pick for that #2 pick.

J.Smith isn’t going anywhere.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:45 pm

Woj says Derrick Williams at #2.

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
7:46 pm

Done deal.

For Hawks fans, call it a night. Nothing happening here.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
7:46 pm

No Josh trade – at least yet

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
7:47 pm

Cleveland could have taken Williams and had an elite scorer to replace LeBron James, but instead they bought into the hype and picked a slow point guard. What a disaster for Cleveland.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
7:47 pm

#48 will be around 11:00 pm guys, long wait for E’twaun Moore or somebody else like that.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
7:48 pm

T-Wolves aren’t complete idiots after all. Heh.

BrittishAnger

June 23rd, 2011
7:48 pm

Will another highly drafted Duke player bust as bad as Shelden Williams? Only time and a alcoholics intuition will tell…..

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
7:48 pm

Derrick Williams No. 2, so if Hawks really want Kanter they’ll have to find another partner

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
7:49 pm

T-Wolves must have known Cavs are idiots.

Anybody still unhappy that Chris Grant got the GM job in Cleveland, instead of here?

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
7:49 pm

Buddy – I think I agree. When the scouts are saying Irving is like Chris Paul, just not as good – that’s not a great sign.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
7:49 pm

Now I know the Hawks aren’t trading Josh to the T-Wolves. WOuld have loved Kanter and Beasley. -.-

Reggie

June 23rd, 2011
7:50 pm

Looks like the only deal Sund will be making is trading two wings and a side for a breast,thigh and biscuits to be made later….man im done… these guys are satisfied with getting to the second round of the playoffs.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
7:50 pm

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
7:50 pm

Millsap’s on the block.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
7:50 pm

Enes goes 3rd..

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:51 pm

Kanter at #3 to the Jazz. I guess that’s the Hawks’ potential “trade partner”.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
7:51 pm

cleveland really misfired on taking irving #1, they coulda got a starting small forward in derrick williams and with #4 take brandon knight or kemba who i think are both better than irving. ha with kanter gone cleveland has to be upset

jason

June 23rd, 2011
7:51 pm

So how do we get Kanter… They Already have a loaded frontcourt. So it makes no sense.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
7:51 pm

Not a fan of Sund but people he can’t make a deal if people are willing to be trade partners?

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
7:52 pm

how the hell are they going to announce Kanter as coming from Kentucky?

/kuck fentucky

chartez

June 23rd, 2011
7:52 pm

cmon rick les get a deal done

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
7:52 pm

Najeh ,

Doubting it, but what do I know….

What’s scary is Sund’s historic man crush on big men…an unsuccessful history, that is.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
7:53 pm

Why do I get the feeling Sund is after some less highly sought after big man in this draft? Maybe I should take a nap until the middle of the second round…

chickenman

June 23rd, 2011
7:53 pm

trade not.. i think we got our shock value with the falcons lol JULIOOO… maybe julio can join the hawks …

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:54 pm

“Anybody still unhappy that Chris Grant got the GM job in Cleveland, instead of here?”

Sund hasn’t exactly set the world on fire himself. Let’s not forget Grant orchestrated maybe the best trade of the trade deadline in February, trading Mo Williams for Baron Davis and what ended up being the #1 overall pick. I can’t see Sund ever doing something that creative.

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
7:54 pm

So disappointed right now, I guess I should be used to it by now.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
7:54 pm

Now gotta wait an hour plus minutes till the 48th pick

Ethan

June 23rd, 2011
7:54 pm

So what your saying is 90% of the fans will walk away tonight disappointed. I thought the cancer was going into remission. It turns out, its metastasized to the whole body. The Hawks are the beacon of eternal mediocrity. Im underwhelmed and not looking forward to next year…

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
7:55 pm

These so called analysts keep calling certain players “High Basketball I.Q.”, I mean it’s basketball not like you have to have a degree lol, I mean these guys have been playing ball since elementary school.

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
7:55 pm

“Anybody still unhappy that Chris Grant got the GM job in Cleveland, instead of here?”

Not I.

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
7:55 pm

Not that I ever wanted Chris Grant as GM of the Hawks.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:55 pm

“What’s scary is Sund’s historic man crush on big men…an unsuccessful history, that is.”

Exactly.

Thank God he’s not in position to pick the next Mouhamed Saer Sene.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
7:56 pm

@Big Ray

LOL

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:56 pm

“These so called analysts keep calling certain players “High Basketball I.Q.”, I mean it’s basketball not like you have to have a degree lol, I mean these guys have been playing ball since elementary school.”

Co-sign. It is even more annoying in football when they start talking about how smart quarterbacks are. Give me a break.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm

JVG is entertaining and insightful. The rest of these ESPN analysts are atrocious.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm

Upset Tristan Thompson goes #4

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
7:57 pm

oooooo tristan thompson is such a stretch..

GT Alum

June 23rd, 2011
7:58 pm

I was wondering the same thing Van Gundy just asked. Why do they clap for their own picks?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
7:58 pm

I would say Thompson is a reach, but Valanciunas looked incredibly unimpressive on his Youtube highlights. I still stand by my previous statement that the #3 pick and the #33 pick in this draft have an equal chance of developing into a good player. None of these guys is anything close to a sure thing.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
7:58 pm

toronto is goin knight

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm

This kid is a bust

Hawk Fan

June 23rd, 2011
8:00 pm

So we traded last years #1 (JC2) and this years #1 for our backup PG. Shame on the Hawks for not giving the ball to Jeff Teague before we were forced to by injury. We should have started the season by giving him the PG job; and giving Teague a chance to sink or swim.

GT Alum

June 23rd, 2011
8:01 pm

Ethan -

Well, most of us figured tonight would be pretty uneventful for the Hawks once we found out how the Hawks had overpaid for Heinrich, so it’s not really a surprise.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:01 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm

“how the hell are they going to announce Kanter as coming from Kentucky?

/kuck fentucky”

LOL

/picked Richmond over Louisville in the first round of the NCAA tournament

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:02 pm

^^meant Morehead State, not Richmond

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
8:03 pm

“Why do I get the feeling Sund is after some less highly sought after big man in this draft?”

Wish I knew who San Antonio was trying to trade into the lottery to pick.

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:03 pm

Toronto drafted Bargnani clone lol.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:03 pm

Valanciunas 2nd best center in the draft

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:04 pm

Its so hard being a fan sometime but all I can do is tough it out and hope for a dam championship before I freaking die.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:04 pm

I think he’s closer to being an Ilgauskas clone than a Bargnani clone. The Bargnani clone is the guy Flavor Flav wants the Hawks to draft after trading Al to Houston.

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm

LOL, this guy is very unintentionally hilarious . . .

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm

Please take the mic away from dude LOL

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:05 pm

You can tell he needs to learn more english

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:06 pm

That was almost as bad as the Ron Harper interview on ESPN.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:07 pm

Keirelinko gets drafted again?

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
8:07 pm

Brandon Knight dropping.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:08 pm

WHOOO winning a dunk contest????

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:08 pm

I think Kemba goes to the kings since they traded Udrih

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm

Interesting that nobody compares Jan Vesely to Tyrus Thomas. That’s what I see on all his highlights.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm

@Najeh: Et tu?

Boom Dizzle

June 23rd, 2011
8:09 pm

TNT please get the NBA Draft back…these clowns are Turrible…..

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:10 pm

My bad at my 8:08 post, they’re picking for charlotte

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:12 pm

That is a great name. I hope he has ten middle names like Mutombo too.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:12 pm

Biz Markie got drafted

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:13 pm

Three internationals in a row.

Blast

June 23rd, 2011
8:14 pm

Lol! Just cause it’s draft night and Hawks have the 48th pick, Sund cannot eat some dinner?

Wow! What a flurry it was on the previous blog about Josh Smith trade rumors. Some folks just get carried away with rumors!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:14 pm

Biyombo sounds like an English professor compared to Valanciunas and Vesely.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:14 pm

i like the bismack pick, him and tyrus thomas at 4 is a stellar athletic/long rotation.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:14 pm

Biz Markie has Defensive Player of the Year potential.

GT Alum

June 23rd, 2011
8:15 pm

So, most people watching this draft don’t know how to feel about these picks.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:15 pm

Coolest name in the NBA :D

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:16 pm

I think the Cavs threw their draft away big time.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:16 pm

As long as kids keep going with 1 and Done more International players will get drafted every year.

GT Alum

June 23rd, 2011
8:16 pm

So, Charlotte is going to have to do with Bismack what the Hawks did with Sy.

BrittishAnger

June 23rd, 2011
8:16 pm

@Luke Cage: The BIZ!

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
8:18 pm

“So, most people watching this draft don’t know how to feel about these picks.”

Hard to project these guys… not a star studded draft. I like the Biyombo pick as well for his defense and rebounding, but they can’t play him in the 4th quarter because of his shooting.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:18 pm

Brandon… Would have gone with Kemba but ok :D

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:18 pm

Wrong spot, too many PG’s in Detroit, he doesn’t look happy.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
8:18 pm

if Woody coaches Pistons, will he play Brandon Knight?

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:19 pm

Teague wouldve been top 3 in this draft.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:19 pm

Will Bynum, Stuckey, Gordon. Good luck getting minutes.

BEN

June 23rd, 2011
8:21 pm

MC, are you hearing anything else about trading smoove?

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:22 pm

With the 10th pick the Atlanta Hawks trade Rick Sund for a can of planters and a medium coffee.

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:22 pm

Michael Cunningham, if Larry Drew coaches Hawks, will he start Jeff Teague?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:23 pm

“if Woody coaches Pistons, will he play Brandon Knight?”

Can Knight spot up for 3s while he runs Iso-Rip Hamilton?

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:23 pm

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm

Charlotte goes with KEMBA

Section 303

June 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm

D@mn! Looks like there is no action tonight. Was really pulling for the Josh to Minny for the #2. Going to be a dull draft. Figures…Hawks do nothing to excite anyone.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:25 pm

Who’s Going to start? Kemba or Augustin?

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:26 pm

charlotte has had a better draft so far compared to cleveland. id take kemba over kyrie and i like bismacks size and length and even tho he has no O he is only 18? and can get better. id take bismack before i took tristan thompson as well. cleveland has got to be upset

Dap01

June 23rd, 2011
8:27 pm

Sund eating chicken. He is probably relaxing because he sold our second round pick for an exemption and a bucket of KFC.

It sucks to be a Hawks fan.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm

Jimmer going to the Kings.. Is he another Adam Morrison?

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm

Smart move by the Kings to trade down and still get the guy they wanted . . .

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm

@ Ben: “MC, are you hearing anything else about trading smoove?”

nope

@ Con Johnson: “Michael Cunningham, if Larry Drew coaches Hawks, will he start Jeff Teague?”

perhaps if he has no choice?

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm

Nawww Bucks, Jennings is way better Jimmer

ryan

June 23rd, 2011
8:30 pm

Charlotte making the most buzz in the draft Cam Newton and Kemba ASG snooze fest as always .

GT Alum

June 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm

Someone wake me up when Shump gets drafted.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm

I think this pick is going to Sacramento in that trade that brought the 7 pick to Charlotte.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm

jimmer to SAC? what the heck. how are they gona do jimmer and tyreke? the maloofs just took jimmer because he has a large fan base and they need the $. i guess jimmer at 1 and tyreke at 2, who else did sac get in that 3 way trade?

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:31 pm

Michael Cunningham, are you thinking mandate from GM/ownership or Hinrich trade?

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:32 pm

Tyreke i meant

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:32 pm

MC give Sund a message for me, put the chicken down and get creative to improve out team. Its obvious someone needs to be moved because this unit has maxed its potential unless starting Teague will change that. Im not point fingers at anyone but geez, when is it going to be Atl Hawks time.

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:32 pm

The NBA draft trade rules are so stupid. Why not give these guys the proper hats and have them look stupid on television?

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:33 pm

Kinda like David Lighty in the 2nd rd for the Hawks, will he or any other rookie get any burn for this team is the question!!

Ethan

June 23rd, 2011
8:33 pm

GT Alum -

I felt that way all the way up until today when I heard we were selling the team. Im more upset about that not being true. I also heard all the J-Smoove trade talk which enticed me because I think he is a mental cancer on the locker room. Neither of those things are happening. So therefore, Im underwhelmed…

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm

“how are they gona do jimmer and tyreke? the maloofs just took jimmer because he has a large fan base and they need the $. i guess jimmer at 1 and tyreke at 2, who else did sac get in that 3 way trade?”

Tyreke can pass and handle the ball. Jimmer can play the 2 for them next to Tyreke. That’s actually a pretty good fit.

Bucks got Stephen Jackson and the #19 pick from Charlotte, Beno Udrih from Sacramento
Kings got John Salmons and the #10 pick (Jimmer) from the Bucks
Bobcats got Corey Maggette from the Bucks and the #7 pick (Bismack Biyombo) from the Kings

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm

klay thompson is goin to GS

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:34 pm

thought in my head: “What did the inmates drop on Jimmer?”

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:35 pm

If I cut my balls off today Ill still have more than the entire hawks organization.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
8:36 pm

@ Con Johnson: “Michael Cunningham, are you thinking mandate from GM/ownership or Hinrich trade?”

naw, i was just making a joke about Teague not playing until Hinrich got hurt. i can’t see any way Drew doesn’t play Teague next season.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:36 pm

Monta to the Hawks??

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:37 pm

utah goin chris singleton devin harris gordan heyward derrick favors enis kanter is a good squad

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:37 pm

Klay was born rich lol

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm

Monta is definitely getting traded somewhere after that Klay Thompson pick. I still don’t think he’s a good fit for the Hawks.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
8:38 pm

@hawks 4 life: “MC give Sund a message for me, put the chicken down and get creative to improve out team. Its obvious someone needs to be moved because this unit has maxed its potential unless starting Teague will change that. Im not point fingers at anyone but geez, when is it going to be Atl Hawks time.”

ok, but you don’t mind if i grab some chicken, do you? it looks pretty good.

i think it’s reasonable to think both Teague and Al can be better. it’s going to take the Hawks getting away from being J.J.-centric, though, and i’m not sure if Drew can make such a big change to the culture.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:39 pm

hmmm… I wonder if any trades gonna go down as the draft continues..

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm

I understand about the “fit” part, just want someone thats not scared to go to the basket and get his own shot off since Crawford is about to bounce.

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm

Before the season started I couldn’t see any way Drew wouldn’t have Teague split the minutes somewhere around 40/60 (maybe even 50/50) with Bibby throughout the season. But I was fooled . . .

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm

MC of course LD cant change the culture, he has been there too long. Changing the culture comes from the outside not an assistant thats been with the team a while. Its 240am in Belgium and Im up hoping to see some genius move made. I refuse to get used to mediocrity but its getting harder every playoff and post season.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:42 pm

Kawhi Leonard is slipping farther than I thought he would.

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
8:43 pm

Burks has no shot and plays below the rim. Being 6-6 doesn’t make him an NBA 2-guard.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm

@najeh thanks
nvmd i guess gordan is gona play the three. i think phoenix goes khawi or singleton or marcus morris here.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm

@hawks 4 life: Belgium? sweet. send me a Chimay Blanche.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm

Mark Jackson is lying on national TV.

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm

Mama there goes that man that won’t be making the playoffs next year . . .

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm

LOL@CONservative Johnson

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:49 pm

@MC, whoa what do you know about Chimay. One of the few good things about Belgium is the variety of quality beer here.

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
8:50 pm

I would be happy with Jeremy Tyler.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:51 pm

rockets go jordan hamilton here. im surprised markieff went before marcus. everyone said marcus was better.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
8:53 pm

Well, it’s crunch time for Flavor Flav. It’s now or never to trade Al for the #14 pick and the poo poo platter from Houston.

Bigdawg`

June 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm

I guess you and DOL don’t mind being lied to by those fakes at the Atlanta “Dispirit!” The Hawks will be sold b/c Sports Illustrated has REAL sources, not the fools at AS! Losers!

Ole Hawk's Fan

June 23rd, 2011
8:54 pm

Is that Harry The Hawk that ASG is serving MC ?

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:55 pm

@hawks 4 life- i hope we can get jeremy tyler as well, he’d be that guy that can come in and play right away. if he is there in the early 2nd i hope we offer our #48 and next years 2nd to move up to grab him.

Sawyer

June 23rd, 2011
8:55 pm

Hey MC, I’m moving to Louisville in a few weeks. Any words of wisdom on da ville?

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
8:56 pm

The Rockets might be the only team that likes 6′9-ish forwards more than we do . . .

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
8:57 pm

@hawks 4 life: “@MC, whoa what do you know about Chimay.”

i know i’d rather be drinking one that sitting in this room covering this draft. cheers!

mark louis

June 23rd, 2011
8:57 pm

Why would you believe anything the Atlanta Spirit tells you? They’ve been liars from the minute they bought the Hawks & Thrashers.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
8:57 pm

@Ole Hawks Fan: “Is that Harry The Hawk that ASG is serving MC ?”

naw, but have to give ASG credit, it’s pretty good.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
8:58 pm

Guess no more trades will be made in the 1st rd

HawkKingBibby

June 23rd, 2011
8:58 pm

Glad Smoove didnt get traded for some project Euro big.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
8:59 pm

i definitley have indy drafting jordan hamilton here. i thought lance stephenson their last years first rounder would be a great nba player but off court issues hampered that. indy is set at PG-collison SF-granger and C-hibbert. they need help at 2

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm

The Hawks’ pick that was traded to Washington is 3 picks away. Very good chance Faried, Singleton, and Leonard will all be on the board at that point, and all of them could have helped the Hawks, even in this weak draft. Singleton and Leonard are nothing special but both are instantly better than Marvin.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:01 pm

Scratch Leonard, the Pacers just took him. A major glut of small forwards on that team now.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:03 pm

Leonard’s scouting report makes him sound a lot like Josh Childress.

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
9:04 pm

” i know i’d rather be drinking one
that sitting in this room covering this draft. cheers! ”

Well that about says it all.

Case closed.

john norris

June 23rd, 2011
9:04 pm

i like keith benson i would like to see him with the hawks
and get yao ming we need a center a big man inside

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
9:06 pm

Kawhi Leonard = ROY

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:07 pm

Leonard is going to the Spurs for George Hill.

Fundamentals

June 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm

Mark Jackson is trying to set the bar for his team in terms of expectations. They have good young talent, new owners, a new coach. Why can’t they strive for a goal other than settling for mediocrity? I admire him having a T-bag. Hats off to him.

Frustrating while we’re always afraid to push the bar higher.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm

@Sawyer: “Hey MC, I’m moving to Louisville in a few weeks. Any words of wisdom on da ville?”

if you like city life, live in Old Louisville, the Highlands or East Main Street.

do the downtown trolley hop.

tailgate at a Ville football game. it’s a good party.

go to the Derby infield. it’s an even better party.

go to a Ville basketball game. 22,000 every night.

get a burger at Original Ollie’s Trolley on 3rd street. get some beer at Bluegrass Brewing Company. eat pizza at Wick’s on Baxter Ave.

ignore Kentucky fans.

cp

June 23rd, 2011
9:09 pm

Stuart Scott is so corny. TNT or NBA TV need to start doing the draft. Thank God for the NFL network.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
9:10 pm

i dont understand that leonhard pick? unless granger moves to SG or maybe leonard comes of the bench for brandon rush. leonard is a good player though.
philly got a good backup C for hawes. if philly keeps A.I they are looking very promising next season.

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm

Singleton best player available I bet NY takes him.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm

Iman Shumpert to the Knicks. I love hearing Knicks fans boo.

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm

WOOOOOOWWWWWW

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:13 pm

Gotta love those NY Brick fans, always thinking its about them, enjoy watching them flop year after year, no matter who they draft, they are the same ole NY BRICKS!!!

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm

Dang SHumpurts gone..

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm

Ok blog peeps you’re on the clock… give us your Hawks pick if they didn’t trade it. I’ll take Singleton.

NickNafter79

June 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm

@Michael Cunningham, for things to do in Louisville, you forgot to eat at Porchini’s and order the 15 second table top dessert

Go Cats :)

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm

ok hawks lovers. id def take chris singleton if we had this pick.
teague joe singleton josh al
thats a good lineup. but if we had this pick our staring lineup would be
bibby joe singleton josh al. haha i liked the move by asg to bring in kirk. im happy with our team but not satisfied

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm

By the way Marshon Brooks completely duplicates Jordan Crawford for the Wizards. Both high usage, low efficiency scorers.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm

Hawks select David Lighty in the 2nd rd.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:16 pm

“Ok blog peeps you’re on the clock… give us your Hawks pick if they didn’t trade it. I’ll take Singleton.”

Faried. Easily.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
9:17 pm

@buddy- good mind

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:17 pm

Wizards are going to take Singleton, according to @SpearsNBAYahoo.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm

@NickNafter79: “@Michael Cunningham, for things to do in Louisville, you forgot to eat at Porchini’s and order the 15 second table top dessert

Go Cats :)

see what i mean, Sawyer? though it is probably best to avoid that dessert.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:19 pm

Man seems like most of these guys can’t score???

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:19 pm

Travis Leslie?

N.D.T.K.A.

June 23rd, 2011
9:19 pm

Hawks will take the big kid that played overseas, Tyler…

Funny all of the J. Smith smoke, but no fire. Trade L. Drew for a decent coach.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm

Not sure which is more exciting:

1) Being a mediocre team and seeing which bust we’ll take early in the lottery
2) Being a good team that gets embarrassed in the 2nd round every year

What do you all think?

BEN

June 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm

MC, so the Hawks are going to do NOTHING AGAIN?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:22 pm

“1) Being a mediocre team and seeing which bust we’ll take early in the lottery
2) Being a good team that gets embarrassed in the 2nd round every year”

We tried (1) for the first five years of the last decade. I think I like #2 better, as frustrating as it is.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 23rd, 2011
9:24 pm

Najeh, I agree, but all we had to do was get ONE of those drafts right

Think about if we had just taken Deng/Iggy ahead of Chills..I’m not even talking about the CP3 or B.Roy drafts

DAMNIT

FIRE SUND
FIRE LD

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:24 pm

Marshon Brooks, Donatas Montieunjas, and Kyle Singler are still avalible.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:25 pm

Some playoff team is going to be a lot better next year because Faried fell to them. Kinda like how the Spurs got better because DeJuan Blair fell to them.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:26 pm

Had to make a store run (wife sent me, you know how it is).

Catching up. Draft is boring me.

Najeh and Buddy Grizzard helping MC to make this worth hanging in there before epic fail draft pick by Hawks in the second round.

If not for those guys, I would continue to not be entertained….

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm

Guess Parker stays in San Antonio

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm

@jeje- definitley #2. id rather watch the hawks for an extra two weeks and see how they falter in the 2nd round than watch plenty of great players on the board and us blow it with a mediocre player and continually pay them

pacers trade kawhi leonard for george hill.

N.D.T.K.A.

June 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm

George Hill is a good p/u for the Pacers…..

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm

Brad Miller is going to Minnesota for Jonny Flynn.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm

There goes Motiejunas. Hopefully this is the last time his name gets posted on this blog.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm

I see the Spurs made their move…

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm

San Antonio just proved why their the Best.

Good job Najeh with the scoop.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm

George Hill switching area codes!!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm

They just called him a “conscientious objector on the glass”. LOL

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:31 pm

I say before the lockout there will be a flurry of trades

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm

“Good job Najeh with the scoop.”

I just follow the right people on Twitter, haha. @WojYahooNBA, @SpearsNBAYahoo, @KBerg_CBS, @chadfordinsider, @johnhollinger, and @SekouSmithNBA give me 99% of my breaking NBA news.

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
9:33 pm

Maybe we can go a whole page w/o louisville getting mentioned.

Whoops I screwed that up.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:33 pm

The full trade is Motiejunas and Jonny Flynn to the Rockets for Brad Miller. I am not a fan of either Motiejunas or Jonny Flynn but to get both of them for a washed up old center who still has two years left on his contract is a good move. At the very least each player has more trade value at this point in time than Miller.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:33 pm

Najeh, you hearing anything about the hawks on twitter?

cp

June 23rd, 2011
9:34 pm

Sund must really be enjoying that chicken.

ryan

June 23rd, 2011
9:34 pm

Way to go ASG do nothing boring draft .

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
9:34 pm

Najeh

I can’t spell tweeter !

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
9:34 pm

@Najeh: “Some playoff team is going to be a lot better next year because Faried fell to them. Kinda like how the Spurs got better because DeJuan Blair fell to them.”

if you recall, i was worried about him in the tourney because he’s a beast on the boards and that was the Ville’s weakness. and then he proceeded to punk the Ville on the boards. no offensive skills whatsoever (though he does run the floor pretty well) but i think he will have a solid career as an undersized banger/rebounder.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:35 pm

Stupid thing if the NBA has a lockout. They are already hurting for marquee players who can ring up the endorsements and capture the attention of the casual fan.

Unlike the NFL, the NBA will lose out BIG TIME. The NFL isn’t losing a dime, the NBA is hemorrhaging.

Lebron WAS the face of the League until he ran from his own destiny. Dirk is a heck of a good guy and very humble, but even winning the Larry O’Brien won’t put him on a pile of commercials.

NBA better get in gear. Every day that Blake Griffin can’t get on the court and make Sports Center highlights is a day that the NBA loses cash.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
9:35 pm

@BEN: “MC, so the Hawks are going to do NOTHING AGAIN?”

i assume they are eventually going to make a pick. still nothing on a trade.

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm

“…make this worth hanging in there before epic fail draft pick by Hawks in the second round.”

Hawks should make a trade for Cleveland’s 32 pick and draft Norris Cole if he’s still there.

cp

June 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm

Nolan Smith is a good pick for Portland

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm

ROFL @ Grandad .

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm

Nolan Smith seems kinda high for #21. Apparently he might be going to the Nuggets. Andre Miller and Raymond Felton are about to get swapped for each other.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm

whoa i love that pick for portland. noland will takeover for andre later in the season. if roy and oden can play for 75% of the season portland can beat anyone in the west.
i think denver goes faried right here

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm

@Grandad: dude, why the hate?

also, they just showed a Derek Smith clip. he played at Louisville.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm

Hawks should make a trade for Cleveland’s 32 pick and draft Norris Cole if he’s still there.

I can get down with that. Of course, a good suggestion is just about a guarantee that it won’t happen. Yes, I’m being a pessimist.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
9:40 pm

Miami should take Trey Thompkins at 31 if he’s still there. Big three will get in his head and get him on a conditioning program. If he gets in NBA shape he will be a monster. Absolutely complete offensive game.

Mr.Phil

June 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm

So the Hawks do not need to make a move because Nene is opting out to come here.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:42 pm

And there goes Faried.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:43 pm

There goes Faried. Apparently he’s going to Portland along with Felton.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:43 pm

He woulda made a damn good Hawk

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
9:44 pm

Portland and Denver are consumating right now.
I hope they are using protection.
So, which one uses the condiment.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:45 pm

The Bulls just traded up and they are on the clock.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:45 pm

“Portland and Denver are consumating right now.
I hope they are using protection.
So, which one uses the condiment.”

It would probably help if one of them had OJ Mayo.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:46 pm

Marshon Brooks is slipping.. maybe even to the 48th pick !

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:47 pm

Blake Griffin’s “dunked over a Kia” commercial again.

Yet another reminder that the NBA will suffer a broken leg if the lockout gets into the season.

cp

June 23rd, 2011
9:47 pm

Marshon Brooks has slipped farther than I thought he would. Would be a good replacement for Jamal but that would require Sund to put the chicken down and get creative.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:47 pm

AJC should give you a blog Najeh… :)

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm

LOL @ Grandad and Najeh…

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm

AJC should give you a blog Najeh…

Amen.

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
9:48 pm

Najeh Davenpoop
June 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm

The Hawks’ pick that was traded to Washington is 3 picks away. Very good chance Faried, Singleton, and Leonard will all be on the board at that point, and all of them could have helped the Hawks, even in this weak draft. Singleton and Leonard are nothing special but both are instantly better than Marvin.

LOL, when will this Marvin bashing stop?..Put Marvin on any other team in the NBA and he eats Singleton or Leonard for lunch!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:49 pm

This Mirotic character is going to the Bulls. Yet another front court player for them.

Mr.Phil

June 23rd, 2011
9:49 pm

Shouldn’t the commissh get briefed on how to pronounce these guys names? Maybe phonetic name
cards

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm

Stern struggling with naming the 23rd pick…priceless.

Sund is chillin’ out and eating chicken because Gearon told him to stop with the trades up. Only selling picks is allowed. Not buying them.

:twisted:

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm

“AJC should give you a blog Najeh…”

Haha. I don’t think I have enough original thoughts in me to have my own blog. This format of responding to something MC or Big Ray posts is much easier and requires much less initiative.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm

okc goes jajuan johnson

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm

LOL, when will this Marvin bashing stop?..Put Marvin on any other team in the NBA and he eats Singleton or Leonard for lunch!

Yeah…except when the Hawks DID try to put him on another NBA team, nobody would take him. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it…

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
9:52 pm

or okc goes thompkins

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm

One guy who is still available who I think might be pretty good is Darius Morris.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm

If Reggie Jackson from BC is still around, I would love for the Hawks to trade up for him. I think he could take Jamal’s spot.

And we have like 3 second round picks in ‘12 to work with on a trade.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm

Mr.Phil

June 23rd, 2011
9:54 pm

@ Big Ray “Stern struggling with naming the 23rd pick…”

This has been happening all night. He seemed relieved to announce Reggie Jackson at 24

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
9:54 pm

Big Ray
June 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm

LOL, when will this Marvin bashing stop?..Put Marvin on any other team in the NBA and he eats Singleton or Leonard for lunch!

Yeah…except when the Hawks DID try to put him on another NBA team, nobody would take him. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it…

Yeah, but your two favorite players Joe and Josh have not found any takers either!..So, whats your point, hell, you actually believe ROD from CP that Al played center at Florida!..

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:54 pm

Damn SteveW you must have posted that literally at the exact same time Stern announced the pick for the Thunder.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm

LOL @ Najeh

A plethora of original thoughts isn’t necessary. Two kinds of posts/comments you can make to get people yapping – insightful and inciteful. Sound the same but are polar opposites. Both are effective if you blend ‘em with the right topic or subject of conversation.

But I get you…it was easier to talk ish on Sekou’s blog than it was to write the fan blog. But both are fun, trust me.

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm

One of the most boring drafts in years.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm

Marshon Brooks is slipping lower and lower…. Sund Draft him, he’s our replacement of JC1 and JC2

Mr.Phil

June 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm

Looks like our birds will be content to take Chad Ford’s advice and draft Leslie.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm

“So, whats your point, hell, you actually believe ROD from CP that Al played center at Florida!..”

Granny, I know at your age your memory is not that strong, but Rod is right about Al guarding Oden in the championship game. I don’t watch enough regular season college basketball to know how often Al played center throughout his college career but if his coach was willing to put him on the best center in college basketball that year he presumably must have done so in plenty of other situations as well. In any case Rod’s contention about Al playing center is a lot more believable than the phony height measurements you seemingly pull out of thin air when talking about Al and others.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:57 pm

Sad to say folks but Marvin ain’t going anywhere because at his salary nobody will take em’, the GM that is foolish enough to take him in any trade will be fired before the next draft. Bank on it.

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
9:57 pm

MC

I don’t hate anyone.

I’m raggin’ on you ’cause you don’t want to be where you are
and I would love to be there, as would most of the bloggers tonite.

If I didn’t like & respect you I wouldn’t say nothin’.

But, I say what’s on my mind.
I’m too old to bottle thangs up.

So, “pull down yore pants and slide on the ice”
-Dr Sidney Freedman- M*A*S*H

Yes, yes, I’m a smart ass, but I’m a lovable smart ass.

The Sidney Freedman quote simply means,
don’t get stressed out.
Relax & and enjoy the moment.

Your loyal blogger…..G-dad

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
9:57 pm

Najeh – Yep. I’m just glad Miami didn’t get him at #31. I think he could really have helped them. Good ball player.

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
9:58 pm

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
9:54 pm

“Yeah, but your two favorite players Joe and Josh have not found any takers either!..So, whats your point, hell, you actually believe ROD from CP that Al played center at Florida!..”

——–

And you actually believe that Marvin Williams has star potential…

Credibility is shot.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
9:59 pm

Well there goes that hope.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
9:59 pm

DAMN IT!! MARSHON WENT TO THE DAMN CELTICS… AND THEY NEED A CENTER.. >.<

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
9:59 pm

This Marshon Brooks pick is being traded to the New Jersey Nets. The Celtics and Nets are swapping the #25 and #27. The Nets need wing players desperately. Pretty good fit for them.

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
9:59 pm

Brooks literally reminds me of Jamal.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:00 pm

if dallas takes jajuan johnson or trey thompkins they are on their way to a repeat.

cp

June 23rd, 2011
10:01 pm

Well there goes Brook.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:01 pm

These ESPN people really need to have Twitter in front of them. Woj tweeted this Celtics-Nets trade before Brooks was even picked. ESPN hasn’t even announced that Mirotic is going to the Bulls.

Dap01

June 23rd, 2011
10:01 pm

It’s painful being a Hawks fan. It will be so enjoyable having LD and Sund explain why Collins and other leftovers are signed. What a great way to build a team. Eating Chicken? It would be nice for MC to provide insite on what has been going on.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:01 pm

Unless a trade happens I still see the Hawks taking Lighty.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:03 pm

Agree with Najeh, ESPN should be on top of this instead of spitting out stupid stats since this year or this year or this year. Rather have TNT with Hubie Brown breaking these guys down.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm

@Grandad: “MC I don’t hate anyone.

I’m raggin’ on you ’cause you don’t want to be where you are
and I would love to be there, as would most of the bloggers tonite.”

i know. it’s all fun. i was joking about not wanting to be here. it’s just that this is the closest i ever get to feeling like i’m working a desk job and that’s not a good look for me.

cp

June 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm

Honeycutt is another guy who would be a nice player for the Hawks

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm

I wouldn’t mind Lighty to the Hawks. Granted, he’s one of the few players projected to go that late that I’ve actually seen.

Mavs are trading this pick.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm

Portland traded Rudy Fernandez to the Mavs for this #26 pick.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm

Yeah, but your two favorite players Joe and Josh have not found any takers either!..So, whats your point, hell, you actually believe ROD from CP that Al played center at Florida!..

Read the articles around the League. Nobody is trying to trade for Joe because we gave him a big enough contract to make sure that he didn’t go anywhere else. That and nobody wants that massive contract now .

Josh is and has been the subject of many legit trade rumors where teams are inquiring about what they’d have to give up to get him. Every time he doesn’t get traded, it’s about the Hawks wanting too much in return, or other teams not providing enough value to make the trade.

With Marvin, every single article has been about the Hawks shopping Marvin, and NOBODY being interested.

That’s my point. Read the articles. And then you can go and start calling the media and the rest of the NBA franchises a bunch of Marvin bashers.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm

Andrew Goudelock, E’twuan Moore, Ben Hansbrough, and Travis Leslie are the list of guys still avalible that can make an impact on this team…. AND I JUST FOUND OUT THAT MARSHON WAS FOR THE NETS!! >.<

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm

Dap01,

Hard to cover stuff that ain’t happening.

cp

June 23rd, 2011
10:07 pm

I think the Hawks will be taking Malcolm Thomas or Travis Leslie.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:08 pm

Najeh anything on the hawks yet… :/

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:08 pm

John Wall, Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely, and JaVale McGee might be the most athletic core in the league. If they get a 2 guard who can score — preferably one who can also do other things unlike Nick Young — watch out.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:09 pm

There goes Johnson.

I bet Sund tried to dangle Smoove and some other stuff in front of Minny. Then when they didn’t go for it, he hung it all up and headed for the chicken. Game over.

Post Draft comments: “We tried. Now lets go sign guys who want a paycheck, but don’t care if they play or not.”

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
10:09 pm

@Dap01: “It would be nice for MC to provide insite on what has been going on.”

i wish i could get in the draft room, too, but i’m not invited. eventually Sund and Co. will emerge and i will ask them questions.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:09 pm

Nothing on Twitter about the Hawks. Just people retweeting obsolete stories from earlier today about the Hawks trying to trade with Minnesota.

Mr.Phil

June 23rd, 2011
10:09 pm

Ray
“Hard to cover stuff that ain’t happening.”

Not really just make it up. I do it sometimes.Its fun.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:10 pm

Jimmy Butler is another guy available who I think can be a solid role player for a playoff team.

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm

i think it’s great how Rick Sund and the chicken has become a meme among by blog people. excellent.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:12 pm

It is really hilarious how every time Stuart Scott makes a corny ass joke and expects the other analysts to laugh, it ends up in an awkward pause every time. This has happened at least 4 or 5 times now.

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
10:12 pm

We should trade up to draft Tyler, next tell Drew, start him or you are fired!

Wabe
And you actually believe that Marvin Williams has star potential…

Credibility is shot.

MC and others keep saying no one wants Marvin, but the Hawks have been shopping Josh “JUMPSHOT” Smith for years and no one has came up with a decent offer yet!..And Joe, you could not give him away for free right now..!

Mr.Phil

June 23rd, 2011
10:12 pm

Wait. So the Hawks traded the 48 pick for chicken?

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
10:13 pm

wish maya moore could play for us over marvin

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:13 pm

Good pick for Chicago.

Mr.Phil

June 23rd, 2011
10:14 pm

@It was not a bad pick
“no one has came up with a decent offer yet!…”

Yeah. But a bad offer is more promising than laughing in your face and hanging up the phone.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:15 pm

@Najeh 10:12 Post

I know right!! I understand the guy’s dealing with cancer but c’mon those jokes can’t even make a hiyena laugh!

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:15 pm

MC and others keep saying no one wants Marvin, but the Hawks have been shopping Josh “JUMPSHOT” Smith for years and no one has came up with a decent offer yet!..And Joe, you could not give him away for free right now..!

You’re right. You can’t give Joe away for free. He costs $125 million you cretin.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:15 pm

Only two more picks until the second round. The $5 bet that Thompkins will fall to the 2nd looks pretty good right now. A lot of mock drafts have Travis Leslie going to the Bulls with the last pick of the first round though.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:16 pm

Stuart’s act is lame now, at times ya just gotta report the news and not be the focal point.

ryan

June 23rd, 2011
10:17 pm

I am not even watching the draft watching TNA wrestling .

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:17 pm

Miami just traded with Minnesota to get Norris Cole, the guy who was just drafted. I’ve seen more than one place describe Cole as a potential steal.

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
10:18 pm

It was not a bad pick,

If you wish to speak the truth, you will realize that the reason Josh hasnt been traded is because of what the hawks are asking for in return.

With Marvin, nobody wants him because at $7.5 mil per year, he sucks.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:18 pm

David Stern looks tired lol

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:18 pm

Stern seems quite pleased with the Spurs pick. You know he thought they were making another international pick, whose name he would struggle to pronounce…

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:19 pm

O’brien ,

Exactly.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:19 pm

@ryan

TNA SUX man!!

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
10:19 pm

Hawks have 3 first second round picks next year, dont they?

Why not trade one of them to move up?

I think there will be some decent players on the board at 48, but Rick will make a selection that will leave us scratching our heads.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm

3 Texas players in the first round, and they still only made it to the second round of the tournament.

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm

If I was Cleveland, I would have taken Derrick Williams #1, and at 4th, taken either Katner or Brandon Knight (whichever one was available).

Mr.Phil

June 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm

Stern getting booed.Love it.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm

Cheering because Stern is done LOL

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
10:23 pm

Just curious, based on who was available at #18 (there were some good players available imo), and the fact that Hinrich helped us beat Orlando, how do we feel about the Hinrich trade now?

Buddy Grizzard

June 23rd, 2011
10:24 pm

Cole would be an upgrade for MIA… Hawks need to move up and get Trey… Like him better than Caracter who I wanted at 31 last year. Even out of shape he’s better than Powell or Etan for half the cost.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:24 pm

Kevin Love in the shower commercial.

More proof that NBA marketing is struggling badly.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:25 pm

Dang, now we have to hear a long segment on “As The Miami Heat Turns”

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:25 pm

miami is going josh selby or charles jenkins. bibby is done and chalmers will start. they need a backup pg

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:25 pm

If Michael Beasley got traded for two second round picks last year, maybe Marvin can get traded for one second round pick this year? Maybe? Hopefully? Please?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:26 pm

Not that I really care about having a pick in this weak ass second round, but being able to get out from under Marvin’s contract would be a huge plus…

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:26 pm

Cole would be an upgrade for MIA… Hawks need to move up and get Trey… Like him better than Caracter who I wanted at 31 last year. Even out of shape he’s better than Powell or Etan for half the cost.

Would you STOP it? Every time you make a worthwhile suggestion, the player gets drafted!

LOL

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:26 pm

“Kevin Love in the shower commercial.

More proof that NBA marketing is struggling badly.”

Still better than the Josh Smith shaving commercial…

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
10:27 pm

aj styles get ready to flyyyyy

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:27 pm

This is a weak draft -.-

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:27 pm

If your anti-Miami, you did not want to see them get Norris Cole. He and Chalmers will still not be a great PG tandem, but Miami just needs a step above abysmal to be better.

Cole and Chalmers will be serviceable. Why can’t ATL have a GM like Riley?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm

LMAO Poor Tom Penn has to yell over the boos as long as he’s talking about Miami.

Mike

June 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm

Yawn, this draft is boring, i heard that the lockout is almost over. Yeah Football

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm

Still better than the Josh Smith shaving commercial…

True.

Now they’re saying “how can they maintain this dynasty” about Miami.

I thought you had to win first (and win a lot) to have a dynasty?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm

I really think JVG thinks Stu Scott is an idiot. Can’t blame him.

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm

O’Brien
June 23rd, 2011
10:18 pm

It was not a bad pick,

If you wish to speak the truth, you will realize that the reason Josh hasnt been traded is because of what the hawks are asking for in return.

With Marvin, nobody wants him because at $7.5 mil per year, he sucks.

thanks for saying it for me, Big Ray please read O’Brien comment carefully if you have the ability to..” the reason Josh hasnt been traded is because of what the hawks are asking for in return.”..

Big Ray what he is telling you, is that the Hawks will not be able to get a solid player in return!..Ryan Anderson and Daniel Orton is about the Max you get for him!…

Now let’s trade up to get Tyler!

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm

how would y’all feel if we got kyle singler or chandler parsons if they slipped to #48, i would think both of them could provide more than marv at 3. im thinking as of how the flow of this draft is goin we might have a few good choices left over at #48

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:30 pm

SteveW ,

You already know the answer. A franchise that would rather have Larry Drew over any well-spoken of veteran head coach would NEVER hire a GM that wants to do anything more than be their gopher.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:30 pm

“I thought you had to win first (and win a lot) to have a dynasty?”

Real talk. They are a dynasty in ESPN’s mind though. Even if they end up with zero rings.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:31 pm

Note to all the American kids that came out early only to watch themselves not get drafted because of the International players. STAY IN SCHOOL, GET YA DEGREE!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:31 pm

As we all probably remember from last year, 2nd round draft picks can be sold for up to $3 million. If the Hawks really want any of the available players that bad they can always simply buy a pick.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:31 pm

watch clevland screw up this pick too…

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:32 pm

It was not a bad pick ,

I know O’brien well enough to know precisely what he meant. Ask him if your interpretation of his comments are correct.

In the meantime, have you seen those Meth commercials? That stuff is wicked. You shouldn’t even try it once

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:33 pm

Poor Chad Ford has had Greg Smith as the best player available since like the 18th pick.

He obviously rated the guy higher than everyone else. Skinny Center from Fresno St.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm

I thought Kyle Singleton would go in the first round

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm

<======= Realized that we had the steal of the draft last season!!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm

There goes Kyle Singler, to Detroit.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm

Singler sorry and awe he got drafted to the pistons :’(

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm

it was not a bad pick,

The Hawks are asking for multiple solid players for Josh.

All they want in return for Marvin is a bag of chips. And still no takers.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm

How can you be such a complete player but go in the 2nd rd. Cmon Bilas or should I say Bias, just because he’s a Dukie don’t make him a great player lol

N.D.T.K.A.

June 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm

Tyler, Benson, and Harrelson all still on the board, big guys.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm

What, 15 picks to go. And some decent names still on the board. Chandler Parsons, Shelvin Mack, Trey and Leslie, E’twaun, Isaiah Thomas (a potential JJ Barea?), Jenkins etc.

We may get a decent 10-15 mpg guy, if LD wasn’t the Coach that is.

LD has a 3 year plan with all non-elite rookies I guess.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:37 pm

With their trade for Rudy Fernandez I’m guessing the Mavs are probably resigned to JJ Barea leaving as a free agent. It’s not a really strong free agent class but he could really help someone.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:37 pm

Ooops – There went Shelvin

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:39 pm

13 picks away…

darrell starks

June 23rd, 2011
10:39 pm

CROSSING FINGER TREY OR LESLIE COULD FALL TO THE HAWKS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:39 pm

There goes Tyler, Dang man

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:39 pm

Josh Selby, Jeremy Tyler, both UGA players still available.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:40 pm

Chad Ford thinks this may be Leslie’s time

terrell

June 23rd, 2011
10:41 pm

Congrats to my kinfolk Chris Singleton. Headed to DC. Do your thing boy!

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:41 pm

Rudy to the mavs? no way they resign caron butler now

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:42 pm

I think Sund said we were getting a college Sr. almost certainly. Tyler is only 20

I guess he may make an exception if one of the UGA guys is still around.

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
10:42 pm

Mack 2nd round, crazy steal

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
10:42 pm

ryan, it’s been a pretty good show; though not as good as last week.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:42 pm

the wizards had a great draft.wow. vesely singleton and mack. they look like they can make a push for the playoffs.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
10:43 pm

I like Tyler as an upside pick. I don’t think any other big man available here is going to make a realistic contribution to a good team. Tyler may not make a contribution right away, but at least he has enough talent to where he might make a contribution down the road.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:43 pm

Selby only a Fr., so I guess that rules him out for the Hawks also

Mike

June 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm

This suck beyond sucks, it just so boring

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm

I wonder if that orl/atl/dal trade is going to happen

cp

June 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm

I wanted the Hawks to get Honeycutt.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:44 pm

Najeh – I wouldn’t mind the pick – just going on what Sund and Pendegraft have said. I’d love to have a 6-11 260 C with some upside.

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
10:46 pm

I think Tyler is going to be a Hawk!..Steal of the draft, i hope we don’t trade him like we traded last year’s steal of the draft!

Big ray and O’brien,

You guys are not making any valid points.Next year Josh will make 13,200,000, now seriously, All 3 of us know Josh is not worth that kind of money, for every good game he has, he blows 3 or 4, and he is preventing Al from playing PF!..Big Ray, you even admitted that the hawks should trade him….

Michael Cunningham

June 23rd, 2011
10:46 pm

why do these Coors Light commercials expect us to still buy Ice Cube as a gangsta? i mean, he’s still a hip hop pioneer but come on, man.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:46 pm

SSSSHHHHHH !!!! Stop saying Jeremy Tyler’s name, if you don’t say anything he may slip to 48 LOL

cp

June 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm

Leslie is an athlete but he cant shoot

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm

i bet 40-47 a run of all of our hopefuls goes down. parsons leur tyler leslie morris benson moore, it will leave us with lighty which is ok but if we can get one of the above we will have a great draft

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm

Hope hawks get
1. Matt Howard Buler
or Chandler or Macklin from FLorida

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm

@Najeh Davenpoop

So you don’t think we could start Tyler next year?

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm

It was not a bad pick, it’s just pure BS to say Josh blows 3 or 4 games per every good game . . .

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:47 pm

Charles Jenkins, Diante Garret, Josh Harrelson, John Leuer, E’twaun Moore (JC2 clone, almost), Hansbrough, Thomas, Thompkins, Leslie, Benson, Lighty, Goudelock, Malcolm Thomas all left.

We may get a 10-15 mpg game guy yet. Maybe not at the beginning of the season, but somebody that can work in to a little playing time.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm

TECHfan- i think matt howard is one of those guys who you sign as a FA and whenever u put him in for however long he will be efficent and produce. if dejuan blair can play extended mins matt howard of butler can play

KevinM

June 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm

Honeycut would be good
Tyler could be good
Travis Leslie

I wish for Kanter in some way…..

cp

June 23rd, 2011
10:49 pm

There goes Parson

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
10:50 pm

Is Goudelock still available?

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
10:50 pm

lol oh well thats what atl gets for not moving up

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:51 pm

There goes Trey and Chandler

And there is still justice in the world. If Chandler would have went before Trey – Trey’s a much better ball player. I think somebody got a 15 and 8 guy eventually in Trey.

ryan

June 23rd, 2011
10:51 pm

That X division match was pretty exciting that only reason i watch TNA is high flying matches .

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNN

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm

And there goes Jeremy Tyler….

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm

hawksfancents95 – I like Howard, will do anything to win, has skills and has a way of getting into other teams head, him and Hortford would work well together

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm

His body fat is 12 percent.. which is pretty good if you’re a sea lion” – jay bilas

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm

jeremy tyler i can just tell he will have a low b bal iq

cp

June 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm

Tyler is gone.

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:52 pm

TNA SUX, why watch that bad booking crap!!!

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm

Goudelock seems to be the guy the hawks will draft

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm

Goudelock still out there – most had him drafted in the 50’s

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm

What crappy show do you watch, Luke Cage?

KevinM

June 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm

Rick Sund=non-factor in the 2011 draft…the best way we could have improved.

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm

I am done with the Hawks!…wtf, we refuse to get a center…I just don’t get it!

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm

My guess #48 taken around 11:00 pm is not going to be far off..

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:53 pm

i got $ milwaukee takes jon leur

Sunds Brain

June 23rd, 2011
10:54 pm

Jamie Skeen from VCU
Lets get him

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm

at least tna isnt pg

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm

The Bucks certainly don’t need Leslie after today, glad they didn’t take him.

Leuer’s off the board

jason

June 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:56 pm

Don’t be surprised if the Lakers don’t get Leslie, unless they think he’s to close to that other G they have in skill set

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
10:57 pm

I used to watch TNA but the story lines are weak, they bury their own homegrown talent.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:57 pm

If the Hawks got Leslie, LD is not the Coach for him. He could destroy Leslie.

LD wants finished products, nothing you have to develop.

See Jordan Crawford

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm

Maybe Hawks will luck out and get Keith Benson, he’ll be starting Center
last year 17 points 10 RB 4 blocks for Oakland 7′2″ wing span

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm

Smart move by LA – they need somebody to take over from Fish and Blake

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm

lakers got a good PG in morris. this has to be fishers last year.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm

50 million trades in this draft. Hawks in none of them. Heh…

cp

June 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm

I was just about to say I hope Darius Morris would be there

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm

I agree tn storylines are wack only because hogan took over

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:00 pm

WWE is better but not by much, I quit watching that also, get tired of seeing the same 3 or 4 top guys all the time against each other PPV after PPV. I watch old Georgia Championship Wrestling & Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm

Draft express actually had Benson going 51st, so he may still be around at 48

N.D.T.K.A.

June 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm

Watch as the Hawks take another jump shooter, with only ZaZa to rebound as Al and Josh have become “stretch 4’s”! We need rebounding help inside with Drew coaching this team….

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm

Damn Hawks coulda gotten Tyler for nothing, just pick up the phone Sund???

jason

June 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
11:01 pm

Sting has gone nuts . . . Joker style!

cp

June 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm

Malcolm Lee would be a nice choice

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm

wow wow wow. GS got jeremy tyler from charlotte from a buyout. haha asg is content with getting no1 and just making the playoffs to make sure they got enough money to pay joe and make a little something for themselves.

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm

Scotty Hopson has a ton of potential, but his interview at the combine was weird. Scared alot of teams off.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm

Luke Cage,

Go to a WWE Blog we’re discussing that draft.

Mike

June 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm

Are you mad, WWE is hot suckage right now. i think WCW was better than WWE/F during the Monday Night Wars

Ken Strickland

June 23rd, 2011
11:02 pm

STEVEW-he really does like FINISHED products, in more ways than one. Remember MBibby, he certainly was FINISHED and he loved him.

darrell starks

June 23rd, 2011
11:03 pm

LESLIE MIGHT BE THERE CROSSING FINGER.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm

LOL @ Ken Strickland…

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm

r truth lil jimmy gimmick saved wwe for now

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm

WWE is almost as awful as it has ever been. Cena is Superman. At least they made it look like Hogan was going to lose . . .

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm

Jason,

Just responding to something someone asked, you need to tell Sund to discuss this draft because there’s alot of teams making move and we’re not one of them!!!

Dap01

June 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm

Larry is at this moment, saying let’s get a jump shooter. Heck, let’s trade for an exemption.

cp

June 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm

Sund ate that chicken and caught the itis

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:05 pm

The Bulls may get Leslie? I wouldnt’ want he and Rose in the same backcourt. Who could stop them athletically?

ryan

June 23rd, 2011
11:05 pm

Have the Hawks drafted anyone yet who are they eying .

Mike

June 23rd, 2011
11:05 pm

They are probably talking about wrestling too in that war room.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:05 pm

Whew. Bulls get Lee

tyger

June 23rd, 2011
11:06 pm

Jon Leurer gone, only Gougalek and Benson left!!!

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
11:06 pm

id like to see us land leslie or benson of the guys left. id be content with etwaun moore and david lighty, anyone else im going to be upset

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm

KenS – Ha! And Mo’ was on the way to being finished also – Good stuff Ken!

cp

June 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm

Well nevermind there goes Lee

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm

Crap / Jenkins gone !

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:08 pm

<======= ***Spidey Sense Tingling****

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:08 pm

Awww – there went Jenkins. Thought we had a shot at him

And Paul to Leslie in the backcourt – it could happen, we’ll see.

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
11:09 pm

we dont need a guard but if the hawks know josh will be traded then you have to draft travis to fill seats, besides its called “highlight” factory

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
11:09 pm

NO-idk
LAL-josh selby
LAC-SF
ATL-leslie or keith benson plz

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
11:10 pm

so the word is leslie?

haven’t seen him enough to know if he’s any good. i have seen etuan moore.

regardless of who the hawks get, does it matter? will he clock any minutes?

i really think not

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm

Prediction:

Giorgi Shermadini

Mike

June 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm

That pick was trade to Knicks so Travis is going to them.

BEN

June 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm

MC who are the Hawks taking? You have to heard of something….

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm

Booooo!!! – There went Josh Harellson. Going to be a bench banger in this League.

When I see Harellson, I see hard fouls in the lane.

Would’ve been a good fit in ATL

bigcrimson75

June 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm

leslie to hawks!!!!!!!

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm

Sund trades the pick for 2015 3rd rounder LOL!!

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
11:12 pm

so i watched one 15 second youtube clip of travis leslie…

and what the hell…i’m sold.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:13 pm

Why are we talking to this guy, can we get back to the draft????

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
11:13 pm

hold up…isn’t travis leslie the guy that was talkin bout not wanting to be compared to tony allen?

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:13 pm

Lakers can still get Leslie – It seems like they have like 13 second round picks this year.

Worst case scenario for the ATL – Leslie is available at 48. LD can’t develop him – see great athletes Teague and Crawford (Jordan), but the local fanbase wants him

You know LD is hoping he’s gone by 48

bigcrimson75

June 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm

i hate stu scott …. van gundy has made it watchable

inside news

June 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm

It will be Leslie if he is available

ryan

June 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm

Not much going on is there Travis Leslie would not be a bad pick up if he is there.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm

Leslie is an athletic explosion, like a Sprite commercial.

Sund says we need youngsters to come in and play.

Larry won’t do that.

We’re screwed.

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
11:15 pm

lmao yes wabe

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
11:15 pm

I think hawks take the Purdue Guy, etwan Moore (sp )

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
11:15 pm

Two picks away. Lakers pass on Leslie. Not surprised.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:16 pm

There goes Goudelock – the Lakers are making sure they have some options at the Point

jason

June 23rd, 2011
11:16 pm

there goe goudelock…. looks like ben is a lock

tyger

June 23rd, 2011
11:16 pm

damn, damn, damn!!!!

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:17 pm

Come on Sund, trade a 2nd pick from next year and get another pick this season. A few good choices yet for your bench.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
11:17 pm

1 pick away…
screw up LAC

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
11:17 pm

sund is probably sleep

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

ok…

so grab the dude.

dude can take his first paycheck and get a season’s worth of suits, because the dude will never be in uniform.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

WOW TRAVIS LESLIE GETS DRAFTED BY LAC -.-

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

lmao he went one pick before us

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

If we get E’twuan Moore, I will be happy. He’s athletically like Jordan, and Academic All something team to boot

Ranked 33rd best player in the draft.

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

oh well, he would’ve just rotted on our bench as it is.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm

@MC- storm in that room and demand they pick keith benson

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm

It was not a bad pick,

Despite Josh and his issues, he still averaged 16 and 8, and 3 assists. What’s Marvin’s average?

And for every good game Marvin has, he disappears for 10

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm

Eric Gorden and Travis Leslie at SG for the Clips

LD is saved….

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm

I say Keith Benson, please

inside news

June 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm

Hawks should have traded earlier for Leslie. A big mistake.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm

Chad ford says were taking Selby or Smith

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm

Heh. I knew it. Undercut by the F’in Clippers. Done.

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

Benson it is.

It was not a bad pick

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

YESSS I picked it

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

<======= ***Spidey Sense Tingled**** Wow a center, kinda skinny but its ok

cp

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

We got Benson

Melvin

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

Big TechFan, you da man…

jason

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

We got keith benson lol

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

ill take this pick..let him eat

inside news

June 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm

Benson is another loser. He will get pushed around. A typical boring pick by the Hawks.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm

And it’s Keith Benson from Oakland!!! Whoo – hoo- Another PF

Somebody said if we didn’t draft another PF they would be surprised – can’t remember which blogger

ryan

June 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm

Guys we want going fast who is left is Lightly left we still looking at and him who else .

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm

ohhhhhhh yaaaaaaaa, Sund thank you for getting us some size and shot blocking

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm

Well I’ll be darn, we didn’t screw it up !

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm

Just block shots, rebound, and play strong defense and you cool with me Benson

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm

Hey look, it’s the reincarnation of Solo.

Another 6′11, 220 lb guy to put alongside Rolle and Armstrong. I’m thrilled. Zzzzzzzz….kid won’t play…zzzzzzzz….

N.D.T.K.A.

June 23rd, 2011
11:22 pm

At least they took a big man that can block shots. A skinny big man but at least a big man.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:23 pm

Chad Ford’s been trying to get somebody to draft Greg Smith since #18.

I wonder if Sund is done for the night?

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
11:23 pm

a 217 lb center that has about an inch on horford?

ok, i would’ve rather looked for a guy that could fill the jamal crawford void.

not saying anybody from round two could’ve done that, but keith benson?

Melvin

June 23rd, 2011
11:23 pm

Is Benson a better ball player or blog writer?

iCharlieBoy

June 23rd, 2011
11:23 pm

The Hawks are gonna suck it up as long as they have those LOSERS Josh Smith and Marvin Williams

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
11:23 pm

Benson
Best shot blocker in the draft
Can shoot
Needs to beef up

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm

We drafted Keith “Screenbean” Benson . . . lol

Someone give that kid something to eat. Maybe that’s why Sund had chicken. To fatten up this skinny dude!

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm

Wow. 6′11 and 217 pounds center. Interesting. He is a good shot blocker though. At Oakland university? Interesting.

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm

Give’um a 2nd pick next season for E’twaun, Sund

J.J.M.

June 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm

how much does JaVale McGee weigh?

ryan

June 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm

I guess i spoke to soon they blew another pick what a shock thank god this draft is over good night everyone .

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:24 pm

LOL@you guys, no matter who the Hawks took you guys would bash it LOL, live to Hate LOL!!

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
11:25 pm

6′11 with 7′4″ wing span

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
11:25 pm

Four hrs later the chicken eating ends and we pick someone that looks like he lost his share of chicken. Time to bulk this kid up.

Section 303

June 23rd, 2011
11:25 pm

ryan, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Benson can play.

I’ve seen Benson play in person twice, both times against Michigan State. He is good. Willing to bet he sticks. He is a player. Good pick.

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm

J.J.M., he has about 40-50 lbs on Screenbean

iCharlieBoy

June 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm

One thing’s for sure, Benson cant be any WORSE of a post player than Josh Smith and Al Horford. Big guys that want to be SFs. What a joke.

hawksfancents95

June 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm

benson is a definite upgrade from powell or collins(besides when we play dwight) he should be able to get us 10 mins a game for smooth at 4 or maybe later in the season some mins at 5. he will be good this year and very dependable the next few years. im so happy with the hawks pick. good draft. ill give the hawks a B. no one else would really help us this upcoming year. we didnt even have to trade up or nothing.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm

JaVale is only 237lbs

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm

Oh well, here’s the plan for this pick to be a success:

1) Put him on the diet Jason Collins was on when we first signed him. You know, the cheeseburger diet.

2) Don’t let him out of the weight room. Put a bed and a refrigerator in there, then lock the door.

3) Slip 2 Ambien into L Drew’s coffee every morning before practice. If that doesn’t work, try Lunesta.

Will

June 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm

If Drew doesn’t screw it up, this kid is a very nice pick. Very polished, just thin.

jim

June 23rd, 2011
11:26 pm

there is a university in oakland?

Big Ray

June 23rd, 2011
11:27 pm

tc

June 23rd, 2011
11:27 pm

Weak pick, never going to see anything out of him……pfffffffffft

Sawyer

June 23rd, 2011
11:28 pm

Oakland is in Detroit. Kid can play, Sund made the correct big man choice. Surprised

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:28 pm

Turns 23 in August.

Lacks lower body strength and passion

I thought we already had Hilton and Rolle

What is LD’s fascination with skinny weak players?

iCharlieBoy

June 23rd, 2011
11:28 pm

That’s Oakland in Oakland County, Michigan in suburban Detroit. Not Oakland, Cali.

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
11:28 pm

Benson is not a [4], he’s just skinny.
A pore man’s Camby.
He may be a defender one day.
Think Soloman Jones.
The Hawks need to hire him a nutritionist.

Oh yeah, it’s doubtful he helps next year.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:29 pm

He has the potential to be like JaVale McGhee people, all he has to do is add 15-20lbs and thats not hard to do

jim

June 23rd, 2011
11:29 pm

i think there is an oakland in iowa

tc

June 23rd, 2011
11:29 pm

Im Sure some team in europe will take after we are done with him in our d-league

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm

Dwight Howard might break Screenbean in half next season (if Screenbean ever sees the court) . . .

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm

All criticism aside – here’s hoping Benson becomes the next Kevin McHale!

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm

Props to techfan and hawksfancents95 who wanted benson.

But isn’t he just Solomon Jones with better shot blocking potential?

I guess that means sund will avoid the FA market when looking for bigs

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm

Overview: Nickname is Kito …Two-time Summit League Player of the Year (2010, ‘11) … Summit League Defensive Player of the Year (2011) … Named Associated Press All-America honorable mention in final two seasons (2010, ‘11) … Ranked as the nation’s No. 5 center by Rivals.com … Summit League record holder in blocked shots (371) … Three-time All-Summit League first team honoree (2009-11) … All-time school record holder in defensive rebounds (772) … Became just the second player in Summit League and school history to surpass 1,500 points and 1,000 rebounds … Ranks second all-time in the league with 1,103 rebounds and 13th in scoring with 1,903 … Is second all-time in school history in games started (126) and games played (135) … Posted a school record 49 double-doubles in his career, 38 over the last two seasons … Invited as 1 of 14 collegiate players (5 mid-major players) to Amar’e Stoudemire Skills Academy in summer 2009 … Named as the Lou Henson Award winner, given to the nation’s top mid-major player (2010) … Is part of the winningest senior class in program history with 91 wins.

2010-11 HIGHLIGHTS
▪ Named The Summit League Player and Defensive Player of the Year
▪ Named Summit League Tournament MVP after leading OU to second straight title
▪ Posted 21.7 points and 9.0 rebounds per game at the league tournament
▪ Garnered All-American honors by CollegeInsider.com and Associated Press (honorable mention)
▪ Selected to the CollegeInsider.com Defensive All-American Team
▪ Led The Summit League with a school record 20 double-doubles, finishing seventh in the NCAA
▪ Led the league for the second straight season and finished second in the country with 3.8 blocks per game
▪ Broke single-season school record with 127 blocked shots
▪ Surpassed his own single-season school record with 261 defensive rebounds
▪ Shot 55 percent from the floor, No. 31 in the NCAA
▪ Three-time Summit League Player of the Week (Nov. 28, Dec. 20, Jan. 24)
▪ Named Summit League Athlete of the Month for December
▪ Averaged a double-double for the season with 17.9 points and 10.1 rebounds per game
▪ Recorded season’s first double-double with a game-high 22 points and 15 rebounds at West Virginia (11/12), blocking two shots and went 4-for-4 from the charity stripe; Took a career-high 21 shots in the game, making nine of them
▪ Tallied 16 points and 11 rebounds in the second half at WVU
▪ In a premier matchup against preseason All-American JaJaun Johnson, posted his second double-double with 16 points and a game-high 14 rebounds (11/21)
▪ Had one of the greatest games in school history versus Austin Peay (11/27), coming close to a quadruple-double with 22 points, career-high 22 rebounds and career-high seven assists to go with six blocks
▪ His 17 defensive rebounds broke a single-game school record and the 22 boards is the fifth-most in Summit League history and the most by any player at OU in the Division I era
▪ Finished with 17 points, 12 rebounds and four blocked shots versus No. 7/8 Michigan State (12/11) for his seventh double-double
▪ Showcased his talents at No. 7 Tennessee (12/14) with another double-double, finishing with a game-high 26 points and 10 rebounds, including two 3-pointers
▪ Blocked Oral Roberts’ Dominique Morrison’s game-tying layup attempt off the backboard that led to a fast break layup and helped OU defeat ORU (12/30) as he finished with 20 points, 13 rebounds and five blocked shots
▪ Posted his 11th double-double with 13 points and 13 rebounds, adding five blocks versus Western Illinois (1/8)
▪ Broke all-time league record in career blocked shots (320), swatting three at South Dakota State (1/20) and finished with 28 points and 11 boards
▪ Tallied a game-high 21 and 11 rebounds for his 13th double-double at North Dakota State (1/22), blocking five shots and had a career-high tying three steals
▪ Scored a season-high 30 points and season-high tying seven blocks versus Centenary (1/29), making a career-best 13 field goals on 17 attempts
▪ In his last game inside the O’rena, tallied a double-double with 18 points and 13 rebounds versus South Dakota State (2/19)
▪ Collected his 18th double-double with 26 points and 14 boards at UMKC (2/24)
▪ Tallied 13 points, 11 rebounds and four blocked shots in 30 minutes in regular-season finale at Southern Utah (2/26), going 2-for-2 from three

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm

instead of bashing the pick let me hear at 48 with no trades who you guys woulda taken???

jim

June 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm

we should have picked selby

tyger

June 23rd, 2011
11:30 pm

Sund got it right, this kid protects the rim. Camby and Chandler were bean poles, look at em now. Chandler won that series with his length, effort and multiple offensive rebounds. We need that kind of bench help. We weren’t going to get a starter at 48 no matter what, so get longer and tougher. Keep Collins, Pachulia for girth.

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
11:31 pm

About Benson:

I left out one thing; he’s a pure [5].
[just skinny]

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
11:31 pm

He’s supposed to be JaVale McGee who was taken 30 picks earlier in a much stronger draft? I am not believing that one until I see it . . .

iCharlieBoy

June 23rd, 2011
11:31 pm

Horrible Pick

DC Hawk

June 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm

I guess thats the best we could have done with that pick. I think Sund, Drew, and ASG all need to go. We have owners that dont care, have a GM that is happy with a mediocre team, and a coach that cant coach. I cant believe we are going into next season with the same team.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm

He needs to add some muscle

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm

Tyson Chandler came into the league as a bean pole with NO GAME and anchored took a soft team to a Championship, Camby is still in high demand after all these years, and McGhee is a defensive presence in the middle, so a bean pole has a chance, way to welcome him to the Hawks fellas.

M

June 23rd, 2011
11:32 pm

Who said the fans in the ATL don’t support the Hawks…stayed up way past my bed time…to see freaking 48th pick…Hey, I like the pick…it was in a area of need.

However, I have to admit I don’t know swatch about the guy we drafted…at lease he a shot blocker…but 210…we gon have to put a couple of rocks in his pocket.lol

iCharlieBoy

June 23rd, 2011
11:33 pm

Thrashers to Winnipeg
Hawks to Las Vegas

tc

June 23rd, 2011
11:33 pm

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT….thats all I have to say, over and out….

kwooden

June 23rd, 2011
11:33 pm

He’s the guy I was hoping for. Nice pick!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
11:34 pm

“So you don’t think we could start Tyler next year?”

I don’t think anyone in this second round can start for a good team next year.

Mike is back

June 23rd, 2011
11:34 pm

Hey that last blog should have said Mike is Back…not M.

jason

June 23rd, 2011
11:34 pm

next season if he’s given atleast 15 mins per game…. 7 ppg 7-8 rpg

O'Brien

June 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm

Nothing against Benson, but I will be surprised if drew plays Benson over rolle and Armstrong.

Its awesome to see teams buying draft picks. The hawks only sell picks (and hockey teams).

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm

Section 303

June 23rd, 2011
11:36 pm

Benson can play. The first time I saw him, in December of ‘09, he almost led Oakland to a victory of Michigan State in Breslin. That was an MSU team that won the Big Ten and went to a Final Four, by the way.

He has good post moves and plays good D. He is undersized right now, but that can be changed. He would not be the first skinny center to have a good NBA career. He can play. Too bad there will not be a Summer League for him to show some of you what he has.

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
11:36 pm

Luckily the Hawks can’t really be moved from Atlanta until 2028, because the ASG would sell them to another city in a NY minute . . .

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:37 pm

MC- I wish you hadn’t linked to NBADraft.net – depressed me about our pick

No strength

No leadership

Not NBA ready

MC, why’d you do it!!!

CONservative Johnson

June 23rd, 2011
11:38 pm

Screenbean Benson looks like he barely gets off the ground (even for a big man) . . .

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
11:39 pm

Keith Benson, Magnum Rolle, and Solomon Jones all look to me like the exact same player.

With that being said, it’s not like there’s anyone else at that spot to get excited about. I suppose Josh Selby might recapture some of the magic that made him one of the top 10 players in his high school class, and maybe some combo guard like E’Twaun Moore might become a player in the league, but Benson is as good a pick as any at this spot.

To be honest, if there’s any second round pick I wouldn’t have minded seeing the Hawks sell for $3 million it’s this one.

Luke Cage

June 23rd, 2011
11:40 pm

7′4 wingspan, add 20lbs, defend the paint, rebound

JoJo the Godfather

June 23rd, 2011
11:41 pm

Rolle is not a center, Benson is. Now go get Lighty!!!

SteveW

June 23rd, 2011
11:41 pm

Tech fan – The games against WVU, UT, and MSU are what i wanted to see.

Thanks. The kid can be a player. We needed some frontcourt help

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
11:41 pm

“I got more comfortable with increased playing time,” said Benson.

Hmm… where have we heard that before?

Good luck with that Keith.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 23rd, 2011
11:42 pm

We just drafted a 6″11 player who weighs less than Marvin Williams

FIRE SUND. WE NEEDED TRAVIS

Get'em Got'em

June 23rd, 2011
11:42 pm

Najeh Davenpoop, man whatever, Josh Smith commercial was funny. and Kevin Love can suck it…yours I assume.

Section 303

June 23rd, 2011
11:42 pm

Najeh, I think you’re just saying that because you’ve never seen Benson play. He’s good. Again, too bad no Summer League. I think Benson would have done well.

iCharlieBoy

June 23rd, 2011
11:43 pm

The only big decisions involving Benson will be what kind of ties will he wear with his suits on the end of the bench. This guy is horrible. The Hawks front office is the worst in pro sports.

Wabe

June 23rd, 2011
11:43 pm

Everything you guys say sounds good and all.

But what you guys are echoing is, with time and *development*, this kid *could be* mentioned in the same breath as a Marcus Camby.

But, the Hawks developmental team is currently on vacation, and have been for the past decade, so good luck with the development kid, because you’ll be on your own.

Jerry West

June 23rd, 2011
11:43 pm

why not Selby, huh Sund, WHY?!

hawks_4_life

June 23rd, 2011
11:44 pm

NO HAWKS SALE

NO SMITH TRADE

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Grandmaster JeJe

June 23rd, 2011
11:47 pm

CAN WE PLEASE GET A TRUE 7 FOOTER ON THIS TEAM? ENUFF OF THESE DAMN LANKY 6″11 PLAYERS

JOSH SMITH FOR 3!

June 23rd, 2011
11:47 pm

Not a bad video. Benson has a weird “stutter-shot” where he pauses for a second during a shot before releasing the ball. He does it every time, so that could be taken advantage of. He seems to have a great nose for the ball: he just seems to always know where it is. Oh, and he has a post game and a decent range on his jumper.

Bulk this guy up, and he could be a winner.

(And get a real coach!)

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
11:48 pm

I wouldn’t have minded seeing the Hawks draft “Chukwudiebere Maduabum” just so we could see Sund try to say his name.

Fire Sund Please

June 23rd, 2011
11:48 pm

17-10 guy that avg over 3 bpg for the past 2 years..

Jawbreaker

June 23rd, 2011
11:48 pm

Well we needed a Center and we got one.

Fire Sund Please

June 23rd, 2011
11:49 pm

Gi get Scotty Hopson man…

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
11:49 pm

“Najeh Davenpoop, man whatever, Josh Smith commercial was funny. and Kevin Love can suck it…yours I assume.”

No he can’t.

Hatmatbbat10

June 23rd, 2011
11:49 pm

Wow, everyone is hating on Benson already. We may have a bad front office…but we also have a few pretty bad fans for not even giving the kid a chance to play or practice! I’ve never seen him play…but probably neither have most of you dissing on him. There’s not much else to do with the 48th pick in a weak draft.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 23rd, 2011
11:49 pm

WELL LIKE I SAID, SUND IS DONE TRADING FOR 2 YEARS (HE’LL BE GONE BY THEN)

PLUS THERE WILL BE A LOCKOUT

WHAT A DEPRESSING TIME TO BE A HAWKS FAN

YOUR OWNERS ARE:
1) SUCK
2) BROKE
3) ARROGANT

YOUR GM:
1) SUCKS
2) IS ARROGANT
3) REFUSES TO TRADE A CORE PLAYER

WE WILL NEVER COMPETE

SMDH

FIRE SUND
FIRE LD
FIRE ASG
FIRE WOODY
FIRE STOTTS
FIRE KRUGER
FIRE WEISS
FIRE WILKINS

GT Alum

June 23rd, 2011
11:50 pm

Section 303 -

Quite frankly, I’ve seen enough summer league wonders that can’t do anything in a real NBA game that I don’t put much stock in summer league anyway. It would’ve been some extra experience for him, but in summer league he would’ve been playing against a bunch of guys that are as undersized as he is and a bunch of guys that will barely see court time in the NBA because they’ll be at the end of the bench or in D-league.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 23rd, 2011
11:51 pm

“Najeh, I think you’re just saying that because you’ve never seen Benson play. He’s good. ”

I’ve seen the Youtube video of him that superiorblogman and Grandad have posted about a thousand times on here since the season ended. I’m not trying to hate on him or say he’s a bad player, but there’s a reason he’s getting drafted in the second half of the second round. Dude weighs the same as Travis Leslie and he’s 7 inches taller than him. Maybe he turns out to be a good player but the Hawks already have two other guys on the team who are the same height, same build, and play the same position. I’m just not holding my breath, that’s all.

I hope David Lighty goes undrafted.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 23rd, 2011
11:52 pm

DRAFT PICKS FOR THIS TEAM ARE WORTHLESS. HAWKS COACHING DOES NOT DEVELOP ROOKIES OR PLAYERS

CONTRARY TO WHAT NBA GENIUS RICK SUND SAYS, NO ONE ON THIS TEAM HAS EVER OVER-ACHIEVED OR IMPROVED ON A YEARLY BASIS

HORFORD SUBSTITUTED TOUGHNESS FOR A JUMPSHOT
SMOOVE SUBSTITUTED DUNKING AND FREE THROW SHOOTING FOR JUMPSHOTS

FIRE LD

BigTimeTECHFan

June 23rd, 2011
11:55 pm

he killed Cole Aldrich (sp?) of Kansas when he was 1st team all-american, Kansas had all big dudes 3 1st round pick and I think Benson was a Soph and the best player on the court.

Grandad

June 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm

Don’t bash this kid,
had he played for a bigger school,
he would have been a lottery pick.
[last year]

I’ve watched film on this kid;
he has skill on offense, and length on def.
He has very good footwork in the post.

A new measurement that has not recieved alot of pub:
“Max Reach”
which combines hgt (in shoes), wingspan, standing reach, & max vertical.

Kito Benson is ranked 8th since the yr 2000.
List:
*Tyrus Thomas 147.5
*Javale McGee 147
*Dwight Howard 147
*Greg Oden 146
*Hakim Warrick 146
*Josh Smith 146
*Derrick Favors 145.5
**{Keith Benson} 145.5

This stat is supposed to measure
a player’s potential ability to defend the rim.

K.Benson is actually tied for 7th;
and I have no idea how to calculate the score.

gcs

June 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm

As much as I HATE the Atlanta Spirit right now, I have to give them credit: This is an AWFUL year to trade up and what they got at the spot they were picking was pretty darn good.

If this guy pans out at center, Horford can move to his natural forward spot and turn into an All-World player.

.

Rufus1

June 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm

Last Year…

People begged the Hawks to draft Hassn Whiteside(6′11 210-220lb) or Jarvus Vernardo(6′9 210-220lb)..This year we draft that player and people are still MAD….WOW, what do you people want?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
12:00 am

From NBADraft.net:

Keith Benson is a terrific rebounder and shot-blocker, but there isn’t much room in the NBA for centers who weigh less than 220 pounds. He has the reach (7-4 wingspan) and the talent to be a pro center, but he’s almost the anti-Kenneth Faried in terms of his energy and tenacity.

Ole Hawk's Fan

June 24th, 2011
12:01 am

Did the Hawks draft Kent Benson?

Luke Cage

June 24th, 2011
12:03 am

Rufus1,

These guys just live to bash, no matter who the Hawks pick at any spot in the draft the majority will bash, I say sit back and wait, he could be a bust, could be serviceable, could be a star but ya never know, but why waste time bashing……Hell Kyrie Irving isn’t worthy of the 1st pick IMO lol.

nash

June 24th, 2011
12:03 am

well Mr Benson welcome to the hate fest.

aytunstopable

June 24th, 2011
12:04 am

Well it wasn’t bad pick. This may sound bad but ummm I would have been pissed if they drafted a foriegn player. Because last 3 years 2nd round pick have been foriegn players. Two never play a single game here for them and the one that did, Pape Sy, he didn’t show up till the end of the damn year after being in the D-League all year.

Could have been much worse. The pick didn’t get my hopes up. because honestly not havin a first round pick pissed me off so bad nothing they could do now would change that.

Also quite frankly they need to keep Josh because no one in the league is going to be able to give them any or any player that can match Josh Smith’s worth. Inconsistent as he was and bad shot selection. he was still much better than a hell of alot of players in the NBA

Michael Cunningham

June 24th, 2011
12:04 am

blog updates with Keith Benson quotes. Rick Sund has yet to address reporters.

iCharlieBoy

June 24th, 2011
12:05 am

Now we can trade Josh Smith or Al Horford.

Grandad

June 24th, 2011
12:06 am

Najeh

I don’t think he can help…next year…gotta gain wgt.
I’ve watched more than YouTube film on the kid.
I do not like to watch highlite video.
I much prefer W/O vid.

However @ 48…what can we expect.

I prefer KB to Chu Chu Mandubaum

I was really pullin’ fer Charles Jenkins.

Plus, I would rather put Benson on the floor right now, than Marv.

BigTimeTECHFan

June 24th, 2011
12:08 am

I think if you get a center with the 48th pick who “has the talent to be an NBA center” that’s pretty good pick, it’s not like your going to get a Dwight Howard with the 48th pick.

Hawks need a center, got one. good pick

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
12:09 am

““I’m looking forward to playing with Al Horford. He’s developed into the really good ‘bigs’ in this league. I like watching Joe Johnson. They are an athletic team and I think I can contribute to that. They have some youth and like to get up and down. I watched them a lot this year.””

Living in Michigan, the only Hawks games Keith Benson could have watched would have been the nationally televised ones, where the Hawks got outscored by a combined 5000 points (numbers approximate).

N.D.T.K.A.

June 24th, 2011
12:10 am

At least Benson is not a jump shooter and plays “in the paint” even though he weighs a lot less than Joe Johnson. He probably weighs less than Hinrich, too. LOL….

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
12:11 am

“I would rather put Benson on the floor right now, than Marv.”

I’d rather put Dominique Wilkins on the floor right now than Marv. That isn’t saying much.

Good luck Keith Benson. Hopefully the Hawks actually let you play.

You people suck

June 24th, 2011
12:12 am

No matter who the Hawks selects you’re going to be haters. Go back to your minimum wage job and quit trying to be a gm. On another note, here’s what Chad Ford had to say about Keith Benson:
Chad Ford, I challenge you to:

Name one player in America who accomplished ALL of the following in the past year:
Named Player of the Year in his conference for the SECOND Year in a row
Named Player of the Year AND Defensive Player of the Year this year
Won his regular season conference
Won his regular season tournament
Named Tournament MVP

Keith Benson accomplished all of the above THIS YEAR. As Clark Kellogg said, you have to play your schedule. So, don’t speak of what conference he is in. He played his schedule. I challenge you to identify any player in the draft who played his schedule like Keith Benson.

They said that he couldn’t play without Johnathan Jones, a pass first point guard. He led Oakland University out of obscurity, even with a shoot first point guard. He didn’t even know who was on his team from game to game.

In my opinion, he is going to be a Kevin Durant type player who can transform a team the way he transformed Oakland University. He re-wrote the record books.

Ryan

June 24th, 2011
12:13 am

All of you guys that are pissed….wth did you want with the 18th pick in the 2nd round? The second coming of Shaq? You guys are dumb.

ANT BANKS

June 24th, 2011
12:19 am

what’s goin’ to be the diff with this guy over solomon jones?

ANT BANKS

June 24th, 2011
12:21 am

the hawks coachin’ staff don’t have a penchant for developin’ players. oakland coaches had to use him. the hawks have proven that they don’t have to use any players that they draft. lol.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
12:22 am

Yahoo had Benson ranked #43 among all its prospects. The only guy on their list who was ranked higher than Benson and went undrafted was Brazilian center Lucas Noguiera (whose name was mentioned by a few people on this blog in the weeks leading up to the draft).

Rufus1

June 24th, 2011
12:27 am

20 pounds…

If Benson was 20lbs heavier he wouldn’t have fallen to 48th…

Someone please tell me who was the last player 6′11, 240lb with a 7′4 wingspan averaging 17pts, 10rbs and 3 blocks who can finish with either hand to fall to the 2nd round…..THEY DON”T!!!! THEY ARE CALLED LOTTERY PICKS.

The player we drafted is 20lbs away from being the steal of the draft…..GO HAWKS.

Buddy Grizzard

June 24th, 2011
12:29 am

“he’s almost the anti-Kenneth Faried in terms of his energy and tenacity.”

LOL we can put him in with Marvin and Al and have an All-Passive front court.

moboman

June 24th, 2011
12:30 am

Solomon Jones had no offensive skills at all. No comparison.

Hoops

June 24th, 2011
12:34 am

Some of you guys are funny. What do you expect with the 48th pick? Keith Benson is a steal @ 48. We need bigs. We got the best one available.

JayD

June 24th, 2011
12:36 am

Atlanta sports “fans” are a trip – always want somebody……………else!

Buddy Grizzard

June 24th, 2011
12:37 am

Don’t expect much, Hoops. Not looking for salvation at pick #48. Should have traded up for Thompkins though.

THE EER

June 24th, 2011
12:39 am

i saw the WVU-Oakland game.Benson was a beast. I think he had 22 points and 15 rebounds. Most of it in the second. WVU’s center, Deniz Kilici is 6′ 10” and weighs 265. Benson ate him up. WVU won the game but it wasn’t easy. Oh yeah, the dude really runs the court and was always back on defense.

N.D.T.K.A.

June 24th, 2011
12:43 am

Benson has plenty of skill and seems to be a pretty good rebounder and shot blocker. The only question is how much weight can he put on and will he play with energy and effort? The biggest question is will he get in pt. with Drew as head coach or will he spend most of his time in the Developement league this season?

SUND SUX

June 24th, 2011
12:50 am

WE have one of the worst GM’s in the league

Michael Cunningham

June 24th, 2011
12:51 am

Blog updates with comments from Sund, Pendergraft and Drew.

oranjucejonz

June 24th, 2011
12:56 am

Just watched the youtube video on Keith Benson…95% of his shots were off balance,awkward and honestly looked like answered prayers.Jon Diebler and Josh Selby were still on the board at the time and both carry more trade value than this guy so that tells me the the Hawks plan on keeping him……..Al will still be at the 5 spot next yr…..I like smoove,but if you wanted to move him,I think Greg Oden and Andre Miller would have been a nice move,Here we go again Hawks fans

JSS

June 24th, 2011
1:14 am

Love the pick, even Sund could not screw it up! Go watch his play against Michigan State. Izzo had no answer for him… I rather have “answered prayers” over not scoring at all, we had that the whole Chicago series. Shoot, Ron Artest has made a career of that mess…

Anyone hoping for Oden, well that speaks volumes… The man has not spent anytime on a NBA in more than 2.5 years…

The U

June 24th, 2011
1:25 am

Ok its homework time Mr. Sund. You want size and toughness, go here Colonial Athletic Conference and look for Frank Hassel Old Dominion University. 6′9″ 240 PF. A lefty with good rebound fundamental and a good low post game. This is a gift on me he’s a steal with more heart than any of those stiffs at the end of your bench now.

Terrell

June 24th, 2011
1:36 am

For those knocking the pick. Dwight Howard was 225 coming out of high school. Benson has said he put on about 5 pounds so that would put him at about 222. Yes I know this was Dwight right out of high school, but he put iin the work to build his frame, and I believe Benson will do the same. He is only 22 years old so he can put on that extra weight. I lived in metro Detroit so I saw some of his games, and because Oakland isn’t too far from where I lived I heard a lot about him.

Columbus

June 24th, 2011
1:53 am

Dikembe was skinny….if this guy can jump, he can block shots like him cuz Mutombo had no air…this guy is gaining weight and pumping iron…remember Dikembe when he would go up defensively against a much bigger guy? Man he would spread his legs so far apart for leverage…that WIDE base…this guy needs to watch Dikembe’s game….he probably has.. Might be his idol for all I know. Who is going to teach him to play center is what I want to know.? I will say this for the Hawks. We already had Collins so another slow big guy to fill the lane was useless really. They got a center, he should be quick, can play defense which is what it’s all about in the playoffs(that and scoring on great defenses!) Hawks can score so I hope with Teague and this guy POSSIBLY, may be able to help on D immediately. Maybe we got a sleeper….now lets get rid of ASG before the season starts….

EmirS.

June 24th, 2011
2:12 am

“2) Don’t let him out of the weight room. Put a bed and a refrigerator in there, then lock the door.”

LOL awesome.

Atleast now we have something forward to look for. Can’t wait to see what the kid has on an NBA floor!

Grandad

June 24th, 2011
2:18 am

We didn’t need Diebler, we already have Gladyr !

Than

June 24th, 2011
2:22 am

Wow hawks fans are fakes…….. what more can you exspect from the 48th pick. this is a obvious steal. even if he turns out bad. (oh well it was just a 48th pick).

i really have high exspentations for this guy. he does need about 10-20 more pounds but its okay.

long as he has good worth ethic and TEAM WILLING TO GIVE SOME PLAYINGTIME….

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 24th, 2011
2:29 am

“One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach”

-Larry Drew

Something else to look forward to! I’m really excited to hear that. We’ll see if it really pans out in such a manner.

I’m gonna keep that quote as part of my name until opening day!

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 24th, 2011
2:32 am

Opening night*

Grandad

June 24th, 2011
2:32 am

Najeh

Lucas Noguiera pulled out of the draft last week.

hawks_4_life

June 24th, 2011
2:43 am

This is a pipe dreams but why not have Dwight come home if he wants to play with Josh so bad.

Michael Cunningham

June 24th, 2011
3:29 am

blog updates with link to draft story.

good night, blog people. or good morning. or something. hell, i’m tired.

Worldwide Clyde

June 24th, 2011
3:43 am

I’d rather have Benson at center than Horford.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
4:08 am

From MC’s game story:

“The NBA said it’s the first time four players with no NCAA experience were selected in the draft lottery.”

If the NBA said this they need a refresher on their own history. The 2001 NBA draft had six players (Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, Eddy Curry, DeSagana Diop, Vladimir Radmanovic) who didn’t play any sort of college basketball plus Kedrick Brown who only played at the junior college level.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
4:08 am

That’s only for the lottery portion of the ‘01 draft.

realnbafan!

June 24th, 2011
5:18 am

did you 4 no real reason lebron haters know that him and sprite are teaming up 2 rebuild playgronds in 40 cities across america ,was’nt really that big on him until, I’VE SEEN SO MANY HATERS 4 REAL IT’S MORE 2 TALK ABOUT FAR AS A GREAT PLAYER, WHO DID WHAT EMPLOYERS DO 2 US EVERYDAY ,HOW MANY OF U OUT THERE WANNA REALLY TELL YO BOSS HOW STUPID HE IS & THAN QUIT WITHOUT A NOTICE, i know i would LOVE 2, MEDIA SURE KNOWS HOW 2 BUILD SOMEONE UP & TAKE HIM DOWN did you even know he put his boys thru COLLEGE ALSO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!BUT U HATE HIM, them BOYS helped him seal a deal w/ partially owning a SOCCER TEAM ONE OF THE HOTTEST SPORTS IN THE BIZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!can anyone say WORLD CUP $$$$$$$$$$$$ STOP LISTENING 2 THE MEDIA SMALL PERCENT OF THEM MADE IT 2 THE LEAGUE, those the real WIMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BAMA dude

June 24th, 2011
6:42 am

Two things:

1) Benson’s 09-10 highlights are impressive, especially in the Kansas and Pitt games. Good shot blocker and shoots the baby hook with either hand,

2) That 5:18am post is one of the more incoherent and illiterate things I have read.

O'Brien

June 24th, 2011
7:13 am

Najeh,

I think what they meant to say is its the first time 4 “international” players….

As for Benson, I never saw any of his highlights, so I’m not sure what to expect. But in his senior year in college at South Florida, Solomon Jones averaged 13 and 10 if I’m not mistaken.

That being said, I have very little confidence that LD will give him PT when he has Hilton Armstrong and Rolle on the bench.

As for the Hawks core, I will not be surprised when the entire team comes back next year.

deron

June 24th, 2011
7:19 am

The Hawks did the best they could in a shallow draft. Kyrie and Derrick are good players, but I don’t think they would be drafted in the top 5 of most drafts. Maybe the foreign players will surprise us 5 years from now. There will be a lot of hole-filling in this draft, no franchise-changing players.

http://theresastatforthat.blogspot.com/2011/06/deepest-draft-classes-since-1981.html

Coach D

June 24th, 2011
7:21 am

The same player as Hilton Armstrong from the little video I have seen… Guess you can’t expect much from the 48th pick. Hopefully he’ll surprise us, seems like a good kid.

Ray

June 24th, 2011
7:37 am

Okay I stayed up last night to watch the draft up until the #50 pick I saw the hawks select Keith Benson. If there is anything I can say I watched a few games of his on ESPN. I just will say this it’s one thing to me if Dick Vitale is saying some good things about and during the games he was. At that point Benson was suppose to be a 1st rounder.

Another thing I take from this is we now have Zaza, Collins, Rolle, Armstrong, Benson.
Which leads me to believe two of these guys are eliminated most likely it will be Rolle and Armstrong or at least Rolle will have a shot to join, but Armstrong is all, but gone.

Now as it stands
Starters
Teague
Joe
Smith
Horford
Zaza(I’d rather he be the starter than Collins)

Bench
Kirk
?
Marvin
?
Collins

ntrigue

June 24th, 2011
7:48 am

TYou all don’t know basketball you can’t go off what scouts sat about a player all the time unless you’ve seen the kid play yourself. I’ve seen this kid play and will definitely help us next season. Let him hit weight room hard and throw him in there with josh and al and our interior defense improves drastically. No one will want to come in the paint and he will probably Avg something like 8pts 8 rebs 1.5 blocks a game if he gets the mins needed.

robert

June 24th, 2011
7:57 am

Josh Smith should NOT be traded.Trade Joe some how some where.If they do trade Josh I hope its to Orlando.I’ll then be an Orlando fan and forget about the Hawks and sorry management.

robert

June 24th, 2011
8:02 am

Oh! realnbafan,Lebron is hated because he is a piece of crap with no integrity.It’s players like him that ruin the league.

Youalreadyknow

June 24th, 2011
8:07 am

That’s right Atlanta, go ahead and give up another potential super star. I don’t know what it is with this franchise, if it don’t work out in 3, 4, 5 years time to give up on a guy and send him somewhere else only to watch him hoist an NBA CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY a few years later. I really hate being a sports fan in this town, has to be the worse place in America to be a sports fan.

JoJo the Godfather

June 24th, 2011
8:18 am

Collins and Armstrong are unrestricted free agents. I’m not sure why everyone keeps assuming they will be back. Right now, we have Teague, Hinrich, Johnson, Sy, Williams, Smith, Horford, and Pachulia, with the rights/option on Benson and Rolle. I expect 2 of Sy, Rolle, and Benson to be active each game without any impact from a trade or new CBA.

drmaryb (*_*)

June 24th, 2011
8:22 am

X-Mas Wish!

All I asked for @ #48 was:

Size
Rebounder
Defender

I’m stoked! Yeah!

JObJO

June 24th, 2011
8:22 am

GOOD DRAFT PICK!
NOW REST UP AND GET READY FOR ANOTHER SEASON.
SHOOT LOTS OF SHOTS. STRETCH ALOT.
HERE WE GO.

ILL-Logical

June 24th, 2011
8:35 am

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
8:41 am

Terrell – Dwight was 18, and weighed 240. This guy will be 23 in a couple of months, and weighs around 220, so don’t go there. No comparison.

Columbus – Mutombo was a legit 7-1, 7-2 with the shoes on. Benson is 6-11 with shoes. No comparison.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
8:51 am

I actually like the Hawks new direction. We had been trying to get experience and locker room voices at the end of the bench: Powell, Etan and those types.

Now we’ve decided to go young (and cheap, but exciting as well) with Rolle, Sy, Benson and maybe Armtrong.

And it’s pretty obvious Benson’s slot, at least what it looks like to me, is:

1) A backup to Josh Smith. He’s gotta be at least as good as Powell, maybe better. Long, protects the rim, can run the floor.

2) A match up at 5 if needed, if we need longer than Horford, but not as big as ZaZa or Collins (if he’s back, hope he is), this kid can do the trick.

And again, I’m glad we’re getting back to our “roots”. The Hawks are at their best in transition. We are a young, fresh, athletic team, and I think getting Rolle and Benson re-enforces that strength, and if Teague runs the PG, watch out!

I’m glad we’re not trying to stuff half court BB into our strength, which is athleticism, but it looks like we’re going to make teams play to our strength.

3 straight EC semi’s, it’s about time we developed our own identity.

In ‘10 the Suns almost beat the lakers in the playoffs with “their” style of play. Glad we’re going back to what we do best it seems, at least by the recent player moves

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
9:03 am

Of course, you could always say the reason ASG did not use next seasons 2nd round picks to get into this years 2nd round is because the 2nd picks next season will be paid about 20-33% less than this years 2nd picks, depending on the new CBA.

But that would be a cynical way to think, that the Hawks would be concerned about that kind of money to the possible detriment of the team. Oh well…

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
9:06 am

What a day yesterday!!

Josh to the Timberwolves for Enes Kanter – Not!!

The Hawks sold in a surprise move that even their own executives didn’t know about it according to SI – Not!!

So we keep the #48 pick, and life goes on.

gomabman

June 24th, 2011
9:07 am

Decent pick. Now if the Spirit will do us all a favor and complete the sell of the Hawks, it would be much appreciated. We need an owner interested in winning and not filling his/her pockets. The Spirit group has been a colossal mess from Belkin to Billy (Knight). They blew it on getting Avery Johnson, etc. (Still need a coach) This team has been on autopilot since Woody left. They should have never let Woodson go. Seriously, they haven’t a clue nor an interest in building a winning basketball team in Atlanta. Let’s be honest. Thanks, but no thanks…bye, bye, Spirit!

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
9:15 am

I think we probably go into next season looking alot like this barring a major trade or somthing (and I think we re-sign Collins and Wilkens):

Center – Al/ZaZa/Collins

PF – Josh/Rolle/Benson

SF – Marvin/Wilkens/Sy

SG – JJ/Wilkens/Sy/Hinrich/FA

PG – Hinrich/Teague/maybe a FA

That’s 12 players. We will probably get another combo G. I’d invite Hansbrough, Lighty, McCamey Wanamaker, Diante Garret and Hopson (wing) to camp as soon as possible. And for another big, I’d invite Greg Smith out of Fresno St.

Sign one or two of these camp invitees, and your at a 13 to 14 man roster.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
9:22 am

Draft Express had Benson as their 39th best player. NBA Draft.Net had him at 46 or 47. We had him in the 30’s somewhere according to Pendegraft, so we drafted a marginal bench guy, and that’s about what you get in a good case scenario at #48.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
9:25 am

Marc Gasol was drafted #48 a few years back, so you never know about this guy….

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
9:26 am

I wouldn’t care if we re-signed Hilton Armstong. I just hope he’s working on his game and getting stronger over the summer. Vet. Min. of course

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
9:27 am

If Benson is at 224, and working out in Vegas like he says, if he’s doing it correctly, he’ll be 230 easy by the time Sept rolls around.

O'Brien

June 24th, 2011
9:40 am

Stev W,

How many legit playoff teams would be expecting contributions from guys like Sy, Role and Benson off the bench?

Astro Joe

June 24th, 2011
9:43 am

OB, I’m pretty sure that Armstrong is a UFA so we need to re-sign first. And I’m not sure that Rolle is guaranteed anything. IMO, they are both projects (Rolle and Benson) and will need to compete for token time. Ideally, they would need to out-produce a productive vet in order to move into the top 10 on the depth chart. If we build our depth chart assuming that one of them is a rotational player, then we’re in deep, deep trouble.

I know blog folk won;t be patient, but my guess is that adding 25 pounds of weight AND learning the rigors of playing in the NBA doesn;t all happen between now and November. Don’t blame LD if this guy takes a minute to produce. I’m betting that the percent of center prospects drafted after #40 who become rotational players is fairly low.

DJ

June 24th, 2011
9:48 am

I like the pick, I dont expect much though with it being the 48th.

I’ve been watching video and reading reports on him and I keep thinking of Solomon Jones. Skinny. Tall. The only difference I see with this guy is that he has a better mid-range shot. Hopefully, he will be able to come off the bench get, maybe, 3ppg and 4rpg in the next year or too.

On the Josh Smith trade rumors. The only trade that I can think of that I would like would be to the 76ers. Get Elton Brand or Andre Igoudala and like one other pieces and a draft pick in the future. Smith to Houston, I dont see anybody I would want, maybe Scola but he is not enough in my view. With the Minnesota rumors, I was so glad I didnt see that trade happen. Im not a fan of europeon prospects. If there was a trade with the twolves than Al Jefferson is the only person I like.

gomabman

June 24th, 2011
9:48 am

Can we say bye, bye Spirit!

ICECOLD

June 24th, 2011
9:49 am

marvin williams has 2 years left on a reasonable contract and can come off the bench for any team.. so he is tradeable.. I dont know if we can get talent for him but we can package him with somebody for a trade … al horford is getting all this praise so if we trade him now we can get dwight howard if they are afraid they are going to lose him… he wouldnt want to come here without josh smith being here. that wouldnt make any sense.! ! kirk hinrich has a nine million expiring contract, thats attractive to people.. we just drafted a decent back up big man who could be a starter one day… so if you have to throw zaza in that trade with for dwight howard!!! al horford zaza , and marvin williams and kirk if you have too for DWIGHT HOWARD , RYAN ANDERSON and CASH! !!!!

then we can spend the cash on Jamal Crawford contract!!!

starting five would be

Jeff Teague
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Ryan Anderson
Dwight Howard

bench
( get a vet point )
Jamal crawford
Damien Wilkins
Magnum Rolle
Keith Benson , Hilton Armstrong , Jason Collins

playoffs
same starting five
jamal crawford
Damien Wilkins
Keith Benson

The Real Hawk

June 24th, 2011
9:52 am

DinasaurFenton

June 24th, 2011
9:55 am

I TRULY HOPE THAT THE SI STORY IS TRUE AND THAT THE HAWKS ARE SOLD. THAT WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD BE LEAVING ATLANTA SOON AND WE WONT HAVE TO SEE THEIR FACES ANYMORE. THAT WOULD BE JUST FINE WITH ME. THE HAWKS PLAYERS DONT CARE AT ALL AND THE OWNERS JUST WANT TO MAKE MONEY IRRESPECTIVE OF THE PRODUCT THEY ARE PUTTING ON THE FLOOR. LAST YEAR THE HAWKS GOT “C-R-U-S-H-E-D” IN ORLANDO IN THEIR SERIES BY A MARGIN OF OVER 100 POINTS, SETTING A NEW NBA RECORD. THE HAWKS WERE SO PROUD OF THEIR RECORD THAT JOE JOHNSON STORMED OFF THE FLOOR SAYING, HE DOESNT CARE WHAT THE FANS THINK ABOUT THE TEAM, YET ITS THE FANS WHO WERE PAYING JOE JOHNSON HIS INFLATED “MAX” SALARY FOR JUST FLAT OUT QUITTING AGAINST THE BULLS THIS YEAR. THE HAWKS PLAYERS HAVE A ROTTEN “LOSING” ATTITUDE AND THEY WILL GET NOWHERE UNTIL THEY GET A COACH WHO WILL KICK THEIR BUTTS AND MAKE THEM PLAY WINNING BASKETBALL. JERRY SLOAN IS THE MAN WHO CAN DO THAT FOR THE HAWKS. THE HAWKS SHOULD BE INTERVIEWING SLOAN NOW IF THEY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT KEEPING THE TEAM IN ATLANTA.

Mike is Back

June 24th, 2011
9:55 am

MC, like said…I like the pick…it was a solid pick at 48.
We you are looking for reserves…you want guys that fit a certain role…this kid fits an area of need for the Hawks…You want a blue collar guys…that can contribute. Dude is a shot blocker…weight or no weight.

I’m not implying he will be able to compete with lights of D12…but I think it was a quality pick for Sund and ASG…I’m not good enough to predict the future…so I don’t if he will pan out…BUT I’m looking forward to seeing him play…in a weak draft like this…you are actually getting a lot quality with this pick.

Terrell

June 24th, 2011
9:59 am

SteveW

I guess you didn’t read all of my post. I already stated that Dwight was in high school, but Benson is only 22. He can still grow into that body. He can pack on the weight if he pushes himself. Also Benson won’t be a PF unless LD goes “Big”.

Terrell

June 24th, 2011
10:02 am

DinasaurFenton

The Hawks will be in Atlana until the bonds for Phillips Arena are paid for which is around the year 2028.

dj dascorpian

June 24th, 2011
10:12 am

hawksfancents95

June 24th, 2011
10:18 am

i understand the people who are disappointed with this pick and compare benson to the likes of rolle, armstrong and soloman jones. appareance wise they all are the same, tall, skinny, lanky. but keith is a center that after one or two years will be able to start. he is a better defensive player than jones rolle or armstrong with his man D, and he is a great weak side helper. keith benson at #48 is a great pick as 6′11 guys that are athletic are hard to come by so late in the second round. we got a good big that can help us immediatley and now we can workout a few wing players to hopefully sign. id rather take a good big in the 2nd rd and workout sg/sf FAs than take a sg/sf and have to find a FA big that could help. an yes benson is skinny but think about kevin durant coming out of texas. kd couldnt bench 185 once but he didnt get pushed around or people call him weak. u can play skinny but as long as u get good positioning and have determination/will u will play bball well. with that said adding 10-20lbs wont hurt
welcome to ATL keith benson

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 24th, 2011
10:18 am

Why are we still discussing what Joe Johnson said in that playoff lost? Am I missing something?

The guy we drafted has everything we’ve been complaining about. He can add more muscle and become a pretty nice framework for the bench. I think it’s really unfair to start calling this guy out when he hasn’t even put on a shoe and played with the team!

Come on guys be reasonable…atleast a tiny bit.

DinasaurFenton

June 24th, 2011
10:23 am

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Progeny

June 24th, 2011
10:32 am

I think the Hawks really need to figure out if they are in rebuild mode, or if they are in win now mode. The past couple of moves by managment have been very shortsighted, and they have pursued players that do not make us championship contenders. I think that the Jordan Crawford trade speaks volumes about the shortsightedness of the leadership to do what is right. That trade showed a lack of confidence in Teague, and didnt allow us to get as high a value for Jordan as we otherwise could have.

To this draft..
Decent for the 48th pick in a weak draft. I’m actually surprised Benson didn’t go earlier in the 2nd round. He’s clearly got the skill, just needs the body and the motor. Overall a great value pick at 48. Basically Etan’s replacement.

I liked the Chandler Parsons kid, as well as the Hansbrough Kid from Notre Dame. Greg Smith and David Lightly need to be at camp for sure.

Jack

June 24th, 2011
10:36 am

How in the world do you call yourselves sports reporters and you don’t know anything about Marshon Brooks? He won the AAAA State Championship for Tucker High and was the #2 scorer in the country and #1 for the Big East and just went #25 in the draft and you have no mention of him? You all don’t cover local talent well at all.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
10:37 am

Terrell – You said, “Dwight Howard was 225 coming out of high …”

Then you said, “I already stated that Dwight was in high school,”

I just assumed you meant coming out of high school, his combine stats. He must have graduated early if the combine is in April/May, and school doesn’t graduate until May.

I read your post.

Also, Larry Drew in the above article – “Hawks coach Larry Drew said Benson can play power forward and center.”

So we won’t have to “go big” for him to play, he can just back up Josh at PF

Rufus1

June 24th, 2011
10:41 am

If Benson was a European….

HE WOULD BE A LOTTERY PICK EASY…. 17PTS, 10REBS AND 3.6BLOCKS and can finish with either hand.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
10:42 am

Facts about Keith Benson:

His God-Mother is Monica Kauffman/Pearson

His mother went to Spellman and his dad to Morehouse

He was double promoted in elementary school, because he is very brilliant as an only child, and one of his parents is a college professor, so they just invested in him.

He comes from the same High School as: Javale McGee, Chris Webber, and Shane Battier

Since Chirs Webber lives in ATL, his high school coach is going to hook them up so Chris can show him the ropes.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
10:49 am

OB – Haha! That’s correct, not many. But that’s the path the Hawks have taken, so I just gotta deal with it.

Now Josh Powell routinely gets voted by media as the “worst player in the League” on a personal level.

Then Bibby gets some votes as the “worst starter in the NBA Finals ever” love in an article.

So when your dealing with the worst player in the League, and the worst starter ever in the finals, it doesn’t take too much to step.

So Rolle, Benson, Sy, and maybe even Armstrong if he’s re-signed, get some marginal minutes.

But not too many playoff teams I know of are scraping that low at the bottom of the barrel, you are correct

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
10:52 am

But you know, if Rolle and Benson can give you some spot minutes with energy, that’s not so bad. It’s all in your expectations of them. i try to have very realistic expectations for these guys, and feel like they can meet that role on this team.

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
11:06 am

SteveW, that is good stuff, but you gotta add to your story how did a kid this big and with his academic background end up at Oakland. You usually hear about this type of kid at a Vandy or Stanford, not Oakland.

Jay Dubu

June 24th, 2011
11:14 am

This is Hilton Armstrong without the NBA experience and a few pounds lighter.

wordsmithtom

June 24th, 2011
11:22 am

If he can play as well as Hilton, he’s a great pick at 48. Hilton showed me against NY that he has game, if LD will play him. A 22 year old with this much talent is a great pick late 2nd round.

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
11:37 am

All the rumors with Minnesota may be fine, but it didn’t make sense to move Josh. Joe should have been the bait, and you probably could fix 2-3 slots on this end….Would Sund roll the dice, move Joe to Utah for Kanter, and perhaps Raja Bell as a bench player, as Utah has cap room to take on Joe’s numbers?
I know the locals would like Favors to come in here, and that might be doable. That along with bringing JC1 back would free up some cap space and it might still give us enough:

Josh/Al/Kanter/Teague(Kirk)/JC1 (provided he comes back for 6M/year

Bench: Bell/Favors/Kirk(Teague)/Zaza/Benson

Simply, that gives us a deeper team with some actual bench depth.

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
11:41 am

And the above scenario, I still dispise Josh as a jumpshooting threat at the 3.

Why is it that the Atlanta Hawks are always, no matter the topic, whether it be draft, trades, free agency, playoffs, or team previews, why are they the least talked about team in the league? Are we just so drab that we can’t get any discussion at any level?
NBA-TV is in our backyard, and we get very little discussion. Obviously, I watch too much of NBA-TV.

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
11:45 am

Haha, the next am after the draft, the Utah Jazz are ready to deal Devin Harris. He gets so much talk, yet cannot keep an stable address.

Rumors aside, Utah had a very good draft. They have given Ty some talent, even though they have a bunch of big men.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
11:50 am

If the Jazz would give us Kanter, Bell, and Favors for JJ, I’d do that in a heartbeat, but I doubt they would.

Nate ArchiBALL

June 24th, 2011
11:51 am

@ SteveW – Spelman (one l)

tyger

June 24th, 2011
11:54 am

Hawks BIGS:

Horford 6′9 245
Pachulia 6′11 270
Collins 7′0 300
Armstrong 6′11 240
Rolle 6′11 225
Benson 6′11 217

I’d call that a nice set of options, we haven’t had that kinda length since Tree Rollins, Moses, Carr, Levingston, Nique, and Volkov

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
11:54 am

Grandad – Benson is working out at the place Chauncey Billups credits with his success. Billups been there the past 12 years.

So there’s hope

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
11:54 am

Thanks Nate!

Astro Joe

June 24th, 2011
11:55 am

Guys, come on… the Jazz will look to move a big salary like Al Jefferson before they hand over two promising and very cheap bigs like Kanter and Favors.

DinasaurFenton

June 24th, 2011
11:59 am

I hope that ALL FOUR major sports eventually move out of town. Atlanta has proved over the years to be a CURSE city for their franchises. Every time one of their franchises rises up to the top of the heap and comes close to championship quality, something happens UNEXPLICABLY to cause their demise: I’ll recap rather quickly:

1980 ATLANTA FALCONS [SUPERBOWL CALIBRE TEAM--BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE]
LOST TO DALLAS COWBOYS AFTER HAVING A HUGE LEAD. THAT TEAM WOULD HAVE EASILY WON THE SUPERBOWL.

1988 ATLANTA HAWKS [best team in the league by far]. Hawks were ahead of the detroit pistons in the standing and for much of the decade were the better team. Somehow after the hawks held a 3-2 lead on boston in the playoffs, the Hawks somehow lost the last two games of that series to choke. The detroit pistons who were behind them, rose up and overtook them in greatness and have since won 4 nba championships.

1998 ATLANTA FALCONS [CLEARLY THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL]
FALCONS CHOKED IN THE SUPERBOWL after Eugene Robinson melted down superbowl week and solicited a prostitute, causing the teams lack of focus in the superbowl and demise in the big game. The city will never recover from that Falcons loss.

1991 ATLANTA BRAVES
BRAVES LOSE TO TWINS IN GAME 7 AFTER BLOWING THE GAME BY LONNIE SMITHS BASERUNNING ERROR. THE BRAVES WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME IN REGULATION HAD SMITH NOT MADE THAT MISTAKE. IT WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE BRAVES A WELL EARNED WORLD SERIES VICTORY BUT INSTEAD HELD THE FRANCHISE BACK AND THE BRAVES HAD TO WAIT FOUR MORE YEARS BEFORE FINALLY PUSHING THROUGH IN 1995.

1996 ATLANTA BRAVES
LOST TO THE YANKEES IN WORLD SERIES IN ANDREW JONES ROOKIE SEASON AFTER JONES HIT TWO HOME RUNS IN NEW YORK IN THE OPENING TWO GAMES OF THE SERIES. ATLANTA CAME HOME WITH A 2-0 WORLD SERIES LEAD AND SHOULD HAVE WON THE SERIES. THE CURSE OF ATLANTA TOOK OVER AND ALL OF A SUDDEN ATLANTA STRANGELY LOST FOUR STRAIGHT AND THE SERIES.

The disappointments are ENDLESS. I can go on and on. These are just the main disappointments there are probably at least 20 more. Out of the last 100 years, Atlanta has only one championship and that was their lone world series victory in 1995. Thats all that atlanta has accomplished. Sell all the teams and get them out of here. THEY WILL NEVER WIN REGARDLESS OF WHO IS COACHING THEM.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
12:12 pm

One reason Benson didn’t play at Stanford, Vandy etc. is because he was not that good of a BB player in high school.

He was benched in favor of two 6-9 transfers his Senior season, so I don’t think he was recruited by big time colleges.

Nate ArchiBALL

June 24th, 2011
12:12 pm

@SteveW – no problem. I’m a Morehouse grad.

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 24th, 2011
12:22 pm

@DinasaurFenton

Well why don’t you become a fan of some other professional team? Why move all the other teams of Atlanta…why not just move yourself out? I’m sure we can do without you. :)

Nate ArchiBALL

June 24th, 2011
12:26 pm

Big Ray

June 24th, 2011
12:35 pm

Hawks general manager Rick Sund said Atlanta explored potential trades to move into the first round but “there was nothing that really made sense.”

Gee, we didn’t see THAT quote coming…

jason

June 24th, 2011
12:40 pm

So the Hawks don’t improve this offseason. If you still want to win my respect sund, fire LD.

Big Ray

June 24th, 2011
12:41 pm

I hope Benson does well for us. But I’m not excited. Now before the pile of “well, who would YOU have picked” morons chimes in again…here is why:

1) The kid is too skinny and too weak right now.

2) Every report on him alludes to a lack of something along the lines of aggression when it comes to rebounding and being physical, and even motivation.

3) Drew isn’t any more likely to play this kid to “develop” him than Woodson would have been.

Yes, all of this could change. But holding your breath or staking the contents of your wallet on it is foolish.

We shall see. No Summer League means no PT for him until preseason, assuming that happens.

Big Ray

June 24th, 2011
12:43 pm

I sure do hope he doesn’t see things the way Teague and others did in their rookie years. You know, the whole “I’ll do better if I get playing time. I’ll be more confident if I get playing time.”

Just work hard, kid. Set realistic goals for yourself. If you do the best you can to BE the best you can, then the PT will come. If you act like you need the PT to improve, it ain’t never gonna come. Know what you’re getting into here and respond accordingly.

Astro Joe

June 24th, 2011
12:51 pm

Big Ray, if dude needs to work on his strength and conditioning as well as his motor, then I would suggest those things are best managed away from 82 regular season games. I suspect that he could be like Ryan Hollins was in his early days, an energy shot-blocker off the bench that did one of two things on the defensive end, blocked a shot or fouled while being pushed into the 5th row. Most “raw” big men first need to learn how not to pick up 3 fouls in 2 minutes before they can reasonably stay on the floor for more than token minutes. If he tries to block everything, he’ll exhaust his foul allotment in record time. If the Hawks are looking for a shot-blocker off the bench (to play a steady 15+ minutes) I hope they have other plans than this guy. And I’m not knocking him… I personally like the pick.

Trading Sy and Horford for Rocket big men and #14 + 23/2nd rounder picks for Donatas & M.Thomas

June 24th, 2011
12:55 pm

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
12:58 pm

Last season it seemed like the off season moves were designed to match up with Dwight, and get good locker room voices, practice guys, and Rings and experience aka Josh Powell and Etan Thomas.

It worked. We matched up with Dwight.

This off season it looks like we’re getting younger, and trying to match up with Chris Bosh. Tall, skinny athletic guys to stay with him while Josh gets a breather.

Al can more than match up with any C the Heat have.

Teague and Hinrich the same at PG

JJ can keep up with DWade a little bit at least.

Marvin and Wilkens can at least do a serviceable job on LeBron.

So it looks like we’re trying to match up with Bosh while Josh sits a moment in a series.

Trading Sy and Horford for Rocket big men and #14 + 23/2nd rounder picks for Donatas & M.Thomas

June 24th, 2011
1:04 pm

You added Dominique Wilkins to a list of PFs and Cs.

I can see where Josh Smith’s career is headed. Ala Shawn Marion will have to bounce around until he finds a team with a bunch of talented 7 footers

so he can be a luxury not a necessity to play well. Dirk and Kobe can suck it up the 1st half and they still win.

Why? Twin Towers and length and a bunch of guards
Chandler 7′3, Dirk 7′3, 2 titles
Bynum 7′6, Gasol 7′3 2 titles
Garnett 7′6, Perkins 7′5 2 finals

Hawks (Twin centers with no talent)
7′0.75 Horford, 11mpg 33yoJason Collins 19mpg

I love Joe and Josh but
Pachulia who couldnt even guard Noah statistically and visually outperformed EVERYONE on this team except Jeff and Kirk.

team is badbadbad

Ginobili>>>> Duncan

:::::::::::
“Hawks “BIGS”:

Horford 6′9 245
Pachulia 6′11 270
Collins 7′0 300
Armstrong 6′11 240
Rolle 6′11 225
Benson 6′11 217

I’d call that a nice set of options, we haven’t had that kinda length since Tree Rollins, Moses, Carr, Levingston, Nique, and Volkov”

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

June 24th, 2011
1:07 pm

“http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214339/Rockets_See_Shades_Of_Nowitzki_In_Motiejunas”

And I see “shades” of Marcus Camby in Keith Benson. Likelihood of either happening?

Slim to none: Slim being Benson becoming Camby-like. None being…well, you know.

DownGoesFrazier

June 24th, 2011
1:08 pm

If Josh Smith were to seek out THREE MENTORS: Dominique Wilkins, Karl Malone and Akeem “The Dream” Oligowan, Josh Smith can develop his game and Smith can become a hall of fame player. Those three guys can teach Smith to become great because they were great and smith has almost unlimited talent and potential at his disposal.

Worldwide Clyde

June 24th, 2011
1:19 pm

Let’s develop Horford into a shot blocker. Send him to Mutombo for the summer so he can get his mind right. Moving out the way when someone drives down the lane ain’t gonna cut it anymore.

Dwayne

June 24th, 2011
1:24 pm

Is this guy related to George Benson? How bout Kent Benson?

Ken Strickland

June 24th, 2011
1:24 pm

Let’s not get too carried away. Even though we haven’t had a HC that’s had any interest in developing a player in over 7yrs, this might be a message to Drew. And that message is, if you make the same stupid mistake with this kid that you and your predessor made with JTeague, you’ll suffer the same fate that he did.

While LDrew has demonstrated some of the same traits of STUBBORN STUPIDITY that characterized MWoodson, let’s hope he has enough sense to avoid Woodson’s major malfunction. And that is:
1-An unwillingness to change a single thing he did, even after being told his job was on the line,
2-focusing exclusively on regular season wins, even after being told his job would depend on the teams playoff performance.

We have to ask ourselves, WILL LDREW BE DUMB ENOUGH TO FOLLOW IN WOODSON’S FOOTSTEPS AND REPEAT THE SAME STUPID MISTAKES LISTED IN 1 & 2 ABOVE? It appears the ASG has decided to discontinue over paying for under achieving veteran players so biased HC’s like MWoodson and LDrew can continue ignoring tthe development of our draft choices, even when said veteran talent is washed up and hurting the team.

You can bet, if LDrew doesn’t change his attitude and approach towards developing and playing JTeague, Pape Sy and our latest draft pick, his butt won’t be around long. And both Sund and the ASG also seem to be tired of having HC’s insist they sign or resign under performing veterans to over blown contracts.

Instead of getting rid of undeveloped draft picks after their rookie contracts have expired, they now seem far more willing to get rid of the cause, and that’s the HC.

Worldwide Clyde

June 24th, 2011
1:32 pm

Josh Smith

2nd ppg – 16.5
2nd in rbg – 8.5
1st in steals – 1.29
1st in blocks – 1.56

But yet Sund tries to trade him to draft a kid from Turkey.

SHAKING MY GOT DAM HEAD

Worldwide Clyde

June 24th, 2011
1:35 pm

I got $1000 that Benson is going to be sitting behind the bench with a suit on most of the year.

FIRE LD

Grandad

June 24th, 2011
1:54 pm

“Kito” benson:

Mother stated calling him Kito to distinguish
between he & his father.

Only two choices coming out of HS were Fairfield [Conn]
and Oakland [Mich].

Was 6-9 190, when he arrived @ Oak.
now 6-11, 224, and told DX::::
he could/would gain 20 by next season.

The difference between he and H.Armstrong:
Hands = (bigger & much, much, better) + B-ball IQ.

Don’t know where the lack of motor comes from.
Jay Bilas is a class A “dick”
Everyone in the draft (’cept for Kawhi)
takes a back-seat to Faried on intensity & relentlessness.

However, if he a Faried motor he might be Bill Russell.
On the other hand;
If he comes in and plays with enthusiasm, he could be…..
Joakim Noah.
Most likely he is similar to a laid back Jeff Teague;
and could turn into something very, very, close to…..
Javale McGee

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
1:59 pm

The Nuggets saw shades of Nowitzki in Nikoloz Tskitishvili too.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
2:01 pm

Speaking of JaVale McGee, the Wizards are going to be a problem this year athletically. John Wall has like four people who can be on the receiving end of his alley oops now.

Oh yeah, and I would think there’s a good chance Andray Blatche will be available. I’m not a huge fan but he is a productive if inconsistent big man who would probanly help as a bench player.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
2:04 pm

“One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach”

For LD to say this in reference to drafting Keith Benson tells me that he is going to value shot blocking this year, which in turn tells me that Smoove is unlikely to be traded.

I hope he also is going to extend this aggressive approach to the perimeter, and that he realizes that Teague gives him the best chance to have an aggressive perimeter defense.

Grandad

June 24th, 2011
2:04 pm

Worldwide Clyde

I was gonna take that bet;
but Mrs G-dad caught me & stopped me before…..
I could mash the button !

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
2:36 pm

KenS, I have to think that Sund himself felt it necessary to sign 2 guys prior to them heading into their last year of a contract: Marvin and Al. IMO, those were 2 boneheaded mistakes to go along with so many others that this org decides. Why not match any Al offer once one comes in, a la Josh?

The point I am trying to make in a zillion words is that I don’t place the blame on the head coach to get those guys signed for ginormous contracts that they didn’t deserver. I do recall that Marvin, Zaza and Bibby were together making 23-25M as a unit, then came back and resigned for 17M. What he did was lock us in with these 3 for years going forward instead of making them earn their paycheck for being ‘journeyman’ players. Even if these guys left, you can’t tell me they weren’t replaceable.
While I wholeheartedly agree with you on the non-youth movement that plagues Larry to this day, I don’t give he nor Woodson much credit for forcing the GM to resign those 3 journeymen. Now if Drew throws up that lame excuse for not playing Teague now, fire that lifer quickly as he has an agenda against a guy who only makes us a better team.

I like the way Sund handled the Josh contract. I liked the JC1 deal. I liked the Teague draft selection. The trade to get JC2 was okay with me as well, ‘hoping’ that Sund had seen enough of Joe to have replacements ready to go. He screwed us on that thought. That would have been a bold move and the right move. Joe isn’t a leader he tries to tell us he is. This is coming from the guy who called Bibby in his prime.

Back to the previous decisions, Josh got a fair contract in the open market, and I think Al would have been the same way.
Marvin, Zaza, and Bibby would have had to prove themselves to earn their money.
It is just strange how comfortable Rick Sund is with another GM’s players and just doesn’t have foresight to have his own plan. It bothers me to watch him just enjoy the ride and take 3-4 years to make any changes of significance. Other than the JC1 deal, he has taken the easy road in every transaction he has been involved in….

- Retaining Joe, Marvin, Zaza and Bibby
- Making Josh bring back an offer
- Letting Josh Childress just walk away as a #6 pick….idiocy because we got squat for him and Sund doesn’t know what the MLE is anyway, so what benefit is that?
- Allowed Ernie Grunfeld to rake him over the coals to dump Bibby in his lap and give up 2 #1s….that ranks as #2 all-time to what Grunfeld did to Otis Smith with Arenas, but a joke nontheless
- swaps draft picks in 2010, only to sell another one to be cheap as cheap can be. The ASG and Sund have this thinking IMO of us having enough already when we really have guys who may not play another game outside of the jersey they wear in this city. Total incompetance.
- Signing of Etan, Randolph Morris, Collins, Super Mario, Damien Wilkins (2 years later than suggested by the entire city of Atlanta), Josh Powell ( who I thought might give us something except for the fact he has 2 good PFs ahead of him). These guys were ‘lightly’ coveted by the league.

Now how much is he listening to Drew re: personnel? I don’t think much, other than Drew telling him, I will start Bibby as long as he is here.

Astro, no, the Jazz wouldn’t do that deal, nor would Sund even have fleeting thought to offer such a deal either. But that would make us a better ‘team’ even though we still don’t have a true slot for Josh.
Does anyone really think he had a better year last year than before at that slot? Use him for his strengths, not what he and Marvin think they are.

Sund’s decisions have continued to just amaze me how he continues to keep a job. The ASG nor the GM have an original idea. I read about Pendergraft and trends in the league. This organization really just takes others ideas and uses them here.

It only takes one question to be answered: has Sund made us a better organization? The answer to that depends on what you consider to be a a success. Are we heading towards a championship, or are we just going to be a 13-26 team against teams .500 or better?

Again, I don’t think Sund has a creative thought in that dome. As Eddie Kendricks used to say…just ‘Keep on Truckin’.

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
2:48 pm

Yesterday, I said I was only interested in dealing with Cleveland for their draft picks…I definitely wouldn’t even take their picks now….not much there for us.
Minnesota has an overlap of talent with Beasley, Williams and Love, that someone has to be moved IMO. Can you really depend on Millicic?
The Wizards picked up some nice pieces for Flip. They might be on the rise.
Will Philly and Milwaukee blow by us this year? Milwaukee got rid of some dead weight, Maggette and Salmons, and now have Stephen Jackson, and Tobias Harris and Udrih….I like what they are doing this year.

Sund has some work to do or he can watch others just blow right by us.

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
2:52 pm

Quote: “When all your pressure is on your jump shooters, that is a recipe for disaster”.

The quotee, Scott Skiles…..I wholeheartedly agree.

Melvin

June 24th, 2011
3:02 pm

KevinM,

Its been reported that Stephen Jackson is not happy about being traded to the Bucks. Hopefully he will act a fool along with being disgruntle then the Hawks could package Marvin for him…. LOL

ant banks

June 24th, 2011
3:03 pm

keith “kito” benson had to have known that he needed to gain weight. why would he wait until he is drafted to start talkin’ about puttin’ on 20lbs. if he had already done this thru 4 years of college, he would be nba ready and he may have gotten into this 1st round.

ant banks

June 24th, 2011
3:04 pm

WHATEVER HAPPEN TO GARRET SILER THAT ALL OF YOU ALL WERE CLAMORING FOR THE HAWKS TO BRING IN 2 YEARS AGO? LOL

Melvin

June 24th, 2011
3:04 pm

Hopefully Benson is a better ball player then a blog writer for hoopshype…..

Trading Sy and Horford for Rocket big men and #14 + 23/2nd rounder picks for Donatas & M.Thomas

June 24th, 2011
3:06 pm

#UNINTENDED IRONY

Denver Post: The Nuggets have been fielding phone calls from teams interested in trading for forward Nikoloz Tskitishvili.

An NBA source said the ATLANTA Hawks, Los Angeles Lakers, Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls and Philadelphia 76ers have inquired about Tskitishvili. The Nuggets are in search of a defensive-minded swingman, and the 7-foot- 1, 235-pound Tskitishvili could be used as bait.

Josh Smith for Tskitishvili? He’s 4″ longer than Blake Griffin, Zach and Motiejunas!

Al “Chuck Hayes” Horford has wanted someone to do his job down low for a while.

Trading Sy and Horford for Rocket big men and #14 + 23/2nd rounder picks for Donatas & M.Thomas

June 24th, 2011
3:12 pm

@Irony
And I see “shades” of Marcus Camby in Keith Benson. Likelihood of either happening?
Slim to none: Slim being Benson becoming Camby-like. None being…well, you know.

so Hawks get a shorter bootleg version of Camby a former all star. tall as Mikki Moore.

Rockets get the bootleg abilities of a taller version of future Hall of Famer. Dirk Nowitzki.

You get what you pay for. #DENIAL
::::::::::::
The point is Houston went with projecting a 7′1 power forward with 6′11 arms into being a lottery talent and he lasted to 20.

if Hawks would have had that pick… Smith, Motiejunas, Horford

TWIN TOWERS.
6′11 arms:
Blake Griffin,6′10
Motiejunas, 7′0.5 Chris Kaman,
Troy Murphy, 6′11
Zach Randolph 6′10.25

EXTREME LENGTH
Keith Benson 7′3.75 wingspan
Nikoloz Tskitishvili 7′3.75 wingspan
Yi Jianlian 7′3 wingspan

Ray

June 24th, 2011
3:39 pm

I’m going to say by elimination Armstrong and Rolle = done and gone.

I say we pick up David west(hopefully it won’t cost much) and Jason Thompson.

I think the kings would be willing to part as they got Cousins plus the 7 footer Whiteside.

Then look for a SG to back up Joe

Line-up

Teague/Kirk
Joe/?
Smith/Marvin/Wilkins
Horford/West
Thompson/Zaza/Collins/Benson

DinasaurFenton

June 24th, 2011
3:54 pm

The Hawks had a lot of questions that they couldnt answer this season. Such as WHY WASNT TEAGUE STARTING ALL YEAR? The could have won the title this year. All they had to do to get a solid ANSWER to their questions was hire the ANSWER!!!! ALAN IVERSON SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED ON TO TAKE THE HAWKS INTO THE PROMISED LAND. Look if Dallas could get Peja Stajoikavich to find the fountain of youth and turn back the clock 7 years, imagine what Alan Iverson would have done for the Hawks. GOLD TROPHY, BABY!

northcyde

June 24th, 2011
3:55 pm

What should’ve been the Hawks lineup going into this year

STARTERS

PG – Teague
G – Johnson
F – Marvin
PF – Smith
C – Horford

BENCH

PG – Bibby
G – Jordan
F – Singleton
PF – Varnado
C – Zaza

( choose 3 of the 5 )

F/C – Benson
C – Collins
G – Sy
G/F – vet minimum guy
G/F – vet minimum guy

The Hawks could’ve definitely used guys like Jordan Crawford and Chris Singleton as guys to develop off the bench. Jordan would be used in an offensive role, while Singleton would be used for defense.

It irks me that we’re going to be in the same situation next year, with the Hawks simply letting Hinrich’s contract fall off the books, with nothing but vet minimum guys to fill out the roster.

northcyde

June 24th, 2011
3:57 pm

Benson is a slight upgrade from Josh Powell. Expecting any more would be unfair to a kid drafted that low in the 2nd round.

Ray

June 24th, 2011
4:06 pm

@ Fenton

Lol Peja called on the fountain of youth during the entire playoffs I thought Peja had retired until I say him for a split second playing just to be pulled lol.

A.I he’s washed up practice we talking about practice he really needs practice lol.

I don’t expect much from Benson his first year nor the 2nd maybe looking for something in Year 3 and 4 with 5 we hope for at least a serviceable big if he became better than that I’ll be surprised.

I’d still like it if we could pick up David West and Jason Thompson get rid of Jamal somehow get rid of Marvin, but then we’d need another SF we got Wilkins I know, but need a 3rd stringer.

Trading Sy and Horford for Rocket big men and #14 + 23/2nd rounder picks for Donatas & M.Thomas

June 24th, 2011
4:44 pm

What should’ve been the Hawks lineup going into this year

STARTERS
G – Teague
G – Johnson
F – Motiejunas
F – Smith

C – Horford

BENCH

G – Bibby expiring (Ronnie Price)
G – Williams
F – Malcolm Thomas
F – {Jordan Hill??? lol nobody
C – Zaza

I’m sorry but if it werent for nepotism Damien would be gone

darrell starks

June 24th, 2011
4:45 pm

SIGN THIS GUY NOW IT WANT COST MUCH 7′1 280 THE HAWKS NEED SOME BEEF 2 PLAY CENTER WITH TOUGHNESS.
http://youtu.be/iHDp8JBG1ZY

darrell starks

June 24th, 2011
4:46 pm

darrell starks

June 24th, 2011
4:48 pm

darrell starks

June 24th, 2011
4:50 pm

drmaryb (*_*)

June 24th, 2011
5:13 pm

Hawks SOLD!

Ian Thompson of CNN-SI reported yesterday that The Hawks are on the verge of being SOLD! He is on 790 AM right now and he is standing hard behind his story. He has two NBA Insiders as his source.

He said the terms have been agreed to, but The ASKG are not far along enough in this process to validate this truth. The sale is eminent and it will happen soon. The new CBA will hold fast to a hard cap, mainly because only 3 of 20 teams are making money, while the other 17 teams are losing money.

These 3 teams can not continue to front load their teams to the detriment of all others. You can not have teams like Miami with 3 super stars. These stars have to play on other teams in smaller markets to sustain the entire NBA. The lowest team had a 44M payroll while The Lakers had a payroll of 110M. That can’t continue to happen going forward.

The new owners of The Hawks will not be disclosed until the contracts are signed. The reason Josh was not traded to Minny had much to do with this pending sale as it did anything else. The new owners have a NEW vision to make the Hawks competitive and apparently Josh is a HUGE part of that vision.
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-drmaryb The Blog Entertainment Reporter-

drmaryb (*_*)

June 24th, 2011
5:22 pm

Ian Thompson

He also stated that the investment firm that was hired by the ASKG notified them of this credible and pending offer just two hours before the draft yesterday.

The investment firm has signed off on the fact that this offer will satisfy the criteria set forth by the current owners.

My blog co-horts this deal will be consummated! We will all soon get our wishes for some owners that give a damn ’bout WINNING something.
Nobody can be or do any worse than the 8 feces throwing orangutans have done in the past 7 years – Nobody!

Wake me when the ink dries.

hawks_4_life

June 24th, 2011
5:22 pm

Drmaryb,

I call bull until I see it.

DinasaurFenton

June 24th, 2011
5:31 pm

There were SEVERAL players the Hawks could have signed to PUSH THEM OVER THE TOP to make them champions. Ive always said that the Hawks should have tried to sign former Orlando Magic Rashad Lewis AND Baron Davis. The Hawks also need to start Jeff Teague and the results would have been spectacular. Also, exchange Marvin Williams for a better player such as ANYONE.

drmaryb (*_*)

June 24th, 2011
5:48 pm

Its A Wrap!

“Drmaryb,

“I call bull until I see it.” -hawks-4-Life-
________________

I feel your pain bruh!

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
6:03 pm

DMB, daily updates…don’t leave me twistin’ in the background here? I can only refresh this blog so fast!

And MC, don’t shut down this blog! DMB is giving us some good breaking stuff!

And aren’t there 30 teams in the NBA? So I guess the NBA accountants left off the 10 teams that are making millionaires, billionaires?

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
6:14 pm

And if there is such a strike, does it allow Sund and Drew’s contract to keep expiring? Couldn’t we just try to run the organization without them?

I saw where FINALLY, FINALLY, Patrick Ewing is going to get an interview for a head coaching job. I applaud Detroit. I think Pat is as good as some that have come through the ranks and he has paid his dues. Going back before Woody, I always wanted Abdul-Jabbar to come here and take over the Hawks…give me someone that has been there! The guys that come in here have no idea how to sustain any success.
I have recently wanted Ewing to come here and let us know what he has taught Dwight and get in on some of the Magic’s success.

And why can’t a big fella get a little respect?

Grandmaster JeJe

June 24th, 2011
6:22 pm

FIRE LD
FIRE SUND

Grandmaster JeJe

June 24th, 2011
6:26 pm

DRMARYB @ 5:13 MADE MY DAY

FIRE ASG EVEN THOUGH IT’S NOT POSSIBLE

FIRE ASG

FIRE ASG

Grandmaster JeJe

June 24th, 2011
6:29 pm

what was the point of the Felton/Miller trade? Pretty average trade if u ask me

Grandad

June 24th, 2011
6:31 pm

[info for] *ant banks*

” keith “kito” benson
had to have known that he needed to gain weight.
why would he wait until he is drafted
to start talkin’ about puttin’ on 20lbs ”

He grew 2 inches & gained 34 lbs in college / = pretty good !

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KevinM

Co-Sign on Sund / having never had an original idea

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northcyde

I hear what your sayin’, but surely he’s gotta be better than JP
by a long shot…right…..Powell – worst player in the League ?

drmaryb (*_*)

June 24th, 2011
6:38 pm

Dollar Tree!

“But not too many playoff teams I know of are scraping that low at the bottom of the barrel, you are correct.” -SteveW-
____________________

Hey SteveW baby! No you didn’t pull out the 2′ square cardboard bargin bin? OMG! Can you just picture the 8 orangutans “boonked” all over the sides of that thing?

Clawing, scratching and elbowing one another to get a swipe at the bottom? Close your eyes Stevie-W! Can you get an audible of
Steve Belkin popping up and screaming, “This is too much good stuff!”

LOL!

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
6:44 pm

Yeah, you gotta question the IQ of Josh Powell when he refused to move out of the way of an ambulance. On that subject, does the JC1 legal issue keep him from getting an offer from Sund?

Al could be in the CBA dependency mode as well if Sund had any aces up his sleeve! But we know he doesn’t like anyone competing with him.

We should be way under the cap with several options…..minimum 12M under the cap. Thx again Rick for keeping us average!

Grandad

June 24th, 2011
6:47 pm

Keith Benson

Aspires to be like Kevin Garnett.

There will be those who scoff & or excoriate
the young man for setting such high goals.
As for myself, it shows courage and confidence
to aim that high.

*[very similar body type] to KG
If he can mold his body into something resembling KG;
-then…..perhaps- ?

Gwinnett Fred

June 24th, 2011
7:00 pm

I’m totally convinced the Hawks will be sold.

All it took for me was to hear one of the ASG lying sacks of S@@T say the SI.com article was incorrect.

Levinson, or whoever, just to us all a favor and get the hell out of the ATL you and all your worm co-owners.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 24th, 2011
7:11 pm

I am about to eat dinner and relax after a long week.

FIRE LD

TheAntiMe

June 24th, 2011
7:15 pm

Oaktown’s in the house!

Grandad

June 24th, 2011
7:15 pm

Mary Ellen

I’m not disputing anything you are saying;
however, let me clue you in on some of the labor dispute
*in-fighting amongst the owners.

There are two groups: *[owners]

(1) this group follows whatever Stern wants.
*(in a way Stern is right in this battle) -I’ll explain in a moment-

(2) this group we’ll call the renegades.
(younger group, Cuban, etc.)

Stern’s group understands that a lock-out will severely damage
the league when the NBA popularity is at an all-time high.

The 2nd group has been hit hard by the economy & wants to
Make Money Off Their Investment / Franchise !

**Prior to the recession / downturn / depression / whatever we’re
currently in…..owners were content to just play with their hobby
while their equity grew.

***Now these new *[renegades / my word] want to make money
off their franchise rather than just growing value.
-OR-
Not bleed money, r e ASG.

Stern is trying to bring the younger owners in line,
rather than risk a lock-out, which would de-value
the NBA brand.
Also he sees that the NFL went down a barren path,
for no good reason. *[lock-out / union decertification / etc]

So the whole lockout thing is simply an internal struggle
between the owners, with the young guns holding the majority.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
8:07 pm

“what was the point of the Felton/Miller trade? Pretty average trade if u ask me”

Apparently George Karl loves Andre Miller. Don’t know why Portland did it, other than maybe they really like Nolan Smith as a point guard and think Felton can play the 2 in a small back court.

Buddy Grizzard

June 24th, 2011
8:08 pm

Drmaryb got too much good stuff LOL!

I can’t argue about all the bad contracts the Hawks have signed and all the bad moves made. The Hawks turned down an opportunity to go into rebuild mode by overpaying Joe.

So now the only thing worth talking about is what the Hawks can do to compete for a championship this year.

LD

Needs to find consistency with his rotations and make better adjustment in the playoffs.

Sund

Needs to replace Etan, Powell and Collins. The latter is too old and slow to be effective again next season. The formed just weren’t effective to begin with. I respect Etan’s activism but I want to win not save the world.

Joe

Needs to earn his contract by coming into camp in the best shape of his life. If he reports at 230 he’s going to have a good season.

Marvin

Needs to drop weight and strengthen his core. If be tries to continue at his current weight he will be Larry Johnson.

Josh

Needs to work with a sports psychologist and get his mental game together. Stop being jealous of Joe’s contract and go earn your own max deal. Come back ready to dominate inside and run with Teague.

Kirk

Needs to work on flexibility to avoid injury in a contract year. A journeyman who plays the right way and leads with hustle by example.

Teague

Needs to get some game with females so he doesn’t have to make any more headlines. Seriosly dude if you just have some self confidence their are plenty of ladies who want it.

Al

Man the F up. You are an all NBA center. You are nowhere near the best power forward on you team. Take off the diaper and ask Dwight where he gets his roids. No piss testing during a lockout.

N.D.T.K.A.

June 24th, 2011
8:09 pm

DMB is correct. David Aldridge just said on NBATV’s draft review that the ASG are selling the majority stake in the Hawk’s for $300 million dollars and that ASG will remain as minority owners.

Ken Strickland

June 24th, 2011
8:09 pm

KEVINM-What I don’t understand is why Sund let the market dictate JSmith contract value, but for whatever reason he didn’t take the same approach with Bibby and Marvin, which would have made more sense. I think resigning Bibby and Marvin was primarily to let Woodson have what he wanted in his quest for a new contract. Resigning Horford, Zaza and JJ was primarily a management decision.

Trading Bibby and letting Jamal walk was/is exclusively a management decision. There’s absolutely no way on earth Drew would part with Bibby or Jamal if it was up to him. Sund has set it up where Drew has no other choice but to change his OFF 1st philosophy and focus on DEF. And this time it’ll be more than just lip service on his part, since there is no longer any total DEF liabilities on the team.

We’re now simular to the Bulls in that we’ll have to win more with DEF than OFF, although we’ll still have more OFF firepower than they do. Because of financial constraits, and the inability to trade certain over priced veterans, Sund and the ASG will require Drew to save his job by basically getting better results out of what amounts to the same team he had last yr, especially the core.

If LDrew takes a more common sense approach, becomes more proactive in dealing with players, and doesn’t allow his personal issues and bias’ to get in the way, it can certainly be done. For the 1st time in the last 7yrs, we’ll have a back court rotation that can provide a solid perimeter DEF that can actually help our frontline rotation(interior DEF).

In the past, our frontline defenders were required to provide not only interior DEF, but come out on the perimeter and help cover for 2 of our extremely sorry excuses for perimeter defenders. I can’t wait to see the overall OFF/DEF impact Teague and Hinrich will have on the team, particularily our interior DEF.

Drew have to be more proactive, rather than reactive, about JSmith’s imaturity, shot selection and decision making. Complaining and talking to him behind closed doors will no longer get it done. He’ll also have to stop making excuses for not giving rookies and younger players like JTeague, Pape Sy, and now Benson, a legitimate chance to show what they can do.

I’m really looking forward to the upcoming season, and I won’t spend the rest of the off season whinning, crying and complaining about who we didn’t draft, shoulda coulda drafted, or who we need to trade or trade for.

drmaryb (*_*)

June 24th, 2011
8:12 pm

Blood Hound!

Kevin M! What’s up honey child? Boy am I scrounging around the wires looking for some good stuff that will validate getting these owners run out of town.

Hey, they ain’t gotta’ go home – but they got to leave Philips Arena – for real! The lights are on, the roaches and rats are running towards the baseboards, and the ASKG have got to go!

Go ahead Grandmaster JeJe – put a pype-bomb under their desks!
FIRE IT UP! We don’t need no water – let the MF’ers burn … Burn MF’ers Burn! He He – JeJe. LMBAO.
________________

On a serious note, Grand-Daddy, thank you for your insight. That makes a lot of sense to me re:

Old Skool Owners -vs- New Skool Owners, with the Old Wizard behind the curtain, STERN-LY stirring the drink. (-smirks-)

Which brings me to the next question: why isn’t there a term limit on commissioners in sports. How long will we have to see the mental midget announce draft picks? I mean Stern doesn’t even look like he could have ever played basketball in his LIFE!
________________

FIRE ASKG anyway – the fans have spoken.

Buddy Grizzard

June 24th, 2011
8:13 pm

Thank you iPhone for the great spell checker.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
8:27 pm

Hawks are bringing in shooting guard Jeremy Hazell from Seton Hall for their free agent minicamp next week. I don’t know much about him but here are his highlights.

Mike

June 24th, 2011
8:31 pm

@N.D.T.K.A. and DMB,

Can you send me the link to that, because the story is still CNNSI and he stick to it. I got guess it will be next week when they tell us about the sale

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
8:33 pm

drmaryb, I hope you are right.

I don’t mind the DASG being minority owners as long as they have zero control over basketball decisions.

Mike

June 24th, 2011
8:38 pm

They probably be owner by name only, and that it is.

vava74

June 24th, 2011
8:43 pm

Najeh,

Hazell’s moves are a carbon copy of Jordan Crawford’s but he lack the physical skills (jumping, agility, …)

vava74

June 24th, 2011
8:47 pm

Kito looks promising to me.

His moves are kind of old school.

It’s like watching NBA highlights of the 60’s and 70’s since his release, his good use of the glass and his apparent knack to the get the roll are not typical on nowadays’ players.

Buddy Grizzard

June 24th, 2011
9:01 pm

Yes could those of you quoting reporters in regards to the sale of the Hawks please provide links… I can’t find these stories.

nba-stinks

June 24th, 2011
9:15 pm

WHY IS THIS TEAM STILL IN ATLANTA ????? SEATTLE IS THE PLACE FOR THIS WORTHLESS
FRANCHISE OWNED BY THE WORST LIARS EVER. NEVER A DIME MORE TO ATLANTA STUPID GROUP AND THE FASTER THIS nba CRAP LEAVES TOWN THE BETTER !!!!!!

OH, BUT WAIT… OLD KISMEE WOULD BE ON THE CORNER SELLING FRIED CHICKEN AND WATERMELONS TO SAVE THE TEAM, GO AWAY hawks !

Randy

June 24th, 2011
9:21 pm

Didn’t we already have this type of player in Soloman Jones?

Grandmaster JeJe

June 24th, 2011
9:25 pm

myrak43

June 24th, 2011
9:27 pm

Keith Benson main combine numbers are

Height w/o shoes 6′10″ w shoes 6′11″ weight 217 lbs wingspan 7′3.75″ standing reach 9′1.5″ vert 36.0 and for those who think he will be to weak he benched 12 reps.

Javale McGee main combine numbers were

Height W/o 6′11″ with 7′0″ weight 241 lbs wingspan 7′6″ standing reach 9′6.5″ vert 32.5 benched 7 reps

and just for chits and giggles

Marcus Camby combine numbers w/o 6′11″ weight 223 lbs.

myrak43

June 24th, 2011
9:29 pm

Soloman Jones had no offensive game. Benson can score inside with his left or right and he has a nice outside game as well.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
9:39 pm

One problem with comparing Benson’s combine numbers to those of McGee or Dwight Howard is that Benson is a 22 year old college senior while Howard came straight out of high school and McGee was a 20 year old college sophomore.

A better comparison is Hilton Armstrong, who like Benson was a 22 year old college senior when he was drafted. Hilton beat out Benson 13-12 in the bench press and outweighed him 240-217 at the draft combine, both are about tied in their wingspan and standing reach, Benson is taller by less than an inch, but the one area where Benson clearly grades out higher is in his vertical.

SteveW

June 24th, 2011
9:41 pm

For those thinking Jeff Teague is weak, he did more reps at the combine than Keith Benson, and was also almost a couple of years younger than Benson at the combine.

Teague was a “neighborhood” gymnast – strong and in great shape.

Grandad – Benson works out at Garnett’s gym in Vegas – not one KG owns, but one he has utilized to improve his game.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 24th, 2011
9:44 pm

Solo at the draft combine (at age 21, a month shy of his 22nd birthday) graded out shorter than either Hilton or Benson, but weighed more than Benson, had the same standing reach and wingspan as Hilton, and had a higher vertical than either one. He only managed half as many bench press reps as Benson though.

At the end of the day though I take these measurements with a grain of salt. All it tells me is that Benson and Hilton are very similarly built and that it’s likely neither one is quite the same caliber of athlete as Solo. Benson’s toughness and ball skills are going to go a lot farther in determining whether or not he has an NBA future than predraft measurements.

poolefan

June 24th, 2011
9:52 pm

demitri mccamey coming to hawks minicamp he’s a good player

N.D.T.K.A.

June 24th, 2011
9:57 pm

I don’t have a link but the eastern conference draft review comes on again at 11pm tonight and at the very end of the program the Hawks are discussed and David Aldridge confirms Ian Thomsen’s story of the Hawks being sold soon and stated that the new owner is buying the majority stake for $300 million and the Spirit Group is keeping a minority stake.

DA also said the ASG are very secretive about who the new owner is. DA also said Sund just basically put Smoove on the block to see what kind of interest he would garner and that the Hawks wanted a lot in return for Smoove, hence this is why Smoove is still a Hawk.

brigadierjerry

June 24th, 2011
9:59 pm

drmaryb,

I know you like old school music like myself. Last couple weeks TVOne they had some good stuff on Denise Williams, the Spinners and Alexander O’Neal and Cherelle!!

In regards to Hawks draft pick

Keith Benson all you can really ask for is for him to be a serviceable big. The problem I have is I am not sure how much playing time he is going to get. I will take 6pts 5 rebounds from him his first year if he can get the playing time. Reminds me of a poor man’s Mcgee or Loren Woods who if he didnt have an attitude problems would’ve had a decent NBA career. The one thing I am just not sure if Larry Drew can lead this team to the Finals.

N.D.T.K.A.

June 24th, 2011
10:05 pm

Oh, I almost forgot the draft review is on NBATV….

Mike

June 24th, 2011
10:26 pm

I wish I can look at it online, but makes you wonder who will be the new majority owner(s)?

Little Fawkers

June 24th, 2011
10:30 pm

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
11:12 pm

“DA also said Sund just basically put Smoove on the block to see what kind of interest he would garner and that the Hawks wanted a lot in return for Smoove, hence this is why Smoove is still a Hawk.”

Rick Sund at his best spin job with telling us that nothing made sense. Uh, did OKC’s offer of Durant not convince you? Can you imagine what Sund thinks the value of Marvin is? Even my 8 year old would cringe at that!

DMB, as Eddie Kendricks used to say, “Keep on Truckin, baby!” Hit up all your sources. We need to dumb down the ASG!

Rufus1

June 24th, 2011
11:15 pm

Hilton vs Benson…

I watched Hilton alot in college and he had no offensive game and the worst HANDS I can remeber. He was drafted that high because UConn were national Champs and he got alot of exposure.

Benson is a much better offensive player than Hilton ever was.

Buddy Grizzard

June 24th, 2011
11:24 pm

“I watched Hilton alot in college and he had no offensive game and the worst HANDS I can remember.”

That was going to be my observation… Hilton just got wooden hands. I’m not sold on Benson’s offensive game because he seems to have a low release on alot of his shots, but at least he HAS an offensive game.

KevinM

June 24th, 2011
11:31 pm

I’ve got one thing to say about Benson….it will be at least 3-4 years before he will be defending Dwight with any success that is…he may get a shot at him in the preseasons, but Larry is not about promoting the rooks.
And while we on the subject, can we for once get a big man coach in here? How is it that we don’t have a guy who teaches our guys every day in practice? Who’s taking the credit? Bender? What the heck is Mahorn doing on NBA-TV? Get him back in the trenches!

Rufus1

June 25th, 2011
12:05 am

David Aldrige just stated the Hawks will be sold for about 300mil and they will still be minority owners.

Worldwide Clyde

June 25th, 2011
12:13 am

The first thing the new owners need to do is FIRE SUND

The second thing they need to to do is FIRE LD

Hoops

June 25th, 2011
12:29 am

If there is a sale of the Hawks pending, you can bet that there will not be a trade until the sale is complete. Josh Smith is safe for now.

hawks_4_life

June 25th, 2011
12:34 am

What if we keep Josh and he brings Dwight over to the dark (hawks) side. We can always trade Al, not like the Magic have alot of options, he will be an unrestricted free agent.

hawksfancents95

June 25th, 2011
12:38 am

Hawks 11-12
PG-jeff teague/Kirk hinrich
SG-joe johnson/pape sy/kirk hinrich
SF-josh smith/marvin williams/damien wilkins
PF-al horford/josh smith/keith benson/magnum rolle
C-zaza pachulia/al horford/keith benson/jason collins

I think looking at my rotation for 11-12, our top priority should be another backup SG. idk how/if pape sy will be able to come in for joe and hopefully we add a shooter FA SG. another spot we could improve would be a backup PF. I would like to keep al at PF about 80% of the time this season and so I dont see rolle being able to shoulder that weight of a good backup PF and being efficient. benson should rotate PT from some minutes at 4 if Zaza or collins is in and be able to play at 5 if we play a fast team and we need more mobility at 5. My last thought would be a 3rd PG that could actually be effective if teague or hinrich get hurt. i like demetri mccaney to fill that spot.
i dont see a need for hilton armstrong or etan to come back. if we absolutely cant get a big man id take etan before hilton, just because etan is jacked and has more of an impact defensively/hustling than hilton does.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
1:16 am

On Benson:

KB – B-ball IQ higher than Hilton.
[I'm not attacking H.A./ I actually hope we keep him]

KB, can finish through contact.
The film I watched, he seemed to always be getting hit
at his point of release and finished his shot.

Measurements are great…..for comparisons.
*Najeh is correct – skill is what he must bring to the table
in order to be an NBA player.
[along with hard work, enthusiasm, professionalism, & toughness]
*He did, however, show enough skill at the collegiate level to;
avg a double – double his sr. yr / 3+ blks / two time conf POY & DPOY.

Look…He ain’t D.Howard, never was, never will be.
But at # 48 he was the best Center/Big on the board.

I’m glad the kid is our newest Atl. Hawk.

Welcome Kito.

Worldwide Clyde

June 25th, 2011
1:41 am

Advise to Kito before he comes to ATL

Stay Out the Strip Clubs

drmaryb (*_*)

June 25th, 2011
1:47 am

Old Skool!

“I know you like old school music like myself. Last couple weeks TVOne they had some good stuff on Denise Williams, the Spinners and Alexander O’Neal and Cherelle!!” -Brigadierjerry-
_____________________

I saw that on TV-ONE … I have all of Alexander O’Neal’s music collection. You remember:

Kashif, Minnie Ripperton, Angela Winbush, Klymaxx, Stacy Lattisaw, Olivia Newton John, Stevie Knicks, Harold Melvin &?
The Blue Notes, George Benson, The Floaters, The Whispers, Shalamar?

OMG! We have to meet up one day, pull back the rug, move the living room furniture, spin some records, dance and drink brown kool-aide!

You know what happens when you mix a half-pack of orange and a half-pack of grape kool-aide – right?

Mmmm-Hmmmm! (*_-)
______________________

Can someone post a link of Keith Benson … The DX – Draft Xpress did not work on my B-Berry. I have not seen him play yet. He sounds awesome!
Dark Horse maybe? Hidden Gem?

drmaryb (*_*)

June 25th, 2011
1:55 am

International Lover!

“Stay Out the Strip Clubs” – worldwide -
_______________

And, The Velvet Room. And, if she says her name is Nikki? Check for an Adam’s Apple when you come up! (rather, before you go downtown).

Mmmmm-Hmmmm. (*_-)

Simjr

June 25th, 2011
1:58 am

“You would have to be an idiot not to take Derrick Williams #1.”

@Buddy.. I cosign….

The streak will continue, 42,43,44,45,46 years and counting into the future….. Blah……..

hawks_4_life

June 25th, 2011
3:38 am

ON THE BRIGHT SIDE BEERFEST IN BELGIUM. TIME TO DRINK MY HAWK WOES AWAY.

Big Ray

June 25th, 2011
7:37 am

Drew said Benson can play both center and power forward. Drew said he wants the Hawks to take a “very aggressive approach” to defense next season, and Benson could help that process.

“Going into the draft and looking at the free-agent market, if we are going to be one of the top teams in the [Eastern Conference] we have got to get better defensively,” he said. “And what better way to get better than to bring in a shot blocker.”

Not if you don’t PLAY him, Larry.

Big Ray

June 25th, 2011
7:45 am

Al

Man the F up. You are an all NBA center. You are nowhere near the best power forward on you team. Take off the diaper and ask Dwight where he gets his roids. No piss testing during a lockout.

ROFLMBBAO….

When I recover, I’ll agree…

?

June 25th, 2011
9:02 am

A few things to look at about Benson:

2009-10 HIGHLIGHTS

Named Lou Henson National Mid-Major Player of the Year
2.Named Summit League Player of the Year
3. Associated Press All-America honorable mention
4.Led the league in blocks w/117, rebounds @368) and double-doubles @ 18
5.His Rebounds total was one shy of Summit League record
6.He broke single-season school records in blocks and rebounds
7.His 189 free throws made this season ranks third all-time in school history and ninth in league history
8. His blocked shots total ranks third all-time in league history
9. He earned five league player of the week accolades this year, second-most in league history
10. Had 20 or more points in 14 games and double-figure rebounds in 19
11.He led the team with double figures in 31 of 35 games
12.He blocked five or more shots in 11 games
13.He grabbed 47 rebounds and blocked 14 shots in three tournament games en route to being named All-Tournament
14.He then averaged 13.0 ppg, 15.7 rpg, 4.7 bpg at the league tournament
15.He tied his own single-game school record with eight blocks in the season opener versus Eastern Michigan on Nov.14, adding 15 points and 13 rebounds
16.He scored 20 points, six rebounds and four blocks at No. 1 Kansas (11/25), holding All-American “Cole Aldrich” to 2-for-10 from the floor
17.He posted a double-double with 21 points and 11 rebounds at No. 12 Michigan State on Dec.12
18.He had 11 double-doubles against league opponents
19.He scored a game-high 28 points and nine rebounds in the NCAA tournament game versus No. 18 Pittsburgh on March 19…………

He got better every year and he adjusted to the speed and the game coming out of HS and adjusted well. My good friend Kenny Herock who was the former GM of your beloved Atlanta Falcons believed in one theory that i shared when i was in L.A.,is that you draft on “consistency of progression”.

You evaluate your list of players on the improvements made each season in numbers, the level of competition,how teams played him each year,how they bounced back from a bad game and why they had a bad game.

Sometimes it may have been that they were called to do to something different because of another players injury or etc..

And you look at how they adjusted..

Thats why your draft team has tons of files on any one player.

You look for answers and you look for questions too..

Character,Sportsmanship,Comradery,Attitude,Coachability are all included (as you well know) in evaluating talent.

But the “Consistency or Progression” ranks higher than most of you think on grading a player.

Remember that.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 25th, 2011
9:25 am

ASG AS MINORITY OWNERS? WTF

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
9:35 am

McCamey coming in for a workout? Great, good player from Illinois. The only knock on him was work ethic and fire, or he may have been a high 2nd round pick.

That does concern me a little. Sund – Lack of fire
LD – Any Techs? Lack of many things including fire
Teague – Great, just lacks fire
JC2 – Has fire, so we trade him
Benson – Great but skinny, just lacks fire
McCamey – Good, just lacks fire
Our best player JJ – Max money, but lacks fire
Horford starting to lack fire big time
ZaZa has fire, so LD won’t play him, and yells at him
Josh is fire and ice
Once in 10 year talent Marvin lacks fire

Maybe Van Exel is going to release everybody’s inner dog, from Sund and LD on down.

PS – Now Hinrich has fire

That’s one reason I wanted a guy like Isaiah Thomas, drafted 60th – at least he showed fire in his belly.

Rondo – really not that talented, but has tons of fire.

Garnett yells at Big Baby, who is bigger in girth that Garnett – Big Baby cries

Garnett yells at Rondo, a foot shorter than him – Rondo yells back

Fire

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
9:36 am

One thing I will saw the NBA draft coverage was much better when it was on TNT or TBS. Also where was Hubie Brown this year to provide analysis?Jay Bilas always seems biased to me in his opinions. This was also the first year where the social media came into play. Any picks or trades was already posted on twitter 10-15 minutes before it was announced at the draft.

With the lockout pending, it will hurt for players like Benson not getting any burn due to summer league is closed. As long as he works hard and lets face it, I dont see anyone from the Hawks staff teaching him to get better it will have to come from himself as it does with most players. If you want to get better you will have to do it on your own. You can seek help from former players and they can show you things but at the end of the day it still comes down to you.

I saw a lot of Hilton Armstrong. I am a UCONN alum he has bad hands and Benson I can see is much better offensive player. He will have to get stronger and his upside will be a Marcus Camby lite 2.0

drmaryb,

Glad you saw it and co-sign on all those groups you mentioned!!The best part about it a lot of those groups who are still alive perform now and can still belt out their songs!!

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
10:11 am

I don’t think the Hawks were serious about trading JSmith. However, I do believe they put it out there that he was available, but was asking for an arm and a leg for him. They knew teams would likely be turned off by their asking price. However, if a team was willing to bite and give them what they were asking, it would have been an offer they couldn’t, and likely wouldn’t have refused.

I remember a player who was very simular to Benson as far as being light in the pants and wirey, except he was listed at 6′9″. People questioned he ability to be effective at the NBA level because he was a light weight, but he turned out to be a very effective rebounder and inside scorer. His name was Louis Orr, and I believe he played for Detroit and Milwaukee.

How effective and productive he becomes will depend on LDrew and how he’s utilized. Even with his lack of weight, he can stll be effective if selectively matched up against OFF challenged centers like JNoah(Bulls), JAnthony(Heat), DJordan(Kings), TChandler(Mavericks)etc. Drew just has to use him in the same way he used JCollins, when matched up against physical centers.

It was amusing to hear LDrew once again postering to the media about the teams need to focus on DEF in order to be successful. He said basically the same thing last season, then proceded to throw DEF out the window by relying heavily on Bibby and Jamal, his 2 DEF liabilities.

So far, we don’t have any DEF liabilities under contract, especially in our backcourt, so he’ll finally have to live up to his boast. I hope we don’t resign Jamal, because Drew doesn’t know how to utilize him properly. Drew is so OFF minded that he’ll over utilize him at every opportunity, which will affect Teague. You know he’d play both Hinrich and Jamal ahead of Teague simply because they’re veterans and jump shooters.

I’m pretty sure we’ll add another shooter to our roster to replace Jamal, but will we add another PG? If not, then either Teague or Hinrich will come off the bench, and I’m betting Drew will go with the veteran Hinrich to start. For me, the biggest question is will Drew continue to start Marvin, or move JJ to SF.

Not having Bibby will improve our overall DEF and increase our fastbreak opportunities. Not having Jamal will also improve our overall DEF, and help Drew’s MOTION OFF become more effective by eliminating one of our 2 ISO dominant players. If we successfully add a shooter/scorer to our bench and we’ll end up with the following starting lineup options:

OC-AHorford
PF-JSmith
SF-MWilliams
SG-JJohnson
PF-KHinrich
or
OC-AHorford
PF-JSmith
SF-JJohnson
SG-KHinrich
PG-JTeague

A bench comprised of MWilliams or JTeague(depending on the starting lineup), KBenson, ZPachulia, Pape Sy, Shooter/scorer, MRolle and JCollins wouldn’t be bad. We’d definitely have size, versatility and DEF covered.

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
10:19 am

BIG RAY-Horford doesn’t have to ask DHoward, or anyone else where to get ROIDS, since they are legal, along with over the counter penicillin, in the Dominican Republic, Horford’s country of Birth.

NUNNA!!

June 25th, 2011
10:28 am

Finally,a sports show featuring local talk about OUR TEAMS!!

WCLK just interviewed Sekou Smith,and it was all hawk talk..nothing national just hawk talk for about 15 mins..Not like 790 or 680 who cater to a national audience..

(404) 880-9255
They are taking calls now!!
Talk Hawks

Sleepy

June 25th, 2011
11:00 am

Ken S wit ha another complete load of BS .

Bibby and jamal are convenient excuses but in reality our perimeter defense was fine in fact our 3pt defense which every bemoaned in 2010 actually improved but our rebounding and inside defense suffered bigtime which is why you take someone Benson .

Its gonna be amazing this year monitoring this crap when nothing changes and you give us another rd of silly excuses

craig donahue

June 25th, 2011
11:16 am

You know why mainly white people hate Lebron James? For the same reason they hated other high profile athletes who are out spoken (Muhammad Ali) is because they’re Black and rich!

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
11:28 am

SLEEPY-if our perimeter DEF was fine, as your delusional without a clue mind believes, then why did both MWoodson and LDrew:
1-admit to using gimmicks and switching everything to cover for Bibby and Jamal.
2-feel more comfortable having HSmith, AHorford, ZPachulia, and all of our other Bigs switching off and guarding PG’s and SG’s rather than having Bibby and Jamal fight over picks and stay with their own man?
3-Have JJohnson guarding the teams quicker, faster PG’s rather than Bibby and Jamal?

You want to talk about a stupid know nothing load of complete BS, if someone wanted to make an authentic replica of you, they’d have to make it out of fertilizer, SLEEPY/CREEPY.

Ray

June 25th, 2011
11:31 am

Naw man I think white people probably don’t like Lebron cause he’s arrogant and got to much attention way to fast with Blake Griffin not being far behind honestly.

I’m in the same boat not even white btw. Lebron got to much cred too fast the NBA needed someone to replace Jordan and Lebron basically was the one. I mean think about it if Lebron had won even just one championship in Cleveland he would have been considered greatest all time even if he didn’t win anymore after that.

Bold Prediction for 2011-12 season T’wolves and Wizards will surprise and Jimmer Frederette will be ROY the MVP Kevin Durant and the next championship match-up OKC vs. Bulls.

Just having a bit of fun.

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
11:36 am

DONAHUE-Keep that racist crap to yourself, don’t bring it to these blogs. It makes you appear just as stupid, if not more so, than the Whites your trying to put down. In case your dump A$$ hasn’t noticed, we now have A BLACK PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES, Barak Obama, and he didn’t achieve that goal solely because he got the major of the BLACK VOTE. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, STUPID!!

hawks_4_life

June 25th, 2011
11:38 am

O'Brien

June 25th, 2011
11:49 am

Najeh,

Another thing to keep in mind. Andre Miller’s contract is not fully guaranteed next season, while Felton is guaranteed to make $7.5 mil.

I dont know the rules of trading one person multiple times in the same offseason, but if the Nuggets want, I think they can waive Andre Miller, therefore saving even more salary cap space. Or they could unload him to another team looking to reduce salary, and maybe pick up another useful rotational player.

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 25th, 2011
12:00 pm

@Ray

Ooooo I love this game. My turn:

RoY: Tristan Thompson (I have no idea who he is, I like his name…we can call him TT)

MVP: Derrick Rose

Finals: Lakers vs Heat (If teams we’re to stay exactly how they are as of now)

Finals Winner: Heat

Finals MVP: Dwyane Wade

drmaryb (*_*)

June 25th, 2011
12:53 pm

Activity!

I just saw the Kito Benson highlights on Y-Tube. He has some very nice low post moves. He looks conventional down there inside. I think it was vava74 who said, “Old-School!”

I agree. I saw a player who was very active and he does have a motor. I know it was a highlight reel – And?

And, I was impressed.

drmaryb (*_*)

June 25th, 2011
1:00 pm

Minorities?

SlimJr! What’s up baby boy? Yeah, I saw that DA comment too re: minority shares. Let’s just hope they give up some stakes and roll back their input in day to day operations, draft picks, FA signings and spending limits.

If the 7 ASKG (minus Belkin) can combine for 7%? Then they will have about as much voice and pull as Dorothy’s friends on the yellow brick road. I just hope they find their way HOME and leave the glass towered offices in downtown Atlanta! In short, get the hell out of Atlanta and check the mail boxes for those dividend checks.

Silent partners at best. They are like mold and mildew:

Hard to see and hard to get rid of.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
1:03 pm

craig donahue

The bloginator cut what I just finised sayin’ to you !

So, I’ll re-phrase, shove your racist agenda up your ass !

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
1:06 pm

finished with a “h”

as in ass[h]ole !

Hoops

June 25th, 2011
1:06 pm

It is being reported on Hoops World that Monte Ellis has requested a trade from the Warriors. If this is true, I would like to see the Hawks pursue this trade:

GS Warriors get – J. Smith and M. Williams
ATL Hawks get – M. Ellis, D. Wright, and E. Edoh

This trade works on the Trade Machine-

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5u63bwa

This trade would benefit both teams by fulfilling their current needs. The Warriors get an athletic PF that would fit in well with their style and the Hawks get a guard to replace Crawford. The SF swap is basically even. Udoh has been added to make the contracts balance out. I like the look of this potential Hawks lineup:

PG-Teague, Hinrich
SG-JJ, Ellis
SF-Wright, Wilkins, Pape Sy
PF-Horford, Udoh, Rolle
C-Zaza, Benson, J. Collins

This lineup gives the Hawks some tremendous versatility with many players that can contribute at multiple positions. I like the size (finally) and ability to score from every position!

If Rick Sund could make this happen, the Hawks would be SERIOUS CONTENDERS!

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
1:11 pm

Just got back from the Left Coast!! What did I miss?

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
1:28 pm

LeBron………….ass clown…..black
Jay Bilas……….a dick………..white
craig donahue…a bigot……….yellow

tyger

June 25th, 2011
1:29 pm

I’m pleased with Keith Benson, 6′11, 224, athletic shotblocker w offensive skills equal to or better than Horford and Smoove. He’ll be 235 by the time the season starts and 245 in a couple years, you cant help but put on pounds as you age, so its not as big an issue as being made. How big was Lew Alcindor coming out of UCLA? He’s no Kareem but with his baby hook, shotblocking and length – you couldn’t pick a better guy to develop.

Moreover, change is coming. The impending lockout, hardcap and salary reductions lend to Rick Sund’s philosophy of improving from within. He knows more about the impending changes than any of us, so he’s been aware of mgt/ownerships plans for awhile.

Bottom line – Hawks are a good not great team w/ good young pieces that made it to the 2nd rd. They are only a couple pieces away. Many teams would love to have our problems. If we went into the season, with this exact roster, minus Jamal Crawford, which is likely, we would make the playoffs.

Kirk Hinrich has an expiring contract, that will give cap relief next season as did Jamal’s this year. Horford was deserving of his contract, so he soaked up Jamal Crawford’s. Next season, the reduced salary cap will probably soak up Hinrich’s.

All fingers will point to Joe Johnson’s huge deal, but it’s not so much about the future as it is about the past. Joe is the reason we are where we are today and he was compensated for it. Moreover, he wound up in the catbirds seat and Hawks had little choice but to pay him or let him walk. Joe is not the player he used to be, playing 48 min. a night will do that – Hawks have to reduce his minutes and save him for crunch time and playoffs – his numbers will reflect that reduced role as it does now.

Hinrich is key. His expiring contract has value, he could be used to acquire an upgrade. Or he can continue to provide insurance in case Teague implodes as I suspect he will. Many deride LD for not playing him, but he played Jordan Crawford before Teague, why? Crawford was better, he deserved it. LD has watched Teague everyday for 2 years, he knows what he has. One favorable matchup against another small, speedy guard doesn’t change anything. Teams shut the lane down during crunch time and the free layups disappear, what then?

Hawks have to find a replacement for Jamal Crawford. Marvin has to improve. Keep Collins, Pachulia, Benson and Armstrong. Sye, Wilkins can fill the bottom of the roster, but we need another PG and NBA ready wing. ex. Rip Hamilton, Josh Howard, Caron Butler, Tashawn Prince

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
1:31 pm

Connect the dots? Stress is a major cause of sickness. Dont take these blogs personal.. It will make you sick if you do…

Lets be clear on something people, the #48th pick will not get you any closer to a 1st ECF visit..That #2 pick Derrick Williams would have! Cleveland made a huge mistake not taking him 1st!

LD will probably put Benson at the end of the bench with Armstrong(Brick Hands)…

Hey drmary! Why wont the ASKGee Men just go away?????
Good to be back in hot Atlanta!! San Francisco was a balmy 58 degrees at 6pm…Felt like Oct. with the windchill coming off the Pacific Ocean…LOL

Worldwide Clyde

June 25th, 2011
1:37 pm

Hoops replace Jsmoove with Horford in that trade and I’m all for it.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
1:38 pm

Hoops

We don’t want Udoh,
he can’t catch a pineapple with velcro mittens.

N-Trigue

June 25th, 2011
1:41 pm

Hope the Hawks sign Jeremy Hazell I heard he is working out for us in mini camp. That would be a steal to get this caliber of player. He should’ve been a late first round pick but his stock dropped when he missed one of the camps then didn’t get an invite to NBA Combine. This dude can ball he has great range on his jump shot and is average at attacking the basket he his a high energy guy that can really help especially if we dont sigh Jamal back. MC do you know if this is true that he will be in our Mini Camp?

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
1:46 pm

FYI, Sports Science broke Derrick Williams skill shooting the J from NBA 3 pt. land

1- Hit 9 of 10!
2- Catch and shoot (8 tenths of a second)!!! What??
3- Ball rotates 2.2 times per second!! Huh?? (2-3 rotations per second is ideal!)
4- Ball takes less than 3 seconds from his release pt(tip of fingers) till it drops through the net! Wow..

Should have traded Al or Josh for this beast!!

@6′8″ 241 he posterizes people?????

Ray

June 25th, 2011
1:50 pm

@ EmirS

I don’t think the Heat will get back to ECF honestly

Ra'mon

June 25th, 2011
1:52 pm

Drmaryb, Sheldon Williams highlight reels consists of jump shots and block 5′10 guards layups. lol

Ray

June 25th, 2011
2:01 pm

@ EmirS

That is your opinion though I meant to add.

As for LD talking about defense he said this at the beginning of last season like everyone else said until LD gets to the point that he’s not afraid to take out his best players like J-smoove, Horford, JJ, Jamal(Hope he’s gone), and Marvin then I’m holding this with a grain of salt.

Still though I’m expecting Powell, Etan, and Armstrong to be dumped off.

1. Etan never played didn’t look like he wanted to play that’s a waste of space.
2. Powell he played, but somehow vanished I remember when everyone praised Sund for getting him.
3. Armstrong it’s just process of elimination we have now 6 centers well 5, but Horford may start again next season at C.

We need to get a legit C in here, or at the very least play our Centers we do have like Zaza, Collins, Benson at the center position as starters.

I’m still hoping we can bring in David West if he opts out and decides on free agency and Jason Thompson by trade maybe the Kings would be more willing to take Marvin if we give them Jamal Crawford plus Marvin.

Actually looking at the Trade Machine it worked with just Marvin we actually get two players in return for him.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
2:06 pm

I’m about dad-blame tired of all the nonsensical
yickity yak & whoopity whoo ’bout Al.

Every time I mention trading Josh,
I qualify my statement with;
“I like Josh”.

But yawl have decided, based mainly on one series [Chicago]
where the best defensive team in the NBA decided to take Al
out of our offense, yes Al, not JJ Maxx,
(and they did a darn good job) that all of a sudden Al is a sissy.

Yawl have forgotten the body of work that the man has produced.

The blogger…Mr or Ms “?” stated earlier:
“Consistency or Progression”
was a good principle to use in scouting / I agree,
tis also a good measure of a player already in the League.
Al most assuredly has “consistently progressed”.

Al is highly respected throughout the league,
not just as a Center but as a Basketball Player.
[as is Josh]

I do not blame Sund for *NOT* trading Josh for Kanter & Beasley;
bad trade !
I read several respected jornalists who expected the Hawks
to get fleeced when trading Josh as his value is High.

Al’s is much, much, let me emphasize…Much !…higher.

We need a Center / We got a band-aid with Benson.

If we trade Josh [..I still prefer to trade JOE JOHNSON..] we…
Must get a really good championship quality Center in return.

There are some folks out there who still think
a Josh for Bynum trade may be in the works !
[..or a Josh & Hinrich for Pau Gasol possibly..]
* Think about it for a minute,
LAL was trying to trade PG for K.Love & the 2nd pick.
(knowing that would never happen)
They were trying to pry K.Love away from Minny.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
2:12 pm

“Consistency of Progression”

I think that should be “Consistency *[of] Progression”

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
2:15 pm

One thing for sure Al and Josh along with Marvin are not skilled enough to take the Hawks to the promise land…Keep watching and making excuses ….42,43,44,45,46,47 et al……..Yawn

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
2:16 pm

Some have taken a negative mentality and approach towards AHorford, just because of his less then stellar playoff showing against the Bulls. Therefore, if we take this negative minded mentality and approach to its logical comclusion, the Heat should definitely ignore everything else about Lebron James and get rid of him because of his less then stellar playoff showing against the Mavericks.

The Lakers should also get rid of everyone that didn’t have a stellar playoff series, since it probably prevented them from repeating as NBA champs. The Magic should also get rid of Dwight as soon as possible, since he obviously didn’t staller enough performance to prevent the Hawks from sending them to a 1st rd exit.

It’s amazing how those who make a big issue of players with perceived personal issues and/or attitudes, seem to display personal issues and attitudes of their own. This is why we get these continuously negative comments and opinions about certain players. Too many of you seem to be fans of certain players and/or HC’s rather than fans of the team.

I just can’t see myself getting hungup on any one player, one way or the other, when I know this team will win or lose based on team effort, not just the effort of one player. I like the Hawks as they are currently constructed, but it will take a total team effort for us to be a serious title contender. It will also take a total effort from HC LDrew to pull it all together. GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb (*_*)

June 25th, 2011
2:19 pm

Bigot!

Grand-Daddy! Sick ‘Em … Tear that jerk a new azz hole.
______________

300M!

SlimJr baby! Welcome HOME – Where you belong.
300M will almost purchase the entire franchise. Didn’t Golden State sell for like 458M? 300M should pretty much shut The ASKG down.

Warrick Dunn owns what 1-3% of The Falcons and we never heard a peep out of him. I think Nique owns .5 – 1% of the Hawks and won’t pay for a home made suit ( allegedly). So, if can cut The ASKG shares back to 7%? Maybe, just maybe we can hit the MUTE button on their azzes too.

One can only pray & hope.

Worldwide Clyde

June 25th, 2011
2:23 pm

“I think Nique owns .5 – 1% of the Hawks and won’t pay for a home made suit ( allegedly).”

FIRE SUND

Najeh Davenpoop

June 25th, 2011
2:24 pm

I hope the lockout ends soon.

ROY: Enes Kanter
MVP: Kevin Durant
Finals: Hawks vs. Thunder
Finals winner: Hawks
Finals MVP: Dwight Howard

Prison Mike

June 25th, 2011
2:42 pm

I don’t think we will ask KB to guard the likes of DH. He grades out to the player of Jason Thompson to me. Probably not as gifted offensively but his shot blocking skill is high. IF he can some how gain 25 pounds of muscle, look out.

All the big D1 schools they played against Benson had either respectable numbers or very good ones. The game they went against Sullinger he had 8 and 10 before fouling out. Keep in mind he was probably 215 pounds then. He seems wiry like camby, hopefully.

Ra'mon

June 25th, 2011
2:46 pm

For me its not about the series as it is about his all around game. I personally think him and Josh can play together for the next 7 years and be good. I only think the team need a back up center who is a master in defense and rebounding (Dalembert) so that guy can play 25 min a game. However, if moving Al would get Gasol, D12, or someone on that level (CP3) I’d move him in a second and not hesitate.

EmirS ("One of my main objectives this summer is to take a very aggressive defensive approach" -Larry Drew)

June 25th, 2011
3:03 pm

@Najeh

Very nice. :)

Grandmaster JeJe

June 25th, 2011
3:33 pm

IF ASG ARE MINORITY OWNERS, WOULD THAT MEAN LEVENSON WOULD FLY DOWN FROM MARYLAND TO SEE THE TEAM PLAY?

FIRE LD

Ra'mon

June 25th, 2011
3:35 pm

Also, everyone says Al is a better defender one on one than Josh. But Josh has a bigger impact on the game defensively than Al. So how is Al a better defender? In my mind at BEST for Al they’re a wash offensively (even though I think Josh is a better play maker and passer). Al has a better jump shot of course. But Josh is a better post player and seems draws more fouls than Al and Joe combined. They’re the same age. And truly in the last 3 years you can say Josh has improved more than Al has. I truly don’t see Al being more than Okafor, except for with a jump shot. So if one must go, he goes first.

Also everyone questions Josh’s IQ. But if Al can’t see he’s CLEARLY more productive at the center position than when he’s at the PF position.

Also anyone who thinks that Chicago designed a defense to stop Horford is on something serious. Chicago just played Horford up tight and gave him the drive with Carlos Boozer. If Horford can’t beat Boozer off of the dribble consistently, then what other PF can he beat from the elbow?

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
3:37 pm

slimjr,

Correct me if I am wrong but did you say you was frombronx, NY?If you are what part?The only reason why I ask is depending on how old you are kyrie Irvings father is from the bronx was a tremendous high school and college player.

Ken S you do make a good point in regards to I think a lot of fans and this is true of the NBA and NFL too are fans of certain players and not necessarily of the team so if one player they like gets traded they are now fans of that player on another team. Somewhat similar to what Miami Heat fans are but Hawks have to me a much stronger fan base than Miami

Big Ray

June 25th, 2011
3:41 pm

The Al vs. Josh stuff continues.

Grandad , says it all in his 2:06 pm post – BODY OF WORK.

Man it’s crazy when people ignore facts.

Big Ray

June 25th, 2011
3:42 pm

And I’m sure there will be a rebuttal to THAT one…

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
3:50 pm

FYI, Sports Science broke Derrick Williams skill shooting the J from NBA 3 pt. land

1- Hit 9 of 10!
2- Catch and shoot (8 tenths of a second)!!! What??
3- Ball rotates 2.2 times per second!! Huh?? (2-3 rotations per second is ideal!)
4- Ball takes less than 3 seconds from his release pt(tip of fingers) till it drops through the net! Wow..

Should have traded Al or Josh for this beast!!

@6′8″ 241 he posterizes people?????

slimjr,

I know you are a big fan of derrick williams but do you think he is going to be doing businessin Minnesota?You know who williams reminds me of?A better more athletic in shape version of Boris Diaw. I think he will have a solid career but let me ask you this. You think he will have a better career than Al Horford or Josh Smith and I mean in terms of numbers, impact on the game, things like that? If you do than let’s do a friendly wager. I mean he hasnt played a game yet and I get that you like him, but first of all if we examine his game is he a 3 or 4?If he is a 3 is he guarding the Melo’s Durant’s Pierce of the world effectively?Also if he is a 4 is he going to be able to guard the Blake Griffen’s Duncan, Garnett’s, Dirk?

I think the guy is taented but who do you think you compare his game too and what type of career you see him having?

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
4:01 pm

DW is a 23 and 8 @ the critical #3! You line him up with ISO? We going places..Josh and Al????

Yawn………………….

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
4:08 pm

For all of you trade everyone fanatics out there, what about convincing the Kings to do a sign and trade of DCousins and FA SDalembert for JSmith, ZPachulia and KBenson. The salaries would work, depending on how much Dalembert is willing to sign for.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
4:09 pm

Lineup of:

Teague
ISO
DW
Josh
ZaZa= 55 wins? maybe more?

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
4:10 pm

DW is a 23 and 8 @ the critical #3! You line him up with ISO? We going places..Josh and Al????

slimjr,

Even with those #’s you state you can get with him how are the Hawks going places and what do you mean by that?ECF?Finals?Championship?Explain going places and i will wager with you he dont get those #’s this year you stated?Wanna wager?

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
4:13 pm

going places no Hawk team has ever gone before: A 1st time visit to the ECF! Yeah! lol

Hoops

June 25th, 2011
4:16 pm

Grandad & Big Ray,

Josh vs. Al is going to be a discussion on this blog and with Hawks fans for as long as the Hawks own the rights to both players. Everybody has likes and dislikes in every player just as every coach looks for players with certain skills that are important to his plans and scheme.

The phrase, “body of work” is a large umbrella. In my opinion, both Josh and Al have many strengths that help the Hawks to be successful. The main problem here is that both players are best playing the PF position. If Al was a true center or Josh was a true SF, then there would not be all of this discussion about trading one of them. I like both players, but I don’t think the Hawks can improve or ever win an NBA Championship with both players on the roster trying to play the same position. That’s JMO.

So, if I am correct, a trade has to occur, that involves either Josh or Al, in order for the Hawks to continue their march toward a championship. The owners (whomever they are going to be) will pay their GM to make these decisions.
Will this be Rick Sund going forward or someone else? I just hope that the new owners, the GM, & the coach will all have the same philosophy and goals so the Hawks can continue toward an NBA Championship.

Whether you trade Al or Josh, that trade is the most important one in the history of the Hawks! It could bring you the right players to win a NBA CHAMPIONSHIP right here in ATL!!! We have not been this close in many years!! One trade away!!!

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
4:21 pm

One thing i would like for the Hawks to do whenever they decide to venture into that is is to have a D-leaguesingle affiliate to develop players that need to work on their games in the D-league. I have seen other NBA teams do it and i think would be a good idea for the Hawks

Hoops

June 25th, 2011
4:22 pm

Can this be the trade that puts the Hawks in position to win it all?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5u63bwa

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
4:24 pm

Derrick Williams shot 56.8% from the 3pt line @ Arizona!!!
Ray Allen: The NBA All time make 3 pt shooter shot 10 freaking percent less @46% in college! That is huge!

Keep watching…..

Ra'mon

June 25th, 2011
4:25 pm

Hoops, simple answer NO!

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
4:29 pm

@brigadierjerry

“kyrie Irvings father “. Naw I am not familiar with his dad.Left a while ago….I hear Kyrie is not as good as CP3 or Wall, but we will see?

We can bet an ice cold one? lol

Hoops

June 25th, 2011
4:30 pm

Ra’mon,

Do you have a better trade? Let’s hear it.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
4:37 pm

Benson is are very soon will be better than Udoh.
[all 'round]

Ra'mon

June 25th, 2011
4:41 pm

I would hold onto both until next year, and then trade Horford for D12 in a sign and trade. Either that or Al and Kirk for CP3. Monta Ellis isn’t a winner. He’s just Jamal Crawford basically. Actually Crawford was doing better in GS than Ellis was, until Don Nelson got emotional. If you trade Josh you have to get back a player who has as much of an effect on the defensive end. Josh is the only defensive interior stopper the Hawks have. And he’s the 2nd best play maker the Hawks has.

Ra'mon

June 25th, 2011
4:42 pm

Grandad, I really like the Benson pick.

KevinM

June 25th, 2011
4:47 pm

I like the Benson pick at 48…..the guys at NBA TV call it a head scratched…..I don’t know they are ex

Ra'mon

June 25th, 2011
4:51 pm

Benson is the first player in a while that the Hawks have drafted who can really get better, and can actually JUMP. Every one else has had cement in their shoes. McGee can’t defend. Jordan can’t really defend that much. They both just can jump higher than everyone else. And I think Benson will be able to as well, making him an immediate player who should at least get 10 min a game.

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
4:54 pm

slimjr,

Here is the link http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2011/06/18/2011-06-18_kyrie_irvings_dad_survived_wifes_death_and_911_but_is_just_days_from_seeing_son_.html

Good read. I see kyrie irving be a terrell brandon type of player which is pretty good.

we can bet on a cold one one day. What part of bx did you live?

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
4:56 pm

If the kid is at 224, and reports lets say Sept. 10th, that’s 10 weeks to gain muscle. He could easily be at 235 when camp opens. He’s at Billups and Garnett’s training facility (not owned by them, where they work out), so I trust that place.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
4:58 pm

Here’s another thing about Al;
stop with the [4] or [5] stuff.
That’s so overblown it makes me nauseous.

Al said “one” time he thought the [4] might be his best pos
or something like that…..and he and Josh needed some help;
which we all say !

My response:

(1.) Offensively, [4] or [5] he’s gonna play the same place on the floor.
no matter what. (mostly high post or short corner)
He has the same skill set offensively…..regardless !

(2.) Defensively, [4] or [5] he’s gonna take the best match up for the team,
no matter what.
We still need a 7 ftr who can defend the rim & Rebound…..Regardless !

_____________________________________________________________

I’ve said this before;
call them [Josh & Al] that is::
a [1] & a [2] or a [5] & a [6] or an [11] & a [12] / or a shortstop & a punter,
it matters not……………….
just let them play basketball. / It’s not a math contest.

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
5:00 pm

The only problem i see for Benson is getting some playing time. We saw with Drew not playing Teague only when Kirk got hurt. Is it going to take Smith or Horford to get hurt for Kirk to play?I hope not. I was thinking as well which might be easier for Benson to get more playing time backing up the 4’s or 5’s. What do you guys think?

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
5:02 pm

This kid is just a little lighter than Noah when coming into the League. Now he doesn’t have Noah’s motor, but he does have offensive skills Noah doesn’t also.

I could easily see Benson becoming a 10 ppg and 4 or 5 boards a game, and a block per game in 2 or 3 years as a solid backup, Kind of a cross between Taj Gibson and Thad Young.

People forget Taj came in the league at like 25, so give Benson 2 or 3 years to get there.

If LD will play him.

And whoever said get Micheal Cooper in to school Pape Sy, co-sign. Sy has 1 NBA skill, and that is putting his head down and driving to the hoop. I think he can develop into a solid defender (Cooper) as well, and maybe get some other aspects of his game cooking as well.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
5:06 pm

The Playoffs exposes your weaknesses big time:

ALLSTAR- AL unable to score points in the box with one hand and his midrange “SETSHOT” not “JUMPSHOT” failing him.

His foot speed/reaction time not allowing him to protect the rim or be in position to take a charge for the team…

Josh: underdeveloped “SETSHOT” mis-firing time and again!

ISO being double team and waiting too long to give up the rock because he does not trust his less skilled teammates and who can blame him…..

Mike Bibby unable to guard his own shadow…LOL

Jeff Teague rusting on the bench for games on end. Until a season ending injury forced Larry’s hand.

Our bench?? What bench? D-Leaguers?

Marvin?? Who??

JC1 walk, better yet run…..LD RUN! SUND RUN! Take those other stiffs with ya…

on and on…42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49. DARE I say 50 years!!! Wow………

Theres many reasons why this team went 13-26 against above .500 teams and only played .500 ball in the playoffs. PLAYOFFS?? Does anybody have the record against Western Conference teams?? Its probably dismal? You can HANDLE THE TRUTH!

I just gave a sampling.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
5:06 pm

Grandad – As bad as I’ve dissed Kwame Brown, and dreaded if the Hawks ever got him, he really is a good skill set fit for us right now. Athletic, 6-11 270, can play body up D like Collins (maybe not quite as well).

He’d be a good, but not great fit for the Hawks. Are there better fits? Sure. But for what the Hawks are willing to pay, which is vet min. at the max. probably, he may be available for that.

Ray

June 25th, 2011
5:11 pm

If anything I’d give it one more year for Horford and Smith before we talk about trading either one. I’m just going to say this though for certain if we trade to Orlando let it be Al Horford I wouldn’t want J-smoove and Howard teaming up they’d wreck havoc on everyone in sight especially if Smith plays PF that’s going to be scary.

As of right now if you can get J. Thompson or Dalemebert away from the Kings I’d be happy with that I’d rather want J. Thompson at 24 years old seems like he’s only going to get better.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
5:18 pm

Al’s strength’s – He can position himself to rebound and defend well. Has a great mid range jumper.

Weaknesses – Slow of foot, no handle’s (rarely he’ll flash some), doesn’t like to bang. Doesn’t crash the offensive boards enough (but that’s Larry’s system to my understanding), not a good shot blocker, doesn’t give hard fouls, insufficient low post game.

Intangibles – Doesn’t whine and complain. Doesn’t take time off on the court. Good leader. Good team player. Good passer. Smart

He’s a solid piece on a team. He’s no superstar, but he’s solid, and has great intangibles. He’s not a #1 option, but he’s got 10+ years of solid basketball left in him. Above average player.

I’m at the point of telling Josh – work like crazy on jumpers all off season. Work on your maturity big time. Get lean and mean, move to the 3, move Al to the 4 (even though he’s too slow for the 4 in my opinion, at least the pounding won’t be as bad for him), move Marvin to the bench full time, and get us a legit Center, and let that Center and ZaZa handle the 5 every night.

You could do worse than having Kwame (or somebody), Al, Josh, JJ, and Teague starting, with ZaZa, Marvin, Wilkens, and Hinrich off the bench.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
5:20 pm

The Kings wanted Teague for Thompson straight up in November, and Sund said no.

Smart move by Sund.

I wish we could have traded them Larry Drew for somebody. He’s the weak link in the chain to me, unless he’s really, really improved this off season.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
5:20 pm

Benson is strictly a [5].

The Hawks (even Woodson) have been more inclined
to play Bigs than guards.
So, I’m thinking he gets some regular minutes.

I would not mind a Zaza / Kito – rotation – @ the [5]
[12 fouls, 6 head butts, 2 or 3 blk shots, & call it a nite]
with Collins in reserve for “Double Wides”.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
5:26 pm

And as somebody that’s into health, I’m really concerned about Josh’s knees. His thick upper body, and his ability to sky, isn’t a good combination as he get’s older.

2 of the reasons I think of trading Josh sometimes are his knees, and his contract. I think he goes where Dwight is in 2 years, and he will be unrestricted this time, so I’d rather get something for him than let him go for nothing.

But my trade of JJ and Al for Dwight still stands. I’d do that everyday. If Orlando wants some combination of Marvin and Hinrich for Arenas and Hedo, I do that as well. Build around Dwight, Josh, ZaZa and Teague. Seems to be alot of wings to grab like Dunleavy, Hill, Battier, TMac, and those types.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
5:27 pm

Grandad – I think LD may play Kito at the 4 some. He’s got good speed and length. And a decent mid range also.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 25th, 2011
5:28 pm

“Whether you trade Al or Josh, that trade is the most important one in the history of the Hawks!”

Why does either one have to be traded? They may each be most comfortable at power forward but their games are not that similar to each other. It’s not like they don’t complement each other or can’t play alongside each other.

The problem is not Smoove or Al. The problem is a) a front office that isn’t smart enough to acquire good complementary pieces and b) a prevailing mindset among players and coaches that Joe has to be the focal point of the offense.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
5:33 pm

Slimjr

You want to talk about set shots;
I disagree that Al’s jumper is a set shot.

-BUT-

One thing I’m sure of;
your boy D.Williams, most assuredly has a set shot.
-or-
As Jay “dick” Bilas called it a “stand still jumper”.

I saw the sports science vid also.

I’m not completely certain, that I agree with *all;
that they said.
* -His release point-
did not seem to matter to them as much as revs per sec ?
As a shooting instructor, he has some flaws in his shot.

How mant 3’s did he attempt this yr. to achieve his %.

Kawhi Leonard ROY = better Defender & Rebounder !

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
5:35 pm

As a shooting instructor, he has some flaws in his shot.

*Should have said:

As a shooting instructor, *[I noticed] some flaws in his shot.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
5:37 pm

SteveW

No, no, no, no no Kwame Brown = girl hands.

I think Al is quicker than you give him credit for.

KevinM

June 25th, 2011
5:38 pm

KenS, been asking to get Cousins from the get go. Dalembert? Not so much based on history with him.
I think the Kings also are one of the few teams that could use an upgrade at PF.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
5:45 pm

Grandad – i hear you – Just wondering who else we could get at 5 that’s available for ASG’s price, and probably the new CBA’s price, which is the minimum.

I would like to see us get Troy Murphy or Josh McRoberts for the bench. But I don’t think that’s happening.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
5:47 pm

Najeh @ 5:28 pm = Co-Dad-Gum-Sign !

Maybe the *new owners will have a *new vision.
One that does not include JJ Maxx;
then that prevailing mindset of Joe being the focal point
will vanish / will have to vanish / must vanish – pick one.
[in other words - trade Joe - not Al or Josh]

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
5:51 pm

SteveW

Troy Murphy’s askin’ price will be purty low.
His stock is rock bottom right now.
He has always been a rebounder / I’m a fan.
-stretch- [4,5]

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
5:52 pm

And Grandad, I thought the same thing about Al, until I saw him play against 4’s on a consistent basis. He’s a step slow for the 4 spot it looks like to me. That’s just the eye test, looking at it.

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
5:53 pm

Grandad,

Good evening sir. I want to ask you if you feel the Hawks are better as an up and down team or a half court team?

Also on another topic I noticed that I have always felt Kareem is one of the most underrated players of all time. I think it has to do with his personality if anything else , What are your thoughts on him?

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
6:03 pm

And this will shock some of you, but I wouldn’t trade too much of value for Pau Gasol right now. He just didn’t look right in the playoffs. Way off his game. Way off. I don’t know if it’s the beginning of the end for him or not, but I don’t want to find out with him on the Hawks if I had to trade Al or Josh for him. I wouldn’t trade Josh or Al straight up for him right now.

I would JJ just because of the contract #’s involved, but of course the Lakers don’t need JJ, they have Mr. Fire in his belly Kobe playing the 2 spot.

Now the Lakers wouldn’t do this, but I would give them Hinrich (they need a PG), Marvin (they want to get younger), and a 1st pick for Pau.

But again, the Lakers aren’t that stupid.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
6:04 pm

I hear ya Grandad. But doesn’t 56.8% sound pretty good? Even @3foot shorter distance? And by the way he can shoot on the move and go shoot the “mid-range” Jumper also…

I never been a shooting instructor so you have my respect Sir.

Seems like Reggie Miller had flaws in his shot but it kept going in? lol

BTW: neither ALL NBA AL or Josh can dribble drive then pull up into a JUMPSHOT on the move. They stand and hoist em…Doesn’t work in the playoffs..we saw it fail….jmho.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
6:04 pm

I wouldn’t trade Josh or Al for Bynum or Odom either. Bynum’s knee’s concern me, and Odom’s getting old.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
6:07 pm

Slim D Williams looks pudgy to me. Maybe that’s why I’m struggling to see this emerging superstar in him. Wayman Tisdale perhaps?

He’ll probably shock me and be some stud of a player.

I see a very good player there, but a super star? I’m struggling with. We’ll see.

And slim, you may never have called him a super star, i can’t remember, I just know your high on him.

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
6:07 pm

Slim, not high in a marijuana sense, but high in an esteem sense!

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
6:08 pm

All NBA Al will get dismantled at the 4 on a nightly basis…Sorry…..Too slow of foot at that position in the NBA…and has no repeat no left hand at all…

SteveW

June 25th, 2011
6:12 pm

BJ – I’m not Grandad, and I have high esteem for Grandad also, but just to throw my opinion out there, the Hawks are a better transition team than half court hands down.

They stink at half court most of the time. Sometimes they get the rock moving, or are hitting insane J’s (think Crawford and Smoove), but especially with Teague at the helm, they are great at transition.

But actually Teague helps them in the half court as well. I think LD starts Hinrich this season, but I think Teague is an 11 ppg and 5 apg guy given a chance, with solid D this season, and better in the future.

I wait to hear Grandad’s take – didn’t mean to jump in line!.

Ra'mon

June 25th, 2011
6:15 pm

SteveW, I think the Lakers may would take JJ for Gasol. A line up of Al, Gasol, and Josh would be the best front line in the league. And it makes so much since because Al gets to be Al. And Josh gets to cut and drive. To put them with Teague and Heinrich would be even better because both could penetrate and dish (especially if Teague works on his shot).

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
6:20 pm

@Ray, I agree that AL and Josh get one more year.. Then jettison the core Scottie.

Aye Captain….

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
6:27 pm

SteveW,

Anyone can answer that question. I think one of the problems the Hawks have had other than coaching is the fact that in the playoffs the games slow down and you have to execute in the halfcourt and the hawks to me dont run good set plays and go iso and then jumpshot. Things always seem so forced. Dallas runs excellent set plays usually for a wide open jumpshot. Think about Dallas for a minute. They dont have any great inside players. They have a great scorer in Dirk, great assist guy in Kidd, decent penetrator in Barea, Marion provides a bit of everything not running any plans for him and Chandler and Stevenson provide defense and Stevenson with an occasional 3.

Now the Hawks didnt run it as much this year and I think that has to do with why they didnt win as many games but to me the proof is always in the playoffs how you execute. Hopefully that will change this year but I am not sure with LD

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
7:03 pm

KEVINM-We couldn’t do a straight Cousins for JSmith trade because of the disparity in salaries. Including Zaza would ease the pain of them losing a center in Cousins, and including Dalembert would make the trade work salary wise.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
7:05 pm

Slimjr

Larry Bird didn’t shoot textbook jumpers,
but to try & change him would get a man fired.

I had a kid once that was so stubborn;
would not take his left thumb off the ball.
finally, I left him alone, he was my leading scorer
for two years.

Sometimes, you just leave ‘em alone.

Too many people messed with Andrew Jones swing.
Finally fixed him to where he couldn’t hit at’all.

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
7:17 pm

What would any of you say about a person’s basketball IQ, or overall IQ for that matter, when they:
1-Think any college or international player will automatically be as successful as he believes he’ll be as long as said player meets with his approval,
2-Believes any college or international player that meets with his approval will immediately and automatically out perform a proven NBA player that’s been to 2 time All Star gms and been selected 3rd team All NBA in his 1st 3yrs.
3-suggest we trade the NBA’s 3rd best center, as voted by players and coaches, for someone who’s closest association with the NBA is attending NBA sanctioned workouts and getting drafted.

sam'l

June 25th, 2011
7:21 pm

Stevie NICKS, not Stevie Knicks, although this is a basketball blog…..

Really, the most interesting item is the SALE OF THE HAWKS….I have long felt that this team had the talent to go all the way IF they also had the brains. New owners with BRAINS could make a lot of difference. Who is buying the Hawks? Why? Staying here? Teams have proven before they can break leases and virtually go wherever they want.

Hating LeBron. I don’t hate LeBron but he is as arrogant as he is talented. I blame the NBA for giving him extra foul shots. The person who might really hate LeBron is Pat Riley for sitting back and watching Dallas take the championship. The perfect punishment for LeBron would be to trade him back to Cleveland.

I think Mary B once promised a guard named Sessions would join the Hawks last year……that never happened…..

So I’ll wait and see about the SALE…..

Why do I care about this team at all? That guy who wants all teams to move out of Atlanta….it’s easy to tell him to move, but he is right……there does seem to be a curse on the teams here. Give him credit for catching that.
.

Ray

June 25th, 2011
7:22 pm

No go on the D. Cousins he’s basically Josh Smith earlier on except he actually plays Center lol.

We don’t need more growing pains then we got J-smoove and Horford both improve every year let’s see where they take us this year, but I do agree I’d build around Horford, Teague, and Smoove if I were the GM(glad I’m not we wouldn’t see the playoffs lol)

If we didn’t pay Joe so much I wouldn’t be so mad with him right now cause he’s baiscally Robin we went through this before we need Batman on this team, but it’s looking like Teague, Smoove, Horford will have to become it.

Honestly I know people will shoot me down left and right for this one, but I think Josh has what it takes to be that Batman he humbles down a bit and becomes more mature, and get someone to get in his mind and become a team leader we’d be a great team.

sam'l

June 25th, 2011
7:25 pm

one quick thought about the “curse”…..

the ability of owners to think for themselves and come up with creative solutions and see potential problems before they crop up would go a long way toward ending any so-called “curse”

Go Hawks.

Grandad

June 25th, 2011
7:30 pm

brigadierjerry

* {1st Question}:

The Hawks;
always seemed to be runners…..but……

To answer your question = No.
They – as presently constructed are not.

# 1 problem = Joe Johnson, he ain’t gonna run for nobody.
That’s why Joe loved Bibby so much,,,
Bibbs would walk it down for Joe.
# 2 prob = Cap’n Kirk & Teaguer are different pgs.
Teaguer will run / while KH functions best in the half ct.
*Note – Josh & Al want to get it and go !
# 3 prob = Rebounding:
this is the Biggest obstacle;
“you must acquire the ball before you can run”
- John Wooden – said the above, I wish I had said it 1st.
This is our Biggest need / I’ve been begging for rebounding
for over a year.
I always taught that thare are 5 parts of defense:
“the 5th and final component is rebounding”
So, if you play your butt off for 23 seconds but give up an off reb,
it just kills you !
That’s why I was so outspoken for Faried & Kawhi Leonard.

Sorry, I got to preachin’ there for a min.

___________________________________________________

* {2nd Question}

Kareem Abdul Jabbar:

One of the Five best to ever play the game.
* Wilt
* Russell
* Kareem
* Jordan
* Shaq
In that order / 4 of the 5 are Centers.
People forget how good Shaq was when he was young.
I have Kareem 3rd all-time / I hope this answers your question.

I preached so long on # 1 that I ran out of gas on # 2.

I can follow up if you like.

Ray

June 25th, 2011
7:31 pm

Ken S.

I keep saying this about Horford he’s great at Center for a reason he’s much quicker then probably all the Center’s in the league just doesn’t have the weight to be at advantage to a Dwight Howard of Bynum.

If Horford moves to PF expect there to be some really bad games and the blame to shift from Smith to Horford and also I doubt he gets an All-star unless he improves a lot at the 4.

I mean he’s got to go against Amare, Garnett, Dirk, Gasol, Aldridge, Duncan, Dejuan Blair, Bosh, Boozer, Zbo, Blake Griffin, and the list goes on.

He’s lucky he plays in the east as he really worries about Amare, Garrnett, Bosh, and Boozer plus a few others, but still Amare already chumped him out in NY I even saw that and was disappointed.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 25th, 2011
7:32 pm

Qyntel Woods is attending our FA Mini-Camp.

Is there any chance we’re inviting Shawn Kemp, Vin Baker, J.R. Rider, and Damon Stoudamire too?

SMDH

Buddy Grizzard

June 25th, 2011
7:38 pm

“How effective and productive he becomes will depend on LDrew” – Ken S.

I don’t think anything long term depends on LD because I don’t see him being the Hawks coach beyond next season. I’d say Benson’s future depends more on the Hawks training staff.

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
7:39 pm

Ken Strickland,

I see where you are going with that. I have asked some constructive questions in regards with that questions you brought up. I think dk will be a solid player but as you have seen in my posts I am not sure he is going to have a better career than smith or horford. Derrick Williams reminds me of a more athletic Boris Diaw. I already have a friendly wager for a cold one that he wont average those #’s suggested his first year

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
7:50 pm

Grandad,

Thanks for the response. Interesting you have out of Jordan the rest centers and Shaq in there as well. I cant argue with that. I wish Shaq cared about his body like Lew Alcinder i mean Kareem did, he might’ve been the best possibly. Another question. Would you rate D Wade as the third best shooting guard of all time behind jordan and kobe?Also where would you rank jason kidds in point guards of all time?

Also would you agree the NBA is changing to more of scoring point guards then ever before as oppossed to pass first point guards?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 25th, 2011
7:56 pm

Qyntel Woods did the exact same thing as Mike Vick and got 80 hours of community service instead of 2 years in jail.

SMH

Najeh Davenpoop

June 25th, 2011
8:04 pm

Some guy named Damian Saunders is also coming to Hawks mini camp. I have no idea who that is.

brigadierjerry

June 25th, 2011
8:05 pm

wow qyntel woods talk about a blast from the past. i remember when he played on the knicks. why not bring back eldrige recasner and tyrone corbin and doug edwards and priest lauderdale and the great shareef abdul raheim

JoJo the Godfather

June 25th, 2011
8:36 pm

Saunders played at Duquesne. SF. All defense, no offense.

Ray

June 25th, 2011
8:41 pm

Where is Mario West these days I actually liked him with the hawks had no offense, but man if you need defense he was there.

Ken Strickland

June 25th, 2011
9:17 pm

GRANDAD-you have to include Hakeem the Dream Shake on that list.

I might play around with trade ideas from time to time, but I’m a proponent of keeping our core together for the upcoming season. This idea of everything having to go through JJ is crazy. We need to start sharing the wealth, because it’s been far too easy for teams to disrupt us offensively by double teaming him. And what’s sad is we haven’t come with an way to make them pay.

The Bulls successfully used that strategy against us in the playoffs and we didn’t come up with a way to make them pay. Part of the problem was both JJ and Jamal’s reluctance, or unwillingness, to effectively pass out of those double teams in a timely manner. Far too often both players tried to beat those double teams with tricky ball handling.

In the end, they ended up forcing shots to beat the clock, or passing to someone else who ended up taking a bad shot to beat the clock. We need to have the ball primarily in the hands of someone who doesn’t need clearouts and time consuming ball pounding to get a good shot or get someone else a good shot. That someone should be Teague or Hinrich, not JJ.

MWilliams has proven he’s talented to be effective defensively, and average 15PPG and 6RPG. With Bibby and Jamal gone, hopefully LDrew will focus more on getting him more involved in the OFF, whether he starts or comes off the bench. Actually, if we can get last yrs production from him off the bench, while playing fewer mins, it would be great.

I really like this team and I believe we’ll be noticably improved, and here’s why:
1-Our perimeter DEF will be much improved without Bibby and Jamal,
2-Our interior DEF will be improved because of #1.
3-While I don’t know how much our OFF will improve, I do know it will be different. We’ll run more and won’t be as jumpshot or half court dependent.
4-Teague, Hinrich, Benson, and whoever we sign to replace Jamal, will make us quicker, faster, deeper and more athletic.
4-

Grandmaster JeJe

June 25th, 2011
10:20 pm

D. Williams was taken #2 overall in the NBA Draft.

I’m not talking about Deron Williams #2 to the Hawks in 2005.

I’m talking about Derrick Williams #2 to Minnesota in 2011

FIRE BILLY KNIGHT

O'Brien

June 25th, 2011
10:23 pm

Kevin M, Ken S,

I would stay away from D. Cousins. He has some maturity issues, and I don’t think the Hawks have the leadership (player or coach) who can handle a potential volatile situation with such a talented young player.

I was suggesting the Hawks do a trade of Jamal for Dalembert during the season, because I think he could give us a solid 20 mpg off the bench.

As for Marvin Williams, he has regressed (imo) from the Marvin who put up 14 and 6 early on. He is not a 3-pt shooter, he cant create his shot off the dribble, he is not a good ball handler, he fumbles and stumbles, and he can’t overpower smaller players.

I dont think its coaching. Its up to Marvin to improve.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
10:23 pm

43 years of excuses..Give it up.. its getting old….In the Grand scheme of life your IQ wont save you..

@Ray

Dont waste your time explaining. Jock sniffers stay distracted…

O'Brien

June 25th, 2011
10:25 pm

Ray,

Where is Mario West these days I actually liked him with the hawks had no offense, but man if you need defense he was there .

IMO, Mario was an “ok” defensive player in terms of technique. What he did do was give 110 % every second he was out there, and his hustle and his energy was good.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
10:26 pm

“As for Marvin Williams, he has regressed (imo) from the Marvin who put up 14 and 6 early on. He is not a 3-pt shooter, he cant create his shot off the dribble, he is not a good ball handler, he fumbles and stumbles, and he can’t overpower smaller players.”

Interesting observation @O’Brien

Slimjr

June 25th, 2011
10:46 pm

“D. Williams was taken #2 overall in the NBA Draft.

I’m not talking about Deron Williams #2 to the Hawks in 2005.

I’m talking about Derrick Williams #2 to Minnesota in 2011

FIRE BILLY KNIGHT”
I hear ya @ Grand Master!!!

This Guy would fill the seats @ Phillips!! And give ISO the desperately needed offensive fire power help in crunch time…Oh well..

“Sund said the Hawks explored trading into the first round but didn’t want to get into specifics about those discussions, including the reports about Smith and the Timberwolves.”

Sund you are full of S______________T…..

Some individuals remind me of the Titanic. With their arrogance and smarts they really thought that ship was unsinkable..What happened in 2hrs and 20 mins on the night of April 15th 1912???

Down goes Frazier………..Arrogance and pride will get you no where…..Stay tuned…

Rufus1

June 26th, 2011
12:05 am

Benson vs Larry Sanders…..

Bensons stats and measurements are better…..NEVER forget his “Grey Matter”….Detroit Country Day.

Rufus1

June 26th, 2011
12:05 am

Grandad

June 26th, 2011
12:13 am

brigadierjerry

I don’t have D.Wade or Kobe ranked that high.
1st let me say that my 2nd five,
w/o alot of pondering would go something like this:
~{6-10}~
* Oscar
* Bird
* Elgin *[Baylor for the young 'uns]
* Hondo *[Havlicek for the young folk]
* Magic
Now I have to do my 3rd five,
(so Ken S doesn’t get too mad @ me)
~{11-15}~
* Hakeem “The Dream”
* Jerry West
* Kobe
* Pistol Pete
* Elvin Hayes
*** the 3rd five were not necessarily in order.

_________________________________________________

More answers on next post !

Rod from College Park

June 26th, 2011
12:25 am

LOL, at guys still believing in Marvin Williams. When will they ever learn.

Slimjr

June 26th, 2011
12:50 am

ISO and JC1 were clever enough to know that the bigs on this team could not get it done due to lack of skills…Duh. And tried to do to much to compensate for the 3 stooges..Shove the IQ in a place of your choice. These two were a major reason why along with Collins that they beat Orlando and stole game 1 in Chicago….

BILLY KNIGHT

June 26th, 2011
12:51 am

I dont understand why you guys keep talking about fire me for, every GM in there right mind said that marvin was the second best player in the draft.

BILLY KNIGHT

June 26th, 2011
12:52 am

So i get no credit for putting this thing together ?

Grandad

June 26th, 2011
12:54 am

brigadierjerry

From my previous post – you can see,
that I have Kobe ranked higher than D.Wade.
[and by a long shot / Kobe is a cold blooded killer]
*Wade shoots alot of FT’s. (courtesy Mr Stern)
Plus DW does not have as high of a pain threshold,
or he just acts like a sissy sometimes.

It’s interesting how to judge guards in the old days.
The term point guard only came into vogue
in the late 60’s & early 70’s.
I’m trying to kill two birds here;
your query about modern pgs becoming scoring pgs.

In those days they had two guards, two forwards and a center.
No pg, no power forward and so on.
Which brings me to Oscar:

Oscar Robertson was omitted from my top five.
only because I only had five spots.
He belonged in that group.
The top 5 really should have been top 6.
and then a cut-off. (it really should)

I bring up Oscar because he was better than
Kobe or D.Wade.
He averaged a triple double for a whole season !
Almost did it twice, I think ?

Now was Oscar a point guard ?
A shooting guard ?
So when I discuss Kidd in a moment & Nash,
how can you compare them to Oscar ?
or, how does any pg compare to Magic ?
The same with Pistol – pg or shooting guard ?
High volume shooter, yet one of,
if not the greatest passer ever.
Same question for *”the Logo” [1] or [2]
He was a just a guard. *[West]
Hondo, played guard & forward / today he would be a wing.
^^ after Jordan ^^ shooting guard ^^ pick from this group ^^

________________________________________________

Simple answer today – Tyreke Evans;
not a pg.
Derek Rose = pg.

Nash best pure point guard ever / my opinion only.
Oscar #1 (with) Magic #2 as the most productive
and the most physically dominant to play the pos.

Jason Kidd ranks in my top five pure pgs / all-time.
[defense gets him in]

Billups is very close also.
[I love Billups]

I would probably have Rodman in my next group:
~{15-20}~ based on Def & Reb + Rings !

Grandad

June 26th, 2011
1:00 am

Obviously Rodman is not a point guard,
although he could guard them.

Tomorrow:
I’ll give my top five by pos.

Kevin

June 26th, 2011
1:03 am

So he thinks he be here Nope Sund and friends will trade him away so much for his parents sayin Its atlanta are team…Ha ha he best go to La Lakers he win a Championship next season then here ..we be in Seattle soon becoimin the supersonics.////Oh wait Thou Mayor here in atlanta will cry race card and keep the team here…Just like him n former mayor campbell said this hockey team is stayin we make sure it do….and u see what happen to thrashers now the winnipeg jets…three cheers for ASG u still suck eggs!

Mike

June 26th, 2011
1:45 am

@Kevin

oh. Kevin the days of the ASG is almost over if you have been reading some of the post here, a majority owner is coming and ASG just be minority owners. So we wont got to Seattle(no stadium, i live up there i know), St Louis or any other place.

Grandad

June 26th, 2011
1:48 am

Kevin

You are aware that the Hawks cannot be moved
for 24 years / thats 2 dozen years.

As for the rest of your rambling;
I had no clue as to what you were saying ?

Atl. = Big mkt.

Next team to move;
New Orleans to…Kansas City…Vegas…or…Vancouver

Mike

June 26th, 2011
1:58 am

But i wonder who will be the new majority owner, i am very curious to see who is it if ASKG is keeping silent about it. How about a guessing game about that?

drmaryb (*_*)

June 26th, 2011
3:29 am

Love Fest!

I LOVE me some damned SLIMJR!

He is a baaaad man! (-no smirks-)

drmaryb (*_*)

June 26th, 2011
3:33 am

O’Brien Trophy!

Don’t mess with Mr. O’Brien! He is stealth!
He is on the level of Najeh D-Poop! When it comes to superior communication skills, and brevity.

This O’Brien guy will nail you in your azz & don’t give a damn if you say …… Ouch!

Big Ray

June 26th, 2011
6:56 am

Slimjr ,

The Bulls have a defensive genius for a head coach. They had a specific plan on defense to beat us. They executed it for the most part.

Here was the plan:

1) Make Joe and Jamal uncomfortable, double team them quickly when they cross the halfcourt line.

2) Don’t give Al Horford any good looks on the pick and pop or from 18 feet. Swarm him quickly in the post because he doesn’t have reliable inside moves.

3) Leave Josh Smith open when he fades to the perimeter.

It wasn’t too hard. You’re right – we stole game one because Joe and Jamal got loose, and the Bulls couldn’t contain them. Teague also hurt them pretty bad.

We won the second game because Josh and Al got going. Al got his shots on the pick and pop and scored 20, Josh did most of his damage down low, and we won.

After that, Josh went right back to trying to do much of his work on the perimeter (his weakest area), and Al didn’t get another good look on his jumpers for the rest of the series.

Notice that there was no specific game plan to stop Smith. Nor was there a game plan to stop Teague. You guard the guys who have proven they can hurt you the most. That would be Joe, Jamal, and Al.

Oddly enough (or perhaps not so oddly), Josh had the most potential to hurt the Bulls because of how hard he is to stop in the post, and how well he can finish in transition. If the Bulls had to suddenly game plan for that, it would have left someone else open. But he only did what he should have in two of those games.

So many people seem to confuse effort with efficiency . He was awful in game one. He was awful in game 2. Games 3 and 4 were easily his best. Games 5 and 6 were “okay” offensively, but he was largely ineffective on the glass. I’m not blaming him for the series loss, that was a combo of a lot of things, but he was the only guy I saw who could really break the series open for us. His low post game was clearly more effective than Horford’s (when he decided to implement it, that is) and the Bulls were intent on not letting Horford get anything. Something tells me they remembered his 31 point outburst against them late in the season, in that comeback win.

Big Ray

June 26th, 2011
7:01 am

What’s all the chatter about a majority owner coming to Atlanta? Hope it’s true, but not finding any credible info/links. Time to go diving again to see if I can find any….

Apprehensive about the situation, remember the last “majority” owner, and how that worked out? Some guy named Belkin, who got the divorce notice while still on the honeymoon….

Ray

June 26th, 2011
9:47 am

If this were last season I’d agree @ Big Ray with Joe, Jamal, and Al hurting people the most.

As it stands this season it’s more like Al hurt them the most one because Joe was injured and early on he wasn’t the same he never really did get back to the Joe of 2009-10 season.

As for Jamal he was never right this season period from being Sixth man to being the guy asking about a contract this guy up and disappeared.

doc

June 26th, 2011
10:03 am

good stuff all. great summary for those away from the action.

gd good stuff on the greats of the game. hard to keep the big o out of the mix. he was a beast in his time, a ball handler and all tool guy going at 6ft 5 and about 225. he was the freak of nature then that labron is now except he had a better handle on his head.

shame it is boiling down to josh against al. no one wins tuat one. the value we need for either guy is not out there unless addition by subtraction occurs and marvin is part of the trade. until that happens we wait. next year as josh’ contract ends or last year were/are the times to trade josh not thissummer with the collective bargaining looming over all heads.

like the idea of some young longs as that should have been part of the plan ala bulls denver utah
and okc. we got stuck on half bigs. only prob is this will take two years for the fruit at the earliest.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

June 26th, 2011
10:51 am

“Thabeet, a former No. 2 overall pick, is widely regarded as someone who simply not good enough to play in the NBA and probably won’t be. There is still some hope for Jordan Hill, but he’s got a Post-It note on his back that says “stiff.” Contra Costa Times

LMFAO I rest my case.

terrell

June 26th, 2011
11:02 am

Hawks 2011 draft
Jeff Teague
Pape Sy
Keith Benson
Thats the way I’m looking at it. Since Jeff or Pape didnt really get a chance last year, or the year before where Teague is concerned. He got min in the Playoffs by default ONLY. And Pape could’ve probably contributed just as much or more than Marvin.

JoJo the Godfather

June 26th, 2011
11:40 am

Everyone just dismisses Magnum Rolle. This kid will contribute this year as a backup PF. He’s extremely athletic for his size. He can run the floor, has good hands, and will block some shots. Don’t sleep on Magnum Rolle!!! This kid can play.

Slimjr

June 26th, 2011
11:53 am

@Doc,
one of em has got to go..They give us nothing in crunch time.. 5 years later, we are still hearing excuses that they are only 25??

It does not take 5 years to determine if a player has it or not….How bout 5 weeks or 5 months? 5 mins in some rare cases…

Mean while opportunities and teams are passing us by to pursue a Championship..

@Ray,
All NBA AL scored 31 that night because Boozer was hurt and did not play..You saw what happened when they went head to head in the playoffs. Allstar did not want any part of it. And we all knew he would not drop another 30 cause if he did the Hawks would have won that series in 5 games…

Ken Strickland

June 26th, 2011
11:57 am

OBRIEN-As always, one of several level headed voices of reason. Any concern I would have about controlling Cousin and his lack of maturity wouldn’t be with our lack of veteran leadership. It would actually be with the lack of bench leadership. Cousins is younger and a lot less experienced than JSmith, and Drew has been anything but successful in reeling him in.

Actually, for the short term, or the next 3-4yrs, Dalembert would be the better choice. Also, for the same reason that was given in an article I read about Dalembert possibly responding to playing on a talented winning team, the same could, and I said could, have a simular effect on Cousins.

When the entire franchise is putting the burden of the team on your shoulders, it can weigh heavily on a player as young, immature and talented as Cousins. The reaction to that kind of pressure can cause a player like Cousins to become frustrated and act out when things aren’t going his way.

It can be very difficult for any young, immature player to be given the task of trying to carry a team when at the same time he’s in the process of trying to learn how to carry himself. With the Hawks, he would be expected to be the face of the franchise or it’s savior. While he’d most likely be our #1 postup option, he’d only be our #3 or 4 scoring option, behind JJ, Horford and maybe Teague.

But your concern about his lack of maturity is legimate. If we could get both players to consent, what do you think about a sign and trade involving Dalembert and JCrawford? If Dalembert is willing to take a salary cut, along with Jamal, it could work. I’d even be willing to do a sign and trade of Zaza and Marvin for Dalembert.

With our much improved perimeter DEF, and Dalembert’s rebounding, shot blocking, and overall DEF ability coming off the bench, we’d be a solid contender with the ability to match up with anyone.

Ray

June 26th, 2011
12:18 pm

Why get rid of Zaza to me if we don’t get a legit starting center in here start him. I think Zaza is much better if he starts he’s actually sometimes to me more of the garbage man. He knows how to foul too. Just not as aggressive as a Josh or Al, but still knows how to get it done.

Actually Dalemebert Contract is up he could just walk out on the Kings and sign with us without trading, but I say give away Marvin and Jamal for J.Thompson. Get Shawn Marion in here to play back-up SF lol.

Ken Strickland

June 26th, 2011
12:18 pm

TERRELL-Very good point. In fact, I’d take it a step further and say Pape Sy and Teague would have ended up contributing more than Bibby, considering their superior speed, quickness and athleticism, as well as their willingness and ability to penetrate and play DEF. Hopefully, we’ll get a chance this season to see if that’s true.

It’s no secret that JSmith is a sensitive person and takes things to heart. When he was a FA, he was in the drivers seat and signed a FA contract, which we matched. But now, management is in the drivers seat and can trade him at anytime. It’s obvious he doesn’t want to be traded, certainly not at this point.

So maybe, just maybe, the rumors and various off season episodes will motivate him to prove his total value to the team. And that would require him to finally wake him up and do all of the things he’s capable of doing without all of the emotional and psychological distractions, especially on the court.

Using computer terminology, this team can be a serious title contender basically as constructed, but it needs to be DEFRAGED. The various pieces are scattered and separated and be consolidated into a more cohesive unit, and it’s LDrew’s responsibility to make it happen.

Ray

June 26th, 2011
12:35 pm

I guess this question gets asked more then enough times, but honestly why does Josh have to prove himself.

Maybe my eyes were different during the Chicago-Hawks series, but it seemed like Josh effected that series more than anyone else what does he really have to prove?

If Josh gets a better J well it got better maybe I should say a more set and consistent J this offseason he shouldn’t have any heat.

The pressure should seriously be on for Joe Max if he does a complete mirror of this past season dude needs to go don’t care how just leave he already doesn’t care about the fans(which should tell you not to pay the guy).

doc

June 26th, 2011
12:39 pm

slim just getting rid of one without replacing with a need sends us to lottery land. they are the straws that stir. i was first up saying send josh as 2010 ended not this year unlessas gd says there is value in return or as i say you send marvin to get something in return like a two for three that fits into the cap and needs.

Ken Strickland

June 26th, 2011
12:52 pm

RAY-We’re only $3+M under the current Luxury Tax cap, with a new CBA on the immediate horizon which will most likely lower that cap. Therefore, we couldn’t sign Dalembert as an out right FA under our current CBA without playing a luxury tax, let alone the new one. The only way we could possibly sign him is through a sign and trade, which would require him to agree to the trade and a pay cut. And the Kings would have to accept whoever we’re offering.

There’s one good thing about a sign and trade. If the Kings agree to do it, they’d just be looking for value, not equal value, since they’ll lose Dalembert with zero compensation without the trade. Therefore, it’s not inconceivable they’d accept Marvin. And Dalembert might accept the trade, and a reduction in salary, to have a chance to play for a talented winning team. JUST A THOUGHT.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 26th, 2011
1:45 pm

It is a sunny afternoon in the ATL

FIRE LD

O'Brien

June 26th, 2011
1:45 pm

Ray,

Maybe my eyes were different during the Chicago-Hawks series, but it seemed like Josh effected that series more than anyone else what does he really have to prove?

If Josh gets a better J well it got better maybe I should say a more set and consistent J this offseason he shouldn’t have any heat..

IMO, what josh needs to prove is that he can play within himself. For example, he was 0-9 in 3-pt attempts against the Bulls. Why continue to take that shot when he was 3-15 in 3’s against Orlando.

Against the Bulls, he did average 16 pts, 9 rebs, 3 assists and 3 blocks. However, as Big Ray pointed out, Chicago’s game plan was not designed to stop Josh. It was designed to stop Joe, Jamal and Al.

The pressure should seriously be on for Joe Max if he does a complete mirror of this past season dude needs to go don’t care how just leave he already doesn’t care about the fans(which should tell you not to pay the guy)..

I do think this will be a very important year for JJ. If he struggles like he did last year, the Hawks will be in even more trouble, because his salary is increasing, he is getting older, and chances are the salary cap will be lower.

dmr

June 26th, 2011
1:47 pm

The ASG, on the whole, are liars. They never met a lie they didn’t like. They are dishonest people. I understand that you don’t go out into the media and divulge your company secrets or negotiate sales through the newspapers, radio, or internet.

There is a remedy for that; it’s the term “NO COMMENT”. If someone asks a question, plead the 5th, refuse to answer, but for goodness sake stop saying that the question has no merit or basis.

We have already gone down this road with the ASG and the Thrashers. The ASG has no credibility at all. I have no interest in hearing anything they have to say. I think by the time it’s all over, the Hawks will be sold, Michael Gearon, Jr. could go back to being a ball boy, and you’ll be looking at new ownership that hopefully you can trust to be honest.

O'Brien

June 26th, 2011
1:55 pm

Ken S,

I am a fan of Dalembert and think he would fit this team well. He has a career average of 8 pts, 8 rebs and 2 blocks in 26 mpg. I would gladly take those numbers. I think he would sign with us for the mid-level, but as you pointed out, we are too close to the tax level.

Big Ray

June 26th, 2011
2:01 pm

slimjr ,

Boozer is not known for his defense. Were it not for Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson getting all over Al, Boozer wouldn’t have stopped him.

Again, the gameplan was obvious – don’t let Al shoot any wide open set shots, and swarm him in the post.

I wouldn’t have cared if Al scored 30 against those guys or not. Josh had a better chance at doing it, as it is. Look at the difference in free throws. Josh had quite a few more attempts than Horford did. The evidence was all there. Al was guarded, Josh wasn’t guarded as hard. And, Josh didn’t play to his strengths enough. The Bulls would have had to double him constantly to have a hope of stopping him down low, unlike Al.

But it only happened in one game, really. Even in that game, Josh was 8 for 22, but for once he was going after them in the post. If only he would keep that up instead of trying to prove to everybody that he’s got a mean jumper…

SteveW

June 26th, 2011
2:27 pm

Well I guess a best case scenario for Keith Benson is Jon Salley or Vin Baker. He kinda reminds me of them

Buddy Grizzard

June 26th, 2011
2:39 pm

“LOL, at guys still believing in Marvin Williams. When will they ever learn.” – Rod from CP

We will learn this year when Marvin resumes having a role in the offense in the absence of Jamal Crawford. After his back surgery, and seeing how out of shape and uncoordinated he appears, it’s obvious that he’s going to have to pull off a conditioning miracle to salvage his career. If he can just get it together for half a season, the Hawks should overuse him to inflate his stats and try to deal him at the trade deadline.

“Every GM in their right mind said that marvin was the second best player in the draft. So i get no credit for putting this thing together?” – Billy Knight

Did R.C. Buford consult the other GMs in the league before selecting Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli? So your main qualification as a GM is that you follow what other people are saying and don’t make your own talent evaluations? Marvin Williams wasn’t even a STARTER in college and the Hawks had a gaping hole at the POINT GUARD position. You get credit for picking Josh Smith, but you could have had Josh Childress in the second round and selected Deng or Iguodala instead.

“What’s all the chatter about a majority owner coming to Atlanta? Hope it’s true, but not finding any credible info/links.” – Big Ray

As pointed out by the Blog Bretheren, David Aldridge talks about this on the NBA TV draft review, which they are showing over and over again. Tune in just before the :45 minute mark and you’ll catch the discussion of the Hawks ownership situation. According to D.A., there have been multiple offers on the Hawks and he’s convinced it’s just a matter of time before they are sold. Might take a while though and there’s really no hurry with the lockout.

Grandmaster JeJe

June 26th, 2011
3:08 pm

The only certainties in life are Death, Taxes, and the Hawks having inept management

FIRE SUND

Big Ray

June 26th, 2011
3:19 pm

Buddy G ,

Thanks for the info. I’ll tune into that once I get home…

Mike is back

June 26th, 2011
3:31 pm

SteveW, it was probably a good thing for the Hawks that Benson didn’t have the bulk…else he wouldn’t have never been there at 48.
I’m excited about this kid…I remember the first time I saw Durant at Phillip…Dude looked liked he weigh a buck 05 soak and wet…However, heart is one thing you can’t measure…If you can play you can play.

I have no criticism about how things transpired in the draft…I’m looking forward to seeing who the new majority owners will be…leave it to Ole DA…to spill beans…when your trying to keep a secret.

Until then, I will continue to read all the outlandish trade proposal…and repetitive excuses for Al…I like Al as much as everybody else…but geeeeeeez…enough excuses already.

Ray

June 26th, 2011
3:34 pm

Wait I must have missed something are you guys saying that Jamal is gone or just assuming? Cause it seems that you’re stating it as fact.

If he is gone I say great and for Marvin the duck Williams somehow need to ship him out of here package with Jamal to Sac-town for Dalembert or J.Thompson(I know this gets old lol).

Slimjr

June 26th, 2011
3:41 pm

All NBA Al is the so called ALLSTAR….

Josh is not and for good reason…

Allstar- AL= EXCUSES for 5 years and counting……..Yawn…..

Slimjr

June 26th, 2011
3:51 pm

If All NBA Al had a low post game + a left hand he could easily defeat the defenses that Chicago threw at him and if I could fly I would be superman…lol

Al gets looked at with a critical eye by some of us on the blog is because he was named an Allstar which is a flat out joke! He just confirmed that with his play in the post season!
LaMarcus Aldridge was not voted an Allstar and we all know head to head he would flat out dismantle ALL NBA ……………

Slimjr

June 26th, 2011
4:01 pm

@Doc,

Derrick is already more advanced than both Al and Josh on the Offensive end…The Hawks had a ton of offensive droughts especially in the 4th quarters of games when their guards ran outta gas and the Bigs could not carry them….
One of them should have have been shopped for him..As presently configured they are not going to an ECF?

In fact Doc, this is a lottery team if they played out West……….Wow…..

dj dascorpian

June 26th, 2011
4:01 pm

When Benson develops himself, gets good-he will want to trade out of the Atl to get with another team with good management. Um just sayin…

Slimjr

June 26th, 2011
4:12 pm

Doc do you realize the Thunder have swept the Hawks three years running? You cant beat that team you aint going to an ECF nor deserve too…

Ken Strickland

June 26th, 2011
4:39 pm

THERE IS NO ONE BLINDER THAN HE WHO WON’T SEE. No matter how much logical, common sense information and facts you present, he only tries to rationize it into something else.

I decided to take a look at Horfords stats against the Bulls, since so many of you seem to think he went soft, digressed and single handedly caused us to lose the series against the Bulls. HORFORD(JAMAL) GAME 1:

PPG-9(22), RPG-13(1), APG-4(3), BPG-2(0).
GAME 2
PPG-6(11), RPG-14(0), APG-6(1), BPG-1(0).
GAME 3
PPG-10(7), RPG-8(2), APG-2(3), BPG-0(0).
GAME 4
PPG-20(12),RPG-5(1), APG-5(1), BPG-1(0)
GAME 5
PPG-12(2), RPG-10(1), APG-3(4), BPG-2(0).
GAME 6
PPG-7(8), RPG-4(1), APG-1(2), BPG-0(0).

Horford’s combined playoff production ranked him 5th in scoring(11.3PPG), 1st in rebounding(9.6RPG), 1st in assists(3.5APG) and 2nd in blocks(1.0BPG).

Oh he!! yes, we must get rid of this soft, regressing, deadly jumpshooting natural PF playing out of position AHorford as soon as possible. How can anyone with an actual IQ, or without personal issues, compare Horford’s playoff production to Jamal’s and claim Horford was the Hawks major problem? Actually, how can anyone compare his playoff production to any other Hawk and say he was the problem?

doc

June 26th, 2011
5:12 pm

slim the reality is if dw is as good as you say he is why would they soend nore for something of less value. get real? :-)

Ray

June 26th, 2011
5:13 pm

I think blog monster ate me post.

doc

June 26th, 2011
5:16 pm

KevinM

June 26th, 2011
8:31 pm

We can’t expect much from a 48 pick who was the last center chosen in this draft. Let’s not get our hopes up for much of a contribution. Truth is, Randolph Morris was thought of more highly than Benson. I hope he beats the odds, you’re talking about a rookie with a coach who is not privy to developing rookies.
OB and Ken S, Cousins and Dalembert are at 2 diff places in their careers. I haven’t yet seen a team with Dalembert that has had much success. While Cousins has had poor team results last year, he would be an excellent fit here based on talent alone….not to mention his annual costs to a team. I think Cousins needs a vet team show him the ropes. I feel had we gotten him last year, we might be talking about a totally different approach heading into this season. Sund wasted an entire season/summer to improve as so many werent convinced Cousins could mature and produce. His best games are in front of him and he could end up being the top center in the West next year.
We aren’t in a position to outbid or offer a better deal than another team.

Perhaps we sit a year.
Perhaps Sund and Drew’s contracts expire at the same time.
Perhaps we have new owners

The roster as is will not be a threat for anything past the 2nd round. It’s been proven that the makeup of this lineup has some serious flaws.

KevinM

June 26th, 2011
8:33 pm

And I do realize it’s not realistic for Snd to bring in a Cousins or Monta Ellis. He places too much value with the pieces we have.

Trading Sy and Horford for Rocket big men and #14 + 23/2nd rounder picks for Donatas & M.Thomas

June 26th, 2011
10:12 pm

Kevin Garnett is a 7′0 power forward with 7′6 arms

and I guess we’re the Timberwolves?

“Grandad

June 24th, 2011
6:47 pm

Keith Benson

Aspires to be like Kevin Garnett.

There will be those who scoff & or excoriate
the young man for setting such high goals.
As for myself, it shows courage and confidence
to aim that high.

*[very similar body type] to KG
If he can mold his body into something resembling KG;
-then…..perhaps- ?”

KevinM

June 26th, 2011
10:42 pm

NYTimes reporting that Odom, Iggy, and Josh Smith will likely be traded.

Crank up the deals this week….it might be awhile before anyone tips it up.

Slimjr

June 27th, 2011
7:40 am

drmaryb, it will be interesting to see if the Hawks can truly improve toward contending for an ECF..

Two indicators will give us some insight:

1- Will they take that abysmal 13-26 record against +.500 teams and flip that? Say 26-13?
2- Will they be able to compete out West and come away with a winning record against that superior conference..

I say no to both if the core is still intact to lace it up next season…

Slimjr

June 27th, 2011
7:56 am

“Also, everyone says Al is a better defender one on one than Josh. But Josh has a bigger impact on the game defensively than Al. So how is Al a better defender? In my mind at BEST for Al they’re a wash offensively (even though I think Josh is a better play maker and passer). Al has a better jump shot of course. But Josh is a better post player and seems draws more fouls than Al and Joe combined. They’re the same age. And truly in the last 3 years you can say Josh has improved more than Al has. I truly don’t see Al being more than Okafor, except for with a jump shot. So if one must go, he goes first.

Also everyone questions Josh’s IQ. But if Al can’t see he’s CLEARLY more productive at the center position than when he’s at the PF position.

Also anyone who thinks that Chicago designed a defense to stop Horford is on something serious. Chicago just played Horford up tight and gave him the drive with Carlos Boozer. If Horford can’t beat Boozer off of the dribble consistently, then what other PF can he beat from the elbow?”

@Ra’mon, interesting observation..You nailed it Sir!!
Some will never get it, IQ and all..Pride has a way of blinding…But its their right to dream on about this dude….

Josh is a superior defender. Sund should have shop All NBA for that #2 pick!

Ken Strickland

June 27th, 2011
9:31 am

There are several things that must take place if the Hawks intend to become serious title contender.

1-HC LDrew has to do more than pay lip service to start demanding player accountability with action rather than words,

2-He has to start judging and playing his players, especially his PG’s, based on ability, productivity, skills and team needs, rather than experience alone.

3-He has to recognize that his beloved MOTION OFF won’t work the way he envisions as long as ISO Joe remains the focal point of the OFF and is allowed to disrupt it by taking control of the ball whenever he wants.

4-He has to recognize if we wants the Hawks to become a serious title contender, we can’t continue trying to be a half court, guard dominated, jump shooting OFF, especially with the guards we have.

5-JSmith has to be held accountable for becoming more consistent, and it’s going to take more than conversations and lip service from Drew to get it done.

6-We have to become an inside out team, which requires Teague, Horford and Josh to become more involved in running and/or participating in the OFF.

7-LDrew has to start looking at our younger players, like Pape Sy, MRolle, JTeague, HArmstrong, KBenson etc, and determine what they do best and utilize them the way he utilized JCollins. When it comes to veterans he seems to have the right idea. He got productivity out of veterans JCollins, who’s limited in every area but providing physical one on one DEF, and DWilkins, who’s OFF limited. But when it came to rookies and younger players, he followed in MWoodson’s footsteps and gave excuses for not playing them, or just ignored them all together.

8-Certain players have to adjust their attitude and approach. We can’t have anymore of the mental and/or physical let downs that characterized the team last yr, and lead to so many blowouts.

9-If the Hawks are to ever play up to its potential, LDrew has got to:
(A)-allow this team to play to it’s strengths. That means we can’t continue focusing primarily on his half court oriented MOTION OFF, rather than running at every opportunity,
(B)-stop relying primarily on shooting jumpshots, rather than penetrating and getting to the FT line more often,
(C)-stop relying on OFF and OFF minded players to bail us out when we need DEF and DEF minded players.

10-Sund has to add a shooter to replace Jamal, and hopefully a DEF minded Big.

JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

DinasaurFenton

June 27th, 2011
11:41 am

THE HAWKS SHOULD FIRE LARRY DREW TODAY!!!! THEN QUICKLY REPLACE DREW WITH ONE OF THE GREATEST MINDS AND BASKETBALL COACHES THE NBA HAS EVER SEEN. THIS GUY IS THE BEST UNEMPLOYED COACH GOING RIGHT NOW AND I’M SURPRISED THAT NO ONE HAS CALLED HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW. THE HAWKS NEED A HIGH-PROFILE COACH TO CONTINUE THEIR ASCENSION TO THE TOP OF THE NBA MOUNTAIN. THE HAWKS FINISHED ONLY T-W-O WINS AWAY FROM THE EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS AND ONLY 10 WINS AWAY FROM WINNING THE ‘GOLD BALL’. Look when you’re that close, you need a legendary coach to hoist you over the top. There is a guy available who would be a perfect fit for the Hawks. He’s a guy who has about 50 years of coaching experience and he can handle punks like Josh Smith and Zsa Zsa Pachulia. He can handle malcontents and moody players like Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford (guys who occasionally dog it and decide to not show up and give half-ass efforts. THIS COACHING GIANT IS DESTINED FOR THE HALL OF FAME AND HE CAN HANDLE ANY DIRT THAT THE HAWKS CAN THROW AT HIM. TRUTH BE TOLD, IF HE IS HIRED, MOST OF THE HAWKS WILL THROW EVERYTHING AT THIS GUY INCLUDING THE REFIGERATOR, STOVE, KITCHEN SINK, ETC. AND THIS LEGENDARY COACH WILL HANDLE IT WITH GRACE AND GRACIOUSLY GUIDE THE HAWKS TO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE. THE LEGENDARY COACH WHO I AM REFERRING IS JERRY SLOAN.

KevinM

June 27th, 2011
12:02 pm

No way the Hawks dump the cheap Drew despite the average results he put up during the season. Like Woodson, Drew was lucky to have a decent playoff run to give him a chance to return.
Had they gone down 4-0 to the Magic, I still think both he and Sund return.
I see a wasted year trying to figure out what pieces fit together and tyring to get more out of the existing roster. Doesn’t work for me; we need improvements in the starting lineup and we aren’t getting them by drafts an FA pickups.
I would think after watching this same roster compete for 3 straight years, Sund would want to revamp 2 or 3 areas instead of just verbalizing that things were discussed, but nothing enough to warrant a change. The CBA is his excuse to not provide any information to the fan base.

Only when these 2 guys are gone will we be moving in any direction other than stagnant. Wanna bet Sund comes out and says we are in position to compete for a Top 4 playoff slot next year?

KevinM

June 27th, 2011
12:05 pm

Oh, and with Sund’s desire to bring back Collins, does anyone think he is competing against anyone? He is basically saying he will bring back Collins if he will play for the minimum again.

Sund is so shrewd with his words.

KevinM

June 27th, 2011
12:07 pm

Haha, Al and isolation…so now we have 2 guys that want plays to go through them?

DinasaurFenton

June 27th, 2011
2:06 pm

I’m I the only person who feels that former Jazz great coach Jerry Sloan is the PERFECT COACH FOR THE ATLANTA HAWKS? Jerry is an OLD-SCHOOL coach who is known for being a no-nonsense, hard-nosed, tough-as-nails, SOB that doesnt take any crap from anyone. WHEN THE FANS SAW JOSH SMITH CONTINUALLY HOISTING UP THREE-POINTERS THAT NEARLY COST US THE ORLANDO SERIES AND THEN WHEN JOSH CONTINUED THROWING UP THOSE BRICKS IN THE CHICAGO SERIES, most fans were scratching their heads saying, “I wonder why the coaches wont tell smith to stop shooting from half-court where he has no chance of making the shots.” If Sloan was coaching the Hawks, every time Josh launched a jumper from 10 feet BEHIND the three-point line, SLOAN WOULD MAKE SURE THAT JOSH WAS FINED $100,000 EVERY TIME HE SHOT AN ILL-ADVISED SHOT. Josh would quickly get the message to cut it out and stop hurting the team. Josh has done this repeatedly for his eight years that he has been a pro. Josh also, due to force of habit, loves to dribble the ball downcourt as though he is a guard, right before he turns the ball over and coughs it up to the other team. SLOAN WOULD GET JOSH TO QUIT DOING THAT AS WELL. SLOAN WOULD SIT JOSH DOWN AND SAY TO HIM, SON, IF YOU WANT TO DRIBBLE THE BALL LIKE A GUARD, THEN GET OFF THIS TEAM AND PLAY FOR SOMEONE ELSE WHERE YOU ARE THE STARTING GUARD. BUT AS LONG AS YOU ARE A FORWARD, YOU EITHER PLAY LIKE A FOWARD OR GET KICKED OFF THE TEAM. Jerry Sloan doesnt take any CRAP from anyone. JERRY SLOAN IS THE PERFECT COACH FOR THE HAWKS FOR THREE REASONS. #1:Sloan has groomed ordinary players into hall of famers (Malone, Stockton and Deron Williams); #2:Sloan’s teaching techniques have helped develop hall-of-fame results with three of his students:stockton, malone and williams; and #3:Sloan doesnt take any garbage from anyone and if you dont play up to your maximum potential, you will swiftly get kicked off the team. JERRY SLOAN IS THE PERFECT COACH FOR THE ATLANTA HAWKS. FIRE DREW, AND GET SLOAN AN INTERVIEW IMMEDIATELY AND SIGN HIM TO A LONG-TERM CONTRACT.

DinasaurFenton

June 27th, 2011
5:18 pm

The apathy to hire a head coach is the same mindset the Falcons took when they were hiring a head coach. When the Falcons hired Smith, they could have gotten someone much better, someone like either John Madden, Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells or even Hank Stram. But instead the Falcons opted to hire Mike Smith and although the Falcons were the #1 seed in the NFC last year, they fell flat in the playoffs and lost to the eventual champion Green Bay Packers. Now the Hawks have the LUXURY of there being a HALL OF FAME COACH AVAILABLE waiting for his next job. Instead of jumping at Sloan and quickly scooping him up, the Hawks act as though Larry Drew has greater coaching skills than Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson combined, WHICH MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. JERRY SLOAN WILL MAKE JOSH SMITH WORK HARD. JERRY SLOAN WILL DEMAND THAT JAMAL CRAWFORD ALWAYS PLAYS LIKE THE “SILENT ASSASSIN” that he is and not the guy who disappeared in the playoffs against the Bulls averaging about 9 points a game. That Jamal Crawford is WORTHLESS. JERRY SLOAN WILL LIGHT A FIRE UNDER JOE JOHNSON AND DEMAND THAT HE PLAYS LIKE THE FUTURE HALL OF FAMER THAT HE IS. JERRY SLOAN IS THE PERFECT GUY FOR THE ATLANTA HAWKS COACHING VACANCY. I SAY VACANCY BECAUSE LARRY DREW SHOULD BE GETTING FIRED ANY DAY NOW.