Atlanta Hawks: Second-round sleepers

The reality is that the Hawks face long odds of drafting a player who ends up being a solid bench player, much less a difference-maker, if they stay at No. 48.

Of course that doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

“We get guys that go undrafted and become starters,” said Ryan Blake, the NBA’s co-director or scouting. “[J.J.] Barea, Wes Matthews, Landry Fields–it happens a lot. There is a different philosophy in the second round. You know, maybe a guy can come in and be that shooter. You never know what is going to happen.

“Regardless of what you get, you want to give them the opportunity to make that team. Plus, I think there will be some surprises of guys left going into the second round that might fall into their lap. The old international pick can always be a good thing, too, like Ginobili.”

Blake identified some “under the radar guys” that might fit what the Hawks are looking for:

Vernon Macklin
Diante Garrett
Andrew Goudelock
Ben Hansbrough
Nolan Smith
Josh Harrellson
Brad Wanamaker
Demetri McCamey
Isaiah Thomas
Malcolm Thomas
Iman Shumpert
DeAndre Liggins
Casey Mitchell
E’twaun Moore

Blake said these guys are potential “surprises to be gobbled up if they slip to the second round.”

Jon Leuer
JaJuan Johnson
Charles Jenkins

Un-Smoove sailings?

Adrian Wojnarowski weighed in with the latest Smoove trade speculation. Others have since jumped into the fray.

It’s no secret that Josh is more frustrated than ever with what he perceives to be unfair criticism of his game by media, fans, and even L.D..

Josh’s supporters have long argued that he catches more flak for missing shots than any of his teammates. It’s a fair point, but their pleadings don’t usually acknowledge that it’s not about Josh missing shots as much as it is about him taking more shots that he (historically) hasn’t made. J.J. had an awful season shooting the ball (and took a lot of heat for it) but it’s not as if he has a track record of missing the shots he was taking.

Josh’s supporters counter that because he played more small forward in L.D.’s motion offense he got the ball on the perimeter more by design. L.D. maintained that he called plays for Josh in the post only to see him drift back outside. That’s always hard to figure from an outside’s perspective, but I’d say a better defense of Josh is that L.D. seemingly didn’t say much about the jump shots until they stopped falling.

It’s true the Hawks have gauged trade interest in Smoove, just like they did at the deadline. It makes sense because he’s probably their best chance to get a real player in return (though remember Josh has a trade kicker that’s now valued at about $4 million). None of this means that a deal is imminent or even probable.

The Hawks keep downplaying Smoove’s unhappiness, and he hasn’t asked them for a trade. He’s long been a favorite of ownership, too. I just don’t see the Hawks dumping Smoove in a weak trade just because he feels he’s taking too much blame. He’s too valuable for that.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

247 comments Add your comment

SteveW

June 22nd, 2011
12:23 pm

SteveW

June 22nd, 2011
12:25 pm

I agree with the list from Blake. I almost wish we would use 1 or 2 (or maybe all 3) of our 2nd picks for next year and get in this 2nd round. 1st round after the first few looks bad, but looks like there may be some solid guys in the 2nd round, like Jenkins, Macklin, Harrelson, that Iowa St. G and some others.

SteveW

June 22nd, 2011
12:27 pm

I like Isaiah Thomas, Mack, and Moore also. E’twaun Moore is Jordan Crawford 2 in almost every way – Moore was some type of Academic All American also.

Marcus

June 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm

I would like someone who is a beast on D, esp. if we lack a bona fide scorer on the 2nd unit (J. Crawford gets gone or we don’t get a gunslinger in FA). We have to keep the score down somehow if most/all of the starters are getting a breather.

The Real Hawk

June 22nd, 2011
12:43 pm

The “surprises” aren’t what we need. Neither is a tough defender in the paint!

td

June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm

I wish we would ship Josh to Golden State for Monta Ellis or to Philadelphia for Igoudola.

The Real Hawk

June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm

We will not get Howard in a trade for Smith.

Marcus

June 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm

I would luv JuJuan Johnson, but I think Bleacher Report ahs mentioned David Lighty (Ohio State, SG/SF) as a potential … esp. if he is noted for defense.
I wish Michigan State had a draft-eligible player in our position of need … they seem to have a good team rep. for D.

ILL-Logical

June 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm

(though remember Josh has a trade kicker that’s now valued at about $4 million).

And that my friends is the end of the story. The ASG ain’t paying Josh an extra $4 large !
Thanks for pointing that out MC.Of course the facts have never deterred the critics.

TommyP

June 22nd, 2011
12:53 pm

What are the Hawks looking to get in shipping Josh to Orlando????????

Marcus

June 22nd, 2011
12:58 pm

..reading Malcom Thomas’ bio on DraftExpress …… I like him, and if Billy Knight was around .. so would he (LOL).

O'Brien

June 22nd, 2011
1:07 pm

Last year, Sund and Pendergraph they said they didn’t see anybody that they liked early in the second round, so they sold their pick (which was 31st or 32nd). But this year, in a weaker draft, and picking 48, they are looking for a contributor? Why didn’t they find a contributor at 31 last year?

Is it because the Thrashers weren’t sold and they needed the money?

And as a Hawks fan, I will be very disappointed if the reason they trade Josh is because that’s the only way they can afford to pay JJ’s salary. If that’s the case, they should not have given JJ the contract they did.

O'Brien

June 22nd, 2011
1:13 pm

From the previous blog;

I dont think Parker is a free agent. Last year, he signed a 4 years, $50 mil contract extension.

UGA

June 22nd, 2011
1:22 pm

MC: I read that the Cavs may have contacted the Hawks, and that Grant fella is the GM who use to be with the Hawks. Could they be interested in Marvin since they need a SF? Heard anything?

cp

June 22nd, 2011
1:34 pm

I like Malcolm Thomas. I dont think Nolan Smith slips into the second round.

Canton

June 22nd, 2011
1:44 pm

Question for the blog:

If the Suns were considering trading Steve Nash to the Wolves for the #2 pick, why would they not take Smoove in exchange. He is proven, has a reasonable contract for the next 2 years and would bring some excitement to that team. I don’t see why we wouldn’t push for a Nash for Smith and Sy trade. This is why giving up our first AND crawford for Hinrich was so idiotic. Those pieces could have been used to acquire Nash in a package with Smith and made us an instant contender with the addition of a veteran center.

Josh Smith

June 22nd, 2011
1:46 pm

Hey, Hawks fans. When I saw this article title, I thought it was about the Hawks sleeping in the second round of the playoffs. My bad. Oh, and thanks for all the advice about not shooting so many 45-footers. I feel pretty good about next season now. ‘Preciate it.

Michael Cunningham

June 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm

@UGA: “MC: I read that the Cavs may have contacted the Hawks, and that Grant fella is the GM who use to be with the Hawks. Could they be interested in Marvin since they need a SF? Heard anything?”

if they wanted Marvin i am sure the Hawks would gladly send him away to get out from under his contract. the Hawks aren’t getting calls about Marvin. they tried to unload him in February but no takers.

Trojan

June 22nd, 2011
1:51 pm

It really does not matter, I am confident that Sund will do the right things in regards to drafting or trading. He is a sharp GM that is a real trend setter. His thinking is inovating and cleaver.

KevinM

June 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm

To follow up on MC’s comments…….if a GM was calling the Hawks, do you think they really would be inquiring about Marvin? Really?

Teague is the one I am afraid we may lose. Drew would be more comfortable with a Felton or Andre Miller. I think that would be a huge mistake to let him get away. The only one who has an issue with Teague is Larry. The fan base is behind him. Don’t do it Sund!

Josh Harrellson

June 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm

Hey, does anyone have Rick’s landline number? I want to introduce myself and let him know I would like to bring my talents to the ASG.

I think I’m worthy of the #48, and if you need any video, go to Instant Classic on ESPN..I’m the guy who smacked the ball off Sullinger of Ohio State and stood toe-to-toe with him all game.

I can also ask my college coach if he would like to live/work in Atlanta?

Melvin

June 22nd, 2011
2:04 pm

Josh, Teague and AL are the players I would build this team around. Unless Al can get us a Gasol or Howard. Everyone else is tradeable…

mountain_jim

June 22nd, 2011
2:11 pm

Hawks could have had Monta Ellis in 2nd round and some bloggers wanted to pick him but Billy K knew better. (yeah right).

ryan

June 22nd, 2011
2:13 pm

Hey MC do you think Hawks might be buyers in the draft maybe a trade up in the 1st round to get Shumpert package Josh Smith because biggest need is a true center there have few rumors about Haywood from Dallas you heard anything MC thanks .

darrell starks

June 22nd, 2011
2:16 pm

The hawks are close just need to add a couple of pieces plus a new coach, LD is a lucky coach just like woody was the time he was here, LD NEVER DEVELOP TEAGUE AT ALL, just lucky when HINRICH became hurt, in my book LD gets no points, the hawks have talent in place just need a coach to take them to the next level,
BILL LAMBEER IS OUT THERE BRING HIM IN NOW IF POSSIBLE BEFORE SOME OTHER TEAM GRAB HIM.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.

KevinM

June 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm

Josh for Tony Parker straight up….could anyone else see Tony as an all-star in the East vying with Rondo and DRose for a slot? Hey, if Teague is not going to get the minutes, and no one here can say he will, we have to shoot for higher ground.

At least no one is suggesting AI….

mountain_jim

June 22nd, 2011
2:24 pm

Sund never should have traded this draft pick and JC2 for Hinrich while Teague sat on the end of the bench. Ticks me off.

Rod from College Park

June 22nd, 2011
2:28 pm

“if they wanted Marvin i am sure the Hawks would gladly send him away to get out from under his contract. the Hawks aren’t getting calls about Marvin. they tried to unload him in February but no takers.”

Thanks MC for posting this. Just realized the blog was back up, and read thru most of the post. No GM is idiotic enough to want anything to do with Marvin Williams, unless they are getting rid of a similar player who gets paid a lot of money, and does nothing. Marvin is one of the biggest bust of this decade. No other team wants him, so I wish people would stop thinking that they do. If he was not on the Hawks, he would not even be in the league anymore.

darrell starks

June 22nd, 2011
2:32 pm

PLAYERS WHO COULD BE THERE AND A STEAL.

1. NOLAN SMITH PG a solid back up.
2. TREY THOMPKINS PF good inside outside game.
3. TRAVIS LESLIE SG very athletic and skill need work on jumshot.
4. KYLE SINGLER SF whom i like a lot if fall this far.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 22nd, 2011
2:40 pm

Landry Fields was drafted.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm

Shumpert is increasingly being projected as a mid first rounder. I guess teams are catching on that Paul Hewitt’s players generally play better in the NBA than in college.

I haven’t seen most of those second rounders play, but JaJuan Johnson is one player I like. I doubt he’ll be there where the Hawks pick though.

In this weak ass draft, identify a guy who clearly has one NBA-level skill, pick him, and put him in the best position to exploit that skill. That’s the best the Hawks can hope for picking at #48. Can’t get caught up with positions and needs and all that.

Jerry West

June 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm

MC,

What about the big Jordan Williams kid from Maryland if he’s there at 48? ESPN or someone of their ilk has him there in a mock. Assuming Hilt, Etan, and Powell are gone, why not get a burly 4/5 to “goon it up”?

jason

June 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm

If we do trade josh, then we need a 3rd team. The people the Magic are offering are some garbage players. DON’T TRADE JOSH WITHIN THE SAME DIVISION!! JOSH FOR WES JOHNSON AND THE #2 PICK TO DRAFT DERRICK WILLIAMS!! LEH GO!

darrell starks

June 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm

EmirS.

June 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm

Otis Smith has to be trying to get another team involved if they are to get Smoove. Really curious as to whom if anyone at all.

And I just read into a rumor about Lakers going after Varejao.

I love rumors about trades and stuff. Makes it so much more exciting and tense!

ryan

June 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm

I agree if we trade Josh Smith we need to do this right Smith for a top lottery pick or a real good player it does not have to be a super star don’t make the same mistake when we traded Josh Childress please GET THIS ONE RIGHT .

Najeh Davenpoop

June 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm

As for Tony Parker, if I’m making a trade for a point guard, that point guard better be a clear and significant upgrade over Teague’s upside. With the way they are overpaying Joe and Marvin, the Hawks need cheap labor where they can get it, and right now the only place that’s happening is with Teague. CP3 or Deron Williams is a clear upgrade over Teague’s upside. Parker, being a player who relies on quickness, entering his 10th year in the league and having logged an extra season’s worth of playoff games, is not.

EmirS.

June 22nd, 2011
3:04 pm

Buddy Grizzard

June 22nd, 2011
3:09 pm

Buddy Grizzard

June 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

“And that my friends is the end of the story. The ASG ain’t paying Josh an extra $4 large !
Thanks for pointing that out MC.Of course the facts have never deterred the critics.” – IllLogical

Trade kicker means there’s a clause in his contract that states that if he is traded during the course of the contract, the total value of the contract increases by $4m. Thus, the team receiving that contract would be on the hook for $4m than what the Hawks would have to pay if they kept Josh for the duration of the contract. The receiving team pays the kicker, not the Hawks.

BigTimeTechFan

June 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

Based on the review this guy should be a top 5 pick:

Andrew Goudelock
Strengths: Quick combo-guard with a deadly shooting stroke … One of the best scorers in the nation (23.7 PPG) … Very energetic offensively … Hard to defend … Doesn’t waste any time holding the ball, as soon as he receives a pass he looks to make a move … Good in isolation situations … Employs an excellent pull-up jump shot with a quick and efficient release … Is very active without the ball … Knows how to find openings on the perimeter and set himself up for a catch-and-shoot opportunity … Prolific three-point shooter … Makes over 3.5 triples every game at a 40.7% clip … Has legitimate NBA range and then some … Nearly automatic when left open … Solid defender that moves his feet well and stays in front of his man …

I’ll add “coached by one of the best all time coaches in NCAA history”

Jae Evolution

June 22nd, 2011
3:59 pm

To follow up BigTimeTechFan’s post on Goudelock he has JR Smith type range and could be a SOLID backup PG if he works on it, I think we should draft either him or Isaiah Thomas with our late pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1smyOfRXIxM

Section 303

June 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm

The most obvious trade would be to send Josh to Minniesota for the 2nd pick in the draft…Minny would probably have to throw in another player to make the deal work.

Time for Josh to go. I don’t want him back. Would love to use him to get into the draft.

Marcus, I hear you on your Michigan State take. Are you a Spartan?

O'Brien

June 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm

it was not a bad pick,

if they wanted Marvin i am sure the Hawks would gladly send him away to get out from under his contract. the Hawks aren’t getting calls about Marvin. they tried to unload him in February but no takers..

Just in case you missed it in MC’s post. When will other teams realize that Marvin would be a star if it wasnt for JJ and Jamal taking away his shots, and Josh jacking up jumpers.

Section 303,

I would not trade Josh for the #2 pick.

Section 303

June 22nd, 2011
4:08 pm

O’Brien, really? I would jump all over that.

I hate to come on here and dream up trade possibilities, but the trade to Minny makes sense. Minny does not need to stock up on anymore new players. They have enough. Bring in Josh, get rid of the #2 pick. I’m betting a Hawks offer of Josh Smith for that pick would be better than any offer they have received for the #2 spot.

How about Josh Smith to Minny and Hawks get #2 pick and Beasley? I love it. Draft Derrick Williams and than trade Marvin away for a bag of balls. Would be a great, not good, great move for the Hawks.

E43

June 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm

“Josh’s supporters counter that because he played more small forward in L.D.’s motion offense he got the ball on the perimeter more by design.”

He takes the shots regardless of what position he plays. I dont think that playing small forward is a legitimate excuse for taking “bad shots.” He just needs to concentrate on getting better with decision making and fundamentals as LD needs continue to try to devise ways to get him the ball down low. That Small Forward excuse can work in high school and less in college but I just think that in the NBA most players should have an understanding of where their shots will come from as well as what shots they can work on or not. Teague might play fewer minutes but i think he has a better understanding on when to release a three and when it becomes too much or too risky. I think Josh can play the SF position efficiently, we just have to give him a chance and let him do his side of the hard work.

BirdDirty

June 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm

Larry Drew is the problem here. If you were so upset with Josh Smith taking jump shots, you should have pulled him from the game. He has no back bone. Josh is the only player that brings enthusiasm to this dull team. I don’t see Josh succeeding in Atl with Larry Drew coaching. I bet anything that Josh turns into an All-Star if he goes to Boston, Phoenix, L.A., or Orlando. If you want to trade somebody, trade Al Horford.

BirdDirty

June 22nd, 2011
4:25 pm

Why does Larry Drew run so many sets where Josh Smnith is standing behind the three point line with the shot clock running down? If Josh refuses to get under or near the basket, bench him. Sounds like a coaching problem if you ask me.

BirdDirty

June 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm

Drew should take notes on how Rick Carlisle utilizes Shawn Marion. He is always around the basket. ALWAYS!!!!

Rufus1

June 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm

All I want is a Rebounder, shotblocker or 3pt shooter.

Harrellson, Macklin, Malcom Thomas or Goudelock….

PS… Josh Smith for Lamar Odom & extras