Atlanta Hawks: ‘Detroit model’ still a lemon
So if you are trying to be a championship contender, would you rather be GM of the Knicks or the Hawks right about now?
In Atlanta, you have a roster that’s been built on the Detroit model, which is historically flawed because a superstar player has almost always been necessary to win a title. But you do have two All-Stars, an All-Star (if enigmatic) talent, a promising young point guard and a solid veteran point guard.
In New York, you have the opposite problem. The Knicks have two superstar talents and not enough around them. Howard Beck of the New York Times breaks down the dilemma face by the Knicks:
As [Donnie] Walsh noted last week in announcing his decision to step down, “we have the stars” required to be respectable. “They will do what they do, and we’re lucky to have them,” he said. But, he noted, “You need more than that” to contend for championships.
The proof is in the playoffs, where each conference finalist had invaluable supporting players: Joakim Noah and Luol Deng in Chicago, Serge Ibaka and Thabo Sefolosha in Oklahoma City, Tyson Chandler and Shawn Marion in Dallas, Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller in Miami.
They are not stars, but they are indispensable in a title chase — the players who “fill in the blanks,” as Walsh said — setting hard screens, pouncing on loose balls, hitting timely jumpers, guarding top scorers, challenging shots in the paint. The great teams have such players in abundance. The Knicks have a dearth of them.
Chicago, Oklahoma City, Dallas and Miami also had at least one player named second-team All-NBA or better, like all but five champions and 10 runners-up in the league’s history. Rick Sund suggested the only way to get those kind of players is by picking No. 1 or No. 2 in the draft or spending free agent cash.
I don’t have to remind my blog people of the many ways the Hawks have messed up selecting a future superstar in the draft before Sund got here. Nor do you need to be told that Sund just gave away a pick to Washington because of his mistake in signing Bibby to that deal. And you already know the No. 1 reason the Hawks don’t have the ability to sign a superstar is because Sund gave J.J. the richest contract in the league but didn’t get anywhere close to superstar-level or even usual J.J.-like production. (The deals for Bibby and Marvin didn’t help, either.)
There’s another way in addition trades and free agency, of course. Top 10 players can be acquired in trades, which isn’t easy to do but is not without precedent. Looking back since 1980, there are a handful of such players who joined new teams through trades and helped them win titles: Kareem, Dr. J (who was actually “sold” to the 76ers by the Nets), Tiny Archibald, Moses Malone, Pippen (after the Sonics drafted him No. 5 overall), Barkley (after he became disgruntled in Philly), Penny (after the Warriors drafted him No. 3 overall), Mutombo (sorry to bring it up), J. Kidd, and Kobe (after the Hornets drafted him No. 13 overall).
So if you doubt the Detroit model is a winner, and you are convinced the Hawks need to get a superstar to be real contenders, then hope Sund can somehow get one through a trade. Sund apparently considers the trades for Jamal and Hinrich to be major deals but neither required the Hawks to give up a major piece.
Getting a superstar would require that kind of bold move, which is tricky since Atlanta lacks coveted assets like draft picks and cheap/productive/promising players. Making such a move while also keeping enough help around for the acquired superstar makes it trickier still, as the Knicks are finding out.
Sund has been involved in some major swaps. In 2000 with Detroit, he traded away Grant Hill in his prime to Orlando for Ben Wallace. Eventually Wallace became the kind of elite defender who made the Detroit model work, to the point that he was voted second-team NBA in 2006. And while with Seattle in 2003, Sund traded away Gary Payton, who was just starting his decline from All-NBA, and got Ray Allen, who would make second-team All-NBA in 2005.
Speaking of trades . . . .
Rusty Simmons of the San Francisco Chronicle reports: “League sources said the Warriors also have discussed [Monta] Ellis, among a variety of other players, in trade talks with Atlanta, Chicago, Memphis, Orlando and the Lakers.”
It’s always hard to know exactly what to make of “trade talks.” But I can’t think of a reason why the Hawks would be interested in Ellis, who has $33 million and three years left on a deal that includes a player option.
Simmons says the Warriors are looking for defensive help and want a big guard, a swingman and a post presence (and who doesn’t want one of those?). For what it’s worth, J.J. is a big guard who also can be a swingman, and Josh is a good defender who can play the 3, but look at the Golden State roster and tell me if there’s anyone the Hawks need/want?
Notes
- Marvin had outpatient surgery today to alleviate what the team says is an “isolated bulging disk” in his lower back. The Hawks said Marvin is set to begin rehab immediately and is expected to return to full basketball activities in six to weight weeks.
- The Arkansas Times talked to J.J., who says he might consider playing in Europe if there’s a lockout but added:” [I]f you go over there and get hurt, your contract is void.” That’s a lob for my blog people.
- The Hawks are in draft mode. They will start holding workouts for prospects next week but, unfortunately, there will be no media access. A list of prospects hopefully will be forthcoming.
- Teague has two basketball camps next week: June 13-15 at Salem High in Conyers and June 16-18 at Wheeler High in Marietta. Registration info is here.
- Al also has two camps: June 25-26 at Emory and June 28-29 in Lansing, Mich. Registration info is here.
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J.J.M.
June 9th, 2011
12:41 pm
*surgery
Elvin Hayes
June 9th, 2011
12:48 pm
I’m pretty sure those deals for Kareem and Dr. J occurred before 1980. Kareem for sure.
Geemack
June 9th, 2011
1:15 pm
Detroit Model…..a crap shot
Lakers Model……16 finals appearances in 31 years, and only missed the playoffs once.
Which model is more successful?
DS
June 9th, 2011
1:25 pm
Ken Strickland – I don’t think we should go w/Teague & Hinrich backcourt. Not only are we smaller, but our bench would look pretty thin. I think Hinrich could take the 6th man role, and would actually benefit from it by being a combo guard. Plus, JJ is way more effective at the 2. Josh would definitely need to lose some weight and work on his handling to take the 3 permanently though.
northcyde
June 9th, 2011
1:37 pm
Yeah Mr. Strickland . . . I must’ve been doing my research on the numbers as you were finishing up your post. It’s pretty obvious what the Detroit model is. And it’s also obvious that we’re not following it.
Marcus
June 9th, 2011
2:04 pm
Hey, just saw on ESPN.com that Sixers/Clippers are talking Iguodala/Kaman trade …. if that comes to pass, does that mean LAC’s 2010 1st round pick Al-Farouq Aminu becomes expendable?
Fundamentals
June 9th, 2011
2:07 pm
Let’s hear an explanation of how the Hawks can get the Lakers Model…
Magic’s Lakers or Kobe’s Lakers?
We need a HUGE defender and post scorer at C.
We need a HOF or Head Coach Quality PG to be our floor general.
We need 7′ rebounders at SF & PF who can play D & Score.
We could go on and on.
Magic’s Lakers – loaded with superstars and HOF players.
Shaq & Kobe – 2 Superstars
Kobe & Gasol – 1.5 Superstars and nice role players.
Slimjr
June 9th, 2011
2:17 pm
Sund , get Marvins sorry AZZ outta here yesterday! That back has been an issue with his big azz before…Jettison the core Scottie..
Aye Captain..
Slimjr
June 9th, 2011
2:18 pm
38-43 wins………….Yawn…..
Horford + Sy for Rockets Picks: sg-Travis Leslie, pf-Donatas "Zach Randolph" Motiejunas, Thabeet & Hill
June 9th, 2011
2:18 pm
DET never ran 3 guards in 03-04
…..
“Both Billups and Wallace were 2nd Team All NBA in 06. the hawks currently don’t have THAT on this roster. Detroit was more than a team full of role players. they had clutch, hard-working starts with loads of BBIQ and a coach who understood how to get the best out of them. They also had a GM who understood what level of talent it takes to win championships, because he won one as a player.
I’m a homer, but we are NOT built like Detroit. ”
1stly DET won in 2003-04. They didnt get the 2nd Team Accolades until they had won.
Go back and watch those games. They had Rasheed who was 7 foot matched up with an aging Malone who at that point was putting up Al Horford USG%.
They had Ben guarding Malone and Okur.
They had a 6′9 rangy guy guard Kobe and on the other end made him chase and defend Rip Hamilton.
The Lakers put Rick Fox and Devean George at the SF spot to space the floor.
But Larry Brown saw a weakness. Prince would catch leakouts for his 10 points a game and He would put the 6′7 power forward Corliss Williamson at the 3, next to ultimate garbage man defender Ben Wallace and 7′0 Rasheed Wallace in the post.
Billups had a 16.4 PER and 40mpg in the playoffs. Teague had 17.0, in 30mpg this past playoffs. Yes overall Teague was more productive than Chauncey Billups the year Mr. Big Shot won the title.
Rasheed had 14 points on 4 FGA. How? He wasnt a stationary jump shooter and got fouled using his long arms leverage and back to the basket talent.
Basically Detroit went big and matched up with LA who was built on 2 players & had holes everywhere.
Hinrich outperformed Lindsey Hunter. We are built like Detroit its just we cant figure out if Josh is Ben Wallace or Tayshaun and we keep thinking we need
Al to turn into Amare when all we need is a shot blocker & 7 foot defender and shooter to spread the floor and score in the post.
Asik size and Noah size/speed killed us. Rose’s team has holes in it.
Billups > Fisher
Rip,
………
“MC, just wanted to say thanks for continuing to find interesting topics to write about for the Hawks. I’ll continue to read anything you post, and just glad that there’s still hawk talk for us diehards.”
……..
Astro Joe
June 9th, 2011
2:21 pm
Funny, if Marvin had waited until August/September (like Shaq once did) to get his surgery, folk would have been ticked off. Exactly when would be the best time to get surgery on an ailing back if not during the off-season when you can completely rehab in time to join the pre-camp workouts?
Geemack, like I said earlier, exceeding expectations is success in my book. And for me, I won’t be expecting any trips to The Finals anytime soon (or the ECF for that matter). If I find myself “pleasantly surprised”, then that is good enough for me.
Horford + Sy for Rockets Picks: sg-Travis Leslie, pf-Donatas "Zach Randolph" Motiejunas, Thabeet & Hill
June 9th, 2011
2:23 pm
Wizards, Golden State, Philadelphia, Phoenix
teams that primarily run a 3 guard-level rebounder model
i think we’re trying to become those guys.
Grandad
June 9th, 2011
2:27 pm
northcyde
* I must applaud your 11:18 post.
** Excellent read which I thoroughly enjoyed & ally with.
*** Best post in a long while !
Defensive & Rebounding supestars, I love that model.
I think the city of Atlanta would fall in love with a blue collar team.
Detroit has always been Blue Collar, even when they were
“the Bad Boys” ‘cept for Zeke [SS], they had big time
defenders, rebounders, tough guys & shot-blockers;
Laimbeer, Rodman, Mahorn, Salley, et al.
Another fact;
the earlier Pistons were coached by Daly [-HOF-]
the Detroit model was coached by;
Larry Brown [-future HOF-] def minded coaches
who were fundamentally sound.
[note - I realize the Pistons had Carlisle + Flip also]
Thanks again -nc- for bringing that wonderful fact to everyone’s attn.!
Slimjr
June 9th, 2011
2:28 pm
Labron going for 40 tonight!
Slimjr
June 9th, 2011
2:31 pm
Philly and the Knicks will have better records so expect the Hawk to slip to a 7th seed at best…
Horford + Sy for Rockets Picks: sg-Travis Leslie, pf-Donatas "Zach Randolph" Motiejunas, Thabeet & Hill
June 9th, 2011
2:45 pm
“Magic’s Lakers or Kobe’s Lakers?
We need a HUGE defender and post scorer at C.
We need a HOF or Head Coach Quality PG to be our floor general.
We need 7′ rebounders at SF & PF who can play D & Score.
We could go on and on.”
U know James Worthy was their #1 pick AFTER they won the championship. James Worthy is the reason the draft lottery was implemented iirc.
“Shaq & Kobe – 2 HOF Superstars + role players”
Billups 39%FG%[40mpg] – Teague
Hamilton [37/92 in 5 Finals] – Johnson (44%FG%)
Tayshaun (10ppg)41%FG – Smith 15ppg[40%FG%]
now is Horford the 7 footer who can guard Shaq and get off 23 shots inside out
or is he
the 6′9 super jacked ultimate role player who wont see an All Star game till he’s 30?
Ben Wallace 18 points 22 rebounds in close out game. Now granted this was against Shaq who was slow but come on.
Joe can obviously get up a lot of shots. Smith has proven he can cherry pick in the post ala Corliss/Tayshaun.
Even better he block shots.
Horford has already exceeded Rasheed and Ben Wallace in PER. He’s just not going to defend and rebound like Ben or shoot and alter shots like Rasheed.
Horford will never be the shot blocker we need to be or the scorer. Very very solid player but with him here we need a dominant center defender AND dominant low post scorer.
and our bench is still thin.
Tyrone
June 9th, 2011
2:52 pm
First,
Kameen is the greatest NBA player ever with 6 rings and the most dominate shot in the game’s history. If you were starting a team, Kameen without queston would be the first player selected. Bird, Jordan, Majic, Kobe were all great, but none were the force that Kameen was!!!!!
Now for the Hawks, here are the necessary moves to reach to the ECF and possibly the finals next year.
1. Trade M. Williams, ZaZa (11.9 mil), and the Hawks’ 2nd round pick for C. Kaman(11.8 mil expiring)
Kaman is good for 60-65 games a year and have him ready for the playoffs. The Hawks’ 2nd round pick is the extra payment for his expiring contract. Keep the Pheonix 2nd and select Tech’s Shumbert.
2. Josh Smith loses 15 lbs, gets a personal trainer in order to improve both ball handling and post moves, then he moves to the SF- problelm solved!
3. Horford moves to natural position PF – problem solved!
4. A backup 2 guard is a dime a dozen – sign one!
5. The same is true for backup bigs – sign two!
All the Hawks weaknesses are corrected: Point Guard position, SF, and C. Hopefully, Sund and ASG don’t screw up the selecting of bench players – one or two keys are all that’s needed.
Sund, make the deal for Kaman before Philly!!!!
Horford + Sy for Rockets Picks: sg-Travis Leslie, pf-Donatas "Zach Randolph" Motiejunas, Thabeet & Hill
June 9th, 2011
3:06 pm
Marvin Williams $16 million for two years and a 7.5 mil option for a 3rd year cripples the Clippers.
Clippers are looking for us or the 76ers to slip up and trade u know…a guy who can match up with guys like Lebron and Shawn Marion.
Who does Marv match up with?
drmaryb (*_-)
June 9th, 2011
3:13 pm
Grand Master Flash!
“Grandmaster JeJe
LOL @ Brandon Roy
You cats realize doctors said he has 2 years left, playing 20 minutes EVERY OTHER GAME until his career sadly ends?
June 8th, 2011
9:50 pm
No Thanks. I’d even take Marvin Williams over that…I think”
____________________
Finally! A real blogger with a memory chip lodged firmly in his brain.
Grandmaster JeJe, where do these people come from with these whack trades that make no sense from any angle. Scrolling past all the BS still does require effort in scrolling past a lot of BS! LOL!
Ken Strickland
June 9th, 2011
3:31 pm
The Atlanta Hawks as currently constructed just need more focus and committment to DEF, and an upgrade or two off the bench. There are a number of fans that seem to be concerned about losing the OFF that Jamal brought. But this team would be much better off bringing a guard off the bench that provides less OFF and more DEF any day.
drmaryb (*_-)
June 9th, 2011
3:33 pm
What’s Up! Grand-Daddy? How are you – honey pie?
I’ll holler at you real soon, maybe @ half-time 2-Nite?
Ken Strickland
June 9th, 2011
4:06 pm
The original Detroit Model had 3 combo guards(IThomas, VJohnson & JDumars)who could play solid perimeter DEF, penetrate and shoot. The 2nd Detroit Model had CBillups at PG, and he could shoot, penetrate and play solid DEF. The Hawks have spent the last 3.5yrs trying to duplicate the Detroit Model utilizing a starting and backup a PG(MBibby & JCrawford)that didn’t, or couldn’t, do most of those things, especially the DEF part.
This is the 1st time in well over a decade that the Hawks have put together a roster where 8 of the 9 players under contract have the ability to play good to solid DEF(JJohnson, KHinrich, JTeague, Pape Sy, ZPachulia, MWilliams, JSmith and AHorford). The jury is still out on MRolle, and we can add 2 more to that list if we decide to resign DWilkins and JCollins.
The truth is, we no longer have any players under contract that can be classified as DEF liabilities, especially at the guard position.
tyger
June 9th, 2011
4:18 pm
Detroit Model? Ford Mustang, GM Cadillac or Chrysler 300?
I’m convinced the Hawks are what they are and therefore, the Detroit model is what it is. The Hawks organization is too fragile to tamper with a winning formula (I can’t blame them) and will continue to win 45-50 games and see what happens in the playoffs.
1. JJ on the decline, but still a very good player – 16ppg
2. Horford rising, poor playoffs, but still very young – double double
3. Smoove spasmatic, but you cant teach heart – 14ppg, 2blk, 6 reb.
4. ZaZa rejuvenated under Drew – 6′11, 270 tough guy is a keeper.
The question is how to modify that core?
5. Teague is not the answer, see game 5 – $1.5M
6. Hinrich on the decline – trade bait -$9M
7. Marvin reliable reserve, but trade bait -$8M
8. Hilton Armstrong needs a full season – keeper.
9. Collins is serviceable as long as Howard in East – keeper.
10. Sye needs another full season, looks good from here – keeper.
Modifications:
11. Shelden Williams – stop laughing, Shelden is a fundamentally sound BIG with pedigree. It’s a different time and place, we know and Shelden knows, he won’t be a star, but he damn sure can be a steady backup. Honestly, can Shelden rebound, defend, pass and set solid screens. Of course he can, he dominated the ACC and Hawks can use all the smart BIG hustle guys we can get.
12. AC Law – shut up, again AC knows he is a perennial backup. He has 3-4 years under his belt and knows his role now. Last I saw, AC was a ball control pesky defender with hustle and speed. He’s not the big time, big shot maker from Texas AM anymore. Take the pressure off and let him push Teague.
Back to the trade bait – we’ve got about $18M in tradeable assets. Teague, Marvin, Hinrich wont fetch a king’s ransom, but we don’t need one, it’s the Detroit model, stupid. We need role players, chemistry guys, specialists.
Marvin has more value than being given credit for. He has been in the playoffs every year in the league. When given starter’s minutes he produces more times than not. He’s capable of being a double-double guy, but he’s been injured and inconsistent. He’s a former #2 overall pick w/ pedigree and metrics. Some could view him as a steal, we complain now, but when he’s tearing it up in Boston or LA, dont say $hit.
Someone would love Hinrich’s expiring $9M more than his bad leg and mediocre skill set. Dangle that $9M alongwith Marvin for that stud we need and throw in one hit wonder Teague while he’s hot.
cp
June 9th, 2011
4:18 pm
Gilbert Brown of Pitt will be working out for the Hawks
cp
June 9th, 2011
4:22 pm
So Teague is not the answer because of one game? Using that logic one can say he is the answer because of the ones where he was the leading scorer.
cp
June 9th, 2011
4:26 pm
lol@Teague not the answer but Hilton Armstrong is a keeper. Any post that says Hilton Armstrong is a keeper loses all credibility.
Ken Strickland
June 9th, 2011
4:29 pm
SLIMJR-Your logic is flawed if you think the Hawks will be the only team affected by your prediction of the 76er’s and Knicks winning more gms. Are you saying those additional wins will be against the Hawks and no other teams? In addition to the Knicks and 76er’s, what have the Celtic, Bucks and Magic done to make themselves better?
Having a productive JTeague playing major mins, and KHinrich for an entire season, will definitely make us a whole lot better both offensively and defensively. Teams will no longer be able to consistently take advantage of us whenever they want just by targeting DEF liabilities like MBibby and JCrawford.
It’s funny how you can make such a bold prediction about the 76er’s and Knicks improving without knowing of a single thing they’ve done to trigger that improvement. Yet, you predict doom and gloom for the Hawks, even though you know the Hawks will have a productive PG in JTeague, as well as versatile and productive PG/SG KHinrich for an entire season. Even you, as negative minded as your are, can’t deny we’ll be a much better team defensively.
Horford + Sy for Rockets Picks: sg-Travis Leslie, pf-Donatas "Zach Randolph" Motiejunas, Thabeet & Hill
June 9th, 2011
4:39 pm
^^thank you cp
horford – double double
since when is 10 points and 9 rebounds the detroit model
everyone outperformed their positional counterparts in the 2004 DET model except Horford.
if you bring back Shelden Williams to match up with MIA, NYK, and CHI… well someone would have to be assassinated
Fundamentals
June 9th, 2011
4:42 pm
Kirk is a valuable trade assett and a valuable team assett. He should net us a solid PG/SG this year. Give him a full season with this team and he’ll produce. I don’t see him as injury prone. He was overutilized soon after his arrival and thus he broke down.
Teague – deserves minutes at PG just to speed us up a bit and to provide that penetration our offense desperately needs.
Marvin – good to hear he’s got his back worked on now. He should be ready for camp/lockout in time to hit the ground running. Without Jamal in his way in the 2nd unit, he should have a more defined role and Kirk to get him shots in a designed set.
We need discipline on offense in defined sets so that key players get the right shot. This “motion” crap leaves our players making decisions that all too often are poor ones.
Lack of discipline on offense leads to poor chemistry and resentment on defense leaving us not playing our best on both ends and thus home earlier than our talent level should’ve taken us.
Discipline, Maturity, Heart > Talent, every time.
Horford + Sy for Rockets Picks: sg-Travis Leslie, pf-Donatas "Zach Randolph" Motiejunas, Thabeet & Hill
June 9th, 2011
4:43 pm
Honestly do the Hawks have any incentive to “matchup” with elite frontcourts and aim for a championship?
Fundamentals
June 9th, 2011
4:44 pm
AC/Shelden? Really. Why not bring back Solomon and Royal as well to round out the load of crap you’re selling. Is this Billy Knight? If so how’s Priest Lauderdale and Adam Keefe coming along to fill out the remainder of our 6-7 slots?
Fundamentals
June 9th, 2011
4:45 pm
LD preached discipline, accountability and toughness, but never got it out of our team. Is it LD’s fault, the players, the organization? Who is to blame?
terrell
June 9th, 2011
4:49 pm
Astro, I was just hoping that Marvin was traded before he decided to have the surgery. lol! Teams will shy away EVEN MORE now.
Ken Strickland
June 9th, 2011
4:49 pm
TYGER-I don’t understand your reasoning concerning JJohnson and JSmith. What do you think will happen next season that would cause Josh’s rebounding to drop from a career average of 7.7 to 6? And why do you think his scoring will drop to 14PPG after averaging 16.28PPG over the last 5yrs?
JJ had what could be an off season because of 2 factors.
1-He started the season with an injured elbow that ultimately required surgery.
2-After returning from surgery, and being on fire, teams made a committment to double teaming him, and MBibby producing next to nothing offensively made it very ease to do.
Having Teague and Hinrich will make it a lot harder for teams to be as successful double teaming JJ as they’ve been, especially if he’s moved to SF. You’re going to be very disappointed next season, because the Hawks will end up being a big surprise to almost everyone.
terrell
June 9th, 2011
4:50 pm
Mke that, “INCLUDED” in a trade, before he had the surgery. No way we can get anything for him, if he’s traded alone.
terrell
June 9th, 2011
4:52 pm
Ken, they were a “big suprise” this year. lol. Almost EVERYONE degressed imo.
Fundamentals
June 9th, 2011
4:55 pm
I agree – Joe will be better & healthy next year. The elbow, contract and lack of support hurt him. Kirk & Teague will help immensely if utilized properly, especially if all 3 come in from a good summer w/ no injuries.
Spain
June 9th, 2011
4:56 pm
We have to think in 2012 when HOWARD the best center of the league will be at the free agency.
I think that we have to prepare 2013 in 2011/2012, the year of the lockout, isn’t a year very important.
We have to cheapen the roster:
-Horford / Millsap and some utah draft rounds
-Kirk Hinrich / Mike Miller – Udonis Haslem (we’ve got teague and miami needs a PG)
-Sing this year JJBarea (2.5m?)
-Trade marvin and zaza (i don’t know how, but trade)
So in 2012/2013 we will have:
-Teague: 2.5m
-JJ: 20m
-Smoove: 13m (we can trade him too)
-Millsap: 7m
-DHoward: 18m?
Bench:
Maybe: 2m
-JJBarea: 2m
-Sign JCNavarro from FCBarcelona. He says that if he win the Olympic Games he maybe will return to the NBA. I’m an fcbarcelona fan so i would like to see the captain in atlanta. He’s a very complet SG, the best of the spanish league. And there are a lots of rumors that barcelona want to sing Gran Canaria SG, Jacey Carroll the best SG after navarro in spain, and i think is because they know that navarro want return to USA in 2012.He knows the league and he is very inteligent. I’m convinced that we will win the olympic games
-Mike Miller: 6m
-Udonis Haslem: 4,5m
-Draft picks: 2-3m? i don’t know
So we will have:
Teague-JJ-Smoove-Millsap-Howard: about 60 million
JJBarea-JCNavarro-MikeMiller-UdonisHaslem-draftpicks: about 15-18 million
75-78 MILLION
So we will pay 10-16 million more ( i don’t know if we can have this roster) but we will have a All-NBA, one of the best interior pair (maybe the best with the zach-marc because in 2013 pau gasol will have 33 years), one of the best SG of the league and a allstar. Smoove is a very good defense player and he can improve this year a lot. And the key: Teague. He’s be very cheap and young and if he want he can be in the future an allstar (it’s difficult, but it isn’t imposible). So will have the best center a top 5 of shooting guards, a top 10 of PG, a top 8-10 of PF(in 2013 dirk will have 35 pau gasol will have 33 and garnett and duncan will have 37) and a top ten of SF.
And in the bench we will have an ACB’S MVP! the latest acb’s mvp in the nba were Scola Marc and Splitter (he will be a very important player in SAS, he was the best center in europe last 3 years)
And a lot of reliable players like Mike Miller and Haslem.
With this roster in the east conference we will be one of the three best teams with Miami and Chicago (I also think that Knicks and Wizards will be very goods team). We will maybe have best team that Chicago but than miami it’s difficult…
WITH THIS ROSTER WE WILL GO TO CONFERENCE FINALS
Sorry for my english
,
a young spanish hawks’ fan
2013 HAVE TO BE OUR YEAR!!!
Fundamentals
June 9th, 2011
4:56 pm
Is there anyone on Portland’s roster along with the 21st pick that enable Marvin to go home? Dude needs a real chance with a real role. He’ll never get that here. I honestly do see his skill set, but we’ve proven over and over we can’t develop players or define roles here in ATL. We need “shotmakers” in “motion”…which means CRAP.
Choosen1
June 9th, 2011
5:18 pm
Would anyone mine letting J. Crawford walk and focusing on either one of the SG’s (AA or JRS) from Denver. Either one would be cheaper , we could also insert either one into our Starting 2 shifting JJ to our 3 start Teague at the 1 honestly I would keep Josh and Al as my Bigs but with added size (Another C) at the 5 with Zaza I would love to bring Kirk of the bench as my 6th man a vet with soild D and a steady shooter.
I MUS WRITE
June 9th, 2011
5:26 pm
I ran into Al Thornton in Lennox Mall about an hour ago…Cool guy- He said he just moved here. I hope that meant he will be playing here soon.
AI back to the league?? Well if bibby can start for the Heat then AI at 36 can definitely still play in this league..
Slimjr -Lebron wont go for 40 tonight -he’ll be pressing to hard to shut up the critics,and rumor has it that Rashad Lewis has been dipping off in his woman savannah…… last yr when he found out about his moms and Dalonte he was MIA for rest of the Playoffs-jus say’n
AC Law and Sheldon Williams ???? Boi….Really… C’mon Son
We should try to aquire Jordan Hill from the Rockets ………
Pistons Model Huh?? Not even close…….
Jay Dubu
June 9th, 2011
5:31 pm
JJ has to step his game up, and perform to his contract. That remedies one of the issues for the Hawks.
Josh should be wourking all summer with Dirk Nowitzki’s shooting coach. Don’t know how much can be remedied on this in one summer, but get to it, and let’s find out.
If Marvin comes bame from sugery, he has to perform up to his draft status/contract.
Hopefully the Hawks can find a Big Body that can actually play in the low post for Jamals’ money or some fraction of it.
Too bad Sund overpaid in the Kirk Hinrich trade. Either the #1 pick or Jordan Crawford should still be in Atlanta. There’s no doubt he was fleeced.
JoJo the Godfather
June 9th, 2011
5:40 pm
Now the rumor is that the Hawks are one of the 5 or 6 teams showing sincere interest in Monta Ellis.
We’ve got to be offering Marvin & Hinrich for Ellis & Bell. I don’t consider offering Joe Johnson as “sincere” interest, and offering Josh Smith or Al Horford would be insanity, not sincerity.
Fundamentals
June 9th, 2011
5:51 pm
I mus write – Al Thorton is from Georgia. No surprise he might be around here in the offseason. Perry is only an hour and a half from Lenox.
Dept. of Unintended Irony
June 9th, 2011
5:52 pm
“Kameen is the greatest NBA player ever with 6 rings and the most dominate shot in the game’s history. If you were starting a team, Kameen without queston would be the first player selected.”
Kameen? Really? Try Googling “Kameen” and see what you get.
And BTW, Bill Russell has 11 rings. 5 more than Lou Alcindor. You must be young.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 9th, 2011
5:57 pm
“Does that mean we’re all fools for following a team incapable of winning a title? That we have pinned our hopes on a lemon? It would appear that two-thirds of the NBA teams are lemons as less than 10 have a title banner hanging in their arena. IMO, the best we can hope for is to have our expectations exceeded. ”
I think we’d all be happy if we at least got the sense that the DASG was making a sincere effort to bring a title to Atlanta. I don’t think, for example, that fans of the early-2000s Kings or the Stockton/Malone Jazz are disappointed with the effort their teams made to win titles. But there’s a big difference between doing everything you can to win a title and barely coming up short, and doing nowhere near everything you can to win a title and telling the fans they should be satisfied.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 9th, 2011
5:59 pm
“just saw on ESPN.com that Sixers/Clippers are talking Iguodala/Kaman trade …. if that comes to pass, does that mean LAC’s 2010 1st round pick Al-Farouq Aminu becomes expendable?”
I would think Aminu goes to the Sixers in that trade if it actually happens.
JoJo the Godfather
June 9th, 2011
6:05 pm
If Gilbert Brown can shoot 40% from 3 at NBA range, then I’d be all for him in the 2nd round. He’s a 5th yr senior, plays some D, can rebound, a decent passer, just not athletic enough to create his own shot. Good size for a SG at 6′6″ with a 7-foot wingspan. Sounds a lot like Courtney Lee?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 9th, 2011
6:05 pm
“Kameen is the greatest NBA player ever with 6 rings and the most dominate shot in the game’s history. If you were starting a team, Kameen without queston would be the first player selected.”
Tyrone, has your cousin Boo-Boo put you on to any exclusive trade rumors recently?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 9th, 2011
6:24 pm
Why does the AJC insist on closing comments on these blogs after a few days?