Atlanta Hawks: About that backcourt . . ..
My story the other day included the line: “[P]laying Teague more minutes, especially in combination with Hinrich, would improve the defense.”
If the Hawks started that backcourt next season, it would finally signal they are serious about defense. Teague and Hinrich had developed a good defensive chemistry, with Teague as the relentless ball hound and Hinrich as the tough guy shedding screens and challenging shots. And that alignment moves J.J. to the 3, mitigating two of his main defensive weaknesses: containing quicker opponents and chasing anyone through screens.
Using Teague and Hinrich in combination could have benefits for the offense, too, which presumably means there’s a better chance L.D. would do it. Hinrich is a shot-maker who doesn’t need screens to get good looks. Teague showed against the Bulls that he’s capable of getting into the lane and making runners and floaters or setting up cutting teammates (at least when they did cut–watching Dallas last night reminded me of what that’s supposed to look like).
With Teague and Hinrich handling the ball the majority of the time instead of J.J., the Hawks would have a new, dynamic look (assuming fourth quarters aren’t still allowed to always become Iso-Joe shows). Remember when Teague said this regarding playing alongside Hinrich?
“It’s a lot easier. Defensively, you know he’s going to have your help and I am going to have his back. He’s easy to play with. He passes the ball and gets everybody involved. It makes your job a lot easier when you know a guy is willing to give up the ball. He’s a good player.”
In addition, a starting alignment of Teague-Hinrich-J.J. sends Marvin to the bench, where it’s become increasingly clear he belongs and where he might be a better fit, anyway. But there also is one major problem with using the Teague-Hinrich-J.J. alignment on a regular basis: It sends Marvin to the bench. (It also would leave the bench thin on scoring without Jamal, but that’s a topic for another time.)
Marvin, for all his faults, is a pretty good rebounder–his total rebound rate of 10.1 ranked 21st among small forwards who played at least 10 minutes per game, according to Hoopdata. (EDIT: Marvin bottom five in rebounding-rate differential this season. It could cancel out whatever defensive gains are provided by the Teague-Hinrich backcourt because, as the Hawks saw time and time against the Bulls, good defensive effort can go for naught if the opponent is rebounding too many of its misses.
J.J.’s lack of rebounding production looks worse when you compare his strong, 6-7, 240-plus pound frame to those of some of the better rebounders in the league. Guys like Melo (6-8, 230), Mike Miller (6-8, 220), Q-Rich (6-6, 230), Matt Barnes(6-7, 225), Ronnie Brewer (6-7, 230) and so on lack J.J’s physical gifts but are much better on the boards.
How is it that J.J. could push around J-Rich when he wanted to get to his spots on the floor but J-Rich (6-6, 225) is a much better rebounder?
It takes more than brawn to rebound–instincts, awareness, toughness, technique (blocking out) and persistence are also high on the list of desirable attributes. Plus, a lot of the guys who are good rebounders don’t shoulder nearly the same scoring burden as J.J.
But you’d think a guy with J.J.’s size and strength could be better if he focused on rebounding. He was right when he said the Hawks could use more guys to do the dirty work. It’s also true that the Hawks would be a better team, with a potentially better lineup, if J.J. pitched in on that effort.
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
406 comments Add your comment
KevinM
May 27th, 2011
2:03 pm
How would you rank Dwyer’s Top 10 after the year? There is some shuffling to do:
Dwyer: KevinM:
10-Love 10-Garnett
9-Z BO 9-Al
8-Garnett 8-Duncan
7-Josh 7-Boozer
6-Boozer 6-Aldridge
5-Bosh 5-Bosh
4-Dirk 4-Love
3-Amare 3-Z Bo
2-Duncan 2-Pau
1-Pau 1-Dirk
I want Josh back at the 4 and move Al somewhere else.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 27th, 2011
2:07 pm
I’d be all over that Joe to Chi trade if Deng’s contract didn’t suck.
Ken Strickland
May 27th, 2011
2:10 pm
FUNDAMENTALS-The MOTION OFF is designed to create both player and ball movement, and doesn’t automatically put any particular player in a position to take the final shot. Under Woodson, Bibby, JJ and Jamal have always been allowed and/or encouraged to take control of the ball and the OFF(hence ISO)down the stretch.
I think LDrew, like his predessor MWoodson, wants certain players to be in position to take the final shot down the stretch. So he either directly or indirectly encourages the players he wants to take control(ISO)of the ball and the OFF down the stretch to abandon the MOTION OFF.
We end up taking jumpshots because using ISO’s require our players to clear out to the perimeter, which leaves them with no other option when the ISO fails and the ball is passed out. Teague and Hinrich have the ability to go ISO without having to pound the ball like JJ and Jamal, or the need for clearouts. Their ability to penetrate would definitely ease our dependence on jumpshots.
Therefore, by feeling the need to take control, or wanting to be the hero by taking the final shot, they abandon the MOTION OFF to go ISO, which gives them control of the ball and the OFF. LDrew loves to talk about his beloved MOTION OFF, but when it comes down to it, both he and certain players demonstrate their lack of confidence in it and end up doing the like the Bulls, who turn everything over to one player down the stretch(ISO).
Grandad
May 27th, 2011
2:11 pm
Joe must go.
I loathe Lebron James;
but he plays harder, is more clutch, *is more articulate,
plays better defense, gets more floor burns & loose balls,
chases down run-outs, (-I’ve seen Joe quit on-)
*takes on more responsibility, makes his teammates better,
and appears to have a desire to win much, much more than Joe !
So, if I loathe Lebron, logically,
one’s conclusion is predictable regarding Joe.
* LbJ articulates his message;
sometimes he’s full of crap,
but Joe [faux leader] never says anything…..worthwhile.
I said above:
” Lebron makes his teammates better ”
I do not think I’ve ever heard that said of Joe !
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
2:20 pm
“Well Al and Marvin have been used wrong..Al is a natural PF who at 6ft8 has had to play center and Marvin would be a 20ppg scorer if the Hawks ran plays for him and quit trying to make a star out of Joe Johnson..You have to be tired of watching Joe dribble for 18 seconds then every time down the court!”
Excuses are for the birds
Hawks Franchise= 44 years of FREAKIN EXCUSES!
Marvin and Josh must go yesterday……..And Larry should run not walk
If Marvin averages 20 points per night the Hawks are in the lottery….
Iso needs his side kick in Derrick Williams! Not Marvin Williams……………………….Yawn….
Grandad
May 27th, 2011
2:30 pm
KevinM
Joe to Chicago
—for—
Omer Asik + Deng + # 28
I would do that in a heart-beat !
Maybe even try to flip Deng after the mandatory 60 days
or whatever it becomes after the new CBA ?
@ # 28:
Goudelock
JuJuan Johnson
Shumpert
both UGA kids
Nolan Smith
Vucevic
Jimmy Butler
Some or all of these kids will be there @ 28. -Value-
Fundamentals
May 27th, 2011
2:31 pm
That’s the point Grandad…we need a coach who can implement a system that our kids can handle…or get some in that can. Our lack of real defensive and offensive sets kills us when it matters. Until we have crisp sets from disciplined players we don’t stand a chance.
Miami and Dallas aren’t that good, but that tiny bit of extra polish makes all the difference in the world.
KevinM
May 27th, 2011
2:38 pm
Najeh, Deng’s numbers are very reasonable for what he brings. He doesn’t have to become an all-star, and I am comfortable with him against any other SF. He brings defense to that position and get this, he moves without the ball! I have only seen Damien move without the ball…must be a lost art on LD’s offense.
Speaking of LD: I was just reading about elite PG Marquis Teague at UK this year………his comments about his big bro:
“It was also an exciting month for Teague to see his brother, Jeff, play a featured role as point guard for the Atlanta Hawks in the NBA playoffs.
Jeff Teague, a second-year pro, averaged only 13.8 minutes and 5.2 points per game during the regular season, but those numbers increased to 29.8 minutes and 11.8 points in the postseason as he helped the Hawks reach the Eastern Conference’s second round.
“I was watching every game and was real excited for him,” Marquis Teague said. “I was glad he got to prove he can play on that level. He finally got the opportunity to do that.
“… It was just a matter of time for him to show what he can do.”
Those stats work for me…..Teague for 29-30 min may not even be enough.
The problem is I have zero faith in Larry Drew keeping the momentum moving forward.
superiorblogman
May 27th, 2011
2:38 pm
We need Derrick Williams but Sund and the ASG are lame and horrible.
So, on to #48.
Needs
1.Starting C
2.Quality SF
3.Backup SG
4.3rd String PF
5.3rd string PG
C
Keith Benson and Jeremy Tyler
SF
Justin Holiday, Gary Flowers, Jimmy Butler
SG
Iman Shumpert,Malcolm Lee
PF
Greg Smith, Malcolm Thomas
PG
Shelvin Mack
KevinM
May 27th, 2011
2:49 pm
Grandad if we can’t get 28 from CHI, I might settle for 44….try and get Jeremy Tyler or Greg Smith….I wouldnt’ complain about Cory Joseph either….PG from Texas…well rounded game and 6′3″…
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
2:53 pm
Grandad
May 27th, 2011
2:11 pm
Joe must go.
I loathe Lebron James;
but he plays harder, is more clutch, *is more articulate,
plays better defense, gets more floor burns & loose balls,
chases down run-outs, (-I’ve seen Joe quit on-)
*takes on more responsibility, makes his teammates better,
and appears to have a desire to win much, much more than Joe !
So, if I loathe Lebron, logically,
one’s conclusion is predictable regarding Joe.
* LbJ articulates his message;
sometimes he’s full of crap,
but Joe [faux leader] never says anything…..worthwhile.
I said above:
” Lebron makes his teammates better ”
I do not think I’ve ever heard that said of Joe !
***********************
Grandad . . you and the other people who constantly criticize JJ for his demeanor or lack of leadership, need to decide which Joe Johnson you want.
Do you want the JJ that tries to play like a superstar . . which means that he’ll jack up some bad shots, work out of ISO, and do what he has to do in order to help the team win
Or do you want the JJ that tries to be a team player . . which means that he’ll pass up shots to get others open looks, or guard the PG or SF when our PG or SF can’t guard that guy.
To me, there’s is no in between here. Either you give him superstar responsibilities and live and die with the consequences . . or you tell him to be a complete team player, and live and die with the consequences.
JJ has been called selfish . . even though his shot attempts have dropped 2 full shots a game
JJ has been called a ball hog . . even though he STILL led the team in assists for the 5th time in 6 years
JJ has been called a non-leader . . mainly due to his non-vocal nature on the court, even though the biggest supporter of Teague all year has been JJ
So which JJ do you want? The one that tries to play like a superstar, even if he can’t do it . . or the one that tries to play like a team player, even though his team may suffer if he plays too much team ball?
It’s amazing that Derrick Rose will get credit for taking responsibility for Chicago’s collapse. He missed 20 SHOTS last night and shot 5 – 19 FG after the 1st quarter and missed a FT that could’ve tied the game late ( and possibly had them only needing a 2 to tie the game at the end ).
He BETTER take responsibility for that loss.
Heck . . he was the only one shooting the ball in the 4th quarter. Deng got 1 shot in the 4th, after scoring 18 points in the game.
My main problem with JJ, is that he would’ve gotten nowhere near 29 shots in that game. He would’ve taken 15 shots, while passing to open teammates who missed shot after shot. In my view, he plays way too passive, than aggressive. It’s almost the opposite of what everyone says about him.
So which one you want Grandad? You want the “wannabe” superstar version of JJ . . . or the team ball, “I’ll always pass it to the open man” version of JJ?
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
3:01 pm
Ken Strickland . . . the motion offense here doesn’t work. It hasn’t worked consistently all season, because we don’t have enough guys who can make open jumpshots, nor do we have players who willingly cut to the basket and try to score at the rim.
So some of our more talented scorers simply took matters into their own hands at times. Our offensive efficiency was somehow worse this year, than it was last year. Just about everyone’s numbers, outside of Horford, were down this year. The motion saw less guys scoring in the paint ( outside of JJ ), and more guys jacking up jumpers.
I do agree with you about Drew though. He showed a tendency all year to value offensive players instead of defensive players. His way of staying in a game is not to stop the opponent from scoring, but to keep scoring yourself to stay close.
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
3:09 pm
Larry was a jacked up hire……………………
Fundamentals
May 27th, 2011
3:15 pm
Grandad wants leadership, not whatever that 9 million sentence tirade was about. Take the good shots when available, get your teammates good shots and get in their @$$ when they jack up bad shots. LEADERSHIP!
Fundamentals
May 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
We take things into our own hands and jack jumpers because that’s what’s left when LD’s motion offense stagnates, too many chiefs wanting to be our “shotmaker” instead of set plays.
Surely he knows there’s a diffence between blacktop motion and real organized basketball. Watching it I wonder. A high school playbook could really help this team improve.
Even the guys at Milton pointed it out at the open run. Said they run more structure in the game and practice, why can’t the professionals?
superiorblogman
May 27th, 2011
3:25 pm
We have #48 this year and 2 2nd rd picks next year. At worse they should identify someone in the draft that they are willing to bundle #48 and one of next years 2nd rd picks to move up and take. That’s my problem with this organization, just no creativity or direction.
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
3:34 pm
You want leadership????????????
Dont hire Larry as your HC………………..enough said………
J from the A
May 27th, 2011
3:43 pm
You guys do realize that this draft is so weak that pretty much every player pass the #2 will be a project player. Giving up assets to move up in this draft is almost not worth it, unless you can move up to #1 or #2.
(***Granted some project players are more promising than others, so if the assets are minimal and the movement is significant, maybe it would be worth it. Just don’t expect anyone from this draft outside of #1/#2 to have the ability to meaningfully impact the rotations of any playoff teams.)
(*****Yes, there are often those one or two surprise late picks that end up being solid rotational players for a playoff team in their first season. But any player in this draft outside of the top 2 that ends up being a solid rotational player on a playoff team would by far be the exception, not the rule. The probability of a player being one of these exceptions drops off dramatically outside of the lottery picks.)
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
3:43 pm
Larry really screwed up our drafting situation with Sund’s help of course by giving up on teague and giving away two 1st rd picks for the Heimlich Maneuver who stays hurt like speedy and lue did…
Mo Evans would have been more of an impact player in that Chicago series than 5′6″ Duck!!!
superiorblogman
May 27th, 2011
3:55 pm
There is nothing to realize about the draft being so weak because that is simply an opinion. Kinda like how the experts felt that Marvin was the #2 prospect regardless of who was picking. I think Kyrie Irving and Enes Kanter have more bust potential than star potential. Irving getting hurt and only playing 14 games in which he could not even average a 2 to 1 assist to TO ratio in college is equivalent to Marvin coming off the bench IMO. Too many questions to take #1. Enes Kanter not having played a minute in college, and also depending on who you ask being inconsistent when he came to the US and played high school ball, too many red flags for me.
So, what I am saying is just because you subscribe to the issue of this draft is weak, Irving is #1, Kanter is the best big man prospect, and Derrick Williams is a tweener doesn’t mean I have too, because I think you are just as wrong as the scouts are about Kanter, Irving, and Derrick Williams and don’t forget to add Marvin, Olawakandi, Sam Bowie, Kwame Brown, and on and on to that list. Even, Josh Smith was supposed to be someone that would never amount to anything in the pros.
Simply put this draft is not weak IMO and that counts more than some scout mess that has been wrong more times than I have.
SteveW
May 27th, 2011
4:11 pm
Grandad – You beat me too it!!
I was going to propose this trade (similar to yours):
JJ, Marvin, and Hinrich for Asik, Deng, Brewer, and Watson. I know Hinrich couldn’t go back until after June 30th and I have no idea if the Bulls would want him back.
Then send Josh and Watson to GSW for Lee and Curry if they would do that. And they might.
I know the Bulls want to ditch Deng (it is said repeatedly they do anyway by the talking head class), and GSW wants to get rid of Curry for a “star”.
Do we then re-sign Jamal or get another 2? I don’t know the answer to that.
And the Bulls blew my prediction for me. Up 12 with 3:07 left? Come on, you gotta win that ball game.
Grandad
May 27th, 2011
4:34 pm
SteveW
KevinM beat me to it.
KevinM, I would insist on # 28.
[they also have # 30 and at the very worst, that's as low as I go]
KevinM
May 27th, 2011
4:48 pm
Grandad, spot on, I had no idea they had 30 also?
DAYUMM, they’re about to improve their bench mob even more.
SteveW, and Jerry West wants to do a deal out there as well. I don’t think we have the correct pieces for them. They already have David Lee.
KevinM
May 27th, 2011
4:59 pm
West gave a rebuttal to a reporter about the following:
“• West was affable as always, but seemed to take exception when a local columnist asked him whether his knowledge of today’s NBA was current.
“How current is my knowledge?” he said. “I watch every game. I have people call me. I have agents, I have executives call me all the time asking for opinions. I think I’m well aware what the league is — very well aware.”
I got more out of that comment than what I have gotten out of 3 years from Rick Sund. Sund has to be the most conservative GM there is out there. And yes, too conservative.
With Sund and his most recent comments, here is what I think we might benefit from this offseason..and probably the biggest moves we make as a team:
1) The reintroduction of a one-time amnesty clause….an article worth reading reviewing the potential candidates across the league.
And without a doubt, Marvin is my choice!
2) We will bring in more 1 year players with limited skills, no bad background and just a good group of guys that Larry can throw in there.
Our growth has to come from our bench players. We are going to thin it out again once Jamal is gone.
There are no points sitting on the bench right now as constructed.
In this unsettling offseason, look for the Hawks to stand pat, AGAIN!
Grandad
May 27th, 2011
5:01 pm
Fundamentals
As usual we agree.
To clear up one matter;
I was not brushing off Bosh in my earlier post
although I was being discretionary.
I don’t particularly care for any one of the 3 amigos,
but I have less repugnance for Bosh than the other two.
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
5:17 pm
SteveW . . . that trade would literally hand Chicago the championship, and put us back in the lottery.
Chicago’s lineup
PG – Rose
G – Johnson
F – Marvin
PF – Boozer
C – Noah
So we’ve just upgraded their starting lineup because JJ + Marvin >>> Deng + Bogans. Rose’s double and triple teams disappear with JJ beside him. And there’s no telling what Thibadeau could get out of Marvin defensively
LOL . . so we strengthen Chicago, while making ourselves weaker by trading both JJ and Josh? So that’s the plan? Is this the Hawks starting lineup now?
PG – Curry
G – ( Jamal? )
F – Deng
PF – Lee
C – Horford
That’s our lineup? You think a frontline with Horford and Lee could stop ANYBODY defensively? How about the backcourt? All of our defense would be on the bench. So are you starting some of those guys instead of the better offensive/high priced players?
That Hawk team wouldn’t win 40 games, because they wouldn’t be able to stop anybody.
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
5:19 pm
Or maybe that’s the plan . . . just trade away people to get out from under their salary, and get “lucky” in the lottery.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 27th, 2011
5:19 pm
“Deng’s numbers are very reasonable for what he brings.”
His contract is reasonable for what he brought this year under Thibodeau. Up until this point he has never been nearly as consistent on the defensive end or with his jumper as he was this year. I’d be hesitant to gamble $40 million over the next three years on him sustaining his level of play from this year when he is not in that system.
In any case if the Hawks are going to trade Joe I’d rather get cap space in return so that the Hawks can make a run at Dwight Howard.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 27th, 2011
5:19 pm
^^cap space + young players on rookie contracts
KevinM
May 27th, 2011
5:24 pm
Potential amnesty candidates across the league:
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/05/17/who-would-be-waived-under-amnesty-clause/
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
5:25 pm
Kevin McHale just got hired by the Houston Rockets.
lol . . . ok
KevinM
May 27th, 2011
5:28 pm
“northcyde
May 27th, 2011
5:17 pm
SteveW . . . that trade would literally hand Chicago the championship, and put us back in the lottery.”
So you’re saying the difference is mainly coaching? I dunno, I still haven’t seen much out of Marvin. He has never led any team, and that is what a #2 is supposed to do, at least attempt to.
Marvin is as close to a leader as a Jamarcus Russell as a #1 for the Raiders. Take the money and just cruise along with no conflicts.
You think Elle Duncan reads all the Marvin slams here?
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
5:31 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
May 27th, 2011
5:19 pm
“Deng’s numbers are very reasonable for what he brings.”
His contract is reasonable for what he brought this year under Thibodeau. Up until this point he has never been nearly as consistent on the defensive end or with his jumper as he was this year. I’d be hesitant to gamble $40 million over the next three years on him sustaining his level of play from this year when he is not in that system.
In any case if the Hawks are going to trade Joe I’d rather get cap space in return so that the Hawks can make a run at Dwight Howard.
*********************
Agreed . . . if it’s decided to trade JJ. The players proposed in those trades aren’t going to get us to Eastern Conference Final level any quicker than if JJ were here.
Ish . . just trade him to Boston for Kevin Garnett, and his 21 million expiring contract, if they want to get out of JJ’s contract. Maybe Boston takes the bait.
Granted, that means the Hawks would be out of the mix for at least 3 years
Najeh Davenpoop
May 27th, 2011
5:32 pm
I really, truly will never understand this blog’s infatuation with players on the Warriors. That team sucks year in and year out for a reason. None of their players play D and all of their stats are inflated because of their system. Please for the love of God keep Curry, Ellis, Lee, and Biedrins out of your trade suggestions. They are all worthless and would make this team worse.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 27th, 2011
5:33 pm
Northcyde, not a fan of Kevin McHale as a head coach? He was a horrible GM in Minnesota but I thought he was not bad as a coach there. His record is not great, but then again, he did put together a horrible collection of players who didn’t exactly have a very high ceiling.
ag
May 27th, 2011
5:36 pm
yawn, another day of most of the bloggers playing fanstasy basketball.
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
5:52 pm
Kevin . . . Deng is not better than JJ. Remember, JJ destroyed that dude when Chicago was trying to guard us head up.
And Marvin as a SF is better than Bogans as a SG. So the combination of JJ and Marvin is a talent upgrade over Deng and Bogans. Thibs may make Marvin into a better defensive player, just like he did with Deng. And honestly, that’s all he’d have to do with Marvin . . make him better and tougher defensively.
JJ + Marvin is an upgrade over Deng + Bogans. Honestly, all the Bulls would need to do, is find a center that would play for the MLE. They’d pick up a guy like Samuel Dalembert, who may go to them if he thought Chicago was a legit threat to win it all.
PG – Rose
G – JJ
F – Marvin
PF – Boozer
C – Noah
Bench
G – Hinrich
G – Bogans
F – Korver
F – Gibson
C – Dalembert
That lineup still may not be enough to beat the Heat, but it’s a better lineup than what they put out there this year.
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
5:55 pm
That lineup makes the Bulls a much bigger team as well.
@ Najeh . . . maybe I’m a little hard on McHale, but I don’t like that dude as a coach, and despised him as a GM. He completely messed up the T-Wolves. Hopefully he’ll have NO managerial duties other than coaching while in Houston.
Rusty
May 27th, 2011
6:22 pm
I would take deng over JJ any day. JJ will disrupt your offense with his one on three style of play. I cant stand to see him dribble for 15 seconds & take take bad shots, in the clutch you can never depend on him. Please trade him. This team is doomed with dumb azz Larry at the helm. The team has regressed under him. I never seen one man consistently make bad decisions like he does..
ag
May 27th, 2011
7:19 pm
The grass is always greenier on the othe side.. that is what some of you are saying. Bogins started every game and finished the series with 32 points, Marvin scored 21, and JJ locked Deng down. Deng only scored while Marvin checked him. That trade will set the Hawks back.
I don’t mind going backward if it means going forward if we dump the contract. The trade for Garnett would be good, or even for a high draft pick and get D. Williams on a rookie contract.
superiorblogman
May 27th, 2011
7:27 pm
ag
May 27th, 2011
5:36 pm
yawn, another day of most of the bloggers playing fanstasy basketball.
Well do us all a favor and comeback once the season starts after the lockout. You go to a crackhouse you see people doing crack. Come to a Hawks blog and until we win championship people will offer there opinions on how to get there.
doc
May 27th, 2011
7:30 pm
diarrhea runs gd, constipation doesnt. very bad analogy.
SteveW
May 27th, 2011
7:36 pm
Northcyde
First of all, I like JJ. That’s just a trade for all the folks that want out of JJ’s 5 year 107 mill contract he has remaining.
Secondly, I think your forgetting a bench of Teague, ZaZa, Brewer, and Asik.
And we finally have 2 PG’s and a C.
I think we would be tough to beat.
But no, I’m not in love with Lee myself. But to ditch a contract, you gotta take a contract. And Lee is younger than JJ, with less of a contract.
Najeh – And I don’t like GSW too much myself either. But I do think Curry has a future – 44% from 3 point land or something? In LD’s motion O? Sounds good to me.
But I’m not against trying to upgrade the “core”.
SteveW
May 27th, 2011
7:43 pm
Northcyde – I don’t think the Bulls are going to be paying the MLE any time soon, at least according to reports.
They already have 3, double figure per annum contracts in Noah, Boozer, and Deng. And that’s before they have to pay MVP.
And Reisendorff is a notorious cheapskate.
And if Josh or Al won’t get inside, at least with Lee we would have 1 guy that would get inside, and have Asik and ZaZa off the bench, as well as Teague and Brewer, and who know’s who else.
A Frontcourt of Deng, Lee, and Horford with a bench of ZaZa and Asik is not bad.
A backcourt rotation of Curry, Teague, and Brewer is not to bad either.
SteveW
May 27th, 2011
7:47 pm
There are alot of FA SG’s available this season also, who knows what you may get for the vet Min. or the Two year exception – if those things still exist in the new CBA.
SteveW
May 27th, 2011
7:52 pm
And with LD as HC, I think we’re in the lottery anyway next season in all probability.
Let’s see coming back we have Teague, Hinrich, JJ – Good BC
Marvin – Uh
Josh, Al, ZaZa – Good FC.
Maybe LD learned during the season, i dunno – but it looks like lottery from here – look at the regular season record once Woody’s discipline wore off – we were a lottery team the last 30+ games of the season.
Simjr
May 27th, 2011
7:54 pm
“This team is doomed with dumb azz Larry at the helm”
@Rusty I could not have said it better!!
We are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simjr
May 27th, 2011
8:02 pm
Kevin McHale= Wade Phillips, Houstons going down, and down, and down. Blah,Blah,Blah….
SteveW
May 27th, 2011
8:06 pm
Didn’t we go like 16-23 in our last 39 games?
Didn’t we got outscored by 4.77 PPg in the last 39 games?
Didn’t we have record losses by record margins?
That – 4.77 in the last 39 games is worse than lottery teams, La Clips, Detroit, Charlotte, GSW and 3 more lottery teams.
I’m just a proactive kinda guy, but steady on the trigger.
I guess Al will get softer, Josh will shoot more J’s, JJ will get older, we lose Jamal probably, watch Marvin fail some more and have a head case as a Head Coach.
If that’s you guys idea of progress, go for it.
SteveW
May 27th, 2011
8:13 pm
Let’s see if we just do the 1st trade without the 2nd – JJ and Marvin for Deng, Brewer, Asik, and Watson. Our;
PG – Teague/Watson – I like that
SG – Hinrich/Brewer – OK
SF – Deng/Wilkins/maybe Sy at 2/3 – I like that
PF – Josh/Asik – I like that
C – Al/ZaZa – That’s OK also
That’s not a bad team, and you got rid of maybe the 2 worst contracts on the team, got younger, got more depth.
A front court of Deng, Josh, and Al I can live with, with a bench of Asik and ZaZa
Backcourt sure doesn’t look as good without JJ, but we are 4 deep legitimately.