Atlanta Hawks: About that backcourt . . ..
My story the other day included the line: “[P]laying Teague more minutes, especially in combination with Hinrich, would improve the defense.”
If the Hawks started that backcourt next season, it would finally signal they are serious about defense. Teague and Hinrich had developed a good defensive chemistry, with Teague as the relentless ball hound and Hinrich as the tough guy shedding screens and challenging shots. And that alignment moves J.J. to the 3, mitigating two of his main defensive weaknesses: containing quicker opponents and chasing anyone through screens.
Using Teague and Hinrich in combination could have benefits for the offense, too, which presumably means there’s a better chance L.D. would do it. Hinrich is a shot-maker who doesn’t need screens to get good looks. Teague showed against the Bulls that he’s capable of getting into the lane and making runners and floaters or setting up cutting teammates (at least when they did cut–watching Dallas last night reminded me of what that’s supposed to look like).
With Teague and Hinrich handling the ball the majority of the time instead of J.J., the Hawks would have a new, dynamic look (assuming fourth quarters aren’t still allowed to always become Iso-Joe shows). Remember when Teague said this regarding playing alongside Hinrich?
“It’s a lot easier. Defensively, you know he’s going to have your help and I am going to have his back. He’s easy to play with. He passes the ball and gets everybody involved. It makes your job a lot easier when you know a guy is willing to give up the ball. He’s a good player.”
In addition, a starting alignment of Teague-Hinrich-J.J. sends Marvin to the bench, where it’s become increasingly clear he belongs and where he might be a better fit, anyway. But there also is one major problem with using the Teague-Hinrich-J.J. alignment on a regular basis: It sends Marvin to the bench. (It also would leave the bench thin on scoring without Jamal, but that’s a topic for another time.)
Marvin, for all his faults, is a pretty good rebounder–his total rebound rate of 10.1 ranked 21st among small forwards who played at least 10 minutes per game, according to Hoopdata. (EDIT: Marvin bottom five in rebounding-rate differential this season. It could cancel out whatever defensive gains are provided by the Teague-Hinrich backcourt because, as the Hawks saw time and time against the Bulls, good defensive effort can go for naught if the opponent is rebounding too many of its misses.
J.J.’s lack of rebounding production looks worse when you compare his strong, 6-7, 240-plus pound frame to those of some of the better rebounders in the league. Guys like Melo (6-8, 230), Mike Miller (6-8, 220), Q-Rich (6-6, 230), Matt Barnes(6-7, 225), Ronnie Brewer (6-7, 230) and so on lack J.J’s physical gifts but are much better on the boards.
How is it that J.J. could push around J-Rich when he wanted to get to his spots on the floor but J-Rich (6-6, 225) is a much better rebounder?
It takes more than brawn to rebound–instincts, awareness, toughness, technique (blocking out) and persistence are also high on the list of desirable attributes. Plus, a lot of the guys who are good rebounders don’t shoulder nearly the same scoring burden as J.J.
But you’d think a guy with J.J.’s size and strength could be better if he focused on rebounding. He was right when he said the Hawks could use more guys to do the dirty work. It’s also true that the Hawks would be a better team, with a potentially better lineup, if J.J. pitched in on that effort.
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Fundamentals
May 26th, 2011
3:28 pm
I bet Teague outrebounds Joe and Marvin next year easily with more playing time.
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2011
3:31 pm
Rebounds are easier to come by if you know who is shooting, when they are shooting and from where. LD’s motion doesn’t allow for predictable sets. Yes that can throw off the defense, but it also impacts rebounding. If we knew the play, we’d know when to box and crash as a unit…and thus improve our rebounding on the offensive end.
We lack rebounding on defense because we’re still switching and helping instead of boxing out and holding our man accountable. We need a new Tree to plant in the paint. That’s solve the leadership, chemistry and defensive problems we’re seeing today.
Grandad
May 26th, 2011
4:00 pm
I think I’m agreeing with *northcyde:
* Three guard line-up or Joe at the [3].
We need to get Bigger not smaller.
I don’t know exactly how much it has been discussed
on this board, but [..Mr Shultz's trade scenario..]
which I’ve noticed on a half dozen other sites,
(it did not originate with him)
Josh & Cap’n Kirk to LAL;
for Bynum & Artest…I’m all over that one !!!
If we could get Bynum, knee and all, I’m in.
I would hate like the dickens to give up Kirk, but,
Bynum is a once in a lifetime opportunity at a center !
northcyde
May 26th, 2011
4:07 pm
And honestly, I think you guys are CRAZY for putting some hope in Pape Sy, a very late 2nd round pick that Sund found overseas, that didn’t even start on his team over there. We’ve only seen Sy in spot minutes in garbage time against garbage players. Can he really be a regular rotation type player that gives you timely minutes?
Is he really better than what Mario West?
It’s absolutely disheartening that Sund doesn’t have the evaluation skills to get us decent role players here. Bringing back guys like Collins and Damien is an almost absolute FAIL for this team, because on a game by game basis, those guys just aren’t good enough. They wouldn’t play on ANY of the Conference Finals teams. They wouldn’t play in Boston . . or LA . . or San Antonio . . or even Memphis. But we’re forced to look at these guys to contribute?
Sickening.
LOL . . and we trade away the one kid that MIGHT develop into a decent bench player for a guy who stays injured and may not have over a year anyway ( talking about Jordan Crawford and Kirk Hinrich ).
The ASG and Sund MUST get their act together, if we’re to get to that next level.
They need to properly identify what this team needs, and get those players in here.
brigadierjerry
May 26th, 2011
4:53 pm
northclyde,
you make some good points and i agree with you. In your belief do you think there is a chance either jj horford or smith gets traded?Again depends on what CBA looks like. Also considering the Heat and the Bulls will be battling the next 5 years. Knicks Sixers, Pacers Nets will be better, Orlando who knows Boston still will be decent, where do you see the Hawks in this mix as a team?
brigadierjerry
May 26th, 2011
5:00 pm
Grandad,
Bynum is intriguing but the Lakers already stated that he is untouchable. Also Bynum reminds me of Sam Bowie who got maligned for being drafted before MJ but he was actually a solid player for his career. Problem was he was hurt all the time.
Also I wouldnt want Artest on this team. He needs a strong influence and there would be no one on ATlanta that could fill that void.
Booo!
May 26th, 2011
5:39 pm
“After 2008 Horford was never invited back to Team USA, guess who was? ”
@MilwaukeeHawksFan
Horford was Born and raised in the Dominican Republic he was there until the age of fourteen. He plays on their National team every summer along with Charlie Villanueva and Francisco Garcia. Al was on the USA “Select” Squad which was and is baisically a group of young up and coming players who schrimmage against the True Olympic squad (Kobe, Lebron, Dwight etc.) in order to get them prepared for the Games (Ex. Beijing).
And as much as I love josh, he flamed out in his Team USA tryout and wasn’t called back. Horford actually would have had sorry arse Carlos Boozers spot on the 08′ team but decided to stay true to his roots and play for his home country. If I was al I wouldn’t have done it. LOL Then again, i’m not from the Dom Rep.
sam'l
May 26th, 2011
6:01 pm
Obvious that the Hawks could have beaten Chicago…..had they held their cool in the fifth game. Then, we wouldn’t have been talking trades and what ifs. We;d be talking finals and about what a dip Wade really is. and making fun of Spoelstra and LeBron reading the Art of War……
LA Lakers
May 26th, 2011
6:21 pm
come to a real organization Smith. we’ll get you into shape and let you be our Shawn Marion.
Bynum can go back to cutting practice to eat fruit loops. Maybe he finally grows up in…o wait where’s he going lol
Clippers East.
LA Lakers
May 26th, 2011
6:25 pm
Hawks could have beaten Chicago if Jason Collins wasn’t their starting center and Horford could actually play in the post lol. At least Smith looked out of shape. Horford gets any bigger he’ll be a slug. Never could figure why 14 and 9 makes you an all star. crazy
Jason
May 26th, 2011
6:51 pm
If we are stupid enough to end up with the line that most of you guys crave..Teague/Hinrich……please bring your pillows and blankets, to the Hawks games! how boring can you get! JSmoove is the most exciting player we have had in years, and you guys are talking about him leaving! I would dump the bench, and pay Crawford whatever it took for him to stay! Enough already with the Man crushes with Teague/Hinrich, you guys are just slobbering all over them because they are soo non threatening, but be careful what you ask for! !!! to be continued…
sam'l
May 26th, 2011
7:21 pm
No, “LA Lakers”. Hawks could have beaten Chicago because the series was tied 2-2 and they were ahead relatively late in the fifth game before they folded. So, regardless of your opinion of Jason Collins and Horford, the Hawks had outplayed Chicago to that point.
I really suspect Atlanta was the better team overall.
As to trades (which wouldn’t be discussed if we had won a winnable series):
Smith is obviously an exciting player and when he plays smart he is an asset. But unbelievably, he continues to play stupid in critical situations. Get someone who is emotionally stable.
Pachulia is a banger and a fighter. But he is clumsy, can’t hold onto the ball in a crowd, and is unnecessarily rough when his skills don’t measure up. He doesn’t understand the game. Please get rid of him.
Williams…obviously doesn’t care about improving…..Goner. I suspect (like Bibby) if Williams goes somwhere where the fans, ownership and coaches are all in synch, he will be compete again (like Bibby).
Crawford 1 and 2……Here we may have had the foundation for a ballclub…….but let that slip through our fingers because………lack of skills in evaluating players (?), ownership wants out (?)…..who knows. Jamal is obviously talented but also obviously moody…..I personally would have signed him quickly in accordance with his talent.
Josh for a center…….Bynum or Gasol ?……in a heartbeat…..but that’s a dream. Hawks don’t seem to be in the pipeline for deals with established clubs……just not respected I guess.
Sorry, I’m not in a good mood….we should still be playing against Miami with the same lineup everyone is trying to change.
ant banks
May 26th, 2011
7:24 pm
SAM’L,
i am glad that we lost to chicago. miami woulda embarrased us ROYALLY. plus we have no heart and miami has ton of it. so i am okay wit’ how the season ended for us. we weren’t embarressed this year in playoffs.
sam'l
May 26th, 2011
7:28 pm
Oh, I missed Teague…..he is to be congratulated for his series against Chicago…….but not congratulated for being anywhere close to a situation where he could be accused of sexual assault. I personally do not know Teague so I have no opinion on his character either way except that he appeared to be unfocused for long periods of time..
The question of Teague……why won’t he play…..why can’t he concentrate….why can’t he develop…..may be answered if we consider he (and maybe coaching and management) was probably freaked out of his mind by the possibility of formal charges.
This is a logical answer to the Teague mystery.
Too bad…..may have cost us the season.. .
sam'l
May 26th, 2011
7:30 pm
ant banks…you make sense…..
Najeh Davenpoop
May 26th, 2011
7:42 pm
“i am glad that we lost to chicago. miami woulda embarrased us ROYALLY. ”
I would rather get embarrassed in the conference finals than not be in the conference finals at all, hands down. Especially considering that our beloved Hawks have never gotten that far in their entire existence in this city.
The Real Mandingo
May 26th, 2011
8:39 pm
By the Numbers -
In the 2010-2011 Playoffs:
When Jamal Crawford scored 19 points or more, the Hawks’ record was 5-1 (five wins, one loss).
When Joe Johnson scored 20 points or more, the Hawks’ record was 6-0 (six wins, no losses).
Conversely, when Jeff Teague scored 20 points or more, the Hawks’ record was 0-3 (no wins, three losses). In defense of Teague, he did lead the Hawks in scoring (24 points) in a home game against the Trailblazers during the regular season which the Hawks won.
Since I believe Hawks’ mgmt. will not make any major personnel changes during the offseason, I hope the Hawks consider the following starting lineup for the upcoming 2011-2012 season:
Jeff Teague – PG
Jamal Crawford – SG/PG
Joe Johnson – SG/SF
Josh Smith – PF/SF
Al Horford – C/PF
I feel Jeff Teague’s role for the Hawks should be similar to Rajon Rondo’s role for the Celtics. Teague should be the spoon or straw that stirs the drink. I would like to see Teague play as a distributor and faciliator. Starting Teague at the point guard position allows Teague to get more accustomed to playing with Jamal and Joe simultaneously which should develop better backcourt chemistry and overall team chemistry. This lineup change makes Kirk Hinrich the new 6th man. Kirk Hinrich is a mature veteran whose character and flexibility allows him to adapt to this new situation.
As a result, I hope to envision the bench as follows:
Kirk Hinrich – PG/SF; 6th man
Zaza Pachulia – C/PF
Marvin Williams – SF/PF
Damien Wilkens – SF/SG
Pape Sy – SF/SG
Jason Collins – C
Hopefully, the Hawks will look to acquire one or more big men such as a “project big” like Hasheem Thabeet who will undoubtedly be a “big project.”
Please be aware of any organization’s use of subtlety. I feel Jamal Crawford will more than likely be re-signed. The Bibby-Hinrich trade was primarily executed to upgrade the point guard position at that time and secondarily to free up (salary) monies to re-sign Jamal Crawford as Mike “Stinger” Glenn alluded on “Hawks Live! Pregame” shortly after the trade was performed. The Atlanta Hawks official website currently features four players on the left and right of the screen – Joe Johson and Al Horford or Jamal Crawford and Josh Smith. (You will have to refresh the Hawks’ official website main page to see all four players.) I believe these four featured players are the Hawks’ “Core Four”- that is the use of subtlety to which I am referring.
Gerald Wallace for Pryzbilla
May 26th, 2011
9:32 pm
Hasheem Thabeet? via trade?
Grandad
May 26th, 2011
9:40 pm
Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Bynum is untouchable.
Jim Buss (son of Jerry, brother of Jenny sp.) is supposed
to have discovered Bynum. Therefore AB is his guy.
Also Mike Brown is his hire !
He has hitched his horse to those two and with them…..
the Lakers immediate future…Brown / Bynum.
I could at least muse for about 24 hours about the
possibility of having a legit Big !
Now back to researching ways for Sund to find…
a bona fide Center ?
Grandad
May 26th, 2011
9:43 pm
brigadierjerry
Yes, I saw where you mentioned it as well.
[...Bynum...^...above...^...]
O'Brien
May 26th, 2011
9:56 pm
northcyde,
2 questions. Assuming the Hawks do not go to the 3-guard lineup:
1) would you start Kirk or Teague at PG? Or would you let them have a competition in training camp and preseason?
2) Who would you start at Center and SF?
O'Brien
May 26th, 2011
9:57 pm
I think the Lakers will hang onto Bynum, especially since there is a possibility that Howard becomes available.
O'Brien
May 26th, 2011
10:44 pm
We saw Kurt Thomas make Al’s life difficult in the playoff against the Bucks. And then we decide to sign Josh Powell and Etan Thomas in FA.
Bulls sign Kurt Thomas, and he is giving them good minutes in tonight’s game. I think one reason why he signed with the Bulls is they gave him a 2 year at a little more than the vet min. but Rick’s history suggests that he only does one year vet min deals.
I think we could have used Kurt Thomas.
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2011
10:44 pm
I agree that Bynum won’t move till Dwight is headed to LA.
How is it that Boozer was a big time signing and big deal when Chicago was winning, but once they have trouble Rose is “all alone”.
Chicago shows the same lack of confidence and lack of penetration just like the Hawks. They’ll lose in 6 to a team they could beat..if not tonight in 5.
Fundamentals
May 26th, 2011
10:45 pm
Kurt is suprising. So crisp, so focussed every year when it counts.
doc
May 26th, 2011
10:55 pm
no reason kurt hasnt been here for the last five years with our undersized and out numbered bigs. really sad he has not been here.
sweet ronnie brewer.
Melvin
May 26th, 2011
11:07 pm
These Refs are trying their best to give the Miami this game.
hawksfancents95
May 26th, 2011
11:32 pm
i am not watching one single game of this miami v dallas series. i swear stern is in these refs ears to do whatever they can to push miami forward. miami is a great team and its not all refs but when things arent goin miamis way it seems a whistle will be blown to slow momentum and give miami a break. stern only wants big name teams in the finals to maximize ratings. stern=BCS, meaning only the big football schools/big market NBA teams will be playing when people who dont usually watch, tune in. he thinks that will get more attention than say a Minnesota Twolves vs Milwaukee BUcks finals would. so until the Hawks draft a rookie that becomes a universal fan favorite and sells jerseys worldwide we cant expect to get to the finals or any ref help. stern sucks period
Najeh Davenpoop
May 27th, 2011
12:05 am
Refs or no, that comeback was incredible. The Heat remain my least favorite NBA team, but they deserve credit for (so far) living up to the self-generated hype.
Go Mavs.
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
12:27 am
Wade= special
ISO= not
Wade has his Batman(Lebron)
ISO= not
Tonight again proves why you need specially gifted players to win the money games!!!
Atlanta has got to enter the draft and pick up the rookie of the year, 2012 and future Allstar as the #2 lottery pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With the 2011 #2 lottery pick the Atlanta Hawks choose rookie of the year 2012 and Allstar sensation playing the critical SF position averaging 15-23 pts. per game along with 8-10 rebounds, Derrick Williams!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make it so……AYE Captain…
Josh and Marvin to Minnesota for the #2 Lottery Pick!!!!!!!!
Sund, do something you’ve never done in your average career of 31 uneventful years….
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
12:30 am
Sund+ Larry= 38 wins in 2012…..
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
12:35 am
The Atlanta Hawks are truly a Lousy organization…………………………………………………..
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
1:31 am
drmaryb
This link is for you..Enjoy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63lhtx2q8o&feature=related
The Real Mandingo
May 27th, 2011
1:46 am
^^^that should be “… I would like to see Teague play as a distributor and ‘facili[t]ator’ [sic].”
northcyde
May 27th, 2011
2:25 am
O’Brien
May 26th, 2011
9:56 pm
northcyde,
2 questions. Assuming the Hawks do not go to the 3-guard lineup:
1) would you start Kirk or Teague at PG? Or would you let them have a competition in training camp and preseason?
2) Who would you start at Center and SF?
*********************
Start Teague at PG no matter what. We need to see if he can duplicate what he did in the playoffs by playing with our best players.
Start Smith at SF, but almost forbid him to shoot 3s. Matter of fact, play him on the low block and along the baseline, while Horford plays PF in the high post.
Start Zaza at C, since he’s going to be the only one to battle on the offensive glass.
All of this is assuming that we don’t do anything significant free agent wise in which a player we brought in could replace a starter.
Pull Zaza after the 6 minute mark, slide Smith to PF, Horford to C, and insert Marvin into the game. Or pull Teague at the 6 minute mark, and play Hinrich at PG.
Grandad
May 27th, 2011
2:38 am
I think the Heat are the most opprobrious, yea, vituperative team
of all time. Bathed in ignominy and awash with agrandizement
and showered by hyperbole fr om espn then, yes,
propped up by the nefarious little napoleonic shyster, Stern.
—But—
Other than the 3rd qtr, when Myame scored 9 staight
[all free throws] 1 flagrant, 1 tech, 1 bogus trav call on Chi,
plus a dis-regarded double dribble, [on the Heat]
all coming at the end of the 3rd, the officials let them play.
I admit that was alot.
—But—
Once again;
Chi had a commanding lead [..Late..] and Myame went on a…..
what ? 18 – 3 run, to win the game.
For as repugnant as I think [..mostly LbJ..] they are.
I must give them a vast amount of credit for that 4th qtr.
It was splendid !
Grandad
May 27th, 2011
2:52 am
* fr om – that’s Southern Azerbaijani for;
* from;
means the same thang:
to specify whence one came.
I don’t speak reglar Azerbaijani;
that’s why fr om is “southern”
I only speak with a southern accent.
Reglar Azerbaijani would be – f ` rom
spoken like a yankee.
G`nite.
JerryWest
May 27th, 2011
3:09 am
MC,
Please do an article on who is responsible for each of the bad draft pick in the last 8 years.
terrell
May 27th, 2011
7:13 am
Better go after Dwight, or the Eastern Conference is a rap for the next few years. The big 2 and half will only get better. Plus they’ll attract all of the vet FA’s. Better make it happen Sund(somehow).
Horford/HinrichMarvin/two future 1sts for D12(s&t) and whoever.
Take back a bad contract, if you have to.
terrell
May 27th, 2011
7:31 am
Here’s 4 reasons why the Hawks havent been very good as of late.:
1.Josh Childress at #6 overall
2.Marvin Williams at #2 overall
3.Sheldon Williams at #5 overall
4.Acie Law at # 11 overall
Talking bout crippling a franchise.
BK musta been on them rocks.
terrell
May 27th, 2011
7:32 am
Meant to say BK and Woody. Cant put it all on Billy.
O'Brien
May 27th, 2011
7:37 am
First OKC, and Now Chicago. It sucks watching these teams crumble under pressure.
And although I am not a LeBrat fan, dude has made some great plays this postseason, first against Boston, and now against Miami, offensively and defensively. I hope our players realize the importance of playing defense.
And although I am not a Miami fan, congrats to Bibby, who makes it to the NBA finals and gets a chance at a ring. That being said, Go Mavs
terrell
May 27th, 2011
7:53 am
Obrien. first it was the Hawks, then OKC, and then Chicago.
O'Brien
May 27th, 2011
8:17 am
Northcyde,
Although 5 games in the playoffs are not enough of a sample size to earn the starting spot, I agree with starting Teague. This past season, he has looked better playing with the starters than he does playing with the bench, whereas I think Hinrich will do what he does as a starter or a reserve.
And bringing Hinrich off the bench provides more flexibility, because you can bring him in for Teague, or you can bring him in at SG and slide JJ to SF. And if Teague can continue to attack the rim and make his floater, while improving his jumper, he will give the team the speed it needs on offense.
I am open to ZaZa starting at Center. However, Rick will have to bring in at least one more legit backup Center who is willing to bang. As AJ points out, when ZaZa plays physical, he might called for 2 quick fouls, and with LD’s 2 foul rule, the Hawks will need options.
JoJo the Godfather
May 27th, 2011
8:33 am
What’s the deal with this Greg Smith out of Fresno State? Supposedly has the biggest hands to ever come through the draft. He’s only 20, and has really been working since his college season was over. Any chance we take a 6′10″ PF/C in the 2nd rd? I guess other possibiities with similar size are the kid from USC and Macklin from Florida (a little older, not a great rebounder).
If it’s me, picking that late in the 2nd, I’d have a hard time passing up Isaiah Thomas (and I’m pretty sure he’ll be available). 5′10″ with a 40″ vertical, quick, and will be playing with a chip on his shoulder. He’s a leader and a scorer that worked hard on his assists this year (6+ per game), and IMO, could do a good job as our 3rd string PG, which we’ll need given Hinrich & Teague’s history with nagging injuries. Those two are always nursing a bad ankle, or calf, or hamstring, or wrist…
A Pape Sy-clone in Jereme Richmond out of Illinois should be available as well. Young, needs to work on his shot, and needs to add some strength (couldn’t do one rep in the bench press), but extremely quick and athletic.
Trojan
May 27th, 2011
8:33 am
I would even settle for small changes such as trading Marvin for Haywood from Dallas and getting a sharp shooting small forward for the bench.
I would start Teague, Kirk, JJ, Josh and Al.
Bench: Pape, Wilkins, Shooter SF, Zaza and Branden Haywood.
Lots of flexibility and defense.
JoJo the Godfather
May 27th, 2011
9:04 am
If Miami is looking for a PG when the season is over, would you trade Hinrich for Mike Miller, Dexter Pittman, and the 31st pick in the draft (1st pick in 2nd rd)? Miami would do that trade I think as Hinrich would be a good fit for them to defend the big PG’s in the east. The 31st pick and our 2012 1st rounder could possibly be enough to trade into the middle of the 1st round in this year’s weak draft (if there’s a guy there that the Hawks really like). Or we could take the Brazilian Nogueira with the 31st and let him come over in a year or two. Maybe that’s the only way we ever get an impact center.
Hawks get their shooter off the bench in Miller, a young center in Pittman that most of us wanted in last year’s 2nd round, and the 31st pick. Maybe we wouldn’t sell the pick for $3M this year.
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
9:44 am
“Here’s 4 reasons why the Hawks havent been very good as of late.:
1.Josh Childress at #6 overall
2.Marvin Williams at #2 overall
3.Sheldon Williams at #5 overall
4.Acie Law at # 11 overall
Talking bout crippling a franchise.
BK musta been on them rocks”.
Billy Knight was an arrogant prideful idiot! Those types come in all colors, shapes, and sizes…
Slimjr
May 27th, 2011
9:50 am
If the BK had drafted CP3, Andre, and Rudy, the Hawks would be in a Finals by now
KevinM
May 27th, 2011
9:51 am
Let’s shake this thing up and see what we can get for all-star Joe:
Joe to Chi
Deng,Asik, #1 (pick 28 overall) to Atl
The Bulls need a shooter real bad.