Atlanta Hawks: Status quo as CBA sorted out

Sorry for the lack of posts the last couple days, blog people. I’ve been laid up sick after I made a major miscalculation and didn’t initiate my proven NyQuil Strategy at the first sign of trouble.

The Hawks had some meetings before Rick Sund headed off for Chicago but they weren’t detailed discussions about the team’s direction. The Hawks essentially are on the sidelines waiting to see what happens with the CBA. It’s hard for them to make plans that could become moot under the new rules.

ASG’s talks with a potential buyer for the team don’t seem to be affecting the basketball operations side of the organization. The key line in the story by the AJC’s Tim Tucker’s: “[A] deal is not close and that it’s far from assured one will get done.”

So it’s business as usual for the Hawks–or at least it would be if not for the uncertainty about the CBA. I wish I had more for you but everything is pretty much on hold right now.

In the meantime here are links to stories from the last couple days so you can tell me why I’m wrong:

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Buddy Grizzard

May 19th, 2011
7:55 pm

The Rick Sund Glue Factory Committee would like to commend the Atlanta Hawks organization for providing the Old Horse a one-year contract extension per our recommendation. The Committee recognizes that Sund has put the Hawks in the best possible position to win next year on the basis of talent acquired, having retained Joe Johnson, drafted Jeff Teague and traded for Kirk Hinrich.

The Committee fully expects that Sund will, if necessary, continue to save Las Vegas Lame Duck Larry Drew by declining to resign Josh Powell, widely regarded as the worst player in the NBA, and declining to extend a washed-up Jamal Crawford.

The Committee further recommends that the Hawks Organization now take the opportunity to sh1t can Lame Duck and hire Dwayne Casey, the Old Horse’s original preference. Lame Duck Larry has demonstrated in front of a national TV audience that he is such a pathetic excuse for a coach that he can’t even properly employ ECF-level talent when provided with it.

To wit: Josh Powell first big man off the bench? All-NBA Al sat for an entire half of a playoff game with Sund’s and Lame Duck’s jobs on the line? Starting Jason Collins against CHI’s fast, athletic big men? Subbing out Teague in Game 6 to let Jamal Crawford run point and put the Hawks in an insurmountable double-digit first quarter deficit? Leaving Jamal Crawford in for the entire fourth quarter on a 1-for-9 shooting night while Zaza, with the best +/- of any Hawk in the playoffs, sits the entire 4th?

The committee considers the case against Hollinger, Bradley and Big Ray-endorsed Las Vegas Lame Duck Larry Drew to be open and shut. Having locked the Hawks into the current personnel for the foreseeable future, the only additional move Sund can make at this point to improve the team would be to fire Lame Duck and sign an actual, professional-level NBA head coach.

Buddy Grizzard

May 19th, 2011
8:04 pm

Meant to say “continue to save Las Vegas Lame Duck Larry Drew FROM HIMSELF…” as per Sund’s trade of Bibby for addition by subtraction, since Drew would have started Bibby all the way to a first round exit if the Hawks made it that far.

Buddy Grizzard

May 19th, 2011
8:08 pm

Your Five Reasons to be Optimistic link goes to A look back at the 2010-11 Hawks.

PS great work covering the Hawks all year.. I can’t always catch the games so I rely on your great coverage.

Than

May 19th, 2011
8:09 pm

HAHA AWESOME I LOVE DA HAWKSSSSSSSS. IM A HUGE FAN. I HOPE WE TRADE JAMAL+MARVIN FOR A BIG BOY CENTER THAT CAN PLAY DEFENSE/REBOUND/SCORE

O'Brien

May 19th, 2011
8:24 pm

MC,

Let’s keep it real. Even if there was no upcoming CBA issues, Rick Sund would sit around all offseason, only to end up signing 2 or 3 vet min guys, watch Jamal sign with somebody else because he is out of our price range, and then say the Hawks are one of only “X” teams to make it to the second round three seasons in a row, so only minor tweaks are needed.

Grandad

May 19th, 2011
8:26 pm

*[reposted from last blog]

I sure hope we don’t get that soft ass Mark Gasol as a FA.
7-1, 265 lbs and only avg 7 rebs durin’ the reg season.

Okay, okay, you say he avg 11 durin’ the post season !
So now he’s mean, tough, hombre ?

Obviously he converted;
had an epiphany.

Will he stay epiphanized…..or will he go the way of Al ?

Or, maybe the play-offs were a fluke?
(21 game sample)
maybe he really is deep down a soft ass?

Al’s career;
always been a fan favorite.
Until that villain Blake Griffin took him down.
(remember how we gushed when he rose up to hit those FT’s)

How about as late as Jan 28th when he had 14 rebs -vs- Amare?
Including;
19 pts on “only” 12 shots, 6 assts, 1 key blk -v- Amare late.

What did we think of Al that night?

Then he just woke up one morning and said;
” I think I shall become a sissy ” !

Well, so much for al’s epiphany !

Oh, by the way, Al is 24 yrs old will be 25 in June.
Gasol is already 26 as of last Jan.
In case you were gonna say Gasol is young.

* clue…..I never could distinct between the two?

Top Gun

May 19th, 2011
8:27 pm

Hawks have got to get a big that does not mind getting dirty. Doing the things that don’t show up in the stats but helps the team win. We don’t need more jump shooters…we need blue collar workers, those players that will hustle back down on defense and dive on the floor for the loose balls.

Buddy Grizzard

May 19th, 2011
8:28 pm

“Drew’s tactical decisions, especially his defensive schemes against Orlando, worked more times than not.” – MC

I see we’re going to have to update LD’s nickname. He is henceforth Hollinger, Bradley, Big Ray and MC-endorsed Las Vegas Lame Duck Larry Drew. I know he’s your boy after the way you jumped to diffuse the story about an ex-Hawk describing his preparation as a joke. But nobody can look at the tactical mistakes he made in the playoffs and label him anything other than an amateur.

RealSquawk

May 19th, 2011
8:29 pm

MC time flies.

It has been a great year thanks for covering everything.

I can’t remember if this is your first or second season covering the Hawks, but I think this is the second year you have been covering the Hawks maybe three iono…

time flies congratulations on another great year.

Grandad

May 19th, 2011
8:36 pm

O’B;
Sund lacks:
cleverness, imagination, ingenuity, inspiration,
inventiveness, originality, and vision.
-Plus-
He lacks:
the ability to / the want to / the care to / or the know how;
to …” develop a winning culture” … !

Sautee

May 19th, 2011
8:38 pm

Buddy Grizzard,

Did you ever go back and accuse Big Ray of using a straw man?

Oh yeah, I forgot, you don’t know what it means. Sorry, forget I asked.

Funny how as soon as Ray started asking questions that defused your position, you inexplicably disappeared.

Endorsed, my ass. You can post that all you want. It’s your right. And it’s my right to call you out for trying to say I used a straw man when it was clear you didn’t have a clue what it was, or how to use it. Keep it up and I will too. Or not, whatever.

Grandad

May 19th, 2011
8:51 pm

Buddy Grizzard

Let’s get one thing straight;
I’m not an LD supporter.
Plus, *until lately, I’ve been a critic of MC on occasion.
*[northcyde has disacknowledged his previous groupie status]

LD is a master tactician compared with his predecessor.

* In game adjustments was one of his few strengths.
** Discounting his [..two foul..] rule.

Let us not pile on Mr Drew.
I prefer a new Coach as well.
Surely you will come up with some negative examples
to prove your point.

There are much larger issues with Mr Drew.

Grandad

May 19th, 2011
8:58 pm

I didn’t finish one thought from above:

*** Mr Cunningham is fair & square ***
I have his back on that one;
whether it’s a player, LD, we bloggers, or whomever !

Dept. of Unintended Irony

May 19th, 2011
9:05 pm

“But nobody can look at the tactical mistakes he made in the playoffs and label him anything other than an amateur.”

Nobody? I say he’s a professional coach. He coaches professional basketball players. Your statement has been invalidated. Someone looked and still called him a professional. Or maybe you are the nobody of whom you spoke?

Najeh Davenpoop

May 19th, 2011
9:21 pm

Apparently the Thrashers-to-Winnipeg deal is done.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 19th, 2011
9:28 pm

It’s not like there is new news (word to Killer Mike) breaking every day about the Hawks now that their season is done, so expecting a new post every day on this blog would be a little unfair anyway.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 19th, 2011
9:31 pm

“Even if there was no upcoming CBA issues, Rick Sund would sit around all offseason, only to end up signing 2 or 3 vet min guys, watch Jamal sign with somebody else because he is out of our price range, and then say the Hawks are one of only “X” teams to make it to the second round three seasons in a row, so only minor tweaks are needed.”

Real talk.

Sautee

May 19th, 2011
9:48 pm

O’Brien,

Co-sign your 8:24 post. In spades. Well done.

Sautee

May 19th, 2011
9:50 pm

And whatever happened to Major – de Coverly?

O'Brien

May 19th, 2011
10:01 pm

MC,

Drew was a Hawks assistant for the previous seasons but acknowledged he “saw a different side” of his players as head coach.

“I learned even more things about them,” he said. “I will take that and look at it, and I will analyze it and go from there.”.

What I would like to know, is what did LD learn about himself? He made some questionable coaching decisions, and during the season, my impression was he blamed players for not executing his game plan, but very rarely would he take the fall for their performances.

Rev in Tampa

May 19th, 2011
11:18 pm

“What I would like to know, is what did LD learn about himself? He made some questionable coaching decisions, and during the season, my impression was he blamed players for not executing his game plan, but very rarely would he take the fall for their performances.”

OB,
You are on fire tonight. Co-sign.

KevinM

May 19th, 2011
11:27 pm

Well, what we learned this past year is Drew should no longer be compared to Phil Jackson. We saw a roller coaster season where the only thing consistent was the results were inconsistent.
Well, ASG, you get what you pay for, and we will continue to support an average GM, an average coach, and average results. You can call the 2012 Hawks as a non factor.

the truth

May 19th, 2011
11:29 pm

I Say,( FIRE) LARRY DREW. AT TIMES DURING THE SEASON AND DURING THE PLAYOFFS, HE SEEMED LOST AS WHAT TO DO IN PARTICULAR SITUATIONS. TO ME , HE SHOWED THAT HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO MOTIVATE HIS PLAYERS, HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO PLACE HIS PLAYERS ON THE COURT, HE DID NOT EARN THE RESPECT OF THE REFEREES, HIS MENTAL STATE WAS AT TIMES QUESTIONABLE(DAHHHHHH!!!!!), SEEMED TO BE A DAY DREAMER, WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE ALERT. THE LIST GOES ON. I SAY FIND A MATURE COACH (RICK ADELEMAN) TO HANDLE JOSH, THE REST WILL FALL INTO PLACE, BECAUSE HE WON’T STAND FOR THAT TYPE OF BS BALL PLAYIN THAT THEY SHOWED THIS YEAR. BUT, MARVIN , J POWELL, ETAN THOMAS MUST GO. MARVIN IS JUST NOT A BASKETBALL PLAYER, THATS RIGHT; JOSH IS TALL, BUT (SOFT); ETAN IS SLOW AND OVER WEIGHT. SO THE HAWKS NEED DEFENSIVE MINDED REPLACEMENTS THAT ARE HUSTLERS, PHYSICAL AND NOT “”(SLOW)’”", AND GET RID OF DREW.

DNaren

May 19th, 2011
11:33 pm

I see these main issues with LD
1) Not developing your younger players/rookies
2) Little or no in game adjustments
3) No accountability(except on teague)
and werent these the biggest issues with Woodson ???
I like LD better than Woody … is it enough ??

Najeh Davenpoop

May 19th, 2011
11:45 pm

Audible “OKC” chants in Dallas at the end of the Mavs-Thunder game. But yeah, everybody keep believing the played out line that only ATL has bandwagoners and transplants.

Sautee

May 19th, 2011
11:55 pm

KevinM,

“Well, what we learned this past year is Drew should no longer be compared to Phil Jackson. ”

Kevin, I guess I missed it. Some one was seriously comparing Drew to Phil?

Are you sure it wasn’t in jest?

Michael Cunningham

May 19th, 2011
11:55 pm

@O’Brien: “MC, Let’s keep it real. Even if there was no upcoming CBA issues, Rick Sund would sit around all offseason, only to end up signing 2 or 3 vet min guys, watch Jamal sign with somebody else because he is out of our price range, and then say the Hawks are one of only “X” teams to make it to the second round three seasons in a row, so only minor tweaks are needed.”

ha . . . you say this as if you’ve seen it before. but even if the Hawks don’t want to spend the money they could make trades if things were clearer with the CBA.

UGA

May 20th, 2011
12:01 am

MC:
Is it likely the Hawks make a deal before the draft?
Who are some lower end Vets that would be good for us to look at in your opinion?
Thanks

Michael Cunningham

May 20th, 2011
12:06 am

@Buddy Grizzard: “I see we’re going to have to update LD’s nickname. He is henceforth Hollinger, Bradley, Big Ray and MC-endorsed Las Vegas Lame Duck Larry Drew. I know he’s your boy after the way you jumped to diffuse the story about an ex-Hawk describing his preparation as a joke. But nobody can look at the tactical mistakes he made in the playoffs and label him anything other than an amateur.”

diffuse the story? i just tried to put the quotes of an anonymous player in context. i would do the same thing if, for instance, an anonymous player said: “Drew is the best coach in the league.” but you would have less of a problem with my so-called “diffusion” of that quote because it would bolster your opinion.

if he’s “my boy,” as you say, then i would never criticize him at all. if you’ve been reading my stuff you know that’s not true.

you’ve cherry-picked one positive thing i have to say in what otherwise could be construed as a negative critique of Drew and use it to impeach me. this suggests that you have a hostile reaction to anything positive at all said about Drew. that’s an emotional analysis, not a rational one. it’s unconcerned with balance or reason. that’s fine for you but not my thing.

Michael Cunningham

May 20th, 2011
12:08 am

@RealSquawk: “MC time flies. It has been a great year thanks for covering everything. I can’t remember if this is your first or second season covering the Hawks, but I think this is the second year you have been covering the Hawks maybe three iono… time flies congratulations on another great year.”

thanks, i appreciate it. i was hired in January 2010.

Michael Cunningham

May 20th, 2011
12:13 am

@O’Brien: “What I would like to know, is what did LD learn about himself? He made some questionable coaching decisions, and during the season, my impression was he blamed players for not executing his game plan, but very rarely would he take the fall for their performances.”

the way i look at this is, what would Drew have to gain by publicly admitting his mistakes? coaches with more security than him don’t do that. the most important thing is that he recognize those mistakes in and learn from them even if he doesn’t talk about it publicly. i’m not sure if learned from his errors or not but maybe there will be more self-reflection and evaluation now that the season is over. or maybe feedback from his bosses will force him to reconsider some of his decisions.

JDK

May 20th, 2011
12:15 am

MC: Your write-up was one thing, but do you honestly believe, in your heart of hearts, that we should be optimistic about this team? One decent playoff run (peppered with a few typical blowouts, I might add) does not a season make.

Haven’t you seen enough of this too often passionless, mishmash-ed bunch to expect anything but the worst?

Michael Cunningham

May 20th, 2011
12:20 am

@UGA: MC: “Is it likely the Hawks make a deal before the draft?”

i don’t think so. i think teams are reluctant to make deals until they know the new rules.

“Who are some lower end Vets that would be good for us to look at in your opinion?”

i haven’t really looked closely at the free agents yet but will do so for a future blog post.

UGA

May 20th, 2011
12:21 am

I think the Hawks should be optimistic. I was just hoping to give Orlando a good series and then we beat them in 6. If we had Hinrich against the Bulls, who knows what may have happened. Now we know Teague can play too. If we can upgrade our second unit to something similar to the Bulls, we will be ok. This is much better than the days of 13 wins!

UGA

May 20th, 2011
12:22 am

Thank you, look forward to that blog.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

May 20th, 2011
12:32 am

I am so tired of all things mediocre. Mediocre management, coaching, and effort leads to mediocre results. Mediocre superstar players underachieving leads to mediocre scoring averages.
Hate to see a brotha lose his job (I said the same about Woody) but if each of the ASG had a pair they would can this Las Vegas Lame Duck Larry guy and hire someone of significance…of conscience.

Obrien, Buddy Grizzard myself and others are all shouting the emperor has no clothes on or better yet, his suits are too big for him. I guess most are resigned to this guy leading the Hawks ship through the troubled waters. The head-coaching waters are too deep for him. We need a Posiedon to man this ship. Chicago hired one. Boston, I presume, resigned one. Have the Hawks ever had one? Does Lenny Wilkens qualify as one?

Major de`Coverly

May 20th, 2011
12:33 am

Mr. Sautee kind sir
I am still around I must keep an eye on brigadierJerry
with him beong navy and all. mostly I read the blog
to amuse miself and post whem i’m nothing else to do.
in my nind the hawsks had a goodyear and are still
headded in the rite direction. i wish marvin was better
fitted. I hop we kake a trade and get kevin olsen from
minnisotta are the guy bwith a beard from thunder.
In the draft iI hope we can get a russian because they
are meaner than college boys or other euro players.
thanks for checking on me.
PS mr irony – I don’t type good.

Michael Cunningham

May 20th, 2011
12:35 am

@JDK: “MC: Your write-up was one thing, but do you honestly believe, in your heart of hearts, that we should be optimistic about this team? One decent playoff run (peppered with a few typical blowouts, I might add) does not a season make. Haven’t you seen enough of this too often passionless, mishmash-ed bunch to expect anything but the worst?”

ha . . . nicely put.

well, first understand that i’m coming at this from an analytical perspective. i completely understand why fans don’t want to put much faith in this team. they are frustrating and hard for you to trust.

i expected the worst for the playoffs because i didn’t think this was a group that could mail it and then flip the switch. but they did it and surprised me and lots of others. last year this team was criticized for its playoff collapse after a very good regular season. now i think a pretty good playoff run shouldn’t be totally discounted because of what was an uninspiring season.

i think the things mentioned in my write-up are legit reasons for optimism. of course there are also reasons to be pessimistic, some of which you mention here.

Wabe

May 20th, 2011
12:43 am

So the Thrashers are officially gone.

Now, if only ASG could get the Hawks off their books and into someone’s hands who would put some real effort into getting this team places the fans wanna see them.

Grandad

May 20th, 2011
12:55 am

Enter your comments here

Buddy Grizzard

May 20th, 2011
12:57 am

Sautee,

Do you feel the need to go on basketball fan blogs to try and prove your superior reasoning ability? A straw man is when you change someone’s argument to something absurd, then attack the absurdity (the straw man) as if you were attacking the actual argument. An example would be when you equated my labeling of Big Ray’s remarks concerning the impact of LD’s coaching to an athlete who was almost killed while working out “endorsing” the barbell that almost killed him.

Instead of engaging in an effort to prove to all of us that you got an A in Philosophy 101 at your community college, why don’t you try attacking some of my actual arguments?

JDK

May 20th, 2011
1:01 am

MC: Thanks for the response, and keep up the good work. Believe me, I wish I could be optimistic!

Slimjr

May 20th, 2011
1:02 am

5 reasons to optimistic about the Hawks next year:

1. Al will find a low post game
2. Josh will find a mid-range jumpshot
3. Marvin will be traded
4. JC1 will walk
5. ISO will find his perimeter game and shoot 50% plus for the season!

Dream on Slimjr

Grandad

May 20th, 2011
1:04 am

A serious query for Buddy Grizzard:

Are you any kin to Lewis ?

Slimjr

May 20th, 2011
1:04 am

AllStar-Al for DeAndre Jordan

Worldwide Clyde

May 20th, 2011
2:13 am

Buddy Grizzard

May 20th, 2011
2:59 am

“LD is a master tactician compared with his predecessor.” – Grandad

I agree, but he’s not as good with people. Woody got Smoove to take 200 fewer three pointers the previous season. Lame Duck Larry doesn’t have the players’ backs, and they don’t have his. Bad situation. I’ve been saying all year go look at NBA Playbook and look at the latest game winning play drawn up by Lame Duck and broken down by Sebastian Pruitti.

LD has X’s and O’s no question. But can he motivate players? Can he get them to play hard and play the right way? Or do they not trust him because his rotations are based on his own sense of entitlement, not on who is producing?

Buddy Grizzard

May 20th, 2011
2:59 am

Grandad yes, Lewis was my third cousin, but I never got to meet him. I grew up a fan just like everybody else in Atlanta.

Sautee

May 20th, 2011
3:21 am

Buddy Grizzard,

Do you really want me to dredge up the posts where I attacked your “actual arguments”? That can easily be done, but it might prove too traumatic for you. Your logic in those arguments was laughably weak and I tried to show you how silly you sounded. I’m glad that you now have a glimmer as to what a straw man is. You certainly didn’t before. But to try and say now that my example of Stefan Johnson’s sad accident was a straw man when I NEVER struck that argument down, (as one does with a straw man) shows me that you still misunderstand the use of a straw man, And that you were, and are more interested in saving face, than in defending your position.

MC said it well. You overreact in a hostile and emotional fashion to any mention of positive things regarding Larry Drew. Your suggestion that Big Ray “endorsed” LD when he obviously did not is a clear example of this. And when Ray came back with questions for you on his blog that you couldn’t answer and still defend your prevarications, you disappeared. Saving face again?

If your defense of your arguments is that important to you, why not go back to Ray’s blog and answer him?

Buddy, this is a good blog, and we don’t need unsupportable allegations. I don’t wish to spend all my energy defending the sanctity of this room. I’d much rather that you just understood the need to keep it real. But if you insist on spreading BS, I’ll come back at you. Every time.

superiorblogman

May 20th, 2011
3:29 am

Status quo is all Sund has brought. Re-signing Bibby, Zaza, Marvin, Joe, Josh, and Al. Seriously this foolishness went much farther than the true core which is Joe, Josh, and Al. You can add Teague to the core now that we all see what he can do when given the oppurtunity. To post something about status quo around here and not expect negative comments is just silly.

Fire LD

Fire Sund

ASG sale to someone with money, which is neither of these clowns that are currently being mentioned.

Meanwhile, Sund should get off of his old sorry arse and make something happen. There are deals that can be made that do not add to your payroll.