Atlanta Hawks: The Chicago Way?

The Hawks need to get better. The Bulls needed to do the same last summer and Al said the Hawks might learn something from the way they went about it.

“That’s the perfect example,” he said. “They got that kid Asik. They got Korver, a shooter. They addressed their needs and got better. That’s a blueprint that I think if I’m the team I would look at.”

So let’s look at what the Bulls did last summer and see if the Hawks can copy the same formula:

  • Al’s theory falls apart from the start: The Bulls had just $34 million in committed salaries for 2010-11 after clearing space to get in on the 2010 free-agent bonanza. The Hawks have about $67 million in committed salaries mostly because of J.J. and Smoove’s contracts and Al’s extension.
  • The Bulls cleared more cap space by trading Hinrich and a first-round pick to the Wizards for a second-round pick. The Wizards coveted Hinrich and were willing to take on his $17 million salary. The Hawks don’t have a first-round draft pick. They also aren’t under the cap and so can’t make such a trade without taking back salary (under the current rules).
  • The Bulls hired a coach with a single-minded obsession with defense (and didn’t break the bank to do it). L.D. talked a lot about defense when he was hired, too, but his personnel decisions usually didn’t match the talk. (The Hawks did end up playing good D in the playoffs and L.D. deserves some credit for that, especially his decision to use the Twin lineup against Orlando. But D was neither a big part of the team’s culture nor was it usually at the forefront of the way L.D. distributed minutes among his backcourt.)
  • The Bulls signed Boozer for five years and $80 million. The Hawks don’t have cap space so they can’t outright sign such a player even if they wanted to pay the tax. But let’s go ahead and say the contract for J.J. last summer was their Boozer move.
  • The Bulls signed Korver for 5 years and $15 million (the final year is partially guaranteed). They could do that because they had cap space. The Hawks can’t because they don’t.
  • After the Magic matched their offer sheet to Redick, the Bulls signed Ronnie Brewer for two years and $9.5 guaranteed. The Hawks can’t do a deal like that because . . . well, you know.
  • The Bulls signed Asik for two years and $3.6 million. They had acquired him in a 2008 draft-night trade with Portland in which they sent away three second-round picks. Maybe Pape Sy or Gladyr can be the next Asik?
  • The Bulls acquired Watson in a sign-and-trade with Golden State. The deal was for two years and $7 million guaranteed. They could do this because of their cap room.
  • The Bulls signed Bogans, Kurt Thomas and Scalabrine to minimum-salaried contracts. The Hawks presumably make similar moves, depending on the details of the new CBA.

Clearly, because of salary commitments already on the books, the Chicago Way can’t be the Hawks’ Way.

What’s next?

I know there are lots of questions about what the Hawks can and should do. Honestly, they are difficult to answer without knowing what the new CBA rules will look like. The players quickly rejected the league’s latest offer, which reportedly proposed a hard salary cap and salary rollbacks.

What will be the amount of the salary cap? What about the luxury tax? Will there be an amnesty provision to allow teams to shed salary? Will there still be cap exceptions and, if not, what about those teams whose payrolls are above the new salary cap?

“As players we are just trying to do the right thing for current players and the players that are going to come behind us and for what the players before us worked so hard for,” Hinrich said. “We’ll see. Right now it probably looks like July 1 we are going to be locked out. For now, it’s up in the air.”

Under the current rules it’s hard to see how the Hawks could even fill out the roster with the minimum 13 players without paying the tax. Right now their options are limited to trades and using exceptions to acquire players whose salaries that don’t put them over the tax level. Assuming the tax threshold is about the same as it was the past three seasons, about $70 million, the Hawks would have roughly $3 million of wiggle room to sign six players.

Again, that’s based on the current rules and some assumptions. With the way things are going with the labor situation, who knows what the new system will look like when the league starts playing basketball again. But clearly the Hawks, like all teams, are counting on new rules more favorable to owners.

L.D. didn’t want to get into exactly what he thinks the Hawks need because he hadn’t talked to Rick Sund or the owners yet. (Sund, by the way, says he’s not talking until after the team’s scouting combine, which ends a week from Wednesday). But I noted the team’s lack of scoring at the rim and also their low free-throw rate and asked if that’s something that can only change with different personnel.

“Possibly,” L.D. said. “A lot of that is simply making the wrong decision out of ball movement on when to attack or settling for jump shots. You guys heard me say time and time again how we just settled for jump shots. We did not do a good job collectively in attacking the glass and going to the basket. That’s personnel-driven.

“Once we do spread the floor and the ball is moved we have to be mindful of just attacking. You can’t be afraid; you can’t be intimidated. You have to go in there with authority. Players that want to get to the free-throw line, they seek bodies. For them it’s not always about finishing the shot, they seek bodies to draw the and-1. That is something we will have to evaluate.”

J.J. seemed to hit on a similar theme when asked about the team’s needs.

“For us it’s guys like blue-collar guys, guys who do a lot of dirty work and do a lot of things that don’t show up in stat book,” J.J. said. “Those are the kind of guys that can help us out. We will see what happens. We’ve gotten better each year. Our postseason [this year] was probably the best it’s been.”

L.D. never could get his team to completely shed its isolation tendencies. When they got open shots and made them, then the ball and players moved and the Hawks were difficult to defend. That’s what happened in Games 1 and 4 against the Bulls.

When the defensive pressure intensified, or when the wrong guys took the wrong shots, then the Hawks started isolating and were easier to defend. That’s what happened in the fourth quarter of Game 5, which ended up being a lost opportunity for the Hawks to win the series.

Does L.D. still think this group of players us capable of running his offense?

“I’m still hopeful we can do that,” he said. “I think Chicago, their defensive pressure was much more intense than Orlando. Sometimes when you are playing under pressure you get sped up and you start getting away from the game plan. I think a lot of what Chicago did had a lot to do with that. That being said, we did not get to our spots like we did against Orlando. That tells me that it was jut the pressure of their defense.

“It was the same coverage [as Orlando] but once we played out of that double team [the Bulls] weren’t as organized as Orlando. I’m not going to abandon something that has been good to us. We just have to do a better job playing out of pressure, double teams. You still have to make plays and in making plays have to move the basketball. I thought we did a great job against Orlando. The Chicago series we weren’t as good.”

Joe said the offense “was kind of up and down” this season.

“We was all trying to feel each other out as far as him implementing his system and us trying to learn it,” he said. “At the same time there are times we looked great. That’s something we can build on and look forward to next year.”

Notes

  • Teague said he’s scheduled for an MRI on his right wrist on Tuesday to make sure there’s no ligament damage.
  • L.D. on meeting with Sund and owners: “I give them my views and hear their views. You have to slowly and methodically take your time and assess this season and the personnel, talk about things we lack and we need to get better. Do we have those players to make us better in certain areas or do we have to go out and find those kind of players? We have to look at everything and analyze everything and come to a decision about certain things, not necessarily an agreement. I’ve been around for a long time and I know you don’t always agree but important to lay it out on the table and talk about it.”
  • L.D. on the postseason: “The question I asked myself, looking at the postseason, is were we better prepared this season than we were last year? Did we compete at a higher level this year than last year? Did we accomplish more goals than last year? I am my biggest critic when it comes to team getting prepared and going out there and executing game the plan, and I thought the answers to all those questions were, ‘Yes.’”
  • Al on possibly adding a full-time center: “It’s going to be an interesting offseason because I think there are probably going to be some changes. I think having a bigger player like that to help is always a great strength and a great help. We will see what happens. I do like playing power forward. I like playing the center, as well, but if we can have another bigger body that would be great.”
  • Smoove on if he prefers to play the 3: “It is what it is. It’s a controversial question. I’m just here to play.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

476 comments Add your comment

bigdave

May 14th, 2011
2:33 pm

“We will see what happens. I do like playing power forward. I like playing the center, as well, but if we can have another bigger body that would be great.”

vs.

“It is what it is. It’s a controversial question. I’m just here to play.”

nuff said.

bigdave

May 14th, 2011
2:35 pm

take the pacifier out your mouth and work on what will make you a better asset to the TEAM.

DCBravosFan

May 14th, 2011
2:38 pm

Great write up, MC. As a longtime fan, I was only slighted encouraged by this postseason. The team has a collective effort issue, especially on D. They only rarely play hard for 48 minutes. Is it too late for LD to change the culture of the team? Are there any good assistants out there that the Hawks can bring in to teach – and preach – good D and consistent effort?

joey1

May 14th, 2011
2:38 pm

DCBravosFan

May 14th, 2011
2:39 pm

Another thing. A couple of days after the Lakers were swept out of the playoffs, Kobe described this season as a “wasted year” because his team wouldn’t play for a championship. He may be a miserable person, but Kobe clearly has an insatiable desire to win. Is there any indication that anyone on the Hawks has anything even close to that kind of drive?

Houston Hawk

May 14th, 2011
2:41 pm

Houston Hawk

May 14th, 2011
2:41 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

May 14th, 2011
2:41 pm

Even with the Hawks’ cap space issues, they could have probably done half the things on that Chicago list if they still had the assets they sent to Washington in the Kirk trade. Not that Kirk is a bad player, but that trade is unnecessary if LD plays Teague from day one.

BEN

May 14th, 2011
2:42 pm

James on Pharr Rd

May 14th, 2011
2:42 pm

First time ever:
How about we start from the point of a new GM moving forward, then look at a 3million type coach with history. The rest is all logistics to me.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 14th, 2011
2:46 pm

For one thing, I would definitely have supported a Marvin + first rounder in a salary dump to some team for a couple of second rounders trade, like what the Bulls did with Kirk.

Marvin will be a 20ppg scorer

May 14th, 2011
2:47 pm

Did any one other than me notice that once Jamal came here, Marvin shot attempts went down alot?..Did any one notice Marvin was around 15ppg for 3 straight seasons until Jamal came?..

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Benny

May 14th, 2011
2:51 pm

ASG has the 7th highest payroll in the league, but it is not well-spent at all. Way too much for JJ. Could have gotten 3 good role players for that money. Re-signing Marvin was a disaster. So what if he would have been offered more from someone else? Buy out his current contract, and let him sign with anyone he wants. Crawford’s salary is off the books. See ya, JC. Steve Belkin now appears to be a smart guy, since he did not wish to throw the bank at JJ back then. ASG management appears to be a colossal cluster-f#&k.

joethepoliceman

May 14th, 2011
2:53 pm

Why talk about what the Hawks can’t do? Instead focus on what they can do.

James on Pharr Rd

May 14th, 2011
2:53 pm

I think LD is likely to return as coach next year-his salary and contract fit with ASG MO. Nothing against him, but he is unlikely to warrant major long term changes by management involving any risk because he is dispensable in 2012 (expiring contract)
The Hawks best chance at moving forward is trading Joe’s contract which would likely need 2+ teams because of it sucks.Besides Lewis, Arenas and Roy(Whom I like) JJ is in the worst grouping of “Lemons” out there.

NagoyaHawk

May 14th, 2011
2:55 pm

Hello? Following the Bulls blue print hello? It’s not about who you get it’s about playing smart 1st and playing hard 2nd. Get that through your thick skulls ATL and you might win a conference semi-final for once in 44 years. Jeeze, the kind of thinking these guys have. They got the talent, just work.

Atlanta $pirit Group

May 14th, 2011
2:55 pm

The Winnipeg Hawks sounds good.

Michael Cunningham

May 14th, 2011
3:04 pm

@Najeh: “For one thing, I would definitely have supported a Marvin + first rounder in a salary dump to some team for a couple of second rounders trade, like what the Bulls did with Kirk.”

the key to that trade was that Grunfeld wanted Kirk, who had two years left on his deal and, as you say, isn’t a bad player. does anyone want Marvin with three more years on his deal?

Reggie

May 14th, 2011
3:11 pm

MC

As far as Josh Smith is concerned, it seems like that he is the best trade chip moving forward, do you think the Hawks will at least consider moving him this time around? especially with the limited amount of options they have?

Michael Cunningham

May 14th, 2011
3:11 pm

@DCBravosFan: “The team has a collective effort issue, especially on D. They only rarely play hard for 48 minutes. Is it too late for LD to change the culture of the team? Are there any good assistants out there that the Hawks can bring in to teach – and preach – good D and consistent effort?”

well, you saw what happened over the final four games, when L.D. preached about finishing strong and the players pretty much ignored him. they did “flip the switch” when it was time but i don’t think the Hawks have a collection of guys who will go all out defensively like the Bulls. i think that culture has to be developed by the head coach but the team’s best players also have to buy in and there have to be enough role players who bring that kind of attitude without needing to be coaxed.

bigdave

May 14th, 2011
3:13 pm

“It’s not about who you get it’s about playing smart 1st and playing hard 2nd.”

acquiring some pieces definitely will go a long way but you have a point. it wont matter who they bring in if that culture of passiveness, low effort play continues. the new guys, if starters, will just conform to the environment. Hawks do not play collectively night in and out.. move #1 needs to be acquiring a true identity and sticking w/ it for 82 games.

Michael Cunningham

May 14th, 2011
3:14 pm

@Reggie: “MC As far as Josh Smith is concerned, it seems like that he is the best trade chip moving forward, do you think the Hawks will at least consider moving him this time around? especially with the limited amount of options they have?”

i agree that Josh has the most trade value. (Hinrich, too, because he’s still productive and has an expiring $8 million deal.) the Hawks did dangle Smoove at the trade deadline but as far as i know talks never got serious. i think they have to consider doing it again this summer. his departure would leave be a big hole to fill with defense, rebounding and athleticism.

bigdave

May 14th, 2011
3:14 pm

“i think that culture has to be developed by the head coach but the team’s best players also have to buy in and there have to be enough role players who bring that kind of attitude without needing to be coaxed.”

CHURCH!

Mitch

May 14th, 2011
3:21 pm

Michael & Fellow Hawk Fans:

I need help understanding why LD and Rick Sund deserve mulligans this year. Sure—it was great to see the Hawks beat the Magic and win games 1 and 4 versus the Bulls—and as you said, MC, the defense was stronger in some of those efforts. However…

* The team started 6-0 (great!) and then went on to play a mere .500 ball the rest of the season.

* It no longer played consistently strong at home—in fact, there were numerous embarrassing blowout losses at home and not to just the NBA’s best teams.

* The coaching, for the most part, was too passive—roles were not clearly defined (would Jerry Sloane or any aggressive coach have had Josh Smith camping out on the 3 point line? Would he have tried to turn Al Horoford into a finesse player? Would he have run an offense that continued to stop dead in its tracks whenever Joe Johnson hogged the dribble?)

* The players were generally soft—MC, correct me if I am wrong, but the reason why the Hawks didn’t take it to the rim or get to the foul line nearly often enough, was that the players used LD’s so-called motion offense as an excuse to settle for jump shots, wasn’t this the truth? Everyone was happy to see Al Horford develop a 15 footer—but—he should have been our best banger and offensive rebounder—and yet Horford himself grew jumper happy and—like everyone else grew soft.

* Game 4 versus the Bulls—the players played with an energy level, an urgency and a determination that was rarely displayed all year (other than in little spurts)—and thus their win in Game 4, imo, was the best win of the year. What this showed, however, is what the team was capable of when it wanted to—which is why to see how comparatively lethargic they were in games 5 and 6 (back to what they were most of the season) was just another reminder why these players have been coddled and enabled.

* The poor handling of young players continued—had it not been for Hinrich’s injury—would we even have a remote sense of what G Jeff Teague is capable of? It wasn’t too comforting to watch JC2 go off for a string of 28 point nights after he was traded either. Menawhile, the remaining JC on the roster was never give a set of double and/or staggered screens versus the Bulls when they were playing inside his short after game one,

* As for Rick Sund—he’s the one who hired Drew—and he’s the one who so readily gave away draft picks—even sold one off (man that was lame) after giving us brief excitement in the draft with the JC2 trade. Funny that he isn’t even going to talk about the team until after the scouting combine—for a draft that he no longer has a first round pick in. Is it just me or does Rick Sund always seem like several days/weeks/months late and an idea short?

* I’ve been a Hawks fan since the days of Pistol Pete—and to be honest, I turned off more games in progress out of disgust this year than I ever have. The general passivity and lethargy of this team was that bad far too often—there was such little character in this team—and to now see Al Horford following suit makes me think that unless there is a new GM and head coach, the Hawks won’t be worth buying season tickets for or worth purchasing even the $199 DirecTV NBA Season Pass for. These Hawks were a rip-off and a major disappointment. Sorry to rant—but this is a whole year’s frustration gushed out into one post. Again—please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks, MC and friend, Mitch.

GT Alum

May 14th, 2011
3:35 pm

“his departure would leave be a big hole to fill with defense, rebounding and athleticism.”

Yeah, but part of the problem with Smoove this season is he took himself out of position to provide those things a lot of times. And playing him at SF, be it Collins or someone else at C, just gives him an excuse to sag away from the basket.

I’m becoming more and more convinced that this team has 2 starting PFs and only backup SFs and Cs. I know the Smoove trade rumors have been swirling for a while, and I’ve resisted them because of his talent, but you’ve got to wonder if he’s ever going to reach his potential, at least while he’s wearing a Hawks’ uni.

Of course, the problem with trading Smoove is even though he’s never been selected as an AS, he’s an AS talent. Can the Hawks get value in return for him?

Grandad

May 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

NagoyaHawk – Co-Sign

“The Chicago Way” is a mind-set !
It started with ”Thibs”
-Then- Rose bought in *[all in]
*(unlike Joe who’s sometimes in or out, on-board, but tepid)
-With- the best player all in everyone else had no choice but to follow.
Then there is Noah – “unbridled passion”
-And- a *[team] Commitment to Defense above All,
-Then- “Thibs” again holding ALL (everyone) accountable.
That, my friends is ” The Chicago Way ” !

northcyde

May 14th, 2011
3:40 pm

bigdave

May 14th, 2011
2:33 pm

“We will see what happens. I do like playing power forward. I like playing the center, as well, but if we can have another bigger body that would be great.”

vs.

“It is what it is. It’s a controversial question. I’m just here to play.”

nuff said.

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I agree. And it shows that Horford really doesn’t want to play center, regardless of what he says about the position. He’s talked too many times about playing PF. Meanwhile Smith honestly doesn’t care where he plays. And I’m sure he knows that most of the fans DO NOT want him playing the 3, because of his poor outside shot. But Smith honestly doesn’t care where he plays. He just wants to play.

Please don’t go soft on us AL. What you need to do is get in the weight room, and add about 15 pounds to your frame. Come back to the Hawks at 6 – 10 . . 260 . . 265 lbs . . AND PLAY CENTER!!

Otherwise, either you or Smith may need to be traded.

mykhalc

May 14th, 2011
3:43 pm

LD is still part of the Woodson culture. this team’s culture will not changed until the pieces are changed. what here is ingrained…gotta change the pieces…

joey1

May 14th, 2011
3:43 pm

Section 303

May 14th, 2011
3:54 pm

Michael, nice write up. Really good work!

I think it’s obvious there is going to be at least one major move. All signs point to Josh Smith getting traded, but who really knows? A lot of people who are alleged “in the know’ thought the Hawks would pass on signing Joe Johnson last summer and they were wrong.

I’m willing to bet that Marvin is not back next year. I think the Hawks would trade him for pair of shoes. But, hopefully, they can land a player that can contribute. I’m not holding my breath on that.

I got the impression that the Hawks were counting on the new CBA to baill them out of the Joe Johnson contract when it was signed last summer. Anyone else get the same feeling? They will probably end up with a little more wiggle room than it looks right now.

But, really…I think this lockout will go all season. The owners are looking to make major changes. The players will put up a fight. This labor situation is not going away anytime soon. I don’t think we will know the roster for next season until 2012, since that’s when next season will probably be.

northcyde

May 14th, 2011
3:55 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

May 14th, 2011
2:41 pm

Even with the Hawks’ cap space issues, they could have probably done half the things on that Chicago list if they still had the assets they sent to Washington in the Kirk trade. Not that Kirk is a bad player, but that trade is unnecessary if LD plays Teague from day one.

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Unnecessary if he played Teague AND Jordan from Day 1. Because I don’t think anyone was impressed with what Mo Evans brought to the table this year.

Bibby – JJ – Marvin – Smith – Horford

6th Jamal
7th Zaza
8th Teague
9th Jordan
10th Collins

Seeing that Marvin could somewhat play the 4 anyway, room could’ve been made to get Jordan at least a little playing time. And Jamal probably shouldn’t have been playing 30 minutes a night anyway, especially when he didn’t have it going or was getting lit up on defense. There were minutes there for both Teague and Jordan, had LD and this organization had the mindset that they were going to develop these players.

But they stuck with the vets. I wasn’t initially against that. But when things started to go downhill starting in February, that was the time to see if those young kids could help you a little more.

LOL . . so instead of still having Jordan here, and Bibby as a possible reserve shooter PG off the bench, with Mo and Jamal both gone . . . we now have Hinrich only, with Mo, Jamal, Bibby, and Jordan gone.

And we’d have that late 1st round draft pick.

SMH @ the ASG.

Honestly, this team could’ve looked like this going into the 2011 season

PG – Teague
G – JJ
F – Marvin ( I know, I know )
PF – Smith
C – Horford

G – Bibby ( expiring contract which could’ve been traded )
G – Jordan
PF – Jarvis Varnado ( with the 31st pick that we traded away for cash )
C – Zaza
C – Collins ( if you want to re-sign him )
1st round pick 2011
Free agent 2011

Heck . . I think a Teague – Jordan – JJ – Smith – Horford squad would’ve been interesting to see in 2011 as well.

Could’ve had 3 young pieces here, instead of one. Plus the option to add a free agent or two to the mix.

Grandad

May 14th, 2011
4:00 pm

MC – terrific article

1. Have the Hawks conducted exit interviews?
2. If so / or if when, would we be privy to some of the appraisals?

Sautee

May 14th, 2011
4:01 pm

Hatter,

From the previous blog:

“Sautee, I can appreciate that. I have no desire to misrepresent the the truth. I wasnt aware that Al had move up in the coaches eyes from number 26 at the center position to number 19.”

Ha! No man, you either don’t get it or you are purposely being obtuse.

Al tied with Josh (and Artest) at #19 among ALL players in the league, not centers. According to the coaches, there were only 18 players better on defense this year than Al.

Let me say that again: According to the head coaches, only 18 players were more deserving of All-Defensive team votes than Al Horford. Get it now?

Among centers he finished 6th behind DHoward, T. Chandler, Noah (who was listed as forward / center), TDuncan, and Chuck Hayes. That’s it. Every other center in the league finished below Al, who had the same number of first team votes as Noah and Duncan.

Hatter, you can try all you want to dismiss this voting, but it wasn’t a panel of sportswriters, it was the Head Coaches of the league. Three of them thought Al should be first team All-Defense. Now I can’t say I saw THAT from Al, but again, I think the coaches know a helluva lot more about their own game than any fan including you and me. They obviously put a greater premium on position defense than they do on shot blocking. Obviously. Or else Ibaka, Perkins, Nene, Bynum and Bogut would have been ahead of Al.

But they were not. Sorry, man but the coaches’ Kool-Aid tastes better than yours. You may not like his defense but the coaches sure do.

Boom Dizzle

May 14th, 2011
4:02 pm

the key to that trade was that Grunfeld wanted Kirk, who had two years left on his deal and, as you say, isn’t a bad player. does anyone want Marvin with three more years on his deal?

@MC — That’s a good point. At the same time, before the start of this season who would’ve thought some suck…err I mean team would take on the likes of Gil Arenas, Baron Davis and/or Rashard Lewis. Marvin isn’t untradable but expect someone else’s junk for him. At this point IMO that would be better….

Najeh Davenpoop

May 14th, 2011
4:14 pm

“there have to be enough role players who bring that kind of attitude without needing to be coaxed.”

Co-sign. The Hawks could really use a couple of Tony Allen/Shane Battier type players. Looking at Memphis, most of their key players (Randolph, Gay, Mayo, Conley, M. Gasol) have never been known as dominant defensive forces, but that team as a whole plays good D this year. Surely some of that has to do with Lionel Hollins, but I would think a lot has to do with the way Allen and Battier get after it on D. From what I’ve seen of Memphis, those two players’ defensive intensity is infectious.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 14th, 2011
4:14 pm

“Unnecessary if he played Teague AND Jordan from Day 1. Because I don’t think anyone was impressed with what Mo Evans brought to the table this year.”

Until you mentioned him I had completely forgot that a) Mo Evans played for the Hawks this year and b) he was involved in that trade.

Sautee

May 14th, 2011
4:18 pm

“Please don’t go soft on us AL. What you need to do is get in the weight room, and add about 15 pounds to your frame. Come back to the Hawks at 6 – 10 . . 260 . . 265 lbs . . AND PLAY CENTER!!”

Co-sign.

And work on your freakin’ post game before “expanding your range”.

hawkville

May 14th, 2011
4:23 pm

It wouldn’t hurt to coach the players u have. Give them something to work on during the summer. It’s all about coaching now and maximize the talent u have on your team. It’s enough talent.

Grandad

May 14th, 2011
4:25 pm

Al & Josh both answered the question judiciously.
Why do some of you insist on knowing what they really mean’t
or what they really want.
Everyone on this board knows we need a Big, at least one if not two.
If Al mentions the same thing;
it means he’s a sissy and secretly wants to be a ballet dancer.

I’m quite certain that northcyde has some sort of statistics which prove
he knows what people are thinking all the time even when they say something
oddly different from what he says they say they are saying
even though they said it, because it was what they were thinking and not what
they actually said, so they said what they said instead of what they thought.
That way we would only know what they said and not what they thought unless
they thought they said something they didn’t mean to say which would then mean
they said what they really mean’t which would then really throw off northcyde
because they would have not only said what they didn’t mean to say but what they
really mean’t.
Betcha’ can’t figure out what I’m thinkin’ right now.

Buddy Grizzard

May 14th, 2011
4:27 pm

“L.D. talked a lot about defense when he was hired, too, but his personnel decisions usually didn’t match the talk.” -MC

This is why MC is the man. Right out of the box, he calls Hollinger, Bradley and Big Ray-endorsed Las Vegas Larry on the carpet for his disingenuousness. Now, to address something from the last blog:

“About this: “Hollinger, Bradley and Big Ray-endorsed Las Vegas Larry is here to stay though… the talking heads have spoken!”

I don’t think Big Ray “endorsed” LD as much as he acknowledged he was likely to return. When I read your post, I went back to Ray’s blog to check. It didn’t seem like an endorsement to me. I thought at MOST Ray was ambivalent regarding Drew, and raised several questions that we on the blogs have asked ourselves..

Was there a specific thing that made you think it was an endorsement?” – Sautee

Yes, there was this comment from Big Ray, Sautee: “Drew stays, and he won’t kill this team.”

Sure, he’s saying Drew stays as a statement of his opinion of what’s going to happen, not as an endorsement. But the phrase “he won’t kill this team” is an editorial statement. He’s saying Drew stays, and it’s good for the Hawks. That’s an endorsement.

I have a difference of opinion with Ray. I think Hollinger, Bradley and Big Ray-endorsed Las Vegas Larry has ALREADY killed the Hawks. Windows to compete for championships close FAST, just ask the Magic. This may have been the best chance the Hawks had or will ever have to win a championship. We failed to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals due to LD’s HORRIBLE personnel deployment, i.e. playing JC1 the ENTIRE 4th quarter of game 5 on a 1-for-9 shooting night and sitting Zaza, who had the best +/- in the postseason of any Hawk to play substantial minutes.

“Maybe Pape Sy or Gladyr can be the next Asik?”

Oh lawd. But again, thanks MC for calling out the ASG for not doing better than Hollinger, Bradley and Big Ray-endorsed Las Vegas Larry when CHI went out and got the best coach in the NBA for just over $2m a season. Thibs is still in the post season. Doc is not. Phil is not. Thibs has 3 fewer All Stars on his roster than Doc. One last time:

Terry Stotts
Lon Kruger
Mike Woodson
Larry Drew

Jody

May 14th, 2011
4:33 pm

I agree that Al needs to regain his physicality from earlier in the season, but him adding more muscle isn’t going to make him any more of a center than he already is. Face it folks, Al is a 4 and has always been one. The Hawks need to make a decision because Al and Josh will never be strong enough to deal with the frontlines of Chicago, Miami, LA etc… as a 4 and 5 combination. I know many wan to keep both players, but the Hawks will never become a title contender that way imho. They’re just not big enough.

myrak43

May 14th, 2011
4:36 pm

this is what we should do..

Pau, 2013 lottery protected 1st, and 2011 2nd for Marvin Williams and Horford. then get Tayshaun Prince via free agency. then go out and and shop in the Big and Tall store for free agents get two or three of Troy Murphy, Chuck Hayes, Carl Landry, Yi Jianlian, Tyson Chandler, Dalembert, Mohammed, and/or DeAndre Jordan. my dream would be to get Chandler I don’t think that is going to happen though. so realisticly Hayes and Landry. and maybe Yi (Yi would be mainly to increase the Hawks revenue by tapping in to atlanta’s Asian Market)

Teauge/ Kirk
J. Jonhson/ J.Crawford
J. Smith/ Tayshuan Prince
Landry/ Hayes/ Yi
Pau/ Zaza

big line up
Kirk
JJ
Smith
Pau
ZaZa

small line up
Teague
JC
Prince
Landry or Smoove
Pau

we can mix match lineups many ways

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May 14th, 2011
3:53 pm
Landry, Prince, and Smoove all can play SF and PF. Pau and Hayes can play Center and PF
JJ can play SG and SF Kirk can play PG and SG.

Grandad

May 14th, 2011
4:40 pm

hawkville

NBA coaches don’t coach.
Coach synonymous with Teacher
NBA coach = Planner.

That was an overgeneralization.

A Good NBA Coach:
Has a superior will.
Is commited to “his” way whatever that is.
Hires good asst coaches, who are smarter than he is. [X's & O's]
Is competitive, Himself !
He must want to win as Russell & Jordan did, and Kobe does now.

A team usually takes on their coaches identity……….LD ?

Jody

May 14th, 2011
4:54 pm

In addition, the idea that Al wanting to play the 4 somehow makes him soft is absurd. It is what it is and the truth is the truth. Al is a power forward and I don’t see why it’s somehow more unfair for him to want to play his natural position than it is to force him to the 5 just so Josh can play the 4. Why anyone would want to continue with Al and Josh as the main 4, 5 combination is beyond me. The rebounding differential in the Chicago series should have closed the case. Playing two 4s (one undersized) up front is not going to cut it. The Hawks should cease from trying to force a square peg in a circle hole.

jason

May 14th, 2011
4:55 pm

Trading Jordan Crawford… Smh..

Sautee

May 14th, 2011
4:55 pm

“But the phrase “he won’t kill this team” is an editorial statement. He’s saying Drew stays, and it’s good for the Hawks. That’s an endorsement.!”

LOL, Buddy, if THAT’S an endorsement, it’s the weakest ass endorsement I’ve ever heard. We can disagree, but I personally think it’s a HUGE stretch to think that “he won’t kill this team” is an endorsement, which my dictionary defines as: “giving approval of or support to, especially by public statement”

How the F is “he won’t kill this team” which does NOT give approval or support to Drew mean the he’s saying it’s “good for the Hawks”?

To me, that’s about as lukewarm as Ray could have possibly been, but as Grandad says, some will only believe what fits their argument. So, respectfully, I’ll suggest that you might need a bigger shoehorn for this particular point. That’s my humble opinion.

myrak43

May 14th, 2011
4:57 pm

Jody Horford was playing the 4 in this years playoffs for the majority of the minutes he played. and he was still playing soft.

realatl

May 14th, 2011
4:58 pm

AT FIRST IDIDNT KNOW WHAT STEVE BELKIN WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT WHEN WE SIGNED JOE. BUT FROM A BUSINESS MAN POINT OF VIEW HE KNEW THIS WAS A STUPID MOVE FROM THE GET GO. AT FIRST I LIKED JOE BUT NOW I SEE WHERE HE DOESNT MIND SETTLING FOR JUMPERS OR LOSES. MAN WE SHOULDVE LISTENED TO BELKIN NOW WE SO TIED UP WITH JOE AN HIS SALARY WE HAVE HANDICAPPED OUR TEAM THROUGH JOE JOHNSON AN KIRK HINRICH KEEP JOSH AL AN JEFF TEAGUE EVRYONE ELSE FIND A WAY FOR THEM TO GO

realatl

May 14th, 2011
5:00 pm

KEEP JOSH SMITH AL HORFORD AN JEFF TEAGUE GET RID OF EVERYONE ELSE