Atlanta Hawks at Bulls Game 5: On energy and effort

Chicago–If you are skeptical about how much those favored NBA cliches of “energy and effort” factor into winning then perhaps this series has changed your mind a bit. There have been scrums and scraps around the basket on what seems like every loose ball in this series, and I think there’s something to be said for energy and effort in these circumstances.

Defense and rebounding are undervalued as talents, and certainly it’s true that some players can try hard but just don’t have what it takes to be good in those areas. But maybe physically gifted guys can be better at defending and rebounding if they have the zest for it, especially within the team concept.

The Bulls are a good defensive team because they have good defensive players and a sound scheme but what good would any of that be without their single-minded devotion to getting stops and then securing the ball at all costs? Isn’t that energy?

Or is it like Doc Rivers likes to say, that energy is a talent, and so it’s really not helpful to think of it as something separate from “tangible” talent?

It’s pretty obvious the Hawks’ energy level has increased during the playoffs. That has correlated with the Hawks allowing just 101.9 points per 100 possessions in the playoffs, 2.7 points better than during the season, and that’s including the outliers of Game 5 vs. Orlando and Game 3 vs. Chicago.

“I’ve been pleased because I feel like the guys have really bought in to what we are trying to do,” Al said. “It’s never going to be perfect but you can make up for certain mistakes and certain things [with energy] and I feel like we’ve been doing that.”

Certainly sound game plans against Dwight and D-Rose have been major factors in Atlanta’s success. Some favorable matchups have helped, too.

But I’m thinking Atlanta’s energy also has been important–and that’s coming from someone who rolls his eyes when players and coaches (and media types) use that word to explain unexpected performances when there are more obvious reasons.

“We are an energy team,” L.D. said today. “There are times we just come out and we just don’t play that way for some reason. We have the athletes. It’s just a matter of coming out with energy, and I am totally expecting that tonight.”

That’s always the question with the Hawks. Can you expect that tonight? Any night? Jamal summed it up yesterday:

“We’ve shown we can play with anybody, and some nights we can play with nobody. That’s the most frustrating part for us.”

Which version of the Hawks shows up depends on more than just how hard they play. But in the end, when the Hawks and Bulls are fighting for every possession to gain control of this grinding series, maybe that’s will matter the most.

“I expect us to come out and the effort will be there,” Al said. “I feel like we have been played well in this building two games. One night we had a great shooting night; the other night we struggled. But I think our effort was good. That’s my biggest thing. We need to come out and just play hard.”

Notes, quotes and links

  • L.D. said he’s likely to stick with the Twin lineup.
  • Bogans (ankle) will play.
  • Joe on the big moment: “It’s right there. It’s in our hands. We just have to focus in on winning another game in Chicago. It’s definitely possible. I am sure we can get it done.”
  • L.D. on if he’s happy about shot selection: “That varies game to game.”
  • L.D. on pressure: “They are one of the teams that was picked to come out of the East. A win here puts a tremendous amount of pressure on them to go back to Atlanta with us having a chance to close it out. I feel like the pressure is on them.”
  • L.D. on Bynum’s BS takedown of Barea: “We don’t condone those type fouls where you are taking people out of the air and really trying to hurt somebody. That’s not the way the game should be played. The game should be played with hard fouls, though. You are talking about fouls that are not going to injure people or hurt people or put in jeopardy of their careers being on the line.”
  • L.D. on matching up with Chicago: “Obviously Rose is the MVP of the league. What he accomplished this year is absolutely remarkable. Hats off to him. But looking at the rest of the roster–they have good players, solid players, good role players, guys that play really hard–and we like to feel we match up well against them. . . . Throughout this league there are certain teams you match up well with and some teams that give you problems, and we look at this as a team that we do match up well with, irregardless of what happened in the regular season. Looking at it man-for-man, we feel like we match up really well.”
  • Damien on Smoove: “We go as No. 5 goes. Joe is our go-to guy, but we go as No. 5 goes. The better he plays, the better we play. He can do so many different things. I wish he would do it all the time. That wasn’t even a great game for him [in Game 4].”
  • Jamal did a radio interview.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

945 comments Add your comment

truthspitter

May 10th, 2011
11:19 pm

We are done. What sense does it make to go back to Chicago? Why? just to get cheated again? Phuck this shi+. I will give them a pass if they quit in Game 6 because this shi+ is rigged anyway

chi

May 10th, 2011
11:19 pm

Ole Hawks Fan

May 10th, 2011
11:20 pm

JJ hold the ball too long dribbling when the double team comes………..get rid of the ball. You have three guys guarding 4. Plus you have to be a smart player too.

bigdave

May 10th, 2011
11:20 pm

Al Horford saying they need to work on not settling for jump shots.. how many times did he drive to hole?

maavelous

May 10th, 2011
11:20 pm

We be done. I, Marv, can’t get off the bench and I, Marv, am the greatest.

tjhook

May 10th, 2011
11:20 pm

And the deal is Marvin for Josh Childress (J Chill). Slasher, defender, utility guy who can play the two or three. Or maybe look into reacquiring Al Harrington from Denver. Just thinking out loud on the Harrington idea

Ole Hawks Fan

May 10th, 2011
11:21 pm

Chicago coach and D Rose talking about their Defense came up strong …………….that is a lie…………These Refs bail the Bulls out of this game tonight!

ronosl

May 10th, 2011
11:21 pm

Coach or Dominique or someone in the organization need to get fined before game 6 by complaining about the officiating where Rose is concerned. Those calls are mostly suspect… Just saying.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 10th, 2011
11:21 pm

“you need a star for this Hawks team to bail the team out when the other players cant get their games going and the Hawks dont have that. The Hawks overall have to play like those 2004-2009 Pistons where the sum are greater than their parts”

Exactly. In order to do that though, they have to continue to run their offense, move the ball, move off the ball, and get good shots. They can’t just put the ball in Joe Johnson’s hands and tell him to go one on five and win it the way the Bulls do with Derrick Rose. That’s the mistake they made to start the 4th.

MistaGamer

May 10th, 2011
11:22 pm

drmaryb…

I know, just saying if we really needed a point guard we should have sent Jamal and his expiring contract to the Wizards instead of Jordan. Oh well… spilled milk.

I just now that Jamal is Mr. Diminishing Returns. The more he has the ball in his hands the bigger risk you take with offensive execution and defensive prowess.

Guesswhosthis

May 10th, 2011
11:22 pm

Is it just me or did anybody else see the guy Omer Asik setting a lot of illegal picks. He’s always moving side to side or sticking his leg out to prevent Teague from fighting through the screens. If the refs start to call those, then we can gain a huge advantage when it comes to slowing down Rose. And the Hawks need to just keep running pick and rolls through Teague because that’s the only offense that’s working and looks like a real play. Everything else just looks like a sloppy mess.

truthspitter

May 10th, 2011
11:24 pm

I hope Al Quaida bombs David Stern

tjhook

May 10th, 2011
11:24 pm

Truthspitter,

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!!
. . . and somebody important to the Bulls (Rose, Gibson, thibideou) could get injured or thrown out the game.

bird

May 10th, 2011
11:26 pm

Jamal 1-9 2pts.. Ouch

truthspitter

May 10th, 2011
11:27 pm

tjhook

May 10th, 2011
11:24 pm

Truthspitter,

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!!
. . . and somebody important to the Bulls (Rose, Gibson, thibideou) could get injured or thrown out the game.

Phuck that cliche arse shi+. Why go back to Chicago just to get cheated again? You can stay in ATL and let them cheat like they did in GM4. They have shown well for themselves just quit while you are ahead

Najeh Davenpoop

May 10th, 2011
11:27 pm

One thing great coaches do across all sports is put their players in the position where they are most likely to succeed. Joe is at his best when he catches the ball inside the 3 point line, not when he has to create from the perimeter. Teague is at his best when he drives the ball into the paint from the perimeter.

LD is talking in his post game press conference about taking good shots. Well, if you run plays that maximize your players’ strengths, those good shots are much more likely to happen. If you want someone to catch the ball on the perimeter and get in the lane, give it to Teague, not Joe. If you want Joe to get the ball, run a play that allows him to get it in the mid range area instead of behind the 3 point line.

Paradise Lost

May 10th, 2011
11:27 pm

LOL @ Kenny Smith–If a guy gets hurt on a flagrant, the one who fouled should sit out the same amount of games…Kenny, my mom used that one on my brothers when they used to fight each other!

And Chuck thinks $700K is excessive? But Bynum just throwing out an elbow wasn’t excessive? If that happened on the street, it’d be called assault!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 10th, 2011
11:32 pm

I think the Bynum foul probably looked worse than it actually was because Barea is a midget. If he commits that foul on someone bigger I wonder if it looks as bad. I don’t have a problem with a 5 game suspension for Bynum, but I can see where Charles is coming from.

Guesswhosthis

May 10th, 2011
11:36 pm

Is it just me or did anybody else see the guy Omer Asik setting a lot of illegal picks. He’s always moving side to side or sticking his leg out to prevent Teague from fighting through the screens. If the refs start to call those, then we can gain a huge advantage when it comes to slowing down Rose. And the Hawks need to just keep running pick and rolls through Teague because that’s the only offense that’s working and looks like a real play. Everything else just looks like a sloppy mess.

ceeCee

May 10th, 2011
11:38 pm

I know the Hawks made horrible decisions to start the 4th quarter..but everytime it seemed we did the right thing and cut into the lead the refs bailed them out with ticky tack fouls….So even if we made good decisions the whistle would have just been blown more!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we pleaseget the ATLANTA media to call out the REFS..since LD wont do it! Thibodeau works the officials all game lng and in press conferences. COME ON AJC!!! Help your city out for once and put in the headline “REFS DECIDE GAME 6″ with the picture of Teague clearly getting fouled by D. Rose on that steal!! U can do it, or ru afraid of THE BIG BAD STERN AS WELL???????????

Paradise Lost

May 10th, 2011
11:51 pm

“If he commits that foul on someone bigger I wonder if it looks as bad.”

If Bynum commits it on ZaZa, Bynum would’ve dislocated his elbow.

I tend to like the large fines for things like that. It sends a message. If I got a $5 dollar fine for speeding, I’d drive 90 all the time. $25K for Bynum and most NBA players is change, one less pair of bling this season. $700K says something.

brigadierjerry

May 10th, 2011
11:53 pm

Josh Smith was hammered once, no call.

Teague has been hammered a few times, no calls.

Then Rose has some air blow on him as Horford passes by and they call it. Idiots.
I hate watching the Bulls.. outside of Rose, they are such bitches… they get waayy too into the game with their antics…. Deng, Noah, Gibson.. whether it be flapping their arms to the crowd or screaming in excitement after stupid plays, it’s almost irritating to watch them… I love watching them lose.
yelling when attacking the rim equals foul in the new nba
I think the Bulls are the one team I wouldn’t mind watching the Heat spank if the Hawks lose.

Wabe

May 10th, 2011
11:56 pm

Truth is…

It’s odd when you’re 2nd year PG whose tossed into a pivotal 2nd round series can get to the FT line more frequently than your ’superstar’ player.

I know Joe’s game doesn’t favor him getting to the line much. But dude really needs to make it a point to take that ball and draw contact by any means necessary when he (as the leader) feels this offense begining to stagnate. Force the issue. I’m tired of this aggressive Joe vs passive Joe bullstuff. Make it a point to remain aggressive, and even moreso when the clanked jumpshots and isolations stall the offense.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 10th, 2011
11:57 pm

Where is He?

Ever since Blake put Al on his back side, he has disappeared on offense.
He has completely stopped creating anything on offense.
If he’s not being set up? He is nothing.

He could be like Tim Duncan, if he would just go to the paint and show his hands for a pass, but he has no quick step nor post move.
Even his jump hook has left him. What a softie.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 10th, 2011
11:59 pm

I don’t mind Al not being dynamic on offense. He doesn’t have the low post game to be a go to offensive option and his automatic jumper has been hit or miss in the playoffs. I do, however, have a problem with his horrible help defense and his softness on D in general. Essentially the lane is wide open when Smoove exits the game, because Al refuses to block shots or commit hard fouls, and Zaza although he tries really hard doesn’t have the athleticism or length to be a factor when it comes to altering shots.

Slimjr

May 11th, 2011
12:01 am

The godfather, chief Gangsta has spoken, and his goons have responded!!!

Goodnight Atlanta Hawks.. Until we meet again next season……
Miami is going to dismantle Chicago!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

May 11th, 2011
12:03 am

Al reverted to Valet Parking Al, “he’ll escort you to the rim”..

Al=Alice……..allstar no more………………………..
Marvins twin from another mother…..Shoot………

Slimjr

May 11th, 2011
12:08 am

Last two games proved this “‘game” we call the NBA is rigged BIG TIME…………………………..

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

May 11th, 2011
12:13 am

The starting guard spot should Teague’s. It’s ironic that Hinrich played with young upstart pgs that wouldn’t be denied – Rose, John Wall and now Teague.

Slimjr

May 11th, 2011
12:15 am

“Al Horford…seriously…no comment.

I can’t even begin to name the boneheaded-ness and softness you displayed in that 4th quarter.”

Valet Parking Al is who I thought he was, Marvins twin from another mother….

doc

May 11th, 2011
12:17 am

dmb exactly and i have said it before, al is not the same guy that he was before blake decked him.

Slimjr

May 11th, 2011
12:19 am

“How in the world did horford make the allstar twice ? horford have not showed up in 1 playoff game.”

The 64 million dollar question?? Except for game 4 of this 2nd round, this buster has played like a stiff……..

LR

May 11th, 2011
12:20 am

i don’t see how ppl say that joe johnson didn’t show up to play clearly i guess yall wasnt looking at the game, this dude gets double and tripple every game, and yall expect sumthing to happen, and when he kicks it out nobody can shoot or drive except teague, the coach don’t know how to sub, do not use his bench properly, and the line up should be zaza, al, josh, joe, and teague, ya’ll gripe at joe cause he makes all the money, everybody with money not perfect, and at the end of the day he’s still getting paid regardless of what we say about this dude

Jae Evolution

May 11th, 2011
12:30 am

I still feel confident, that we can win this series, call me crazy Idc. We let them slip out of the gates and finally came back to end the 3rd, I thought there were some terrible no calls on our ends in the 2nd half especially. Jamal didn’t give us anything tonight and if he had this game would’ve been won.

I think we can win the next 2 first being a W at home on Thursday, and we already proved we can win in their arena I say we come out with a will like no other for Game 6 and tie the series, but it is easy to talk, they will no doubt want to prove it on Thursday.

Slimjr

May 11th, 2011
12:31 am

5 on 8 is not fair Mr. GANGSTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

joey

May 11th, 2011
12:34 am

1st the officiating was horrible in the 4th q in favor of the bulls, it didnt help the hawks offense got stagnant they need to let teague handle every possession and not every now and then, teague has showed us he will be a very good point guard that is being unleashed now. dont ever let jamal bring the ball up the court he slows down our offense to iso plays. if we run him and joe off screens and let teague drive and kick and pick and roll the hawks offense would not have crumbled,,,but i really do believe and how belived it for years that the nba wants to see the prime matchups with all the star player and they will do anything to make it happen. im a diehard hawks fan but could you imagine hawks and grizzles in the finals,,,, that nba would have a cow…………

joey

May 11th, 2011
12:41 am

hawks in 7 i do really i believe……………

mykhalc

May 11th, 2011
12:44 am

great effort i thought even tho Joe and Jamal tried to go back to that AAU ball…no AAU ball on thurs please!!! Zaza played big tonite…nice!!! and JT is killin’!!! dug Josh’s energy and play too!!! like i said, great on-the-road effort!!!

truthspitter

May 11th, 2011
12:48 am

I heard some bytch from the Atlanta Dream got on twitter and said for the Hawks to show some heart and leadership. I have never watched a WNBA game in my life. A woman is good for nothing to me. Sex is wack if you don’t want kids like me. So, I tell that bytch if you reading this go suck my dogs tool, Bytch.

O'Brien

May 11th, 2011
12:49 am

This was a winnable game, and we let it slip away. 15 points scored in the 4th reminds of the numerous droughts we had last season and this season. We also scored 15 points in the 4th quarter of game 3.

And its frustrating, because we were playing so well after the first quarter, only to come out and go ISO the first 2-3 possessions in the 4th.

We could have used Hinrich big time in this game. Teague has played over 40 minutes all 5 games, and I dont know how long he can keep it up. Also, Hinrich would have been a good alternative to jamal, who ended up playing 27 minutes, going 1-9 (although he did have 4 assists).

We still need help in the front court though, so I hope Rick (or the new GM) addresses it this offseason. Guys like Josh Powell and Joe Smith are not the answer.

truthspitter

May 11th, 2011
12:55 am

Hinrich is not going to make the refs call the game down the middle so he would not have helped tonite or in the series to be honest. Derrick Rose will get to the lane and he will get bogus calls, but he and the Bulls will get theres against D Wade and Lebron who will both be gettting those superstar calls. We would have atleast won a game against the Heat. The Bulls are going to get straight swept

shawn

May 11th, 2011
1:11 am

you guy are clueless we lost,because they out played us in the 4th stop blaming the ref this series has been called even hell the hawks have taken more ft than the bulls.thibs out coached LD tonight.
lets be honest rose has been getting fouled all series they have been giving our big the benifit of playoff ball so stop crying we still have friday however, teague has to get joe going in the first half if not were going to lose all three game teague lead in scoring we lost you get the picture! ld taking zsa zsa out was our dome.

truthspitter

May 11th, 2011
1:20 am

Any fool claiming this game or series has been called even is a phaggot with aids

Rusty

May 11th, 2011
1:20 am

I’m so sick of that idiot ld he caused us that game. Why the hell did he have jc play so much when he stank. Why in the world did he put the ball into jj’s hands in the 4 th quarter. Every time we let him take over the ball in the clutch is a sure recipe to lose. I have said this whole season that jt would make the difference,that dumb ass ld need to go & nortcyde JJ is a choker & ball hog who needs to justify that big salary too bad he can’t deliver.

shawn

May 11th, 2011
1:34 am

truthspitter do you watch basketball first the bull are 3-0 vs the heat and secondly the series has been called even some games the bulls got better calls some game the hawks got better calls.
the facts remain the hawks have shot more fts then the bull and chicago has had more fouls called against them then hawks sorry you hate facts. people remember it’s a game no need to name bash because you have no argument. it’s a game nothing more nothing less.