Atlanta Hawks: Video: Hawks-Bulls Game 4 recap

This is a very interesting read at ESPN about the Bad Josh/Good Josh syndrome.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=wallace_michael&page=bulls-hawks-110508

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same here, cant see the video

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Best team in Atlanta since ‘88….based on the regular season, this team is not the same team.

The difference has only been on the bench for 2 years…..

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Great article by Michael Wallace.

Please no more “Smoove”. We need more Josh Smith.

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Thanks for the link Rev. doc has been saying it for months. We need J Smash, not J Smoove.

One of the analysts made an interesting comment last night. They said Teague allows the Hawks to play the way they are built to play. Utilize their athleticism, and push the ball in transition.

With Bibby running the point (especially this year when he struggled big time), we didn’t have any athleticism at the point, and Bibby was not a threat to lead the fast break the way Teague has. He also was not a threat to penetrate, which opens things up.

Teague is averaging 12 pts, 3 assists and 1 turnover per game. I have been a big fan of his all year, but he has surpassed my expectations.

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Leave Marvin in Atlanta

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O’Brien,

LOL, doc has been saying that for the last 3 seasons. We went to one of the Heat /Hawks playoff games together in 09 and he was saying it back then.

Also, co-sign on Teague. He’s exceeding my expectations this series. I KNEW his defense would be fine but I didn’t think he’d be this consistent on offense.

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This series ended when the Hawks mailed it in Game 3. They are not going to win in Chicago again.

Here is the Hawks’ M.O.:
Everyone criticizes and doubts them. Results – tough inspired play.
Everyone praises and believes in them. Results – they get big heads, relax and get stomped.

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FTPB

“why can’t Josh play like this, after jacking a few in the first qtr from 20 ft and missing all but one, all the time. Josh is not dumb. You only have to listen to him answer questions in an interview to know he has “some” smarts. ”

Smoove’s problem has never been that he is dumb. It has always been that he is overconfident and stubborn. He doesn’t take bad shots because he doesn’t know any better; he does it because he wants to prove everyone wrong who says he can’t make them. In a way I think the crowd booing his jumpers might only encourage him.

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MC, not sure I should ask, but the prognosis on Hindrich? Is he out all series?

Not that I am not pleased with the current, because JT can handle the minutes and in no way does he have to be covered for on defense.
That’s the best part.

Everything went well in Game 4, and Joe didn’t have that great of a game, nor JC1. Now, can we go to CHI and make a monstrous statement in Game 5?
Watching Game 4, and IMO, Boozer and Noah inside isn’t enough to stop us. You saw Teague, Josh, Zaza, Al and Collins crashing the boards.

That Asik fella? He’s pretty good, and he is decent on defense. He made Marvin look like a rag doll on that one block. Marvin’s role should be smaller going forward.

Give me the big inside presence of Collins/Zaza/Thomas (is he still active?) and let Marvin go up against the 2nd unit in small increments.
But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Marvin make a bigger contribution come Tuesday; it has been about a week since he has made any impact.
Truthfully, Marvin at 6′9″ 240 lbs in the official roster? He plays more like 6′6″ because his shots get blocked way too often.

Damien should cut into his minutes immediately; when Damien is on the court, at least you know he is ON the court!

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Josh playing like last night, sans the 6 J’s, is not just an All Star, but one of the better All Star’s. Best PF in the East with the exception of maybe Amare. But maybe better than Amare in a lot of ways really.

And the refs were really terrible last night. We gotta be sore this morning all the times we hit the floor and No Call!!

And we look at DRose wrong and the whistle blows.

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I just hope LD overcomes his TDS – Teague Derangement Syndrome

It is good to have 2 quality PG’s you know LD? You can utilize 2 in 48 minutes, not just one. Easy to comprehend, right?

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ATL has the potential to pull off a trip to the Eastern Conference Finals. It will be up to Al and Josh to get us there in Games 5 and 6 because the refs are going to call a tight game. Josh and Al will have to respond with great rebounding and defense.

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LOL @ Jamal saying Teague played like a Professional. Teague has had a far better series than Jamal

MC, would it be possible to post the Video recap without a user reply section beneath or to edit that into the game blog (100-88)?

Too many blogs to monitor!

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We had 3 guys with 20+ last night. That is HUGE. We have 4 guys who can drop 20+ in a game.

GO HAWKS

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That lead “Blown Call in Playoff Game”

Yes – there were about 12 blown calls – 10 when Chicago should have been whistled for a foul and wasn’t including at least one flagrant on Noah against Josh – could’ve put Josh out of the series.

And a couple of touch fouls, one of which is making headlines.

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Rod – Josh is a mental case – admit it. We know you love him, but the truth is just the truth. Josh is not forced into taking any bad shots. It’s his choice. The Coaches know it. The fans know it. The pundit and national media know it. He sometimes knows it.

Only you don’t know it I guess.

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Rod – And when I say mental, I’m just talking about the Schizo basketball persona, not is personal life.

And about winning games, we win alot of games in spite of Josh also.

If the dude played the way he can, within himself – what a beast!

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Some quotes from a ESPN.com Micheal Wallace article, along with some comments

“Josh Smith Better When Not ‘Smoove’” May 9, 2011

“There was second-year point guard Jeff Teague, in the middle of the first quarter Sunday night, shouting back at an assistant coach after he was taken out of the game, presumably for a mistake he didn’t believe was his fault.”

There’s Teague’s inner dog! Rondo became an All Star doing that kind of stuff. Good job Teague!!

“t some point during a chaotic timeout early in the second quarter — after Hawks coach Larry Drew exchanged heated words with Smith as Johnson sat about two seats removed from the huddle and hung his head — this inconsistent and fragile team had come to a fork in the road.”

Wow, glad we didn’t quit

“Teague regained his confidence and, yet again, stared down Rose in the second half. Al Horford would finally show up and join the series already in progress.”

Good assesment

“ut none of those developments were bigger than The Transformation.

The good Josh Smith kicked the bad Josh Smith out of Philips Arena just in time for the Hawks to save themselves from themselves and make this a series again, one that is becoming increasingly more difficult for the Bulls to put away and prepare for the Eastern Conference finals.

If the Hawks refuse to cooperate with their own coaches at times, what makes you think they’ll comply with any sort of outside expectations and simply go away in this series? Instead, these knuckleheads are knocking heads with the Bulls and head back to Chicago for Game 5 on Tuesday far from finished.

And the much-maligned Smith is the reason why they fought their way into this position Sunday. Through three quarters, “J-Smoove,” Smith’s nickname and alter ego, had missed 11 of his 15 shots from the field and seemed to have neither a conscience nor remorse for jacking up the same ill-advised jumpers that his coach repeatedly has asked him to stop taking.

And then, in the fourth, J-Smoove left the building and Josh Smith finished the game. Same body. Same uniform. Same sweaty headband. Same striking resemblance to rapper The Game.

But different mentality. Different results. Smoove was awful, booed mercilessly by his hometown crowd with his father sitting courtside. Smith was cheered and revered the moment he appeared and took over the fourth by taking the ball to the basket.

Smith scored 11 of his 23 points in the fourth quarter and also added 16 rebounds, eight assists, two blocks, a steal and some stifling defense on Rose late as the Hawks closed the game on a 16-4 run. The Hawks really want to get rid of Smoove, and they almost did at the February trade deadline.

But this Smith dude that showed up in the fourth is the reason they keep holding on to him and continue to hold out hope that he’ll eventually mature into his better half on at least a semi-regular basis.”

Great analysis.

And did we really almost trade Josh at the deadline? Wow. Maybe those Curry/Beidrins rumors were more true than we thought.

“For Atlanta, it’s been a tale of two Joshes not even Charles Dickens can narrate.

For his part, Drew said he will bring Josh into the office again Monday and show him the tape of Sunday night’s performance, with Smoove starring in the first half and Smith playing a lead role and becoming the hero in the end.

“Josh knows,” Drew said. “When he rebounds, runs the floor and pushes the ball, he has an ability … a very unique ability. It sank in a little bit.”

Smith can keep the Hawks in this series and possibly help them engineer an upset.

Smoove might end up sending them on vacation.

Smith understood the situation well enough after Sunday’s game to say that he needed to “just make plays … do the things at [small forward] that [Luol] Deng does.”

And then, Smoove seized the moment again.

“The media tries to T.O. me,” Smoove said in a reference to controversial NFL receiver Terrell Owens, comparing the level of perceived negative criticism they receive.

A moment later, Hawks media relations director Arthur Triche stepped in to cut off the postgame interview just as another question was being asked.

No sense in allowing Smoove to get the final word on a night Smith saved for the Hawks.”

Great way to end the article!

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Is there any chance we can force D. Rose LEFT tomorrow and not fall for his spin moves?

Let’s see him finish on the left side (Teague can)

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I was glad for the blown call. After many years of following the Hawks, they FINALLY GOT THE BENEFIT OF A BLOWN CALL. Big deal. I tell you what. I HOPE THAT THE HAWKS LEARNED LAST NIGHT, PARTICULARLY JOSH SMITH, THAT GOOD THINGS HAPPEN TO THE TEAM AND THE RESULTS AND OUTCOMES ARE GOOD WHEN YOU PLAY THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY. Last night in the fourth quarter late in the game, Derrick Rose missed four layups AND had two turnovers because Teague was pestering him and covering him so well. Also we got the benefit of a blown call BECAUSE ROSE SHOT AT THE THREE POINT LINE WAS CONTESTED. If Rose had been left alone he probably would have made the shot. Think about that the game was hanging in the balance at 84-84 and could have gone either way, THE HAWKS CLOSED OUT THE BULLS 16-4 and won 100-88. Thats incredible but that is how games are to be closed out on the biggest of stage with the whole world watching you. I COULDNT BE MORE PROUDER OF THE HAWKS. THEY PLAYED LIKE CHAMPIONS LAST NIGHT. Hopefully this magnificent performance will carryover on Tuesday night in Chicago. Play well in Chicago and the Hawks will have the opportunity to close out Chicago on Thursday. LAST POINT, FOR A TEAM THAT HAS TROUBLE CLOSING OUT TEAMS IN THE REGULAR SEASON AND PLAYOFFS FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS, THE HAWKS HAD A TESTBOOK, FAIRY TALE ENDING THAT RESULTED IN THE BEST MASTERPIECE PERFORMANCE THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN THE HAWKS PULL OFF IN THE PLAYOFFS. OUTSTANDING.

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MARVIN=THE SHORTEST BIG MAN IN NBA HISTORY..PG’S ROUTINELY BLOCK HIS ISH………WOW..

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LOL @ Slimjr.

Dude got stuffed twice by Jameer Nelson in the Orlando series. JAMEER NELSON THE RUNNING BACK

I never see Marvin’s name in any articles or blogs (on the most part) because he is an invisible, irrelevant, and useless basketball “player.”

Dude has 10 points in a game and people here are jubilant

GTHOH

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“i have a girl friend from czech”

Does she have sister????? LOL

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I was shocked to see the Lakers lose the game and their cool the way they did. But give credit where credit is due.

The reason they behaved the way they did is because they don’t have the locker room presence of Josh Powell

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Marvin= virtual 5′7″

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I hear ya KevinM..We should have taken Devin Harris if JeJe was correct that the Nets offered for Marvina….

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*force Marvin to be the 7th option.

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The only problem with that article is that J-Smooove IS THE GOOOD JOSH SMITH

Josh SMITH is the LAZY bum we don’t want.

Wallace took a nickname that wads given to Josh by the fans and totally flushed it down the toilet!

When Josh is Dunking, Blocking, shots and making preat passes you hear J-SMOOOVE!

When Josh is chucking jumpers you hear NOOOOOOO Josh!!! Nooooo!

Wallace is an idiot who needs to get his facts straight! That was probably the first Hawks game that clown has EVER wathced in this life!

What gives that clown the right to tarnish the name we fans have given him for his good play?

Smith was on ESPN First Take this morning and he said Quote “I played like J-Smoove last night”

End of discussion

Wallcace should be FIRED!

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nire, that is a perfect assessment of what the image is of that moniker , back alley sh!t. get me a man out there that wants to ball like j smash dammit.

slim jr. yeah, but not here. heh heh

mike is back, i have not been riding on collins for a while now. he plays up to his ability better than any player on the team. it doesnt mean we dont need another legit big which i have been screaming for and was more my point rather than a personal attack on him. other good teams have four bigs and two legit points why not us for years? last year, i thought he was underplayed and it was unfair when he was put in especially against the magic. he has contributed this year because he was in shape and got some p,t and maybe not enough. look between boozer, gibson. noah and the other big they were eating our lunch. neither josh nor al match up to them alone because one is too big to move and just pushes josh around in boozer (two butt bumps on josh and he has travelled 6 ft and into the lane and ,delivered it into the basket) and noah’s is a 7 ft energizer bunny that is strong below the waist and with long arms and doesnt give up with his quickness. as neither al and josh nor any other hawk doesnt box out ever, that is a very bad combination. if collins and zaza dont see more of the court we are done.

i did like the scramble defense and wonder why it wasnt used earlier like about game,, uh one? or certainly once bibby was gone. geez what a liability he was to this team.

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to follow niremetal’s point, after enjoyin’ Josh’s performance and the team’s performance last nite, just listenin’ to his post game and First Take interview this morning, all i can say is the Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde has gone NOWHERE!!! he is who he is…

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no, sm**ve is the cool show boater, alter ego. sorry, it is the bum on the street. josh is the guy his mother raised and his dad has sheparded through his adulthood.

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“Rod – Josh is a mental case – admit it. We know you love him, but the truth is just the truth. Josh is not forced into taking any bad shots. It’s his choice. The Coaches know it. The fans know it. The pundit and national media know it. He sometimes knows it.

Only you don’t know it I guess.”

I guess I just pay attention more than most of you. So Josh shooting jumpers is a bad shot? Have you watched the Hawks all year? Josh has been shooting jumpers all year long. I have heard LD say many times that as long as Josh takes the shot in the flow of the offense, its not a bad shot. Everyone bashed Josh on his comment that he talks to Drew about what a good shot is. Hell, I consider myself to be a decent basketball mind, and I don’t even know what a good shot is on this team. Is it only a good shot if he makes it? Is it a bad shot because he misses it? The head coach won’t stay with a consistent lineup. He runs an offense that has Josh along with our starting center standing out beyond the 3 point line. Everyone now says guys should be cutting to the basket. I have not seen Marvin, Josh or Horford cut to the basket consistently this whole year. So now we should be doing something we have not been doing all year?

Do I think Josh is a mental case? No. I think the whole team has mental problems. I feel as Najeh feels that Josh is overconfident, and has problems handling his emotions. I feel like Horford and Marvin are extemely passive. I feel like Joe is to calm, and needs to show more emotion especially since he is the leader of the team. I feel like LD is too calm as well. He a’int Phil Jackson. Notice the change in his persona during the playoffs. Now he is calling guys out, and screaming and actually standing up during the game. Totally opposite from what he has been doing all year. I grew up on the southside of Atlanta with cats that act just like Josh Smith, maybe that’s why I am not as outraged as some fans are. One thing I know about players like Josh is that they need structure. You also can’t continue to harp on his issues and faults as a coach, and not hold guys like Horford and Marvin, and Joe accountable. He will lose respect for you, and turn into the Josh that a lot of you don’t like. He basically said as much in the press conference yesterday. He feels like everyone is trying to T.O. him, and if you want to put all the blame on him, he’ll take it. He is aware that he plays on a team with a bunch of guys who have very fragile ego’s, and he knows that he is one of the only guys who can take critisism, because he is used to it. It’s really not that hard to understand. He thrives on being the bad guy, but just does not have the skills to back it up. The thing that I like and respect about him is that he is not scared. I was raised the same way, so I understand it. I would prefer a guy who is not scared and will try his best and never quit, than guys like Joe (sometimes), Marvin, and Horford (in the playoffs) who play scared, and rarely show emotion.

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Booo – Yea, I don’t mind the nickname at all, and call Josh “Smoove” a ton. But the substance of the article is what I liked.

But yea, I know what Wallace was doing with the contrast of Smoove/Josh, but his nickname is fine.

If he will just fix the other stuff, we’re ok.

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Collins and Teague in the starting line up make this team more balance with speed and physicalness, collins set the tone early in the game and teague finished it, you can’t have a starting five that just depend on jumpshots or you loose every time.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks Rev for the link

LOL, Many of Josh’s so-called bad shots are only called “bad” because they’re not falling. When one did fall, no-one called it a “bad shot”. That was often a repeated case during the regular season as Rod from (CP) indicated . Having it said though, the writer referencing LD comment has merit:

“Now is no time to be experimenting with your limitations,” Drew said regarding what his message has been to Smoove-Smith during those heart-to-headband talks.”

Josh’s issues have always been the timing of his adventures, more so than anything else. If your opponent, for example, makes a 9-0 run and your team desperately needs a basket, (agreed) that would not be the time “to be experimenting with your limitations”.

But Josh’s reaction to the media profiling negatively like Terrell Owens (TO) also has merit. The media (in a clever way) used comments from Josh’s coaches and teammates to jab at him. If the Hawks had loss Game 4, then comments like this writer would have weight.
But instead the Hawks won the game and now questions should be raised about the media frequent infatuation with Josh’s character and perimeter shooting slump. Westbrook appears to be in a shooting slump and hijacked a victory for the Thunders. Did he get the Josh (TO) treatment? The media doesn’t seem interested in framing him negatively like Josh. Actually, all NBA players experience shooting slumps so Josh is no exception. Like most, Josh’s intention is in the right place; he is simply trying to shoot himself out of his slump. But as previously stated, his adventures often happen at the “wrong time”.

Like most NBA writers and pundits during the post season, they are all looking to “cash-in” on sensational articles to write that will gain attention. Apparently, at least for now, Josh Smith bashing is a best seller. Even after he had a monster night, these writers, (a combination of Hawks Haters and over zealous writers), will still cast him negatively.

A word from Hawksville to Josh Smith: Keep your head up. Yes, it’s smart to pay attention to your coaches and teammates but The HELL with everybody else regarding your game.

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Josh Smith saved the day & one bad official call that finally went our way. J-Stupid was in the building early in regards to the offensive side. Josh was in the process of stacking the score sheet. It was clear he was making contributions in the game, but giving it back with the outside jump shots…missing all but one.

Finally, J-Smart showed up to help on the offensive end, rebounding, handing out dimes & controlled offense in the paint.

Josh all you have got to do is remmember the formula for your success…J-Stupid on the PERIMETER & J-Smart in the PAINT…FORGET THE J-SMOOVE….it’s that simple you will be a perenial ALL-STAR…dude you almost had a Triple Double!!!!!

Now Take It On The Road….Feet in the Paint!!!

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If we had a Josh that did not quit ever, we would not be having this discussion right now probably.

Except for the bad shots. Josh is near unstoppable near the rim. He made plays last night I never see people make, ever, at all.

He’s a beast, except for his shcizo good Josh/bad Josh persona.

He plays to his strengths, he’s top 20 or maybe 15 in the League. He doesn’t, he’s a disaster,and will cost you as many games as he wins.

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here’s what gets me about Josh…if he KNOWS his skill-set can get him to rim, say 90% of the time, with success, then what is so damn hard about that becomin’ your mission??? again, somehow with him and Hawks, this simple knowledge and execution is rocket science…SMDH

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And I am a massive Smoove fan, but I can’t overlook truth when I see it, even from one of my favorite players

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and to add…LD and his staff can show some growth by NEVER puttin’ Marvin in the startin’ lineup again…PERIOD!!!

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SteveW, I agree

Doc, Can’t do it……theres nothing “Smoove” about bricking jumpers. Josh does that.

^Talking about Smoove in terms of alter ego’s is weird….and funny.

“well, at least folks care enough to notice josh and care enough to say something about how good his game could be. yes all star like. remember, he could be forgotten and quietly out of the discussion where marvin has landed as maybe hopeless. if he wants ot become the leader and all star then he has t play to his many strengths and not his ego that urges him to show people how his limitations are not as great as they think they are.”

Completely agree here. We gotta keep rding the guy until he plays to his potential. Duck-Booy needs to be GIVEN AWAY. Hopefully it will happen this off-season so we can sign Tayshhaun or trade for Iggy.

Marvin, Kirk, 2nd rounder, and future 1st for Iggy anyone?

Then again with us going big do we really need another SF is Smooove plays to his strenghts?

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680thefan ALWAYS interviews marvin williams and they never, ever, ever, ask him why he sucks so bad…

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WE HAVE STAYED EVEN WITH THE BULLS IN THIS SERIES AND JAMAL CRAWFORD HASNT STARTING LIGHTING IT UP YET. WHEN JAMAL GETS GOING, LOOK OUT. JAMAL IS USUALLY CONSIDERED THE DIFFERENCE MAKER ON THIS HAWKS TEAM, BUT IN THIS SERIES IT HAS BEEN TEAGUE AND JOSH SMITH. IT LOOKS LIKE THE HAWKS ARE GROWING UP FAST AND BECOMING GREAT COLLECTIVELY AS A TEAM. GO HAWKS, CRUSH BULLS IN 6. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CAN YOU BELIEVE THE HAWKS ARE ONLY TWO WINS AWAY FROM PLAYING IN THE EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS. THATS AWESOME AND IT MAKES ME REALIZE THAT IT WAS MIKE WOODSEN WHO WAS HOLDING THE TEAM BACK. WOODSEN WAS JUSTIFIED IN GETTING FIRED LAST SEASON.

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Marvin^^^^

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If Lionel Hollins was coaching this team we’d win this thing tomorrow night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“If not, the Hawks will continue to get cheated out of their draft pick by the no-talent bum named MARVIN WILLIAMS.”

The Hawks got CHEATED…………………………………….

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I still am amazed at Josh Smiths game last night. I could see that Josh was determined to PLAY THE RIGHT WAY. On several interior drives into the paint, Josh was struggling to get in there and was throwing up WILD shots that were missing. He kept doing though, and ended up on the free throw line, helping his team score and making the right decisions. JOSH SHOULD REVIEW THE TAPE OF LAST NIGHTS HAWKS GAME ABOUT 10000 TIMES AND TRY AND BURN THIS VIDEO INTO HIS SUBCONSCIOUS MIND.

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if you buy a box of bricks off the street, thinkin’ its a 54-in plasma, who was the fool, you or the guy you purchased it from. THE HAWKS ORGANIZATION DIDN’T DO THEIR HOMEWORK

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MARVIN WILLIAMS FOR PRESIDENT TO REPLACE BARACK OBAMA. WHY? THE HAWKS ARE STILL PLAYING BECAUSE OF THE GREAT MARVIN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MARVIN FOR SAVING OUR SEASON AND SAVING US FROM BEING THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF THE NBA.

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@antbanks I hear ya..The SlumLord went #5 actually ahead of rondo and rudy.. Billy Knight professed to be the “Basketball Expert”…

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@ant banks…yep on Hawks draftin’ prowess…

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Be careful how you slam Billy Knight. The Hawks are only 6 wins from playing in the NBA FINALS. IF THE Hawks continue to play out of their minds, they might just win their first NBA title. Then you will change direction and say what a wonderful guy Billy Knight is for assembling our dynasty. BE CAREFUL HOW YOU BASH BILLY KNIGHT. Billy is looking pretty good right now as the Hawks continue their ascension toward NBA greatness.

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Don’t usually but agree this time with much of what Rod stated: If LD does not want Josh shooting jump shots then don’t put him in a space position. He is constantly on the same side of the floor as a post up guy…or diagnol opposite…i.e. prime space positions for shooters. Often because they take so long to get into a set if the ball is kicked he has to shoot it. Obviously there are occasions in which he shoots early and those are bad shots and ones in which he needs to be held accountable but there are also shots he shoots that are a function of poor spacing and design

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JANIS

HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE LEFT ON THIS TEAM THAT NIGHT DRAFTED? HOW DO THEY IMPACT THE TEAM?

1.JJ, ripped the organization apart. we gave two 1st round picks for him. belkin thought it was too much (he was right, phoenix couldn’t re-sign him anyway).

2.Childress? marginal player when here. went overseas and to phoenix and did NOTHIN’.
3.Speedy Claxton? 30mill over 4 years for 30 games.
4.AJ? gave up a 2nd rounder for him
5.Marvin? PULEEZE!!
6.Josh Smith KUDOS!!
7.Acie Flaws? yeah, right.
8. Sheldon? yeah, right, then we traded him for bibby. could had roy/gay

JANIS DO YOU REALLY WANT TO ANALYZE BILLY KNIGHT’S AFFECT ON THESE/MY HAWKS?

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JANIS,

phoenix took robin lopez wit’ that pick that we GAVE them for jj.

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SteveW,

“Rod – “I would prefer a guy who is not scared and will try his best and never quit”

Josh quits constantly for long stretches. I guess you don’t watch the games that close? Surely you’ve seen that.”

So again if Josh quits constantly for long periods in your eyes, the please explain to me what Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, and Al Horford do. What has Al Horford done this entire series. Has he been playing and going all out for the whole series. What about Joe, when he scores 30 one night and 8 the next. Does Marvin give more effort than Joe on a consistent basis. You continue to say how much Josh is you favorite player, but you want to hold him accountable for everything and give other players a pass. You said Horford is playing bad because he is “Tired”. talk about excuses, it’s the palyoffs. Why does a guy that’s not an all star get held to such a high standard?

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Great move putting Josh on Deng..Deng was clearly frustrated trying to guard Josh at times.The challenge got into his head alright….Dont change it up if its working like drmaryb said in a previous blog, make the opponent make the correction, until then stick with whats working… Duh????????????????

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Ant Banks

Yeah man, with every game, win and loss the entire dynamics of the series changes. The historical and statistical aspects of the teams winning pace kicks in and history pretty much does repeat itself.

Tied at 2 games each after 4 games pretty much tells us that these two teams are evenly matched, then home court does become a factor.
Problem with that is, the Hawks are a better road team, because the home court fans are very transient.

These Hawks play better and more together on the road, but we can’t discount sleeping in your bed and eating your own food on big game noghts. The Hawks are not greater than the sum of their parts.

Together on 3! 1 – 2 -3 ….. “TOGTHER!”

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“GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”

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And to bring Marvin into a discussion about Josh Smith is just weird.

So are trying to tell me Josh plays just as well when he pouts, complains, jogs up the court for long stretches, makes his guys play 4 on 5, when he mentally checks out, as he was in the 4th quarter last night? You don’t see the 2 Josh’s Rod?

Maybe something in the water in College Park.

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I am so excited about the Hawks, I just cant sit still for one minute. JOSH “SMOOTHE” PLAYED THE GAME OF HIS LIFE LAST NIGHT. Last night, Josh Smith looked as good as either LaBron James or Dwayne Wade. That is what i have been saying all along. WHEN JOSH PLAYS UNDER CONTROL, IT IS LIKE YOU ARE ADDING D-WADE OR LABRON TO YOUR ROSTER. Pretty good additio, huh. Of course when Josh is launching is reckless 3-s all over the perimeter, then is looks like a “Druken Marvin Williams”. Thanks Josh, great ball game last night. We need two more like that from you in this series to close out the Bulls.

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@MC, i like the video idea immensely but it makes my iphone worthless for accessing anything as it freezes once a video shows up. keep it up as you maybe multi-talented and be able to both talk and type words into a usable form.

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boo, j smash throws elbows and sacrifices his body not bricks. smoove shoots jumpers and keeps himself clean, rested and ready for the next game forgetting the one he is in. it is in the connotation.

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LOL@ that Chicago article that drmaryb posted.

So we play playground basketball, but the Bulls, who have one guy taking 40% of the Bulls shots, are a “team oriented” offense that is a better team from top to bottom?

Get The F–k Outta Here

And I agree with drmaryb about MC’s coverage. While I disagreed with his stance on JJ during this series ( until his write-up last night ), he is a very good professional writer. He doesn’t resort to tabloid-style writing to get his point across. And he doesn’t trash and bash the other team while trying to make his point.

I like that article though. I hope the Bulls themselves feel exactly the same way that sportswriter does. Maybe they’ll come in complacent and “let us” win Game 5 as well.

If everybody played up to their ability, Chicago still has the best player in the series in Rose. But we have the 2nd – 5th best players in JJ, Smith, Horford, and Jamal. And while the Bulls bench is better, they’re not necessarily reliable either.

Rose has taken 27 – 27 – 27 and 32 shots in this series. That’s 28.3 shots a game. And that doesn’t include the shots in which he gets fouled on, that doesn’t count as an official shot attempt. Nor does it count the times in which Rose is looking to shoot, but turns the ball over before he can get his shot up.

But we’re the ones playing playground basketball? Their main guy simply comes down and looks to shoot on just about every possession.

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Mannnnnn if this fool don’t start the “big” lineup tomorrow SMGDH…….

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Ant Banks!

Who ever wins game 5 will win the series.
Worldwide said Hawks in 7! I sure hope he’s right, but I hope we do it in 6!

So far, Clyde has been MONEY! I’m puttin’ 5 on Clyde.

Let’s Go!

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Has LD even mentioned Marvin’s name since the Playoffs started? If he has, I cant recall. I did hear Thibs say that Marvin was one of the most underrated players in the league. lol. Perhaps we can deal him to Chicago for Gibson(backup pf) or, that big russian dude. Hell, I’d trade his butt for that Michael Jordan statue in front of the United Center.

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Ant Banks, Shellhead went 5th believe it or not.

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Freezer to Fryer!

doc, your i-phone freezes? Well, my B-Berry doesn’t even wake up to the challenge. I click on it and nothing happens. Reminds me of my last
boy friend! LOL!

My PC will run it, but by the time I go there, it’ll be old hat.
He he …
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@northcyde…see that’s exactly the problem in drinkin’ too much of the koolaid!!! some of us can enjoy the ride and still discuss what ails this team…

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Marvin for Larry Johnson…..

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Sund got us Jamal(the closer), and Collins(the Dwight stopper). He got rid of Bibby(the liability), and Mo(the bum). He drafted Teague, JC2, and Pape Sy(2nd rd). He also signed a decent coach for around 10 bucks. I know he got rid of JC2, but if he plans on resigning Jamal, there was no room for him anyway. Not bad Ricky. Not bad at all. Get rid of Marvin this summer, and you get my vote for GM of the year.

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yo doc and drmraryb…all i can say is ANDROID!!!

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Nah mykhalic

You guys are just so used to hating and complaining about the Hawks, that you don’t know anything other to do than to hate. Marvin has been a non-factor for some time now. He’ll show up every now and then, like in the Orlando series. So why not just accept that, and move on?

You guys are beating a dead horse, and keep beating that horse until you crack the dead horse’s skull. Then you STILL keep beating the horse.

Enjoying the biggest win in 23 years is not “drinking the kool aid”. It’s simply giving credit to the guys who got it done last night. And I can do that without bashing Marvin Williams ( who did contribute last night on the defensive end ).

You guys simply love to spew negativity, even after a great positive.

And that’s the truth.

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Northcyde, what good would a blog be if everyone was happy? lol

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terrell,

Dang! I’m all for basking in the sunlight of last night’s win but don’t stare into the direct sun too long; it will make you say things that you don’t really believe.

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Yeah, grasshopper has improved over his master….LOL^^^^^^^^

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but it took an injury to do it, sometimes its good be lucky?^^^^^^^

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Slimjr,

It is my hope that Miami gets embarrassed by the celtics so I’m not really pulling for Bosh to do anything but play like Alice.

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@northcyde…here’s a question for ya…would it bother you as a fan if Marvin is in the startin’ lineup tomorrow after seein’ the results of last nite’s lineup and PT??? i’m guessin’ it would…at least to some degree, right? well it’s these type of possible moves that we Hawks fans CONSTANTLY have to put up with this franchise…STUPID MOVES!!! so while you can continue to bask in last nite’s win, which i was totally stoked to watch their team performance, i also know more than anythin’ else that that win will probably be followed by somethin’ stupid!!! and that ain’t hatin’ man…that is life as a Hawks fan. and if that’s not your experience then consider yourself lucky…or immune

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Josh Smith on booing #Hawks fans: “They expect a lot out of me but they have to understand I’m a human being.”

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MC,

You absolutely HAVE TO ASK JJ ABOUT THIS!!!

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2011/5/9/2162329/2011-nba-playoffs-video-joe-johnson-breaks-keith-bogans

OOOhh Weee! Broke dem Ankelz!

Ahahaha! Bogans had to limp to the back and get re-taped! That was EPIC!

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SteveW,

“And I’m a Smoove fan. Trust me. Just not a blind one”

Stop it with the I’m a fan of Josh stuff. No you are not. If you were a fan of Josh you would take the good with the bad, and not blame all of the Hawks problems on him. It’s the classic, I’m not racist, because I have black friends answer.

“And if Al complained about phantom calls, took halves off, jacked up horrible shots in 80 out of 82 games on a consistent basis, of course I would call him out also.”

So you mean to tell me that you have been watching the Hawks every game in these playoffs, and Al has not taken any halves off. Are we watching the same games? I just realized that he was still on the team yesterday. So you would rather him pass up multiple open looks, and not even try to score or take a bad shot? But your exuse for Al is that he is “Tired”. Your hatred of Josh is so strong that you don’t even realize how hypocrital you are. Again I ask you, in your opinion what is a bad shot for Josh Smith? Is it any jumpshot? Is it any 3 pointer? Or is it any jumpshot that is not in the flow of the offense as LD has been saying all year?

“JJ, Marvin, and Al don’t discombobulate when they make a bad play, or get a real or perceived bad call.”

Marvin and Al don’t make bad plays because they have been playing scared for most of the playoffs. It’s hard to make bad plays if you don’t try. JJ never complains about anything good or bad. Do Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnnson and Jamal Crawford, play with more effort and energy than Josh Smith?

“And to bring Marvin into a discussion about Josh Smith is just weird.”

What’s so weird about it? One player has worked to improve his game to become a respected player in the league straight out of high school, with “mental issues” as you say, and is villified by the fans and the media, and the other was drafted to be one of the best players in the NBA, has not worked, has not improved his game in any way over 6 years, and is let off the hook by everyone except for a few bloggers on this blog. He starts just like Josh, he has been given the same opportunities, was supoposed to be better, and is probably the worse small forward in the NBA.
Just admit you dislike Josh because he is a “thug” and he is the cause of all the Hawks problems and move on. Al Horford, Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson can do no wrong to you, and they play the right way. So be it. I disagree.

SlimJr and Jeje bash Josh all the time. You don’t see us arguing back and forth all day because they also bash All Star Al, Joe, Bibby. They destroy Marvin, like he deserves to be destroyed, so they don’t look like hypocrites. You sir are a hypocrite. Josh is all things that is wrong with the Hawks (The Devil), and All Star Al is all thats right (God). LOL

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Are you saying that there is someone out there who still believes in regular contributions from Marvin? Me, once a week at best is when Marvin produces. He should have a contractor’s agreement and get paid for the actual work that he does as opposed to getting paid for just being in the lineup.

So much money going down the drain with Marvin….we were lucky to move Bibby. Him being gone has changed the moxie of this team. What is our record since Bibby has moved on? I know its better in the playoffs without him, and it took 2 #1 draft choices and Mo Evans for someone to take him. We will be in the same scenario with Marvin.

As for the team that comes out Tuesday? None of us know who will be focused. This is the most important game since the ‘88 Hawks lost in a Game 6 to the Celtics. It has been too long for most of us to even remember, but the Hawks had every edge in that series and couldn’t come together. It was Nique and pieces, similar to what DRose has in CHI.

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2 Lives Stews!

They were talking about Bosh and his 6pts 5 rebs in that game 3 loss to Boston. Bosh said he was, “Nervous.”

I bet he wasn’t Nervous when he signed that Max – Contract.
Ryan said, “How can you open your mouth and say you were too scared to play basketball, when that’s what you do for a living? Are you scared to eat and sleep too?” – paraphrased -

I wonder does Marvin played scared too? Josh sure as heck ain’t scared.
The Bulls better put that lolli-pop newspaper down and don’t believe their hype either. Be arrogant if you will, but, pride is before a crash!

See Lakers. I’m just sayin’. Noah looked very concerned last night, because they played their best and it wasn’t good enough against this Hawks team clicking on a North Star Engine with 32 valves.

That’s a Cadillac for those of you who don’t know engines.
That North Star is the equivalent of a 747 running on jet fuel on earth
with gravity! I know, my Grand-Father owned a car dealership when I was a kid. I know engines. The Hawks looked like a machine last night!

That’s some scary stuff. Why can’t we play like that every night?

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Answer: WHY THE HELL HASN’T THIS KID BEEN PLAYING?

Can someone please answer me this?

Allow me Madame Curie.
In the Association playing time is based primarily on financial, practical and political considerations. The stars generate the most revenue-ticket and merchandise sales; the starters are the players who in the judgement of the coach(s) and others best fit into the particular franchises program and then there are those players who either make the coach happy or offend him in some manner-chocking him comes to mind.

In cases like the ownership of the Hawks, financial issues seem to be a substanial part of the decision making process. While M-V-Teague was drafted in the first round as a potential starter, one Mike Bibby,who at the time was the highest paid player on the team at $15 million per annum, was the incumbent at the point guard position and was reportedly well regarded by the then HC,a Mr. Woodson. ( In fact it has been suggested that the arrival of Mr. Bibby saved Mr. Woodson’s job,albeit temporarily)
Fast forward to today and you now have Captain Kirk coming aboard at a not unsubstanial $9 million salary and once again, there is the matter of money.
Hope that my SWAG offered some insight.

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Smoove is getting a lot of attention beyond the usual Hawks-related places today. Here’s another interesting take on him. First time I have heard Smoove compared to Charles Barkley.

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JeJe for Poster of the Decade! Mmmmwah! that’s my baby boy right there.
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ILL-LOGICAL

Great answer with political correctness! that’s a shame. That’s like a black man going to court and praying to God that Lady Justice really is blind. But, we all know that bytch is peeking under that blind fold. Solution: stay your black azz out of court! LOL!

ILL-LOGICAL, that’s a shame that saving face takes priority over winning games. And, they said, “It was not excessive force being used on Rodney king.” The biggest lie I ever heard.
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Let’s Go Hawks! I got a real sneaky feeling the Real Hawks are gonna show up tomorrow night. Someone, reported the team was very quiet and somber before last nights triumph.

That is addition by subtraction, when they got rid of the “silliness” of Bibby and replaced it with the “heart” of Kirk Hinrich who is a no nonsense type of guy. Sprinkle that with some Teague?

Now, The Hawks cooking with Hot Fish Grease! You heard?

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I just love this blog. Apart from a few crazies that make the same, multiple posts all the time, Hawks fans on this blog are very insightful, smart and even funny. Dr. Mary might be the funniest.

I go to other blogs and they are just a bunch of misguided, unable to spell souls hammering out gibbish. Keep it up, MC and Hawks fans.

I know a lot of you are salivating about Hawks having a chance to reach the ECF, but let’s slow our roll a little and take it game by game. We all know the team that we have and nobody on this planet can figure out which Hawks/Josh will show up, so let’s not get too carried away, let’s see what happens in game 5. I believe whoever wins game 5 will take the series.

I am happy and proud that Hawks are 2-2 versus the team with the best record in the league. I am happy that The Teaguer is playing so well and ganering national attention. I am glad that Hawks were able to, at least for another game, shut up TNT and ESPN crews that always show the negatives about us. To tell the truth, Inside The NBA is not as funny or good as it used to be.

Having said that, Let’s Go, Hawks!

Can’t wait for game 5! Hawks have nothing to lose while the Bulls have everything to lose.

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JeJe, a memorable play and Josh was being ‘bail-out Josh’ as he is known when the shot clock winds down…he just sits out there and slings it up!

Well, we take the good with the bad….the only question is if you had to choose between Josh and Al, who stays and who goes? We still need more size inside.

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Smoove defies critics, invents new words

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Upgrade!

“yo doc and drmraryb…all i can say is ANDROID!!! ”
-mykhalc-
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Hey doc, I got 5 on it …
Looks like we got to put that Android on lay-a-way!
The price of technology these days, we should be straight just in time for X-Mas. LOL!

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Najeh,

I don’t know what to make of Josh’s interview. He was very candid and believes everything he said. I really liked him in the interview. He is very personalable, but it confirms the worst of what people have been saying on the blog. He takes stubbornness to a whole new level. But I still don’t think he is any more stubborn than Drew when it comes to playing Teague during the regular season.

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Word on Da Street!

I heard today on the 2 Live Stews, that allegedly:

There is some ISH going on in Hollywood, CA. Pau Gasol wife has left him because Vanessa Layne Bryant got in her ear and told her Pau has been doing “The Monkey Business” on the road.

Ok! Hold the laughs for a few seconds. But didn’t that biatch Kobe, throw Shaq under that exact same bus when he was questioned by the Colorado Investigators some years back?

And, who the hell gave the “Purple Diamond Ho” a pass on forgiveness versus non-forgiveness? Ahem … Didn’t she hold out for a matching Purple Necklace to seal the deal? I mean, she didn’t leave her man, so how is she gonna’ tell Mrs. Gasol anything at all?

That’s why “snitches” get “stitches! That right there – Allegedly.
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Chirp Chirp! (that’s the smallest cricket playing the smallest violin)
Man, these personal sex-capades sure have a way of ruining these play offs, don’t they? Last year it was Delonte’ and Gloria James.

Eewee … Pau? It must be the money … Cause I just don’t see it, dude is ugh … gross and definitely not something I would do – no Swagg. LOL!

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Rod – “f you were a fan of Josh you would take the good with the bad, and not blame all of the Hawks problems on him. ”

Rod, that may have been the stupidest statement on this blog ever by anyone. I have blamed LD, Bibby, Al, JJ, Jamal, Marvin, ZaZa and many others for lot’s of things over the course of time.

Don’t be stupid. The Hawks problems run far deeper than Josh. I know it and of course you know it.

“So you mean to tell me that you have been watching the Hawks every game in these playoffs, and Al has not taken any halves off. Are we watching the same games? I just realized that he was still on the team yesterday.”

Oh, I didn’t know we were just talking about the playoffs.

And no, I kaven’t seen Al take a half off. I’ve seen Al try to pace himself because his coach won’t utilize some of his other players for even spot minutes.

See Al playing more mpg than Josh during the playoffs.
I’ve seen Al average a double/double

I’ve seen Al lead us in Assists for the playoffs.

You said, “Your hatred of Josh is so strong that you don’t even realize how hypocrital you are.”

So I guess that’s why I wrote a lengthy blog on why Al needs to man up, bulk up, learn a low post game and be a C against 75% of the NBA.

Not to bright. Your smarter than this Rod.

You said, “Again I ask you, in your opinion what is a bad shot for Josh Smith? Is it any jumpshot? Is it any 3 pointer? Or is it any jumpshot that is not in the flow of the offense as LD has been saying all year? ”

LD has been very inconsistent with his media comments on this. Sometimes he seems to indicate that most shots Josh takes from 15+ feet are bad. Most, but not all. Then LD gives the working on shot stuff.

So i would say when Josh takes a 15+ footer with more than 10 seconds on the clock against most guys constitutes a bad shot. And when he keeps firing away, and is a momentum killer, it’s bad.

And I think your love for Josh is so strong your blind to the truth. It’s like saying a black man must be right because he is a black man, not because of what he does.

Rod, you said, “Do Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnnson and Jamal Crawford, play with more effort and energy than Josh Smith?”

Sometimes and sometimes not.

Are you saying that Josh plays with more energy all the time, some time, more of the time or what?

Does Josh take more time off on the court on a consistent basis than most? Yes.

“with “mental issues” as you say, and is villified by the fans and the media,” And I suppose everybody is just stupid or blind not to point out Josh’s weakness?

Mental issues with no qualifiers like “on the court”? Come on Rod.

“Just admit you dislike Josh because he is a “thug” and he is the cause of all the Hawks problems and move on.”

That is a race baiting lie, so of course I would not admit it. When almost all of my favorite players are black that would be strange.

Got any white favorite players Rod? You seem very racist.

You said, “Al Horford, Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson can do no wrong to you, and they play the right way”

That of course is ann ignorant statement if you have read alot of the blogs I post. I bash those guys all of the time. When needed, just like Josh.

You said “SlimJr and Jeje bash Josh all the time. You don’t see us arguing back and forth all day because they also bash All Star Al, Joe, Bibby. They destroy Marvin, like he deserves to be destroyed, so they don’t look like hypocrites. You sir are a hypocrite. Josh is all things that is wrong with the Hawks (The Devil), and All Star Al is all thats right (God). LOL”

And you sir are a judge – and evidently a far worse hypocrite than me.

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Bibby is sucking on Defence as usual. It’s so bad that Wade and Lebron couldn’t even cover for his mistakes LOL.

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Is 1/2 Rondo better than Bibby? I say yes……

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Ribs & Tips!

Yeah JeJe … I like the juicy stuff!

Everybody’s like, “What’s up with Pau?
He. Looks like his mind is somewhere else?”

The Natl. Media was asking the same questions about
Bron-Bron last series. The answer is always, allegedly – the same.

Pernicious Sex (that’s doing it w/o a jimmy .. for the sloow people). LOL!
Vrrooom …. Vroom! Burn Rubber.

ROF-LOL-KTC (kicking the couch)!

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drmaryb,

I remember when Karl malone played for the Lakers, they said Kobe’s wife and Karl’s wife had issues.

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What I’m loving with Hawks series is the fact the Teaguer gets to go head to head with MVP Rose, and he is holding his own. Teague is gonna learn a lot from playing Rose, in fact I think he is learning already, if you look at the two Rose-like drives he had in that 4th quarter. I think he has what it takes to be almost as good as Derreck Rose.

Imagine it had to take a player going down for us to find that out.

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Kobe’s wife needs to get on “Basketball Wives” so we can all get the dirt.

Why do they call it that, anyway? Most of those women are ex-basketball wives, and some are just girlfriends.

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The biggest problem with Marvin was said by Marvin himself. Marvin said he doesn’t WATCH basketball. How can you play basketball for a living and not watch it? That means you don’t like basketball. Marvin never does anything to improve his game each summer. He improved the 3, but seems to have lost it again. Summertime, Marvin is in Carolina studying for his degree.

Jamal said he watches all the games, staying up late to catch the west coast games. Now, that is somebody who LOVES basketball, and you see it on the court.

These series, Marvin should not be playing steady minutes. Damien needs to get most of his time. I wonder why Drew is so blind to see this? Just like he and Woody were blind by starting Bibby over Teague, despite Bibby’s detereorating skills.

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lol@Fog Horn…Im glad Teague is playing well. I remember saying last season he should be playing because he couldnt have been any worse than Bibby.

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Miami has installed the vise grips!! Lebron with 20 with 2:14 to go!

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Lame!

Poor Rondo is useless out there. They should sit him down, where is littlt Nate? They could sure use some ‘Donkey’ energy right about now.

It really is sad to see an old baller past his prime. Just sad.
Speaking of, The Lakers and Celtics.

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“Not to bright. Your smarter than this Rod.”

LOL, when you diss somebody for lacking smarts, It would be a good idea to make sure you aren’t saying something that shows a “lack of smarts”

As in: “Too” and “You’re”

ROFLMFAO True Irony.

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RICK CARLISLE SAYS THAT DIRK IS A TOP 10 PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY?

wtf? maybe maverick history, but top 10 in nba history? sure, he is a H.O.F. no doubt, but he ain’t no top 10 in nba history.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=6514530

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