9:00 am May 9, 2011, by Michael Cunningham
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
D in ATL
May 9th, 20119:09 am
Rev in Tampa
May 9th, 20119:30 am
This is a very interesting read at ESPN about the Bad Josh/Good Josh syndrome.
May 9th, 20119:31 am
Is anyone else unable to see the video? All I’m getting is the HTML text.
May 9th, 20119:39 am
same here, cant see the video
May 9th, 20119:59 am
Rev in Tampa and anybody else…..that article is PERFECTLY WRITTEN. Good job Michael Wallace.
May 9th, 201110:06 am
Best team in Atlanta since ‘88….based on the regular season, this team is not the same team.
The difference has only been on the bench for 2 years…..
Welcome back All Star Al.
Great game Josh! Way to stuff the stat sheet
May 9th, 201110:07 am
Great article by Michael Wallace.
Please no more “Smoove”. We need more Josh Smith.
May 9th, 201110:09 am
Thanks for starting Collins… May have save your job
May 9th, 201110:10 am
Thanks for the link Rev. doc has been saying it for months. We need J Smash, not J Smoove.
One of the analysts made an interesting comment last night. They said Teague allows the Hawks to play the way they are built to play. Utilize their athleticism, and push the ball in transition.
With Bibby running the point (especially this year when he struggled big time), we didn’t have any athleticism at the point, and Bibby was not a threat to lead the fast break the way Teague has. He also was not a threat to penetrate, which opens things up.
Teague is averaging 12 pts, 3 assists and 1 turnover per game. I have been a big fan of his all year, but he has surpassed my expectations.
May 9th, 201110:11 am
Thanks for the link Rev! After reading the article I have to say that after 7 years in the Association, the need to compete consistently should not have to be spoon fed. Admittedly, the NBA is full of under achievers but in Josh’s case, he was enabled by a one horse town media that failed to ask the right questions but resorted to character assasination tinged with racial innuendo- which failed because Josh wasn’t a thug : he didn’t choke his coach; sexually assault any women or kill a team mate while driving under the influence and at speeds over 100 miles an hour on a surface street.
But what hasn’t been heard .until this article, was the impact of the owners drafting players based upo their acceptability to a certain segment of the population. In other words-they wanted Tunas with good taste rather that ones who could-and would- ball.
What Josh needs is to stop letting the voices in his head-his father,Jay Bilas,etc., distract and disturb him. He has abilities but frankly, he is not as good as he portrays himself to be. His best feature is that he displays more exciting plays than his more gentile but less gifted team mates.If he wants to win as badly as professes, then he has to bring it every night come hell or high water. No more excuses because the eyes of the national media or on him now and they are looking very hard at what’s what.
Of course my opinion is relative to the Hawks ; Kobe has just been handed a resounding vote of no confidence by his team mates by their tanking his ambition for a three peat that would have put him ahead of Shaq and on par with Magic in Laker history. So don’t get it twisted regarding my screed. Josh needs to grow the fu#ck up not only for the team but for himself: he is one more knee injury from irelevence in basketball lore. Woulda, shoulda,coulda is staring him right smack in his face!
May 9th, 201110:12 am
Leave Marvin in Atlanta
May 9th, 201110:24 am
Marvin Williams, it’s time to concentrate on shooting the ball. Leave the post up plays alone, as well as driving the ball to the hole. Find your spots on the floor and just shoot it, let’s work on one thing at a time. Good Luck
May 9th, 201110:25 am
LOL, doc has been saying that for the last 3 seasons. We went to one of the Heat /Hawks playoff games together in 09 and he was saying it back then.
Also, co-sign on Teague. He’s exceeding my expectations this series. I KNEW his defense would be fine but I didn’t think he’d be this consistent on offense.
May 9th, 201110:28 am
ILL-Logical: “(Josh) is one more knee injury from irelevence in basketball lore.”
lol… What basketball player isn’t?
May 9th, 201110:33 am
This series ended when the Hawks mailed it in Game 3. They are not going to win in Chicago again.
Here is the Hawks’ M.O.:
Everyone criticizes and doubts them. Results – tough inspired play.
Everyone praises and believes in them. Results – they get big heads, relax and get stomped.
May 9th, 201110:37 am
Kudos to Jeff Teague – great floor game — Kirk take you time, don’t rush it.
Kudos to Josh for getting Horford involved in the game. He mad a concerted effort to get Al the ball inside. There was point in the 3 period where Josh yelled at the coaching staff to get Al back in the game.
Joe for not bucking LD’s game plan.
May 9th, 201110:46 am
“why can’t Josh play like this, after jacking a few in the first qtr from 20 ft and missing all but one, all the time. Josh is not dumb. You only have to listen to him answer questions in an interview to know he has “some” smarts. ”
Smoove’s problem has never been that he is dumb. It has always been that he is overconfident and stubborn. He doesn’t take bad shots because he doesn’t know any better; he does it because he wants to prove everyone wrong who says he can’t make them. In a way I think the crowd booing his jumpers might only encourage him.
“One of the analysts made an interesting comment last night. They said Teague allows the Hawks to play the way they are built to play. Utilize their athleticism, and push the ball in transition. ”
Hmmmm – I wonder who else has been saying this?
May 9th, 201110:54 am
MC, not sure I should ask, but the prognosis on Hindrich? Is he out all series?
Not that I am not pleased with the current, because JT can handle the minutes and in no way does he have to be covered for on defense.
That’s the best part.
Everything went well in Game 4, and Joe didn’t have that great of a game, nor JC1. Now, can we go to CHI and make a monstrous statement in Game 5?
Watching Game 4, and IMO, Boozer and Noah inside isn’t enough to stop us. You saw Teague, Josh, Zaza, Al and Collins crashing the boards.
That Asik fella? He’s pretty good, and he is decent on defense. He made Marvin look like a rag doll on that one block. Marvin’s role should be smaller going forward.
Give me the big inside presence of Collins/Zaza/Thomas (is he still active?) and let Marvin go up against the 2nd unit in small increments.
But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Marvin make a bigger contribution come Tuesday; it has been about a week since he has made any impact.
Truthfully, Marvin at 6′9″ 240 lbs in the official roster? He plays more like 6′6″ because his shots get blocked way too often.
Damien should cut into his minutes immediately; when Damien is on the court, at least you know he is ON the court!
May 9th, 201110:57 am
Teague has been Freed
My work is done here. Go fourth and prosper my people.
Josh playing like last night, sans the 6 J’s, is not just an All Star, but one of the better All Star’s. Best PF in the East with the exception of maybe Amare. But maybe better than Amare in a lot of ways really.
And the refs were really terrible last night. We gotta be sore this morning all the times we hit the floor and No Call!!
And we look at DRose wrong and the whistle blows.
May 9th, 201110:58 am
Vid issue is fixed.
May 9th, 201110:59 am
@KevinM: “MC, not sure I should ask, but the prognosis on Hindrich? Is he out all series?”
why should you not ask?
what i know it’s what’s been reported: he’s doubtful to play and Drew does not expect him back. at last check he hadn’t done any court work.
May 9th, 201111:00 am
Najeh, Barkley wore the ‘Crash Dumbie’ helmet last night in Josh’s honor. If that doesn’t get your attention as a player, then what will?
You have media asking LD about it, you have Aldridge even point blank asking the question…
Josh is simply an all-star level player without that facet of his game. I like his game better than I like Bosh, sans jumper.
A smarter Josh goes a long way with the success of this team, and Joe and JC1 don’t have to have great games every time out.
I just hope LD overcomes his TDS – Teague Derangement Syndrome
It is good to have 2 quality PG’s you know LD? You can utilize 2 in 48 minutes, not just one. Easy to comprehend, right?
May 9th, 201111:03 am
If LD sits JT now, his arse will get chewed like never before by the fan base. He no longer has a justification for it.
And again, Marvin laughing all the way to the bank!
May 9th, 201111:12 am
ATL has the potential to pull off a trip to the Eastern Conference Finals. It will be up to Al and Josh to get us there in Games 5 and 6 because the refs are going to call a tight game. Josh and Al will have to respond with great rebounding and defense.
May 9th, 201111:22 am
That was the best team effort I have ever seen out of the Hawks. They stayed with their game plan and executed it perfectly. The Hawks knew 3 things going into last nights game; #1:THEY COULDNT ALLOW DERRICK ROSE TO GET INTO THE PAINT REPEATEDLY UNCONTESTED. They got physcial with Rose and bodied-up on him making it very difficult to get into the paint. If Rose decided to charge into the paint like an ANGRY BULL, Rose kept paying the price as bodies were blocking him from getting to the cup. What you saw from the Hawks last night IS A PERFECT BLUEPRINT ON HOW YOU LIMIT DERRICK ROSE. YOU CANT STOP HIM–HES A SUPERSTAR, MVP.You stopped in from scoring 50 points and his 34 points were not enough to beat the Hawks.#1 Goal was Successful. #2:JOSH SMITH HAD TO BRING HIS A+ GAME, STOP SHOOTING OUTSIDE JUMPERS AND PAINT INSIDE THE BLOCK LIKE PICASO. JOSH WAS AWESOME LAST NIGHT AND GAVE US A FLASH OF WHAT IS TO COME. CAN YOU IMAGING HOW GOOD THIS TEAM WILL BE IF JOSH PLAYS LIKE THIS EVERY NIGHT. I ALWAYS SAID THAT THE REASON THE HAWKS ARE SO GOOD IS THAT THEY HAVE FOUR ALL-STARS:2 OF THEM MAKE THE ALL-STAR TEAM [Johnson and Horford], AND 2 OF THEM DONT BECAUSE THEY ARE BASICALLY UNKNOWN[Smith and Crawford]. The Celtics have 3 all-stars, the Heat have 3 all-stars. Right now the Hawks have 5 guys playing at an all-star level, if you include Jeff Teague. The Hawks are potentially great they just have a low self-image and that has been their biggest problem. THEY DONT KNOW HOW GREAT THEY COULD BE IF THEY PLAYED THE RIGHT WAY. LAST NIGHT ATLANTA HAD ALMOST A PERFECT RECIPE TO BEAT THE BULLS AND PLAYED INCREDIBLE DOWN THE STRETCH. Last nights game was the BEST Ive ever seen the Hawks CLOSE-OUT a top flite opponent. And last but not least #3:AL HORFORD HAD TO REGAIN HIS ALL-STAR FORM. He DID MORE THAN THAT LAST NIGHT and all of a sudden the Hawks are playing like a team, with purpose and confidence and its fun to watch. I hope the Hawks can sustain this. Go Hawks. Crush Bulls in 6.
May 9th, 201111:24 am
LOL @ Jamal saying Teague played like a Professional. Teague has had a far better series than Jamal
MC, would it be possible to post the Video recap without a user reply section beneath or to edit that into the game blog (100-88)?
Too many blogs to monitor!
May 9th, 201111:32 am
I noticed Josh hit his first jumsphot, beat his chest, and was confident enough to take more jumpshots throughout the game.
That first made jumpshot almost lost us the game. If he had missed it, he wouldn’t have shot again.
I hope this guy shows up in game 5 with the same DRIVE TO THE BASKET mentality.
When Josh is at the 3, he is much freer to get rebounds. He was getting EVERY rebound last night, but a lot of rebounds for some reason were uncontested
May 9th, 201111:36 am
We had 3 guys with 20+ last night. That is HUGE. We have 4 guys who can drop 20+ in a game.
Rod from College Park
It’s really funny to here all these comments about when the good Josh or bad Josh show up we win. Well the good Josh must show up an awful lot over the past three years, becuase we have won a good amount of games in that time frame. The thing is, Josh shows up almost every night good or bad. The real problem with the Hawks is if both of our All stars decide to show up with him, and if our coach can let this Marvin Williams love affair go. When you put a passive Al Horford, and Marvin Williams on the floor together it usually forces Josh Smith to take a number of stupid shots. Joe gets doubled, Marvin and Horford pass up good shots, and Josh has no problem showing that he is not scared to take the shot.
On another note, I’m still waiting for someone to put Rose on his back. Thanks to Al Horford for finally joining the team in the playoffs. Wev’e been wondering where he was.
May 9th, 201111:37 am
That lead “Blown Call in Playoff Game”
Yes – there were about 12 blown calls – 10 when Chicago should have been whistled for a foul and wasn’t including at least one flagrant on Noah against Josh – could’ve put Josh out of the series.
And a couple of touch fouls, one of which is making headlines.
May 9th, 201111:38 am
MC – I like your written blogs alot more than the video ones.
May 9th, 201111:49 am
Rod – Josh is a mental case – admit it. We know you love him, but the truth is just the truth. Josh is not forced into taking any bad shots. It’s his choice. The Coaches know it. The fans know it. The pundit and national media know it. He sometimes knows it.
Only you don’t know it I guess.
MC, Florida Gator Basketball Head Coach Billy Donovan was in the stands last night(they showed him on TNT). Do you know if Horford got him some tickets? He’s been at ATL playoff games before. Just wondering…..seems like a good oppourtinity for a Al-Noah-Donovan Gator side story lol.
May 9th, 201111:51 am
Rod – And when I say mental, I’m just talking about the Schizo basketball persona, not is personal life.
And about winning games, we win alot of games in spite of Josh also.
If the dude played the way he can, within himself – what a beast!
May 9th, 201111:55 am
Hey Does MC remind anyone else of Taye Diggs in this video a little?
May 9th, 201112:02 pm
Some quotes from a ESPN.com Micheal Wallace article, along with some comments
“Josh Smith Better When Not ‘Smoove’” May 9, 2011
“There was second-year point guard Jeff Teague, in the middle of the first quarter Sunday night, shouting back at an assistant coach after he was taken out of the game, presumably for a mistake he didn’t believe was his fault.”
There’s Teague’s inner dog! Rondo became an All Star doing that kind of stuff. Good job Teague!!
“t some point during a chaotic timeout early in the second quarter — after Hawks coach Larry Drew exchanged heated words with Smith as Johnson sat about two seats removed from the huddle and hung his head — this inconsistent and fragile team had come to a fork in the road.”
Wow, glad we didn’t quit
“Teague regained his confidence and, yet again, stared down Rose in the second half. Al Horford would finally show up and join the series already in progress.”
“ut none of those developments were bigger than The Transformation.
The good Josh Smith kicked the bad Josh Smith out of Philips Arena just in time for the Hawks to save themselves from themselves and make this a series again, one that is becoming increasingly more difficult for the Bulls to put away and prepare for the Eastern Conference finals.
If the Hawks refuse to cooperate with their own coaches at times, what makes you think they’ll comply with any sort of outside expectations and simply go away in this series? Instead, these knuckleheads are knocking heads with the Bulls and head back to Chicago for Game 5 on Tuesday far from finished.
And the much-maligned Smith is the reason why they fought their way into this position Sunday. Through three quarters, “J-Smoove,” Smith’s nickname and alter ego, had missed 11 of his 15 shots from the field and seemed to have neither a conscience nor remorse for jacking up the same ill-advised jumpers that his coach repeatedly has asked him to stop taking.
And then, in the fourth, J-Smoove left the building and Josh Smith finished the game. Same body. Same uniform. Same sweaty headband. Same striking resemblance to rapper The Game.
But different mentality. Different results. Smoove was awful, booed mercilessly by his hometown crowd with his father sitting courtside. Smith was cheered and revered the moment he appeared and took over the fourth by taking the ball to the basket.
Smith scored 11 of his 23 points in the fourth quarter and also added 16 rebounds, eight assists, two blocks, a steal and some stifling defense on Rose late as the Hawks closed the game on a 16-4 run. The Hawks really want to get rid of Smoove, and they almost did at the February trade deadline.
But this Smith dude that showed up in the fourth is the reason they keep holding on to him and continue to hold out hope that he’ll eventually mature into his better half on at least a semi-regular basis.”
And did we really almost trade Josh at the deadline? Wow. Maybe those Curry/Beidrins rumors were more true than we thought.
“For Atlanta, it’s been a tale of two Joshes not even Charles Dickens can narrate.
For his part, Drew said he will bring Josh into the office again Monday and show him the tape of Sunday night’s performance, with Smoove starring in the first half and Smith playing a lead role and becoming the hero in the end.
“Josh knows,” Drew said. “When he rebounds, runs the floor and pushes the ball, he has an ability … a very unique ability. It sank in a little bit.”
Smith can keep the Hawks in this series and possibly help them engineer an upset.
Smoove might end up sending them on vacation.
Smith understood the situation well enough after Sunday’s game to say that he needed to “just make plays … do the things at [small forward] that [Luol] Deng does.”
And then, Smoove seized the moment again.
“The media tries to T.O. me,” Smoove said in a reference to controversial NFL receiver Terrell Owens, comparing the level of perceived negative criticism they receive.
A moment later, Hawks media relations director Arthur Triche stepped in to cut off the postgame interview just as another question was being asked.
No sense in allowing Smoove to get the final word on a night Smith saved for the Hawks.”
Great way to end the article!
What people don’t mention either is not only is Teague having an excellent series, but it’s with Derrick Rose guarding him
May 9th, 201112:05 pm
Is there any chance we can force D. Rose LEFT tomorrow and not fall for his spin moves?
Let’s see him finish on the left side (Teague can)
May 9th, 201112:06 pm
Teague is a future Allstar… He is the real deal…………………………………………….LARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 9th, 201112:07 pm
I was glad for the blown call. After many years of following the Hawks, they FINALLY GOT THE BENEFIT OF A BLOWN CALL. Big deal. I tell you what. I HOPE THAT THE HAWKS LEARNED LAST NIGHT, PARTICULARLY JOSH SMITH, THAT GOOD THINGS HAPPEN TO THE TEAM AND THE RESULTS AND OUTCOMES ARE GOOD WHEN YOU PLAY THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY. Last night in the fourth quarter late in the game, Derrick Rose missed four layups AND had two turnovers because Teague was pestering him and covering him so well. Also we got the benefit of a blown call BECAUSE ROSE SHOT AT THE THREE POINT LINE WAS CONTESTED. If Rose had been left alone he probably would have made the shot. Think about that the game was hanging in the balance at 84-84 and could have gone either way, THE HAWKS CLOSED OUT THE BULLS 16-4 and won 100-88. Thats incredible but that is how games are to be closed out on the biggest of stage with the whole world watching you. I COULDNT BE MORE PROUDER OF THE HAWKS. THEY PLAYED LIKE CHAMPIONS LAST NIGHT. Hopefully this magnificent performance will carryover on Tuesday night in Chicago. Play well in Chicago and the Hawks will have the opportunity to close out Chicago on Thursday. LAST POINT, FOR A TEAM THAT HAS TROUBLE CLOSING OUT TEAMS IN THE REGULAR SEASON AND PLAYOFFS FOR THE LAST 7 YEARS, THE HAWKS HAD A TESTBOOK, FAIRY TALE ENDING THAT RESULTED IN THE BEST MASTERPIECE PERFORMANCE THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN THE HAWKS PULL OFF IN THE PLAYOFFS. OUTSTANDING.
May 9th, 201112:11 pm
carlita from other blog:
I see a lot of Marvin-hating on here…just wanted to remind everyone about Marvin hitting 3 of 4 3-pointers in one of the wins against Orlando…he also plays pretty good D, blocks some shots (even blocked Rose last night)…maybe he’s no super-star but he does some good things…just saying…
^ He also did not have one rebound last night and had 1 on Friday night. This guy is almost 6″10.
Josh dominated the glass last night at SF. Josh is not bigger than Marvin.
Marvin also couldn’t get on balance to get a shot off at the shot clock buzzer and got stuffed by Asik.
LOL dude can’t catch his balance
May 9th, 201112:14 pm
MARVIN=THE SHORTEST BIG MAN IN NBA HISTORY..PG’S ROUTINELY BLOCK HIS ISH………WOW..
May 9th, 201112:15 pm
look josh needs to realize it and jj too that it doesnt take a dummy to figure it out. i have a girl friend from czech who had never seen a game and she has gotten into it over the season. she loved the energy and how the bulls played, pointed it out and ultimately how her adopted team responded and she cheers loudly for the hawks. the funniest thing is how she has isolated the worst players to be taking shots form the outside for our team as numbers 2 and 5. go figure and she doesnt even know their names. she has continually pointed it out how bad and inconsistent they are and she has no basketball experience, yes hockey, and no history to go back in on.
when jj and j smash play within the game and themselves they can do wonders for the team. when the little victim, jjjjjj joe johnson, surfaces or j sm**ve (sorry i cant say it or print it and hate that i even think it) comes out, we die because they control the team as it flames out.
great article rev.
stop the insanity at the highlight factory and say josh smith scores and put an end to this crap.
May 9th, 201112:16 pm
LOL @ Slimjr.
Dude got stuffed twice by Jameer Nelson in the Orlando series. JAMEER NELSON THE RUNNING BACK
I never see Marvin’s name in any articles or blogs (on the most part) because he is an invisible, irrelevant, and useless basketball “player.”
Dude has 10 points in a game and people here are jubilant
May 9th, 201112:17 pm
LOL @ Jamal saying Teague played like a Professional. Teague has had a far better series than Jamal..
May 9th, 201112:18 pm
“i have a girl friend from czech”
Does she have sister????? LOL
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