Bulls at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Larry Drew: ‘No time to experiment with limitations’

This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .

L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.

These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.

“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”

It’s not just Josh.

Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.

“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.

Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.

“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”

And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.

“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”

The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.

“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”

I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.

“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”

What about Al?

Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.

Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.

In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).

Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:

“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”

Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.

“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”

Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.

“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”

‘Trust each other’

L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:

“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”

Notes

  • L.D. said he’s considering going with a “big” lineup that includes Twin or Zaza.
  • UPDATE: It’s the Twin lineup. Drew’s reasoning: “It gives us a different look. It also helps us on the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds the last game and the fact we did have some success with that lineup vs. Orlando, our guys are familiar with it. I think it’s time for change. We’ve made the decision to go with a bigger lineup and defensively we will tweak some things.”
  • Twin will have to check Noah, who presents a different dilemma than Dwight. “It will be a challenge for him,” L.D. said. “Noah is an energy guy that moves around a lot in the paint area. But I have all the confidence in the world that Jason has the ability to keep him off the glass. Jason certainly took the challenge against Dwight, understanding that Dwight is a little more sataionary than Noah, but I’m confident Jason can get the job done.”
  • The Bulls beat writers told me Thibodeau likely will crossmatch Noah against Al and give Twin to Boozer. Maybe Twin can post him up.
  • The Hawks have changed up their coverages for D-Rose. “We made some adjustments,” Jamal said. “I am sure you guys will be able to see tonight.”
  • Jamal on Atlanta’s plan to be more physical with Rose: “That’s for everybody. It’s the playoffs. We are not getting easy baskets so they shouldn’t, either.”
  • Boozer has torn ligaments in his big toe.
  • L.D. on the delicate nature of being critical of star players during meetings: “Real pros look it in the eye and say, ‘Coach, you know what, you are right.’ They will say, ‘I have got to do this better, I have go to do that better.’ I am always open to suggestions from any of my players if there is something they would rather do. Sometimes as coaches we can make suggestions and a player says. ‘Let’s come back and try this way.’ I am good with that.”
  • Thibodeau on Teague successfully stepping in for Hinrich: “He’s a good player. He can score the ball and he’s done a good job defensively. It says a lot about him. It shows he’s stayed ready. He’s gotten his opportunity and he’s playing well.”
  • Thibodeau on the Hawks: “They are a tough team. They are hard to guard. They have a lot of weapons. We understand we have to play well but we are not changing what we do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

917 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

Hawks played that half 5 on 8 and they are still up. They have to feel good about that, although a few easy plays here and there would have them up comfortably. I like the energy level though.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

Marvin has 3 fouls! YES

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
9:17 pm

It’s amazing how often Noah goes over the back when trying to get rebounds, and it’s even more amazing how often it never gets called.

Horford gets called almost every time he goes over Noah’s back, but Noah gets a free pass because he’s an “energy player”. Some things in this league really piss me off…kind of like Lebron’s ability to travel with the ball without penalty.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
9:17 pm

Josh may not be shooting well but he’s all over the floor making plays. Some plays good and some bad but I like the energy he’s playing with tonight.

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:17 pm

Marvin dont even get the dunk up

drmaryb (*_-)

May 8th, 2011
9:17 pm

Great Game Plan Drew!
Great Energy Hawks!

We won the 1st Half by 1. Should have been up by 12!
Hawks just need to calm down!

JeJe!

What are the Keys for the 2nd Half?
Give ‘Em to us!

How we gonna’ park this Bentley in the garage?

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:18 pm

Even though Damien missed that dunk, I still like it! It was a man’s move. Marvin couldn’t do that!

Great psychology edge that Hawks have a slim lead going into the half.

Gotta to keep up the effort, though!

Damien has to start in place of Marvin. Marvin better not see any time in the 2nd.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:18 pm

Damn Damien . . make that dunk. Nice aggressive play though.

Overall a good first half. Bulls with 7 offensive rebounds, a little too many.

Let’s see what Charles, Kenny and C-Webb say about us.

The Real Mandingo

May 8th, 2011
9:18 pm

Coach Tom Thibodeau – “Marvin Williams is one of the most underrated players in the NBA.”

Yes, Coach Thibs, you are absolutely right. Marvin Williams is actually WORSE than most basketball pundits give him credit for.

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
9:19 pm

That’s your opinion and it has no merit IMO. The Hawks coverage is totally different on Rose tonight and I like it, plus Teague will most likely play close to 40 minutes no way he could pressure Rose up the court all game playing those type of minutes

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:19 pm

Brandon ..

it was the same way with Dwight.

and the refs arent going to call it.. know why, Hawks dont establish a box out position.. if they clearly put a body on a shirt, the refs will have to call over the back. truthfully, i wouldnt call it either. going forward, every opposing coaching staff will tell there bigs to crash hard.

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
9:20 pm

lmao barkley

cp

May 8th, 2011
9:20 pm

Hawks have been a lot better tonight than the last two games. Joe has been good tonight. If we can get Josh and Teague to settle down some, the Hawks should be alright

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
9:21 pm

There talkin about J.Smith’s insistence on shooting jumpers at halftime.

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
9:21 pm

Barkley is a trip.

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
9:22 pm

The only reason the bulls are in the game is because of the refs.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
9:22 pm

Josh with the new nickname…TEST DUMMIE!!!

Brad

May 8th, 2011
9:22 pm

haha “unless there’s paint under your feet, don’t shoot it”

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:22 pm

Kenny Smith looks weird with his K legs at his pictures, man.

Jason Terry

May 8th, 2011
9:23 pm

That was funny

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:24 pm

Terrible comment by Charles . . calling Josh Smith a Test Dumbie on his helmet.

While it may be true . . I don’t like it when other the national guys talk about him like that.

At least Kenny explains what the problem is with Josh. Essentially, the right people need to be shooting the ball in the right spots. And Smith shouldn’t just settle for jumpers. He should always drive the lane, even if it’s a drive and kick.

And they hype up Derrick Rose like he’s playing great, but he’s 4 – 11 for the game and getting bailed out by the refs on a few calls.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
9:24 pm

TEST DUMBIE…my bad…LOL

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
9:24 pm

whats wrong with kenny smith legs?

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:25 pm

They way the TNT crew has been stumbling on their words, looks like they may have been sipping on some brew all night. Charles and Kenny in particular.

I hope Hawks comes back to stick it down their craw.

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2011
9:25 pm

Bennett Salvatore got the call from the Godfather slimjr! Bulls in 5!

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
9:25 pm

^ I have no problem with folks callin’ Josh out at this point.

One way or another, this guy needs to learn the lesson being taught.

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
9:25 pm

mykhalc,

Did you notice how they spelled it on the crash dummie helment. They spelled it “DUMBIE”

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:25 pm

he wasnt calling Josh a test dumbie..

he was saying you need to wear one when Josh pulls up..

the test dumbie was him..

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:29 pm

espn.com shows Noah having his hand on the back of Al’s head while Al is trying to make a post move

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
9:30 pm

@Rev…yep. too funny!!! and they are right…this crap has been goin’ on for too many seasons…PERIOD!!!

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:30 pm

Josh deserves every criticism he gets for his bonehead plays. But aside from a few errant shots, he has made a concerted effort to drive the ball tonite.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2011
9:31 pm

Props to everyone who has been saying the Hawks should go big. Collins and especially Zaza have been difference makers, and Marvin has been more effective on D off the bench even if his offense has remained horrible.

Great half from Aggressive Joe, and Smoove has made the defense/rebounding plays necessary to offset his bad shots in this one (something he hasn’t done consistently in these playoffs).

Hawks gotta start getting to some of these loose balls though. They could have 5-6 more points if they turned some of those deflections into turnovers.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
9:32 pm

i like my incorrect interpretation bigdave!!!LOL

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:33 pm

KEYS TO THE 2ND HALF:

1) REBOUND
2) JAMAL+JOE = 45 PTS
3) HARD FOULS

ITS THAT SIMPLE

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:34 pm

teague

YES SIR

I consider this an off-game for Teague, given how he played in games 1 – 3.

Yet, he is still 10000000000000000x better than Bibby

cp

May 8th, 2011
9:35 pm

there you go Teague

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:35 pm

Time to get this lead up to 12.

Get the lead and KEEP IT

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
9:35 pm

joe taking bad shots

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:35 pm

Damnit. Why does Joe always fade to the corner?

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
9:36 pm

Sad that you can here the crowd yelling no.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:37 pm

LOL . . OK . . that wasn’t his fault. The clock was running down. But I guess he could try to take a few dribbles.

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
9:37 pm

Boozer walked

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:37 pm

This is just incredible.

EVERY time Josh drives the lane, he gets a high quality FGA.

Yet he still takes jumpshots

SMDH

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:37 pm

dont get discouraged.. take your shots Josh.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
9:37 pm

Come on Josh…

cp

May 8th, 2011
9:37 pm

Josh is so much better when he’s attacking the rim

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:38 pm

LMAO . . then he drives the ball and gets an and 1. ( clapping )

Come on Josh . . understand what you need to do. That’s how you need to play.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:38 pm

LOL @ McLovin behind Thibodeau

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:38 pm

OMG . . Horford actually went hard to the hole.

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:38 pm

Hawks have to play out of their minds to take this one!