Bulls at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Larry Drew: ‘No time to experiment with limitations’

This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .

L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.

These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.

“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”

It’s not just Josh.

Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.

“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.

Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.

“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”

And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.

“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”

The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.

“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”

I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.

“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”

What about Al?

Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.

Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.

In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).

Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:

“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”

Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.

“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”

Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.

“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”

‘Trust each other’

L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:

“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”

Notes

  • L.D. said he’s considering going with a “big” lineup that includes Twin or Zaza.
  • UPDATE: It’s the Twin lineup. Drew’s reasoning: “It gives us a different look. It also helps us on the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds the last game and the fact we did have some success with that lineup vs. Orlando, our guys are familiar with it. I think it’s time for change. We’ve made the decision to go with a bigger lineup and defensively we will tweak some things.”
  • Twin will have to check Noah, who presents a different dilemma than Dwight. “It will be a challenge for him,” L.D. said. “Noah is an energy guy that moves around a lot in the paint area. But I have all the confidence in the world that Jason has the ability to keep him off the glass. Jason certainly took the challenge against Dwight, understanding that Dwight is a little more sataionary than Noah, but I’m confident Jason can get the job done.”
  • The Bulls beat writers told me Thibodeau likely will crossmatch Noah against Al and give Twin to Boozer. Maybe Twin can post him up.
  • The Hawks have changed up their coverages for D-Rose. “We made some adjustments,” Jamal said. “I am sure you guys will be able to see tonight.”
  • Jamal on Atlanta’s plan to be more physical with Rose: “That’s for everybody. It’s the playoffs. We are not getting easy baskets so they shouldn’t, either.”
  • Boozer has torn ligaments in his big toe.
  • L.D. on the delicate nature of being critical of star players during meetings: “Real pros look it in the eye and say, ‘Coach, you know what, you are right.’ They will say, ‘I have got to do this better, I have go to do that better.’ I am always open to suggestions from any of my players if there is something they would rather do. Sometimes as coaches we can make suggestions and a player says. ‘Let’s come back and try this way.’ I am good with that.”
  • Thibodeau on Teague successfully stepping in for Hinrich: “He’s a good player. He can score the ball and he’s done a good job defensively. It says a lot about him. It shows he’s stayed ready. He’s gotten his opportunity and he’s playing well.”
  • Thibodeau on the Hawks: “They are a tough team. They are hard to guard. They have a lot of weapons. We understand we have to play well but we are not changing what we do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

917 comments Add your comment

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
9:05 pm

Bad Josh again. He has had 4 or 5 bad shots this half

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:06 pm

Good Josh . . making the pass to JJ on the interior. That’s what you should always do when in the high post

And the Bulls have the lead . . wow.

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
9:07 pm

Josh is a bonehead!! ” . . he’s 3 – 11 FG” Turrible….

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
9:07 pm

Can’t buy a foul call right now.

cp

May 8th, 2011
9:08 pm

Teague is leaving that shot short tonight

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:08 pm

Damien should be in this game. Marvin has given nothing.

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
9:08 pm

northcyde,

Josh has more shots (11) than JJ (7).

Meanwhile, Teague should have passed the ball right there. I think he is forcing it tonight.

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
9:08 pm

smh come on teague slow it down

Mike

May 8th, 2011
9:08 pm

Josh and Marvin will be on a different teams next year, really

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
9:08 pm

slow down teague

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:08 pm

TEAGUE, FINISH IT

JESUS

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:08 pm

Teague needs to be smarter right there. that was him going basically 3 on 2 . . back the ball out and set it back up.

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
9:09 pm

Teague with a clunker first half

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
9:09 pm

Comeon Teague, we need you to finished those shots in the paint…

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:09 pm

Hawks just have to keep doing what they’ve been doing. And they need to make this game ugly in order to win.

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:10 pm

keep attacking Jeff..

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
9:10 pm

Teague changes the game when he can finish consistently…

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2011
9:10 pm

Since the Hawks went over the limit I don’t think they have been to the line once.

These last 2 minutes are crucial. I feel like I say this every game. Gotta close out the half strong. Rose is starting to feel it; can’t give up momentum shifing plays to end this half.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:10 pm

After starting the game 8 – 10 FG . . the Hawks are 10 for their last 31 . . with Teague ( 2 – 8 ) and Smith ( 3 – 11 ) being the major culprits. Both need to slow down a little, especially Teague, and get the ball to the shotmakers.

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
9:10 pm

no more jshots J-bonehead…

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
9:10 pm

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:02 pm

Teague not playing all that well tonight on either end of the floor.

He has done well on D tonite

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
9:10 pm

“10 for their last 31″..Smell a loss comin???

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
9:11 pm

all this energy hope we have enough in the tank 2nd half

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:11 pm

TNT is gonna milk this Rose MVP award/interview for what it’s worth.

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
9:11 pm

What’s the point of starting Collins if he is just going to sit on the bench for the rest of the half after the first time he comes into the game? Noah is a terrible offensive player. The only reason he is scoring inside is because he has a big length advantage over Josh. Why not put Collins in since Al is in foul trouble to combat the length? Zaza could guard noah, while Collins takes Boozer, and Josh could move to the 3. It worked well early-on.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
9:11 pm

no he hasn’t @ truth. Rose has come down the court too many times without resistance. He’s not playing horrible defense, but he’s not playing well.

Hawks down 3 . . how will they respond.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
9:12 pm

Take Marvin out….

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:12 pm

Marvin cant rebound w/ position on Rose

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:12 pm

kORVER IS LIKE 0-7

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
9:12 pm

It obvious the refs have rigged this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blast

May 8th, 2011
9:13 pm

And Hawks need to make free throws.

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
9:13 pm

Hawks missing too many FTs.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
9:13 pm

there is NO reason marvin should be given the ball aside from a standup jumper…

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
9:13 pm

worst pick ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
9:13 pm

Big shot by Joe…

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:14 pm

great Josh and Joe

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:14 pm

Damien Wilkins please.

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
9:14 pm

Marvin is horrible on offense. Can he make a shot in the paint?

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:14 pm

mARVIN HAS 0 POINTS

COLLINS HAS 4

COLLINS > MARVIN

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
9:14 pm

The hawks would be up by at least 15 if the refs wouldn’t have bailed the bulls out.

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
9:14 pm

Outside of taking some long jumpers that were unnecessary, Josh Smith has played great tonight. Also, Joe has been very efficient with his scoring. That’s always a great sign.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
9:15 pm

Now he wants to put Damien in with less than a min left..

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
9:15 pm

Nice job by Teague pulling the ball back out on the fast break. He is learning on the job since he didn’t get to learn these things during the regular season.

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:15 pm

ill take it Damien!!!!!

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

Great half Hawks.

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

Play the same way and get Al and Teague going and we will beat this Chicago team and these rigged arse refs.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

lol wilkins got ENERGY but why dont he get more minutes than marvin

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

Comeon Damien, you have to make that dunk… dang it

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
9:16 pm

that was one of those high school gym misses where its just as exciting..