Bulls at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Larry Drew: ‘No time to experiment with limitations’

This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .

L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.

These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.

“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”

It’s not just Josh.

Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.

“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.

Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.

“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”

And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.

“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”

The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.

“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”

I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.

“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”

What about Al?

Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.

Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.

In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).

Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:

“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”

Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.

“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”

Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.

“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”

‘Trust each other’

L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:

“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”

Notes

  • L.D. said he’s considering going with a “big” lineup that includes Twin or Zaza.
  • UPDATE: It’s the Twin lineup. Drew’s reasoning: “It gives us a different look. It also helps us on the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds the last game and the fact we did have some success with that lineup vs. Orlando, our guys are familiar with it. I think it’s time for change. We’ve made the decision to go with a bigger lineup and defensively we will tweak some things.”
  • Twin will have to check Noah, who presents a different dilemma than Dwight. “It will be a challenge for him,” L.D. said. “Noah is an energy guy that moves around a lot in the paint area. But I have all the confidence in the world that Jason has the ability to keep him off the glass. Jason certainly took the challenge against Dwight, understanding that Dwight is a little more sataionary than Noah, but I’m confident Jason can get the job done.”
  • The Bulls beat writers told me Thibodeau likely will crossmatch Noah against Al and give Twin to Boozer. Maybe Twin can post him up.
  • The Hawks have changed up their coverages for D-Rose. “We made some adjustments,” Jamal said. “I am sure you guys will be able to see tonight.”
  • Jamal on Atlanta’s plan to be more physical with Rose: “That’s for everybody. It’s the playoffs. We are not getting easy baskets so they shouldn’t, either.”
  • Boozer has torn ligaments in his big toe.
  • L.D. on the delicate nature of being critical of star players during meetings: “Real pros look it in the eye and say, ‘Coach, you know what, you are right.’ They will say, ‘I have got to do this better, I have go to do that better.’ I am always open to suggestions from any of my players if there is something they would rather do. Sometimes as coaches we can make suggestions and a player says. ‘Let’s come back and try this way.’ I am good with that.”
  • Thibodeau on Teague successfully stepping in for Hinrich: “He’s a good player. He can score the ball and he’s done a good job defensively. It says a lot about him. It shows he’s stayed ready. He’s gotten his opportunity and he’s playing well.”
  • Thibodeau on the Hawks: “They are a tough team. They are hard to guard. They have a lot of weapons. We understand we have to play well but we are not changing what we do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

917 comments Add your comment

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
8:41 pm

Bulls has attempted 12 more Free throw attempts than Hawks in the 1st qtr. And it’s not like the Hawks are not being aggressive attacking the rim either. Bulls are getting touch fouls and the Hawks are not getting any calls on their end of the court.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:41 pm

We are playing damn well. Any other game with fair refs, we’d be up 7 or so

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:41 pm

Teague needed to have a little more court vision on that play. Had Marvin wide open on the wing. Then no call on Zaza getting fouled.

We’re going have to continue to battle like this though the entire game. Don’t worry about the fouls. Just keep battling.

Question is . . how long will Horford sit? Can’t afford to sit him the rest of the half.

Zaza with 4 rebounds already.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2011
8:42 pm

That was probably the most biased refereeing the Hawks have seen so far in these playoffs. Unbelievable. And I rarely ever complain about the refs.

cp

May 8th, 2011
8:42 pm

looked like Teague got fouled then Zaza got hit but no calls

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
8:42 pm

The Hawks just need to keep playing hard and not worry about the calls. The refs can play favorites all they want, but as long as the Hawks win, that’s all that matters. The league just looks like garbage when refs try to force a team into a win and that team still loses.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:43 pm

Marvin, you are garbage

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:43 pm

That;s OK Marvin. Do that again, but draw a foul

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:43 pm

wow marvin might be the worst player iv ever seen

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
8:43 pm

Thibbs sounds like Doc Rivers when he talks. Both sound hoarse and like they are struggling to get the words out.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
8:44 pm

ok.i’m out again…

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
8:44 pm

wtf MARVIN??????????????????????

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
8:44 pm

I swear all 3 of Marvin shots has been block… SMH

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:44 pm

Watson faked, dribbled and shot and 2 Hawks went to cost.

Which left 1 player to box out 3 Bulls
SMDH

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:44 pm

players running down the court and the ball didnt even switch over

cp

May 8th, 2011
8:44 pm

Marvin is terrible off the dribble

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
8:44 pm

It was a Horrific #2 pick cross it over and pull up dude!! does not have the skill to employ that maneuver…………………

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:45 pm

lol JeJe you saw that too

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:45 pm

Joe hurt hand

F*CK

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
8:45 pm

3 red shirts in the paint for the rebound. Only 2 white shirts

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
8:45 pm

Gibson walked.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:45 pm

Every time we pass it to ZaZa in the post, our offense goes to hell

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
8:46 pm

I don’t like seeing Marvin at the 4. I hope L.D. puts Horford or Josh back in soon.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
8:46 pm

Hawks spacin is soooooooooo bad…

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:46 pm

bench mrvinnnn

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
8:46 pm

I like Marvin’s energy on defense. We still need more from him on offense though.

Good timeout by LD. Hawks had a bad possession at the end of the first quarter, and they are not looking so good here.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:47 pm

Chicago had 4 players in the paint for that last offensive rebound, while we were scrambling to play defense on the shooters

Marvin is at least playing defense, even if he can’t get anything going offensively.

Drew needs to be careful with JJ’s minutes. You got to rest the guy at some point. But on the flip side, other people have to step up and hold the fort while he’s out.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
8:47 pm

Replace for Marvin with Damien b/c he’s playing for the Bulls along with the Refs tonight.

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
8:47 pm

Marvin and ZAZA on offense………………………….WOW…brutal………………….

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2011
8:47 pm

Really infuriating how the Hawks can never take advantage when Rose is on the bench.

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
8:48 pm

I really hope that L.D. doesn’t try that cautious BS with Horford tonight, either. We need an all out effort and we need all of the starters on the floor as much as possible. Drew better not sit Al for the entire half. If he ends up doing that this ends up being a close loss, you can bet that Drew will be harassed to no end on this blog after the game. Don’t be an idiot Drew.

Blast

May 8th, 2011
8:48 pm

There goes Marvin with that weak azzed drive again. I cringe everytime he tries to drive. Josh should be in for defensive purposes and Marvin relegated permanently to the bench.

He did have that ONE block, but it does not compensate for his offensive deficiencies.

cp

May 8th, 2011
8:49 pm

Marvin cant hit open jumpers, create off the dribble, or score from underneath the rim

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:49 pm

Hawks started out 8 – 10 . . but have only made 5 of their next 18 shots

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:49 pm

Must-win tonight

The difference between 3-1 and 2-2 is huge.

WIN DAMNIT

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
8:49 pm

3 bad shots for Smith so far. 1-3 so far.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:49 pm

WTF JOSH ATTACK THE BASKET

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

yall thought josh learned huh

Row 109

May 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

JOSH SMITH LONG BALL

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

Marvin sux…it’s simple…

Row 109

May 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

(( clapping ))

Much better Josh . .. leave the jumpers alone, and just attack the paint. Get those big dudes in foul trouble. Just keep attacking.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

like Zaza’s energy…

Row 109

May 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

JS FREE THROW – CLUNK CLUNK

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:50 pm

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:51 pm

make the free throws now

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
8:51 pm

Can Josh please make his FTs?

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
8:51 pm

dont take handles to do that..

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
8:51 pm

good pass by JT…

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:52 pm

(( clapping again ))

Damn Josh . . why not play like this all the time? Just attack the rim any change you get. Even if you don’t make all of your FTs, make them foul you by attacking.