Bulls at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Larry Drew: ‘No time to experiment with limitations’

This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .

L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.

These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.

“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”

It’s not just Josh.

Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.

“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.

Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.

“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”

And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.

“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”

The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.

“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”

I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.

“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”

What about Al?

Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.

Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.

In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).

Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:

“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”

Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.

“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”

Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.

“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”

‘Trust each other’

L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:

“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”

Notes

  • L.D. said he’s considering going with a “big” lineup that includes Twin or Zaza.
  • UPDATE: It’s the Twin lineup. Drew’s reasoning: “It gives us a different look. It also helps us on the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds the last game and the fact we did have some success with that lineup vs. Orlando, our guys are familiar with it. I think it’s time for change. We’ve made the decision to go with a bigger lineup and defensively we will tweak some things.”
  • Twin will have to check Noah, who presents a different dilemma than Dwight. “It will be a challenge for him,” L.D. said. “Noah is an energy guy that moves around a lot in the paint area. But I have all the confidence in the world that Jason has the ability to keep him off the glass. Jason certainly took the challenge against Dwight, understanding that Dwight is a little more sataionary than Noah, but I’m confident Jason can get the job done.”
  • The Bulls beat writers told me Thibodeau likely will crossmatch Noah against Al and give Twin to Boozer. Maybe Twin can post him up.
  • The Hawks have changed up their coverages for D-Rose. “We made some adjustments,” Jamal said. “I am sure you guys will be able to see tonight.”
  • Jamal on Atlanta’s plan to be more physical with Rose: “That’s for everybody. It’s the playoffs. We are not getting easy baskets so they shouldn’t, either.”
  • Boozer has torn ligaments in his big toe.
  • L.D. on the delicate nature of being critical of star players during meetings: “Real pros look it in the eye and say, ‘Coach, you know what, you are right.’ They will say, ‘I have got to do this better, I have go to do that better.’ I am always open to suggestions from any of my players if there is something they would rather do. Sometimes as coaches we can make suggestions and a player says. ‘Let’s come back and try this way.’ I am good with that.”
  • Thibodeau on Teague successfully stepping in for Hinrich: “He’s a good player. He can score the ball and he’s done a good job defensively. It says a lot about him. It shows he’s stayed ready. He’s gotten his opportunity and he’s playing well.”
  • Thibodeau on the Hawks: “They are a tough team. They are hard to guard. They have a lot of weapons. We understand we have to play well but we are not changing what we do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

917 comments Add your comment

cp

May 8th, 2011
8:11 pm

good to see Joe hit his first shot

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:12 pm

The “big” problem with our big lineup is that it’ll help more with rebounds but it’ll mean Josh will be on the perimeter (he is KILLER in the post. IDK why LD hasn’t emphasized that the entire playoffs

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:13 pm

Much better energy tonight so far.

Uh oh . . Smith immediately took a jumper and made it. I don’t know if that’s good or bad.

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
8:13 pm

I like the way this the Hawks have come out.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:13 pm

The telling part for me is the first few minutes of the 2nd quarter. We gotta maintain a lead at that point.

i like putting Collins on Boozer. They should cancel out

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:15 pm

I’m somehow convinced Collins gained 20 pounds back this season. His arms are ginormous

cp

May 8th, 2011
8:16 pm

its early but they look better than last game

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
8:16 pm

i like the early trap..

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
8:16 pm

BS call for Rose…

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:16 pm

Great play by JJ . . looked to go aggressive, but passed to a wide open Horford.

“Forcing the issue”

Then gets the steal and the layup

6 created points by JJ already.

And great defense by the Hawks right there, Rose was out of control and just dove into 4 people. Refs bailed him out.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:17 pm

northcyde, Josh looked pumped up after that shot. he does have those games where his jumper is falling, though….This might be it.

Like I said, maybe that Dallas masterpiece earlier beyond the arc fired him up..

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:17 pm

” Forcing the issue”

Fadeaway jumper by JJ . . not even hesitating or running the “precious offense”.

6 points . . 8 created points in the first 4 minutes.

Git em dude !!

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
8:17 pm

Who does Drew take out when Crawford comes into the game? Hopefully not Teague.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:17 pm

EXCELLENT pass by Horford.

4 points for TWIN

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:18 pm

PUT IN ZAZA.

YES

NO DUCK

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
8:18 pm

northcyde,

Josh making his jumper is bad. It was a bad shot, and although he makes it, it probably will lead to him taking more.

I like how JJ has started. He is moving quicker.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:19 pm

JJ keeping the ball when they first doubled . .but dribbles to the other side. Made a pass to Josh, who made a better pass to Horford

“Forcing the issue” . . by not passing as soon as he’s doubled. And you get the ball movement that people talk about because he ended up making the correct play, with Smith getting eventually getting the assist.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:19 pm

Collins with 4 points. He already has surpassed Marvin’s Greatness in 5 minutes of play

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
8:20 pm

LOL @ Joe breaking ankles out there. I have to admit, Joe is probably the best ball-handler I’ve ever seen at 6′8″.

cp

May 8th, 2011
8:20 pm

damn Joe broke his ankles

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:20 pm

wow literally broke his ankle

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:20 pm

Good start.

Gotta build this lead to about 5 going into the 2nd quarter and hopefully be up 6-8 at halftime

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
8:20 pm

LMAO, at anyone that could not see Collins or any other true C’s value to this team

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:21 pm

My bad . .Horford with that pass to Collins . . not Smith to Horford.

LMAO . . then JJ damn near breaks Bogans ankles with the behind the back dribble.

JJ is in full swag mode tonight. And I LOVE THIS. Keep playing like this man.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2011
8:22 pm

Aggressive Joe BREAKING ANKLES!

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:22 pm

Even if Collins is not that skilled anymore, when he is in the game, the lane appears a LOT more clogged and we are more physical.

What do you think, northcyde?.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:22 pm

Hawks shooting 80%

JJ . . 6 points – 2 assists . . 10 created points

cp

May 8th, 2011
8:23 pm

another bad call for Rose

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:23 pm

I agree JeJe . . can’t hate on Collins tonight. He’s doing exactly what he has to do.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:23 pm

WTF @ that late whistle

drmaryb (*_-)

May 8th, 2011
8:23 pm

JeJe Keys to The Game!

Ok! We got the keys to a win! Let’s Go!

Christian

May 8th, 2011
8:23 pm

Dang!! Joe literally broke Bogans ankles! Haha

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:24 pm

haha @ zaza making jumpers

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:24 pm

We look so much more spirited with the bigger lineup. Guys have more jump in their step

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
8:25 pm

Rose is getting MJ, Kobe and Lebron type calls tonight.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:25 pm

Why Smith didn’t take that shot, I do not know.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:26 pm

WTF Joe? He was UNDER the basket with the ball

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:26 pm

Marvin is checking in now.

Might as well forfeit

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:26 pm

box out noah please

cp

May 8th, 2011
8:26 pm

smh come on Al box out

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
8:27 pm

Here we go . . Horford not blocking out all the way, and Noah makes a play on the ball and draws a foul because he wanted it more.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
8:27 pm

Refs are where Bulls jersey under their uniforms tonight.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
8:27 pm

*Refs are wearing

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
8:27 pm

Deng off to a quick start again. Just a reminder. BK could have drafted Deng instead of Childress.

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
8:28 pm

Jamal and Marvin in the game. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:28 pm

EXCELLENT MOVE SMOOVE

DO THAT EVERY TIME

Slimjr

May 8th, 2011
8:28 pm

Valet Parking AL for NENE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That Dude is Marvins Twin….Shoot….

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
8:28 pm

wow josh did that?

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
8:28 pm

dont take much handles to do that.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
8:28 pm

Josh finishes that EVERY TIME.

Why does he keep taking jumpshots?