This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .
L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.
These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.
“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”
It’s not just Josh.
Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.
“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.
Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.
“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”
And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.
“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”
The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.
“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”
I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.
“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”
What about Al?
Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.
Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.
In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).
Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:
“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”
Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.
“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”
Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.
“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”
‘Trust each other’
L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:
“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”
Notes
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
917 comments Add your comment
SteveW
May 8th, 2011
11:31 pm
Rusty – Co-sign about Teague
SteveW
May 8th, 2011
11:32 pm
Rod – There was All Star Al (finally), at least on O – And Josh showed up big time!
tremaine
May 8th, 2011
11:32 pm
JeJe
May 8th, 2011
11:29 pm
Josh sounding like he still doesn’t get it.
What’d he say?
Said he was just in a rut the first 3 games.
JeJe
May 8th, 2011
11:34 pm
Joe was just asked what we can do to “bottle up this win and take it to Chicago.”
I was hoping JJ would say “leave Marvin in Atlanta”
O'Brien
May 8th, 2011
11:34 pm
Northcyde,
In the first half, teague did a good job chasing korver around
As for next season, if we lose Jamal to free agency, I would go with Najeh plan. Start teague, and bring Hinrich off the bench as our backup PG and backup SG.
bigdave
May 8th, 2011
11:34 pm
i think the Josh interview was good.. he just said it doesnt bother him when people who dont know the game try to critique what he does on the floor. he just made a pro team/locker room careless about everything else comment..
Joe comes out and gives props to Jeff Teague for his play.. i dont think Teagues confidence ever wavered b/c he was always in high favor w/ guys like Joe and Josh..
JeJe
May 8th, 2011
11:35 pm
LOL @ tremaine
WTF
How is he out of the rut? he made ONE jumpshot tonight.
PLZ do not take another jumshot again for this team
bigdave
May 8th, 2011
11:36 pm
props to Larry Drew great game plan..
i dunno guys, maybe he is deserving of a 2nd year.. @ least let him play out his contract.. .
tremaine
May 8th, 2011
11:37 pm
JeJe
May 8th, 2011
11:35 pm
LOL @ tremaine
WTF
How is he out of the rut? he made ONE jumpshot tonight.
PLZ do not take another jumshot again for this team
I agree but I got the feeling he goes back to taking those jumpers next game. I agree with what Joe said. If Josh plays the way he played tonight the hawks are nearly unbeatable.
SteveW
May 8th, 2011
11:37 pm
Def. bring Hinrich off the bench next season if Jamal walks.
If LD is back, I doubt Teague is in the rotation yet.
I’m not joking.
mykhalc
May 8th, 2011
11:37 pm
Teague RAN this team tonite…PERIOD!!! he set the pace and others allowed him to perform his role without phuckin’ it up!! also Josh was a difference maker. but for me, it was about team ball with the PG settin’ the pace!!! and of course, Marvin seein’ minimal PT.
doc
May 8th, 2011
11:38 pm
i love to watch j smash play the game.
Hope
May 8th, 2011
11:38 pm
Mike you are clueless
doc
May 8th, 2011
11:39 pm
good game, awesome crowd as there were bulls fans there and drowned out from the opening intros.
SteveW
May 8th, 2011
11:40 pm
LD bungling on Teague is almost a firing offense in and of itself.
LD is just weird when it comes to rotations of non-star players. Mo’ over Wilkens?
Bibby over Teague?
Teague out of the rotation after playing well at PG when we acquired Hinrich?
Just weird
O'Brien
May 8th, 2011
11:43 pm
Speaking of Hinrich, imagine if he loses the starting PG spot to D. Rose, john wall, and…Jeff teague.
That being said, I think Hinrich still starts next season.
As for Tuesday, if Hawks come out strong and silence the crowd, we will have a chance.
tremaine
May 8th, 2011
11:43 pm
“LD bungling on Teague is almost a firing offense in and of itself.”
I agree. You pretty much have to blame him for the bad Hinrich trade for not playing Teague and sitting Bibby.
calling 'em out
May 8th, 2011
11:46 pm
AMAZING!!!!
the same mf’s who wanted to get rid of josh, now riding his dik. got dam shame.
JEJE, still want to get rid of larry after coaching one hell of a game?
you effing prick
Wabe
May 8th, 2011
11:46 pm
you get another viable frontcourt option next season if jamal walks.
you bring hinrich off the bench and plug in another decent back up big to try to fill the void of losing jamal.
this is what sucks about losing JC2. dude’s a ‘baller to be’ too.
doc
May 8th, 2011
11:48 pm
really enjoyed watching the defense. even though rose went off in short bursts and boozer and gibson scored some the other guys had the difficulty. teague following korver was a beautiful thing to watch in real time.
boozer just pounds smoove. we need the bulk of zaza and collins.
i wonder if marvin will disappear in his suit, too?
mykhalc
May 8th, 2011
11:48 pm
a Hawks win and LAL get swept…a beautiful day!!!
Rusty
May 8th, 2011
11:49 pm
Ld out & out sucks.
Wabe
May 8th, 2011
11:49 pm
O’Brien
May 8th, 2011
11:43 pm
“Speaking of Hinrich, imagine if he loses the starting PG spot to D. Rose, john wall, and…Jeff teague.
That being said, I think Hinrich still starts next season.”
I don’t think there’s any chance Hinrich starts as this teams PG. No way. If Hinrich starts, he’s starting at 2-gaurd and we’re sliding JJ to the 3.
But, I don’t see Hinrich starting over Teague, not after seeing the game Teague’s displayed with the opportunity he’s gotten.
LD better watch his arse. Teague’s played well enough and gotten enough national recognition now for any fool to know that he should be ‘the guy’ from here on out.
northcyde
May 8th, 2011
11:50 pm
Game 4 grades:
Smith: A
Johnson: A-
Teague: B
Horford: B
Zaza: B
Collins: B-
Jamal: C
Marvin: C
Booo!
May 8th, 2011
11:52 pm
Josh “Get’s it”………I’m sure rRev can tell you all about the negative ramifications of “Pride” from a biblical prespective. C’mon Smoove!
I could see if it was something unfair. You we’re not getting T.O’d T.O always showed up! He just had a big mouth.
worse2first
May 8th, 2011
11:57 pm
Where are all the Josh Smith bashers? Did you see his line tonight? Still if he makes two or three of those jumpers, he silences all critics. He was making them at a respectable rate for the first 3/5 of the season. Needs work on that. Love what Teague brings to the team. Poor Marvin, he is flat out busted. Don’t know why LD gives him the minutes he does, a left over from the Woody era. The guy is a puss. I guess the Wizards/Bullets wouldn’t take him off our hands. The guy is a waste of time.
Rod from College Park
May 9th, 2011
12:00 am
“Rod – There was All Star Al (finally), at least on O – And Josh showed up big time!”
Bout time. It’s game 4. He needs to thank Josh for those great assist that got him going. I still need him to put Derrick Rose on is backside. He shows up, we win.
Derrick Rose goes right 90% of the time. I hope LD notices that on film. Marvin Williams should never start another game for us. Iv’e been saying this for 3 years.
Rod from College Park
May 9th, 2011
12:02 am
As Darrell Starks has been saying, we should have stayed big. Starting Collins makes the team better period. It’s really not that hard to see.
Slimjr
May 9th, 2011
12:04 am
Solid win!! They shared the ball, attacked the rim, rebound the ball, played solid “D”. Josh on Deng, good stuff…It bothered Deng…Put Marvin on the end of the bench with the rest of those stiffs..
M-V-TEAGUE!
Josh used his right hand dribble..
Al used his left hand dribble…Its about time Al you stepped up…Welcome back….
They do read these blogs?????? Son of Gun……..!
Larry if you had stayed big from the get go you be up 3-1 or may have swept….Man o man Woody lite is own worse enemy????????????
calling 'em out
May 9th, 2011
12:05 am
in the park courts, we called what d rose is doing “WHEELING”. does he get his teammates involved? let him score 50pts, shut everyone else DOWN!!!
calling 'em out
May 9th, 2011
12:08 am
RUSTY AND JEJE,
close your eyes when you swallow. larry drew has earned one more year.
1. he demanded that they re-sign collins
2. he has won 2more games in the 2nd round, which mike woodson NEVER did.
YES HE F_CKED UP WITH THE TEAGUE THING, BUT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT TEAGUE WAS DOING IN PRACTICE.
JeJe
May 9th, 2011
12:10 am
“JEJE, still want to get rid of larry after coaching one hell of a game?
you effing prick”
Yeah. He cost us game 3 and possibly the series
His game 2 to game 3 adjustments were non-existent and cost us a crucial home game
Lick my nuts
JeJe
May 9th, 2011
12:12 am
northcyde,
No way in hell Marvin deserves the same grade that Jamal did. He didn’t even score tonight. WTH was Jamal on Rose?
Teague on Korver?
I’d give Marvin a D- and Jamal a C-
Slimjr
May 9th, 2011
12:12 am
Larry Larry Larry…..WTF???????????????????????????????????????/
Hawks would have won 60 freaking games if he had started Teague back in October and we still have JC2, Mo Evans and a freaking 1st round pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
May 9th, 2011
12:13 am
Marvin= W- (Waive)
SteveW
May 9th, 2011
12:13 am
Collins also has Championship experience with the Nets, so that’s a plus
And we seemed to always play well during the season with this 1 day on/ 1 day off schedule. I hope that keeps up
Melvin
May 9th, 2011
12:13 am
Northcyde,
How can Marvin get a “C”? Dude had 4 of his 5 shoots block… LOL
Slimjr
May 9th, 2011
12:15 am
Marvin=The Shortest Big Man in NBA History…………WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a Horrific#2 Lottery pick………………………..
SteveW
May 9th, 2011
12:16 am
Marvin for Yi Jianlin (? is that how you spell his name) in a S/T from the Wizards.
Sign Chucky Hayes!!!! Good back up for Josh
And Josh 1-6 on J’s tonight – he still stinks at that – can’t defend it
But the dude beasted otherwise – Props!!!!
JeJe
May 9th, 2011
12:16 am
Where is
IT WAS NOT A BAD PICK?
Or W/E his name was?
LOL
dude sucks
SteveW
May 9th, 2011
12:24 am
Grade:
Josh, JJ, Teague – A’s
Horford, Collins, ZaZa – B’s
Jamal – C
Marvin – D – He did get 2 blocks of his own
doc
May 9th, 2011
12:25 am
northcyde from earlier you know i was giving jj praise as were many after the first game. remember we joked back and forth about batman vs the green latern? jj, as was the team was in synch tonight with everyone playing within themselves letting the game come to them as we used to say. jj at some point had 22 points on 11 attempts. those types of efficiency numbers are huge, plus he played well on defense. the real good hawks showed up and jj started it all with a very solid start. props and cudos to him.man teague was huge as he cut the heart out of them on sveral occasions. do think we got away with a charge call but there were many missed on the other end as well.
liked the contributions of collins and zaza. we need bulk guys and if josh and al dont hit the weights bit and pack ten and lean up over the summer we better go out and get someone a little more complete than collins so at least when josh plays j frigging smoove instead of j smash then there is someone who can replace him quickly. that would be the best deterrent to that happening as josh hates sitting.
doc
May 9th, 2011
12:25 am
northcyde from earlier you know i was giving jj praise as were many after the first game. remember we joked back and forth about batman vs the green latern? jj, as was the team was in synch tonight with everyone playing within themselves letting the game come to them as we used to say. jj at some point had 22 points on 11 attempts. those types of efficiency numbers are huge, plus he played well on defense. the real good hawks showed up and jj started it all with a very solid start. props and cudos to him.man teague was huge as he cut the heart out of them on sveral occasions. do think we got away with a charge call but there were many missed on the other end as well.
liked the contributions of collins and zaza. we need bulk guys and if josh and al dont hit the weights bit and pack ten and lean up over the summer we better go out and get someone a little more complete than collins so at least when josh plays j frigging smoove instead of j smash then there is someone who can replace him quickly. that would be the best deterrent to that happening as josh hates sitting.
mykhalc
May 9th, 2011
12:26 am
@SteveW…yep…more accurate grades
Slimjr
May 9th, 2011
12:27 am
Be ready Hawks cause the refs aren’t on your side. Its a rigged game…The fix is in……
That former NBA ref Tim Donahy was not kidding…….
JeJe
May 9th, 2011
12:28 am
Collins doesn’t get rebounds, but he really clogs the lane
He also FINISHES his dunks (we had quite a few missed dunks tonight).
I’ll take 0 rebounds from Collins and his defensive presence over anything Marvin gives us on a GOOD night (Marvin’s 10 pt game vs. Orlando had people on here throwing ticketape parades
doc
May 9th, 2011
12:29 am
jamal wasnt that bad as he seemed to actually focus and pay hard on defense tonight. it is hard for him to get 20 when josh and al are putting up some numbers. he had some crucial makes rather than killing misses tonight, too. a little harsh on the boy there northcyde. you got a little vava up you?
JeJe
May 9th, 2011
12:29 am
*Ticker-tape
doc
May 9th, 2011
12:30 am
marvin, no higher than d- period.
Slimjr
May 9th, 2011
12:32 am
Marvin for Mo Evans…..