Bulls at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Larry Drew: ‘No time to experiment with limitations’

This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .

L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.

These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.

“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”

It’s not just Josh.

Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.

“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.

Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.

“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”

And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.

“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”

The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.

“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”

I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.

“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”

What about Al?

Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.

Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.

In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).

Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:

“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”

Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.

“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”

Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.

“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”

‘Trust each other’

L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:

“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”

Notes

  • L.D. said he’s considering going with a “big” lineup that includes Twin or Zaza.
  • UPDATE: It’s the Twin lineup. Drew’s reasoning: “It gives us a different look. It also helps us on the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds the last game and the fact we did have some success with that lineup vs. Orlando, our guys are familiar with it. I think it’s time for change. We’ve made the decision to go with a bigger lineup and defensively we will tweak some things.”
  • Twin will have to check Noah, who presents a different dilemma than Dwight. “It will be a challenge for him,” L.D. said. “Noah is an energy guy that moves around a lot in the paint area. But I have all the confidence in the world that Jason has the ability to keep him off the glass. Jason certainly took the challenge against Dwight, understanding that Dwight is a little more sataionary than Noah, but I’m confident Jason can get the job done.”
  • The Bulls beat writers told me Thibodeau likely will crossmatch Noah against Al and give Twin to Boozer. Maybe Twin can post him up.
  • The Hawks have changed up their coverages for D-Rose. “We made some adjustments,” Jamal said. “I am sure you guys will be able to see tonight.”
  • Jamal on Atlanta’s plan to be more physical with Rose: “That’s for everybody. It’s the playoffs. We are not getting easy baskets so they shouldn’t, either.”
  • Boozer has torn ligaments in his big toe.
  • L.D. on the delicate nature of being critical of star players during meetings: “Real pros look it in the eye and say, ‘Coach, you know what, you are right.’ They will say, ‘I have got to do this better, I have go to do that better.’ I am always open to suggestions from any of my players if there is something they would rather do. Sometimes as coaches we can make suggestions and a player says. ‘Let’s come back and try this way.’ I am good with that.”
  • Thibodeau on Teague successfully stepping in for Hinrich: “He’s a good player. He can score the ball and he’s done a good job defensively. It says a lot about him. It shows he’s stayed ready. He’s gotten his opportunity and he’s playing well.”
  • Thibodeau on the Hawks: “They are a tough team. They are hard to guard. They have a lot of weapons. We understand we have to play well but we are not changing what we do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

917 comments Add your comment

cp

May 8th, 2011
10:54 pm

Leave Marvin in Atlanta

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:55 pm

LOL @ the M-V-Teague sign.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:55 pm

My keys to tonight were:

Rebounding (Got outrebounded 37-36)
45+ for Joe/Jamal (Joe + JOSH combined for 47)
Commit hard fouls (didn’t happen)

3 players with 20+ pts!!

brigadierjerry

May 8th, 2011
10:56 pm

Best game I have seen Josh Smith play in a big spot.Even though he didnt shoot well got on the boards played inside out. Hustled.Passed. Actually look like he cared.

I like the teague Tony Parker comparison. Very quick can get to the cup.
Horford some good finishes inside off passes from Josh.Would like to see him more aggressive.
Johnson another solid game

I have told most Rose play reminds me a lot of Iverson.Volume shooter.Good guy but you if you can take his angles and make him work and hold the other players u will win.

Hawks can really win this series if they can play this way on a consistent basis

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:56 pm

hats off to our bigs tonight..

Al great game sir!

SteveW

May 8th, 2011
10:56 pm

Great game – what can I say?

Darrell Starks been screamin’ start Collins – it worked

Playin’ ZaZa more worked also

JJ, Josh, Al all on fire, but Jamal had the highest +/-

And of course props to Teague again – solid game – and Rose shot 11-31

Dead even – Series and us vs. the Bulls

We can do this thing.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:56 pm

I kept missing the M-V-Teague signs

Was it that one section that was doing it (behind the Hawks bench to the back)?

glw

May 8th, 2011
10:57 pm

I agree with Charles, the Hawks could be scary if they play Mike Dantoni system and just played up and down. they play so much better

SteveW

May 8th, 2011
10:57 pm

And I hope Stern wants ATL to win somehow, and sends the memo to the refs – we need the help, not Chicago

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:57 pm

Smoove had 17 and 13 2 nights ago

Too bad hardly anyone else showed up

sam'l

May 8th, 2011
10:58 pm

Well done Hawks! I don’t know what else to say…….

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:59 pm

So WTF happened in game 3?

It was a combination of no adjustments from game 2 (should’ve used Twin lineup).

Bulls only had 3 players in double figures

SHOULD BE UP 3-1!!!!!!!

SteveW

May 8th, 2011
10:59 pm

Rose is a sick (in a good way) basketball player – make no mistake about it.

And I still get mad at LD – what were you thinking sitting this kid?

But just keep winning, treat Teague respectable, and we’ll be fine

Marvin Williams

May 8th, 2011
11:00 pm

I am going to Chicago . I dont care what you bums say

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
11:00 pm

glw

May 8th, 2011
10:57 pm
I agree with Charles, the Hawks could be scary if they play Mike Dantoni system and just played up and down. they play so much better

co-sign

Art Vandelay

May 8th, 2011
11:01 pm

Whoever said earlier that all Rose has been doing is driving right and popping floaters – props.

We adjusted and made it tough on him near the end there.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
11:02 pm

My bad Sautee – now I remember

ZaZa NINE rebounds!!!

We ARE better than this team

START TWIN, JOSH ATTACK THE HOOP
HAWKS IN 6 OR 7

SteveW

May 8th, 2011
11:03 pm

Drama – what do we do when Kirk comes back?

1 weakness LD has is he does not know how to play 2 PG’s successfully.

Blast

May 8th, 2011
11:03 pm

Most interesting Inside The NBa to date. Took the Hawks to get them buzzing.

SteveW

May 8th, 2011
11:05 pm

Co-sign that up and down game also – That’s why Teague makes them look so good also

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
11:06 pm

Art,

I said something like that.

The guy is getting all these layups uncontested. Boozer had so many shots uncontested too.

COME ON GUYS

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
11:06 pm

“@johnhollinger Mike Bibby started ahead of Jeff Teague for 50 games this year. This really happened. 30 minutes ago”

yeah. now folks wanna take note of this. hawks fans have been screaming bout this ish for 2 seasons.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
11:06 pm

I still can’t believe 80% of Marvin shots were block tonight… SMH

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
11:07 pm

Charles has a point. The point guard can’t take that many shots, and especially if he’s going to miss that many. Deng and Korver are what killed them though. 1 – 11 from 3 point range for the two of them combined. But we closed out on them pretty well tonight.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
11:08 pm

It’s funny watching Phil Jackson walk off the court after a series because he never has anything to say to anyone. He just has that smug smile LOL

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
11:09 pm

It’s so nice to see JJ making 3 pointers again.

10 – 15 from 3 in this series

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
11:10 pm

I still want to see video of Hawks practice during the year.

Did Teague not try? WTF happened? Teague at his WORST (I think tonight was almost an OFF-NIGHT for Teague compared to his other monster nights in the series) is LIGHT YEARS better than Bibby will ever be the rest of his career or the past few years

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
11:10 pm

Ya’ll still taking about Marvin like he was a liability tonight. Marvin was GREAT on the defensive end. His block on Rose was great. Give that dude credit for playing defense, even if he didn’t score.

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
11:11 pm

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
11:07 pm

Charles has a point. The point guard can’t take that many shots, and especially if he’s going to miss that many. Deng and Korver are what killed them though. 1 – 11 from 3 point range for the two of them combined. But we closed out on them pretty well tonight.

I expressed that early when you were on your Teague bashing foolishness my friend. Rose was not playing well the guy went 11-32 and you running around talking about Teague not playing well on D. Come on Man!!! Teague can’t guard him by himself the team did well guarding him and he was bailed out at the FT line. Rose=’s a bigger version of Allen Iverson in his prime. With a good clean guy image as of now.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
11:12 pm

We gotta contest Rose better as he drives the lane. Either give him the jumpshot, or make sure his floaters are contested.

We are blocking shots well, but we gotta do better

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
11:13 pm

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
11:07 pm
Charles has a point. The point guard can’t take that many shots, and especially if he’s going to miss that many. Deng and Korver are what killed them though. 1 – 11 from 3 point range for the two of them combined. But we closed out on them pretty well tonight.

I agree with Webber. Rose has to take those shots and besides Chicago is a great offensive rebounding team. With that said the Hawks did a great job on the boards tonight.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
11:15 pm

Truth . . Teague did NOT have a good 1st half though. I was telling the truth then. He played much better in the 2nd half. Rose was blowing right by him in the 1st half, but missing shots at the rim once the bigs challenged his shot.

I’m not going to lie and say that Teague was playing “well” on defense in the 1st half, when he wasn’t. He did better in the 2nd half, in my opinion, than in the 1st half. Rose really got going when Jamal started guarding him. But when Teague got back on him, he played better and even ripped Rose during a critical part of the game.

Worldwide Clyde

May 8th, 2011
11:15 pm

Told yall before

Hawks in 7

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
11:16 pm

lol @ this Tibs guy, begging for more Rose whistles.. sheesh. how much more fuggery do you want?

Worldwide Clyde

May 8th, 2011
11:18 pm

The key tonight was keeping Marvin on the bench as much as possible

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
11:19 pm

Josh sounding like he still doesn’t get it.

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
11:20 pm

Josh Smith just made a Joe like comment about the fans.. i bet nobody makes a big deal about it..

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
11:22 pm

Josh really doesnt like the media asking im about taking jump shots..

like i said.. i think booing his jumper motivates him.. this guy has exceptional confidence in his game no matter critics say..

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
11:23 pm

he said the media trying to “TO” him..

lol.. love it.. get em J!

bo

May 8th, 2011
11:23 pm

cant wait until tuesday

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
11:24 pm

lol Josh a fool..

SteveW

May 8th, 2011
11:25 pm

Josh desperately doesn’t want to get it for whatever reason.

Good Josh, we can make the Championship Finals

Bad Josh, we may lose the next 2 games

Mike W

May 8th, 2011
11:25 pm

Alll we got to do is pray that these same hawks(same j smith) show up for game 5 on the road and 6 at home,GOOD WIN HAWKS LET GO GET ANOTHER ONE IN CHICAGO, Us fans all know this group is a riddle

SteveW

May 8th, 2011
11:27 pm

Wonder when Kirk gets back?

Hope LD doesn’t mess everything up if/when he does.

And Phil Jackson coached his last game? Kinda sad in a way – end of an era

And no more titles for the Lakers in the foreseeable future? Weird

Josh for Gaso? I wouldn’t – Pau looked done.

Rusty

May 8th, 2011
11:28 pm

Nortcyde give Teague a break. He is the main reason we won this game he makes this team play fast. He is what this team always needed. He really did not play poorly in the first half. I will give JJ credit for a good game but we certainly don’t need him trying to take over the game, that is a sure way to lose a game. Joe at this time in his career is to inconsistent. Credit js for a great hustle game. Great game teague.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
11:29 pm

Josh sounding like he still doesn’t get it.

What’d he say?

SteveW

May 8th, 2011
11:29 pm

I really underestimated the Mavs. They may want it more than anybody this year. We’ll see.

OKC Griz may go 7

Westbrook has had a couple of 4th quarter meltdowns lately. He’s got to learn he’s not Kevin Durant. Trying to be his equal on the court it looks like, and costing them games.

bo

May 8th, 2011
11:29 pm

jamal has to score 20 or more points next game

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
11:30 pm

“Josh desperately doesn’t want to get it for whatever reason.”

i didnt get that at all from his interview, nor his play..

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
11:31 pm

Let Rose score his 30 – who cares??

But you MUSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT contest guys like Deng and Boozer