Bulls at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Larry Drew: ‘No time to experiment with limitations’

This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .

L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.

These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.

“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”

It’s not just Josh.

Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.

“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.

Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.

“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”

And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.

“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”

The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.

“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”

I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.

“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”

What about Al?

Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.

Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.

In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).

Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:

“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”

Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.

“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”

Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.

“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”

‘Trust each other’

L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:

“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”

Notes

  • L.D. said he’s considering going with a “big” lineup that includes Twin or Zaza.
  • UPDATE: It’s the Twin lineup. Drew’s reasoning: “It gives us a different look. It also helps us on the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds the last game and the fact we did have some success with that lineup vs. Orlando, our guys are familiar with it. I think it’s time for change. We’ve made the decision to go with a bigger lineup and defensively we will tweak some things.”
  • Twin will have to check Noah, who presents a different dilemma than Dwight. “It will be a challenge for him,” L.D. said. “Noah is an energy guy that moves around a lot in the paint area. But I have all the confidence in the world that Jason has the ability to keep him off the glass. Jason certainly took the challenge against Dwight, understanding that Dwight is a little more sataionary than Noah, but I’m confident Jason can get the job done.”
  • The Bulls beat writers told me Thibodeau likely will crossmatch Noah against Al and give Twin to Boozer. Maybe Twin can post him up.
  • The Hawks have changed up their coverages for D-Rose. “We made some adjustments,” Jamal said. “I am sure you guys will be able to see tonight.”
  • Jamal on Atlanta’s plan to be more physical with Rose: “That’s for everybody. It’s the playoffs. We are not getting easy baskets so they shouldn’t, either.”
  • Boozer has torn ligaments in his big toe.
  • L.D. on the delicate nature of being critical of star players during meetings: “Real pros look it in the eye and say, ‘Coach, you know what, you are right.’ They will say, ‘I have got to do this better, I have go to do that better.’ I am always open to suggestions from any of my players if there is something they would rather do. Sometimes as coaches we can make suggestions and a player says. ‘Let’s come back and try this way.’ I am good with that.”
  • Thibodeau on Teague successfully stepping in for Hinrich: “He’s a good player. He can score the ball and he’s done a good job defensively. It says a lot about him. It shows he’s stayed ready. He’s gotten his opportunity and he’s playing well.”
  • Thibodeau on the Hawks: “They are a tough team. They are hard to guard. They have a lot of weapons. We understand we have to play well but we are not changing what we do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

917 comments Add your comment

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:42 pm

2 – 2

Up for grabs.

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:42 pm

great win!! wow..

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:43 pm

GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF U

EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

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NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

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NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

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JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

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EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

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JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF U

EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

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JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF U

EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

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JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF U

EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

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JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF U

EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

YES

JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF U

EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

YES

JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF U

EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

YES

JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! GREAT WIN HAWKS BLOG PEOPLE

I LOVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF U

EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

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JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

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EVEN BULLS VIRGIN NERD NO HOMO

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JOSH KEEP DRIVING THE BALL

NO JUMPSHOTS! NO JUMPSHOTS! NO JUMPSHOTS! NO JUMPSHOTS! NO JUMPSHOTS!

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:43 pm

confidence builder!!!!!!!

watch this game tape Hawks and find ya swag..

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
10:43 pm

@Melvin…i thought the same thing about it becomin’ Teague’ team to run now…

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2011
10:43 pm

Just gotta play with heart. The talent is there. You just gotta decide you want it ATL Hawks.

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
10:43 pm

wish they would show a replay of Josh’s missed dunk

Sleepy

May 8th, 2011
10:44 pm

someone pulled a cwebb ?

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:44 pm

DAMNIT DIDNT MEAN TO SPAM MY BAD

Blast

May 8th, 2011
10:44 pm

There you go Hawks! That’s how you tie this series up!

Why can’t Hawks play this way every game?

vava74

May 8th, 2011
10:44 pm

And Thibs can go and f*ck himself.

That was not a shooting foul.

steven

May 8th, 2011
10:44 pm

terrell

May 8th, 2011
10:44 pm

Yall believers now? Told yall bout Teague. Do your thang boy!

cp

May 8th, 2011
10:45 pm

good win.. leave Marvin in Atlanta

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:45 pm

WE SHOULDA WON GAME 3

COME ON LD, WE NEEDED THAT REBOUNDING ADJUSTMENT!!!!!!!!!!

JOSH KEEP DRIVING IT TO THE DAMN HOOP!!!!!!

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
10:45 pm

finally we get to see josh during the press conference

terrell

May 8th, 2011
10:45 pm

Marvin on the bench. We win!

honest_abe

May 8th, 2011
10:46 pm

josh keep bringing it.

vava74

May 8th, 2011
10:46 pm

We could easily be 3-1 or have swept these overrated goons…

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2011
10:46 pm

We can take CHI in game 5. Josh got the memo… almost a triple double!

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
10:46 pm

lmao josh almost said something he wasnt suppose to say

drmaryb (*_-)

May 8th, 2011
10:46 pm

Game Ball!

Larry Drew!
Phenomenal DE FENSE.

Jamal – Dagger!

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:46 pm

When Josh tries and drives to the hoop, he is about 70% of the player LBJ is, which makes him one of the best players in this league

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:46 pm

no doubt @ drmaryb

JJ gave us a great jumpstart, but it was Smith’s energy throughout the entire game that sustained us.

As long as Horford and Smith play smart, and toughen up on defense, the Bulls have no answer for this 3 guard lineup. If they put a weak defender on Teague, it’s up to Teague to take him right off the dribble. If they single cover us, you give it right to JJ and let him work. If they double the perimeter, you run the offense through Smith and let him make plays.

Smith’s interview is great. Love hearing that from him. Great game man.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:47 pm

DAMN everyone is on fire right now.

Leave Marvin in ATL.

ALL WE NEEDED in game 3 was to start Twin.

DAMNIT LD

U MADE NO ADJUSTMENTS

When Josh is at SF, he is freer and doesn’t have to play against Booze

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
10:47 pm

Josh ignored the question about his jumpshot. He has a future in congress.

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
10:47 pm

Good interview Josh.

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:47 pm

There’s no other way to describe Josh Smith…

He’s truly a ‘make or break’ type player.

I’ll eat the crow and give the guy kudos when he plays the way he did tonight.

Hopefully he takes notice how beastly he can be when he’s checkin his shot selection and playing aggressively.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
10:47 pm

they came to play!! see what happens when Marvin’s azz goes to bench. well played Hawks!!!

steven

May 8th, 2011
10:47 pm

this is where the hawks reel you in and then get blown out again once they give the city hope…let’s change that tuesday

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
10:48 pm

This game is so rigged Teague goes to rack and the rack him across his arms no call. Taj Gibson has the same thing happen to him while lowering his shoulder and we get called for foul. This is the most rigged game I have seen in the last 3 years atleast

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
10:48 pm

@JeJe…yep..instead of FREE Marvin…it’s LEAVE Marvin!!!LOL

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
10:49 pm

I love you Hawks flaws and all. Don’t trade noboby but Marvin

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:49 pm

JEJE’S KEYS TO WINNING THIS SERIES:

1) Leave Marvin in Atlanta. His 2 blocks were negated by his inexistence on every other play in this game

2) JOSH – NO JUMPSHOTS. PERIOD

3) Start TWIN!

GO HAWKS

Sleepy

May 8th, 2011
10:49 pm

The game is so much different for us when we are able to stay in it until the 4th get a small lead and then go to our 3 guard offense.

They tried to hide Korver on Teague and got exposed because of it

Art Vandelay

May 8th, 2011
10:49 pm

Our entire team played awesome today, from Josh to Joe, to my boy Teague.

Great game, lets win in 6! GO HAWKS!

cp

May 8th, 2011
10:49 pm

they have to come out and play like this in the next game

nerd chanting MVP

May 8th, 2011
10:49 pm

hey jeje. No homo for me either. The guy next to me just manipulated me thats all

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:49 pm

EFFORT.. EFFORT..EFFORT.

you simply gotta want it.

Buddy Grizzard

May 8th, 2011
10:49 pm

Las Vegas Larry playin CHESS blog people.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 8th, 2011
10:50 pm

Uh Oh!

That’s what Barkley said when Rose walked onto the court. Kenny say, “Why did you say Uh Oh! Charles?” Barkley said, “I thought Rose wasn’t playing tonight, if he shows up the Hawks don’t have a chance.”
________________

Well ….

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:50 pm

Horford was 9-11, but only 5 boards?

Smoove hAD FIVE offensive boards

Wow what a night. Gotta steal game 5.

We ARE better than this team

START TWIN

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:50 pm

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
10:48 pm
“This game is so rigged Teague goes to rack and the rack him across his arms no call. Taj Gibson has the same thing happen to him while lowering his shoulder and we get called for foul. This is the most rigged game I have seen in the last 3 years atleast”

Co-sign

I know some of it had to do with the ’superstar’ effect. But, Jamal got hammered by Asik and no call. Come right back down and Rose gets a foul on a floater.

Fast forward to Josh Smith on a put-back on his own miss. Dude puts the ball in the hoop, clearly got fouled, but didn’t get a whistle.

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
10:51 pm

M-V-Teague.

And great game from Josh. He has the talent to have these games all the time. Keep it up Josh.

Very efficient game from JJ. And Collins gave us a good start. And very good defense from Marvin.

The refs kept the bulls in it, but the Hawks played the way Drew wants them to play.

Great team win.

Blast

May 8th, 2011
10:51 pm

All through the pregame, ESPN never even talked about Hawks, despite showing Rose’s tear jerker with his mama. Now that Hawks beat the Bulls, let’s see what TNT has to say about that.

They probably will just talk about LA and Dallas winning.

Yawn!

Would rather watch NBA TV for full, unbiased coverage.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:51 pm

Horford with the quietest 20 points in NBA history. Mainly because they were layups and dunks. Hardly any jumpers by him tonight.

I guess there’s your Big 3 for Atlanta

JJ – 24 points – 5 assists

Smith – 23 points – 16 rebs – 8 assists

Horford – 20 points – 5 rebs – 4 assists

And the role players all did what they’re supposed to do. Just a great game tonight. Way to put some energy back into the series.

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:52 pm

damn a game..

Josh might have just swung the momentum of the series.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
10:52 pm

if LD does not follow this same lineup formula…well…it is LD come to think of it…

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
10:52 pm

Is this the night Josh finally gets IT?

bo

May 8th, 2011
10:53 pm

Hawks will win this series