Bulls at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Larry Drew: ‘No time to experiment with limitations’

This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .

L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.

These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.

“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”

It’s not just Josh.

Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.

“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.

Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.

“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”

And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.

“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”

The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.

“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”

I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.

“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”

What about Al?

Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.

Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.

In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).

Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:

“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”

Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.

“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”

Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.

“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”

‘Trust each other’

L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:

“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”

Notes

  • L.D. said he’s considering going with a “big” lineup that includes Twin or Zaza.
  • UPDATE: It’s the Twin lineup. Drew’s reasoning: “It gives us a different look. It also helps us on the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds the last game and the fact we did have some success with that lineup vs. Orlando, our guys are familiar with it. I think it’s time for change. We’ve made the decision to go with a bigger lineup and defensively we will tweak some things.”
  • Twin will have to check Noah, who presents a different dilemma than Dwight. “It will be a challenge for him,” L.D. said. “Noah is an energy guy that moves around a lot in the paint area. But I have all the confidence in the world that Jason has the ability to keep him off the glass. Jason certainly took the challenge against Dwight, understanding that Dwight is a little more sataionary than Noah, but I’m confident Jason can get the job done.”
  • The Bulls beat writers told me Thibodeau likely will crossmatch Noah against Al and give Twin to Boozer. Maybe Twin can post him up.
  • The Hawks have changed up their coverages for D-Rose. “We made some adjustments,” Jamal said. “I am sure you guys will be able to see tonight.”
  • Jamal on Atlanta’s plan to be more physical with Rose: “That’s for everybody. It’s the playoffs. We are not getting easy baskets so they shouldn’t, either.”
  • Boozer has torn ligaments in his big toe.
  • L.D. on the delicate nature of being critical of star players during meetings: “Real pros look it in the eye and say, ‘Coach, you know what, you are right.’ They will say, ‘I have got to do this better, I have go to do that better.’ I am always open to suggestions from any of my players if there is something they would rather do. Sometimes as coaches we can make suggestions and a player says. ‘Let’s come back and try this way.’ I am good with that.”
  • Thibodeau on Teague successfully stepping in for Hinrich: “He’s a good player. He can score the ball and he’s done a good job defensively. It says a lot about him. It shows he’s stayed ready. He’s gotten his opportunity and he’s playing well.”
  • Thibodeau on the Hawks: “They are a tough team. They are hard to guard. They have a lot of weapons. We understand we have to play well but we are not changing what we do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

917 comments Add your comment

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:26 pm

Nice crossover by Josh…

mrmavman

May 8th, 2011
10:26 pm

dallas mavericks fan here going for the hawks on this one

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:26 pm

J hooping.. point blank period.

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
10:26 pm

Josh with a handle…HUH!!!???

cp

May 8th, 2011
10:26 pm

there you go Josh but come on Teague you were wide open

drmaryb (*_-)

May 8th, 2011
10:26 pm

Blow The Whistle!

Hawks can’t buy a call! No turns and we win! Good Josh showed up tonight. Jamal disappeared. Come on Al!

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:27 pm

Horford must play like a MAN from here on out, if he’s going to play center.

Josh Smith

May 8th, 2011
10:27 pm

I get it now

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:27 pm

That ball was off Deng….

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:27 pm

Hawks have to be alert.. Rose will take that pull up 3

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:27 pm

And right on cue, he gives up an offensive rebound to Noah

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:28 pm

lol @ Mykhalc

Damn right!

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
10:28 pm

jamal can not guard rose

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:28 pm

Only one shot for JJ in the 4th quarter, and 3 for the entire 2nd half.

Hawks are still in it, but it will be interesting to see if he starts shooting right now.

Horford finally gets a shot to fall.

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:28 pm

look at that…

teaguerrrrrrrr

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:28 pm

Big shot by AL….

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:29 pm

WHY THE HELL IS JAMAL ON ROSE?

HE DOES THE EXACT SAME MOVE EVERY TIME

MY GOD

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:29 pm

Jamal on Rose is an absolute fail . . . make the adjustment Drew.

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
10:29 pm

Teague is a beast.

cp

May 8th, 2011
10:29 pm

there you go Teagueeeeee

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:29 pm

lets go teagueee

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:29 pm

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
10:30 pm

LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:30 pm

Teague is a BALLER….

mykhalc

May 8th, 2011
10:30 pm

@JeJe…5 on 5 ball is great!!!LOL

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:30 pm

Two great plays by Teague.

I don’t know if Jamal should be in this game right there. Drew may want to go for defense, instead of offense. We need stops and rebounds now.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:30 pm

HELL YES NORTHCYDE

What an egregious matchup

The dude goes right every time and hits the floater

ADJUST

TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:30 pm

watch that pull up 3 from Rose.. he will go down bussin..

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
10:30 pm

Come on Hawks, you can do it! Close this game out!

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:31 pm

i rather give up the Jamal on Rose matchup than have Jamal get ate up chasing Korver and concede the wide open 3 ball..

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:31 pm

2-2 and it’s anybody’s series.

Hawks gotta close this ish out

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:31 pm

I said first team to 88 wins the game. Well . . we’re at 88 first.

steven

May 8th, 2011
10:31 pm

I’d rather have Jamal on Rose than on Korver but that’s just me

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:31 pm

only if we had a slim shady to throw in the defensive mix..

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:32 pm

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:31 pm
“i rather give up the Jamal on Rose matchup than have Jamal get ate up chasing Korver and concede the wide open 3 ball..”

co-sign

the hawks need to do a better job helping regardless of whose on rose.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:32 pm

CLOSE THIS OUT

GET STOPS

BOX OUT

DIVE FOR LOOSE BALLS

NO LAYUPS (Jameer at end of game 6)

Sleepy

May 8th, 2011
10:32 pm

Cmon dunces without jamal in the game JJ and Teague would be doubled everytime its a reason we use the 3 guard lineup

We are supposed to be doubling and the help is coming crazy late when the help comes early we force a turnover or bad shot everytime

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
10:33 pm

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:33 pm

tremaine

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Art Vandelay

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

Josh unstoppable right now. This is amazing.

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

common noah…

clap your arse back to your bench

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

Josh to Horford is killing the Bulls tonight….

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

Good look by JJ to find Smith on the inside, who finds Horford.

(( clapping ))

Superstar game from Josh Smith tonight.

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

Smith going for the triple double

marvin williams

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

Why is everyone pissed at me? As soon as I learn how to walk upright them I can work on my game

Blast

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

Hawks showing some heart here.

Sleepy

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

and just like Rose does the same move the help is waiting on him and the bad shot is forced

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:34 pm

great poise by Jeff to pull it out on that potential break..

on the offensive side of the ball, get into your stuff early. no need to work in short clock and get a less than desirable shot..