Bulls at Atlanta Hawks Game 4: Larry Drew: ‘No time to experiment with limitations’

This is what it’s like to coach the Hawks sometimes. . .

L.D. looks at his computer screen, where Smoove’s shooting percentages by distance are displayed. He holds up a shooting chart of Josh’s misses and makes.

These are the tools L.D. uses to try to convince Josh to stop taking Js.

“I’ve had talks with him: ‘You can’t take those shots. You are not making them,’” he said. “When I talk to my players and I am making a point, I back it up with numbers and facts and video.”

It’s not just Josh.

Following Game 3, the theory among Atlanta’s bigs was that their help against D-Rose’s penetration contributed to Chicago’s 18 offensive rebounds. So L.D. showed his players video cut-ups of each of those rebounds and put them into categories.

“Whether it’s Rose involved, or whether a poor block out or bad rotation, or whether they just man-for-man went after that ball more than we did,” he said.

Drew said “not blocking out” won in a landslide.

“At the end of the game, we look at the stat sheet and say, ‘Eighteen offensive rebounds, we have got to do something differently if our coverages are putting us at a disadvantage.’” Drew said. “That was not the case. This is just about man-on-man. It’s my will against his will.”

And so it goes down the list, L.D. showing the Hawks how they can be better and the players seeming to get the message only sometimes.

“You hope as a coach [you have] a team that knows their strengths and knows their limitations,” Drew said. “A player that knows strengths tries to put himself in a position where he can be successful nine times out of 10. A player who has limitations, he is going to try to stay away from it as much as he can because he knows that is going to hurt himself and hurt the team. Here we are in playoff basketball; it is no time to experiment with your limitations now.”

The Hawks shared the ball in Game 1, their best offensive game of the series. But by Game 3 it was lots of dribbling by J.J., no ball movement, no player movement, poor shot selection.

“That’s the story of the whole year,” L.D. said. “We play together and play out of double teams one game, then we come back and try to beat the double teams ourselves the next game. That’s just inconsistency. We watch film and we show where we do move the ball out of a double team. And then we have games where we try to beat the double teams ourselves. We show that day, after day, after day, after day. It’s got to click in and they’ve got to see when we move the ball, it works. And when we move the ball, we become more effective. And when we move the ball, it puts the defense in a bind.”

I told L.D. his players sometimes seem more focused on the result than the process. In other words, if they share the ball and the shots go in then they have no problem keeping it up. If they share the ball and they don’t make shots–even if they creates some good ones–then it doesn’t take long before they abandon that approach and start going one-on-one.

“It’s not going to work all the time,” Drew said. “In sharing the basketball, success should not be predicated on our makes. It should be predicated on are we getting good shots or the shot that we want or if it’s a high percentage shots. As long as we get good looks, and it’s the right person shooting it, that’s successful offense.”

What about Al?

Al’s offensive struggles have caused great anxiety among my blog people. Some of you have implored me to “find out what’s going on with Al,” as if you don’t believe what you see so there must be some hidden reason to explain his ineffectiveness.

Seriously, though, I understand the angst. You may not like it when J.J. dribbles out possessions or Josh jacks up momentum-sapping Js but at least those are expected developments. But if the most reliable scorer on the team for most of the season can’t get it done, then all hope is lost.

In the comments yesterday I said that my view was a) the pick-and-pop hasn’t been there for Al b) he’s been stymied by Chicago’s physical D, led by Noah, when he tries to go inside and c) he’s been taking too long to make decisions with the ball (it got him, too).

Today L.D. gave his view on Al’s issues:

“I don’t think it’s as much they have taken [the jump shot] away as he is rushing his shot when he gets it. Down in the low post he has got to be more of a workhorse. They are matching Noah on him and Noah is a good defender and I think that is bothering him a little bit. They are playing him more physical where he is not getting to his spots. Even Gibson is matched up against him and we are not gaining an advantage. He has got to be more of a workhorse down low, he has got to look for his shot. He’s had some good looks, particularly the last game, last game he was really just rushing his shot. There were a couple he took it looked like they didn’t have a chance. He has got to be more in-tune, more in-focus, and work into getting into his shooting spot and shooting form faster. They are a good defensive team and they get to people quicker.”

Al said after Game 3 that the Bulls have taken away the pick-and-pops and he’d like to get more post-ups. So today I asked him if he still thinks that’s the answer.

“At this point I am really going to focus more on my defense and rebounding,” he said. “If I get the post-ups that’s great but I think I have to keep impacting the team on the defense end and rebounding in order to make a difference.”

Al has had some success by quickly driving the ball when Noah runs hard at him to deny the pick-and-pop. Al said that’s one option to counter it.

“I just have to make adjustments as a player,” he said. “Whether it is giving an extra pass to my teammates or rolling instead of popping—just something different.”

‘Trust each other’

L.D. also had more to say about what Joe needs to do to get on track:

“First of all, you have got to really study film. Look and see what they are trying to take away from you. Look and see from a team defensive standpoint what they are trying to do to you. Obviously with him on the side they are crowding him and bringing an extra guy over–what we saw against Orlando, basically. They are playing him a little bit more aggressive on the ball, but as far as bringing another guy over it’s the same thing [the Magic] did with Dwight and we combated that by not just pounding the ball but swinging it quick and getting it to the other side and attack it. A lot of his attacks have to be from the middle of the floor, we will put more focus on that moving forward. But the one thing you can’t do is pound, and pound, and pound the ball and try to shoot it over double teams because you are playing into their hands. We have got to have the same trust in this series as we had in the Orlando series. We played out of double teams, we got the ball moved, we went into the second phase of our offense. We’ve got to trust in one another. We have definitely got to get the ball moved. Especially in this series because Chicago, on paper, is a better defensive team. Against a team that loads up on the first side, they are rangy, athletic, strong, you can’t hold the ball on one side and try to pound it.”

Notes

  • L.D. said he’s considering going with a “big” lineup that includes Twin or Zaza.
  • UPDATE: It’s the Twin lineup. Drew’s reasoning: “It gives us a different look. It also helps us on the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds the last game and the fact we did have some success with that lineup vs. Orlando, our guys are familiar with it. I think it’s time for change. We’ve made the decision to go with a bigger lineup and defensively we will tweak some things.”
  • Twin will have to check Noah, who presents a different dilemma than Dwight. “It will be a challenge for him,” L.D. said. “Noah is an energy guy that moves around a lot in the paint area. But I have all the confidence in the world that Jason has the ability to keep him off the glass. Jason certainly took the challenge against Dwight, understanding that Dwight is a little more sataionary than Noah, but I’m confident Jason can get the job done.”
  • The Bulls beat writers told me Thibodeau likely will crossmatch Noah against Al and give Twin to Boozer. Maybe Twin can post him up.
  • The Hawks have changed up their coverages for D-Rose. “We made some adjustments,” Jamal said. “I am sure you guys will be able to see tonight.”
  • Jamal on Atlanta’s plan to be more physical with Rose: “That’s for everybody. It’s the playoffs. We are not getting easy baskets so they shouldn’t, either.”
  • Boozer has torn ligaments in his big toe.
  • L.D. on the delicate nature of being critical of star players during meetings: “Real pros look it in the eye and say, ‘Coach, you know what, you are right.’ They will say, ‘I have got to do this better, I have go to do that better.’ I am always open to suggestions from any of my players if there is something they would rather do. Sometimes as coaches we can make suggestions and a player says. ‘Let’s come back and try this way.’ I am good with that.”
  • Thibodeau on Teague successfully stepping in for Hinrich: “He’s a good player. He can score the ball and he’s done a good job defensively. It says a lot about him. It shows he’s stayed ready. He’s gotten his opportunity and he’s playing well.”
  • Thibodeau on the Hawks: “They are a tough team. They are hard to guard. They have a lot of weapons. We understand we have to play well but we are not changing what we do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

917 comments Add your comment

bo

May 8th, 2011
10:03 pm

when Jamal is not dominating the ball he is lost

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:03 pm

Jamal is trying to play hero ball

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:03 pm

Horrible close out to that quarter. Jamal we need you to play aggressive, but under control. Stop that wild ish.

Worldwide Clyde

May 8th, 2011
10:04 pm

Drew needs to stick with Collins

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:04 pm

Really Hawks?

We were up 8 at one point…

And we go into the 4th down 2?

bo

May 8th, 2011
10:04 pm

when Jamal is not dominating the ball he is lost

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
10:04 pm

hawks should be up by at least 6

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:04 pm

Marvin is 0-5 and doesn’t have 1 rebound

Well northcyde Horford has 3 rebounds. Getting owned by someone with Turf Toe.

SMDH

LionHearted

May 8th, 2011
10:04 pm

Time to choke this game away. Hawks aren’t good enuff.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:04 pm

Marvin is 0-5 and doesn’t have 1 rebound

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:04 pm

truthspitter

May 8th, 2011
10:05 pm

This game turned on that phantom kick ball call. I am quite sure this game is rigged. It is obvious

cp

May 8th, 2011
10:05 pm

wtf Jamal smh. lead gone

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
10:05 pm

The Hawks did a terrible job of closing out that quarter, and the Bulls will start the fourth with possession of the ball, which means we are once again playing from behind. The Hawks need to jump the Bulls right from the start of the fourth quarter in order to grab the lead and keep it for the rest of the game.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:05 pm

Dude has turf toe and is left open for every shot.

F’ing send him to the ground

Put Collins back in

Najeh Davenpoop

May 8th, 2011
10:05 pm

Horrible end to the quarter. Bulls outhustled the Hawks after the timeout.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:05 pm

I will say it again. 4 of Marvin’s 5 shots (80%) have been block…. My goodnes…

Brandon

May 8th, 2011
10:06 pm

On a positive note, we will finally be free from foul trouble entering the fourth quarter, which means all of our players can play aggressively. Collins has 4 fouls, but knowing Drew, I doubt he’ll play much anyway. Other than that, no one has more than 3 fouls, so we are good to go with the foul situation.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:06 pm

I hope all they talk about on the radio tomorrow morning is Marvin

#2 overall pick

0-5 FG, no rebounds

1 rebound 2 nights ago

Dude is 6″9, maybe 6″10

SMDH

Sleepy

May 8th, 2011
10:07 pm

Why is Marvin in right now ? Damien should be in at this point.

Sautee

May 8th, 2011
10:07 pm

Horford has a confidence problem. So take it inside again, Al.

And don’t fall for that same ish that you fooled the Clippers with.

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:07 pm

ZaZa and Al not picking up the slack when Josh left.

Marvin doesnt have expectations. anything he contributes positively is bonus.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:07 pm

We still have not committed one hard foul in this series.

FIRE LD

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:08 pm

JJ is highly efficient tonight, but still not enough shots ( 11 ). He should be around 15 shots, with the way he’s shooting the ball tonight. We have too many people taking bad shots, other than him.

4th quarter.

Now the questions are:

- who will be taking the shots down the stretch for ATL
- will the Hawks keep playing defense
- can they keep the Bulls off the boards

As Kerr said, it seems like we should be winning or up by more. Instead, we’re down 2. First team to 88 wins.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:08 pm

What’d Al do vs the Clippers?

The Real Mandingo

May 8th, 2011
10:08 pm

Marvin Williams’ role on Hawks team:

1. Provide warm body
2. Disrupt offense
3. Continuously underachieve and regress
4. Pi_s off Hawks’ fans.
5. Make coaching staff, franchise mgmt. and City of Atlanta look stupid.

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:09 pm

JJ getting a rest. It’s critical that Jamal gives us some offense here.

Right on cue.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:09 pm

Damnit Jamal stop trying to be hero and just finish the play

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:10 pm

Leave Rose open for jumpshots, but QUIT LEAVING HIM OPEN FOR RUNNERS

JESUS

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
10:10 pm

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:10 pm

LOL @ that nerd chanting MVP.

Dude has never been laid before

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:10 pm

Horrible with the MVP chants being clearly heard.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:11 pm

JOSH HELP OUT

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:11 pm

yo these refs are f’n bogus

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
10:12 pm

Rev in Tampa

May 8th, 2011
10:12 pm

Teague needs to put better effort at staying between Rose and basket on that last drive.

steven

May 8th, 2011
10:12 pm

Help D please..

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:12 pm

Great pass by JJ . . but the refs refuse to call fouls when Smith is hit. I’m just glad that he’s following his shot.

Missed 3 by JJ, but there’s Zaza to gather the miss. (( clappin )) That’s how you get on the offensive boards.

bo

May 8th, 2011
10:12 pm

Offense is stalling

J.J.M.

May 8th, 2011
10:12 pm

lay rose on his ass for once

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:12 pm

Jamal should have help Teague on that last drive by Rose…

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:12 pm

we need STOPS

bigdave

May 8th, 2011
10:13 pm

hang in there..

northcyde

May 8th, 2011
10:13 pm

Teague isn’t slowing down Rose at all now. He’s in full attack mode. The help defense really has to be solid from here on out.

Melvin

May 8th, 2011
10:13 pm

Can we please TRAP Rose on those pick and rolls plays. Bigs need to show hard…

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:13 pm

I don’t understand how Boozer and Rose are hurt yet are owning us

Why is every single Rose penetration uncontested?

Why has every shot Boozer has taken been uncontested?

SMDH

O'Brien

May 8th, 2011
10:14 pm

Hawks need to force rose to give up the ball. And we need to stay close until JJ comes back to close it out.

Wabe

May 8th, 2011
10:14 pm

In the first half, the Hawks did a good job on helping Teague when Rose looked like he was gonna turn the corner.

Now the Hawks are showing help, but they’re pulling off before Teague can recover. He has open lanes to the hoop.

JeJe

May 8th, 2011
10:14 pm

That runner Noah took that was way off, those are the types of plays we need to force. Gotta guard Rose better. MAKE HIM SHOOT. DONT LET HIM DRIVE

Sleepy

May 8th, 2011
10:14 pm

When Korver is not in the game you double Rose off anyone but Deng especially when the clock gets to under 10.

Make him give it up heck at this point we shouldve went zone