Atlanta Hawks: Video: Recapping Hawks-Bulls Game 3

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J from the A

May 7th, 2011
11:04 am

J from the A

May 7th, 2011
11:04 am

Look for the Hawks to have a big bounce-back game tomorrow!

(But, then again, I thought they were going to have a big bounce-back game last night, too … )

drmaryb (*_-)

May 7th, 2011
11:31 am

Poll Question: Will the Hawks win or lose game 4?
drmaryb: No doubt.

Section 303

May 7th, 2011
11:36 am

drmaryb(*_-), do you really need to ask? The Hawks are losing Game 4. I don’t think I have ever seen an easier poll question.

It was not a bad pick

May 7th, 2011
11:36 am

If Drew starts a true center we will win if not we will lose!

TMAC from ATL

May 7th, 2011
11:40 am

It is unfortunate the Hawks get into the playoffs and can’t seem to figure out how to win games. If you continue doing the same thing and get negative results, just stop. Stop shooting 3’s if you can’t and get under the boards and help AL. Because of contracts the Hawks will have the same starting 5 next year. I can’t wait!!!

O'Brien

May 7th, 2011
12:03 pm

303,

Don’t give up. Hawks had a bad loss in game 5 in Orlando, but rebounded to win game 6. I think Hawks win game 4.

MC,

Good report, but your delivery sounded like you would rather be somewhere else.

Michael Cunningham

May 7th, 2011
12:05 pm

@O’Brien: there’s a reason i write. it was like 1 a.m. though

O'Brien

May 7th, 2011
12:06 pm

FTPB,

blogman,

If you think JJ is overated, put him on the Bulls team and see how he takes his game to another level. The problem for us is given JJ’s laid back nonchalant attitude, he doesnt have what it takes to be Batman. but he is a very good Robin. The Hawks just dont have enough good players or a good enough HC to maximie JJ’s talents (imo).

northcyde,

I agree. We need to give Rose the Jordan treatment that the Bulls gave to JJ and Jamal. Everytime those guys caught the ball, even if it was at mid court, they ran 2 defenders at them and forced them to give up the ball.

LD did not make any adjustment after game 2, and he did not make any adjustments during game 3. At some point, dont you have to double Rose quickly, and make somebody else beat you? At some point, dont you have to put Etan or somebody in to play the role of goon and put Rose on his butt? LD and the players did nothing.

O'Brien

May 7th, 2011
12:10 pm

Question for the blog.

Except for the PG position, are the Bulls more talented than the Hawks on paper?

I dont think they are. Hubie Brown said a good coach is able to get his best players high percentage shots in high percentage areas (based on the player’s regular season statistics). But our coach doesnt know how to do that.

All we know how to do is pass the ball around until we get a good shot. If jumpers fall, we look good. If they dont, we look really bad.

Hawks just need better role players, and a better HC who can get the players to buy in.

Lukas

May 7th, 2011
12:11 pm

For the 1st time since Horford got here, i was happy when LD benched him in the 1st half. Dude is offering NOTHING!! There was a sequence where DRose crossed JT0 and bullied his way through the middle for the 2-handed dunk. In this sequence you can see clearly that Horford only threw a hand to the ball instead of blocking the shoot or giving a hard foul.

I could live with him not being an offensive force, but in defense?! it’s unacceptable!! he offers no resistance at the rim, does not help on defense, watch everybody grab rebounds around him, gets pushed away at will by Noah and Gibson, his man is grabbing offensive rebounds over his head. The only thing that is left, and i would not be surprised if that happens, is that DRose gives him a 2-handed facial!!

All-Star?? hell no!! Soft-Gal? definitely!!

josh

May 7th, 2011
12:13 pm

jj and jamel have to step up if the Hawks are going to do anything in this series. The hawks success or lack there of rest on there shoulders. Saying that, Teague has showed that he is ready to start next year. Has has really impressed this series and if he improves his outside shot he could really be a force. The Hawks are a defensive starting caliber center and Josh becoming more of a slasher away from really competing in the east.

josh

May 7th, 2011
12:14 pm

oh yeah, and a real coach!

builder dawg

May 7th, 2011
12:35 pm

hawks suck,,,,how are you not up for a playoff game? losers

Nookah

May 7th, 2011
1:12 pm

We will win Game 4 ’cause that’s how we roll. This series will go to a Game 7 and we will win.

Nuff said!!

Go Hawks!!!

Worldwide Clyde

May 7th, 2011
1:20 pm

Worldwide Clyde

May 7th, 2011
2:05 pm

Lukas I’ve been saying this about Horford since he came to Atlanta. He doesn’t try and block the shot or take a charge. All he does is swipe at the ball.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
2:14 pm

“Except for the PG position, are the Bulls more talented than the Hawks on paper?”

No. They play much better as a unit than the Hawks ever have though, and their supporting cast seems to understand their individual strengths and weaknesses much better than the Hawks ever have.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
2:17 pm

But with that said, you can’t underestimate the impact of a superstar on a team. Derrick Rose has the ability to erase the mistakes of his supporting cast in a way Joe Johnson never will. Even if 2-15 the Hawks are more talented, the Bulls’ best player is better than the Hawks’ best player by a large enough margin that it tips the balance to the Bulls.

brigadierjerry

May 7th, 2011
2:34 pm

Najeh,

That is true and shows that you do need superstars. You know what is interesting. Miami Heat all they do is play iso ball. The difference is they have better iso players and they do it better and play defense

brigadierjerry

May 7th, 2011
2:37 pm

Any of these free agents interest anyone?

Player Team Type
Hilton Armstrong Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Collins Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Jamal Crawford Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Josh Powell Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Etan Thomas Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Damien Wilkins Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Carlos Arroyo Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Glen Davis Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Jeff Green Boston Restricted F.A.
Nenad Krstic Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Troy Murphy Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Aleksandar Pavlovic Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Von Wafer Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Delonte West Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Kwame Brown Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Dante Cunningham Charlotte Restricted F.A.
Dominic McGuire Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Joel Przybilla Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Garrett Temple Charlotte Restricted F.A.
Rasual Butler Chicago Unrestricted F.A.
Brian Scalabrine Chicago Unrestricted F.A.
Kurt Thomas Chicago Unrestricted F.A.
Anthony Parker Cleveland Unrestricted F.A.
Jose Barea Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Caron Butler Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Brian Cardinal Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Tyson Chandler Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
DeShawn Stevenson Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Peja Stojakovic Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Arron Afflalo Denver Restricted F.A.
Wilson Chandler Denver Restricted F.A.
Melvin Ely Denver Unrestricted F.A.
Gary Forbes Denver Restricted F.A.
Kenyon Martin Denver Unrestricted F.A.
J.R. Smith Denver Unrestricted F.A.
Jonas Jerebko Detroit Restricted F.A.
Tracy McGrady Detroit Unrestricted F.A.
Tayshaun Prince Detroit Unrestricted F.A.
Rodney Stuckey Detroit Restricted F.A.
DaJuan Summers Detroit Restricted F.A.
Chris Wilcox Detroit Unrestricted F.A.
Acie Law Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Vladimir Radmanovic Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Al Thornton Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Reggie Williams Golden State Restricted F.A.
Mike Harris Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Chuck Hayes Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Ming Yao Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Dunleavy Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
T.J. Ford Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Jeff Foster Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Solomon Jones Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Josh McRoberts Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Ike Diogu L.A. Clippers Unrestricted F.A.
DeAndre Jordan L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Jamario Moon L.A. Clippers Unrestricted F.A.
Craig Smith L.A. Clippers Unrestricted F.A.
Trey Johnson L.A. Lakers Restricted F.A.
Theo Ratliff L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Joe Smith L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Shane Battier Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Marc Gasol Memphis Restricted F.A.
Hamed Haddadi Memphis Restricted F.A.
Leon Powe Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Bibby Miami Unrestricted F.A.
Mario Chalmers Miami Restricted F.A.
Erick Dampier Miami Unrestricted F.A.
Juwan Howard Miami Unrestricted F.A.
Jamaal Magloire Miami Unrestricted F.A.
Earl Boykins Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Chris Douglas-Roberts Milwaukee Restricted F.A.
Luc Mbah a Moute Milwaukee Restricted F.A.
Michael Redd Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Sebastian Telfair Minnesota Unrestricted F.A.
Dan Gadzuric New Jersey Unrestricted F.A.
Kris Humphries New Jersey Unrestricted F.A.
Ben Uzoh New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Sasha Vujacic New Jersey Unrestricted F.A.
Mario West New Jersey Unrestricted F.A.
Brandan Wright New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Marcus Banks New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Marco Belinelli New Orleans Restricted F.A.
Willie Green New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Carl Landry New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
DJ Mbenga New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Smith New Orleans Restricted F.A.
Derrick Brown New York Restricted F.A.
Anthony Carter New York Unrestricted F.A.
Jared Jeffries New York Unrestricted F.A.
Roger Mason New York Unrestricted F.A.
Shawne Williams New York Unrestricted F.A.
Shelden Williams New York Unrestricted F.A.
Daequan Cook Oklahoma City Restricted F.A.
Nazr Mohammed Oklahoma City Unrestricted F.A.
Malik Allen Orlando Unrestricted F.A.
Earl Clark Orlando Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Richardson Orlando Unrestricted F.A.
Tony Battie Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Spencer Hawes Philadelphia Restricted F.A.
Jason Kapono Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Darius Songaila Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Thaddeus Young Philadelphia Restricted F.A.
Aaron Brooks Phoenix Restricted F.A.
Grant Hill Phoenix Unrestricted F.A.
Patrick Mills Portland Restricted F.A.
Greg Oden Portland Restricted F.A.
Samuel Dalembert Sacramento Unrestricted F.A.
Marquis Daniels Sacramento Unrestricted F.A.
Darnell Jackson Sacramento Restricted F.A.
Marcus Thornton Sacramento Restricted F.A.
Steve Novak San Antonio Unrestricted F.A.
Chris Quinn San Antonio Unrestricted F.A.
Alexis Ajinca Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Joey Dorsey Toronto Restricted F.A.
Reggie Evans Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Sonny Weems Toronto Restricted F.A.
Julian Wright Toronto Restricted F.A.
Francisco Elson Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Kyrylo Fesenko Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Andrei Kirilenko Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Ronnie Price Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Earl Watson Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Kyle Weaver Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Maurice Evans Washington Unrestricted F.A.
Josh Howard Washington Unrestricted F.A.
Othyus Jeffers Washington Restricted F.A.
Yi Jianlian Washington Restricted F.A.
Hamady Ndiaye Washington Restricted F.A.
Larry Owens Washington Restricted F.A.
Mustafa Shakur Washington Restricted F.A.
Nick Young Washington Restricted F.A.
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Nate ArchiBALL

May 7th, 2011
2:44 pm

@OBrien – Hubie should know – As a NBA coach Hubie had a won-loss% of .461

SteveW

May 7th, 2011
2:45 pm

FA’s all depend on if LD is still here.

I wouldn’t mind a Troy Murphy and Berea – especially Berea if whoever our Coach is will start Teague and have Hinrich off the bench. That’s assuming we don’t re-sign Jamal of course.

Now Jason Richardson would be great off the bench for a wing – but I don’t think he’s coming

Collins and Wilkens re-sign

SteveW

May 7th, 2011
2:46 pm

Kwame showed me enough this season with the ‘Cats, that in a League with very few C’s he might could help behind Al and ZaZa

SteveW

May 7th, 2011
2:46 pm

AS a back up PF – I wouldn’t mind Ajinca

SteveW

May 7th, 2011
2:47 pm

For brute strength – Fesenko may be good. Dalembert for short stretches off the bench is not bad either.

SteveW

May 7th, 2011
2:48 pm

Of course Glen Davis and Cook may be good fits on the team also.

But some of these guys are mental cases. I’m not sure we need any more of those with our “fragile psyche”.

brigadierjerry

May 7th, 2011
2:52 pm

Caron Butler and Battier are interesting FA’s to me as well as Josh Mcroberts and Jeff Foster who are goons that can rebound and play defense

Steve W- You dont think LD will be back next season?

KBP

May 7th, 2011
2:53 pm

Gotta start Collins to keep us from getting killed on the the offensive glass. We can win with Rose getting 40+. Can’t win with Noah, Boozer, and Gibson gettin double digit offensive rebounds.

Slim

May 7th, 2011
3:09 pm

Back to the Josh Smith at small forward line up. We need the size.

The highest percentage Dwight got on offensive boards was 17%. Last night Joakim frikkin Noah got 26%.

Drew says he’s “considering” going back to the “big” lineup. It’s not big. It’s normal sized. Hawks are the only one’s still in the playoffs who use a guy who measured at 6′8 at power forward AND a guy who’s barely 6′10 at center. Horford is barely taller than Boozer for Christ sakes. pull Marvin Williams back to the bench and put in Collins, Josh, and Horford.

Shoot crash boards & lay it up. We’re beating ourselves year after year with this midget lineup.
And I don’t expect the players to say anything. It’s all about “energy” when the Hawks have played the same “pretend Josh is Dwight Howard everyone else shoot” lineup year after year.

No balance, no offensive or defensive rebounding advantage, another 2nd round blowout.

Laugh out loud. I bet the Hawks are doing this intentionally so they can trade some players for cap relief. And why was Joe Johnson at the small forward? He is average there. Seriously 2 trips to the free throw line in the whole game in game 2 and then Drew responds the same way in game 3 same results.

Goodbye Jamal Crawford we hardly knew ye. If the Hawks have any integrity they will can this starting lineup and play a “regular sized” lineup to cover the rebounding disparity.
Jesus Christ.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
3:12 pm

The Hawks will have to dump salary before they sign anyone meaningful in free agency. Start with Marvin, and then make the choice of who between Jamal and Kirk you’d rather let go. And even then they may be too far over the cap to offer a good enough deal to a Caron Butler-caliber player.

brigadierjerry

May 7th, 2011
3:19 pm

The Hawks will have to dump salary before they sign anyone meaningful in free agency. Start with Marvin, and then make the choice of who between Jamal and Kirk you’d rather let go. And even then they may be too far over the cap to offer a good enough deal to a Caron Butler-caliber player.

Najeh,

That is true but as Hawks fan if you want to break it down player by player what is your thoughts on the main players?

Marvin Williams?
Al Horford?
Josh Smith?
Let Jamal walk
Kirk Hinrich?

I dont see Joe J getting moved unless you taking bad contract back. I see Teague staying. Zaza?The rest that are on the bench meh

Slim

May 7th, 2011
3:22 pm

@KBP last year the midget lineup got beat up on the boards and in the paint by elite teams and the excuse was “we don’t have enough energy”.
Then we start Collins, Howard goes for 46 and everyone else on Orlando is kept out of the flow of the game. Hawks win.
This year we beat Orlando with a regular lineup.
Our lone win in the regular season was when we faced Chicago and played Horford/Collins instead of the midget lineup. We came back from 18 points down and that was without Josh.
Josh has 6 rebounds “we don’t have enough energy”. Then Josh goes for 13 rebounds. “We don’t have enough energy”.
And notice how on pick and rolls Derrick makes sure to pull Josh out of the lane so he can have undettered layups. Jason Collins is needed for so many domino-effect reasons.
*Size on the boards *another pick setter for JJ *plays close to the basket

Pachulia would even suffice but as is Josh Smith has yet to play small forward on Deng. Josh Smith would punish Keith Bogans or Korver if Deng dared switched off of Josh.

This series is so winnable without the rebound disparity it’s sad. I wonder what Drew covered in practice today smh.
This will never happen though. Damien Wilkins is finally getting his precious minutes and Smith is relegated to power forward where Bulls are perfectly fine as Deng will never foul out and Rose has no one to challenge once he gets past Smith on pick and rolls.

Slim

May 7th, 2011
3:24 pm

Larry Drew Size Adjustments? (Derrick Rose Career High): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-4phGAkNgg

Soka

May 7th, 2011
5:25 pm

Hawks played like College team. Slow and can’t shoot.

Ant banks

May 7th, 2011
5:41 pm

Brig Jerry or Najeh,

how many players will we have under contract next ur and how much money do hawks have available. Looks like about 13mil based on fa chart posted by the brig

Ant banks

May 7th, 2011
5:48 pm

A lot of post suggests getting rid of Marvin and zaza. If WE think theyare garbage, why wood anyone else want them? Regardless to who we bring in if a coach or player won’t hold each Otha accountable we still in same boat

John Wooden

May 7th, 2011
5:49 pm

can we stop talking about next year. Hawks are in the moment!
The only reason we are not 3-0 is because Drew is in love with shooting. As a former point guard he should no there are only so many shots to go around and you need centers to box out other centers even if they are too slow to pursue the actual rebound.
If Shaq boxes out Pierce can swoop in and get the rebound.
That’s why its called team rebounding.
Playing a 6′9 center and a 6′8.25 small forward playing the 4 are the exact reason the Hawks get humiliated.
Playing big and getting offensive boards is the reason Atlanta was able to overcome 46 points by Howards superstar and the reason we got blown out when Chicago’s superstar had 44.

John Wooden

May 7th, 2011
5:51 pm

@It was not a bad pick
@MC

is he making adjustments to move Horford and Smith in with Collins?

Ant banks

May 7th, 2011
5:52 pm

Larry calling a time out 41sec into game said a lot. It ain’t Larry fault. Players are hard headed

Ant banks

May 7th, 2011
5:57 pm

John Wooden,
Barkley and rodman were way under 6-11, but they were rebounding machines. Rebounding has a lot to do with heart and dog in you

drmaryb (*_-)

May 7th, 2011
6:29 pm

B-Jerry!

But their Iso Players play inside the rim, draw fouls, make their FTs and their outside shots fall as icing on the cake.

Inside peanut butter – Outside jelly.

Oh! They play defense first, (block shots like Josh used to) in Miami.
And, when they lose? They cry, because they care.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 7th, 2011
6:35 pm

The Hawks STOP their own fast breaks at the 3 point line and either pound the air out of the ball or pass it around the arc. They never pass it into the post. If they do pass it in there, Al holds it and passes it out to Josh and just watches him shoot threes, Al does not move at all, much less to the front of the rim for a dunk. Actually the paint has no one in there to even get an offensive board for the Josh bricks.

Bottom line is, this team has no player movement whatsoever.
Do they really need a coach to tell them to move their azzes?

Really?

John Wooden

May 7th, 2011
6:57 pm

@Ant banks
I always chuckle when somebody brings up those anomalies
Barkley was 280 pounds at one point and had the proportionate strength
As for Dennis Rodman he was about 6′7 and faster than any rebounder on this roster.
If you are big with no leg speed then you can rebound but can’t get the rebound. The best you can do is box out and hope a quicker guy can get the board.
The best we can do is yank Marvin so that Collins, Horford and Smith can triple team the glass and get us offensive boards.

Allen Iverson had a lot of heart and “dog” in him how many rebounds did he average?
How much heart does it take for Joakim Noah to grab Horford’s arm and pull him away from a rebound. Heart’s not the problem.

We had enough heart and energy against Orlando. Horford and Smith and Marvin can only do so much to cover the rebounding disparity. I suggest we add Jason Collins back to the lineup with Pachulia getting minutes with Smith at small forward.

Horford and Smith had no problem acting like dogs against Orlando. It’s nothing but strategy add another big rebounder to box out Noah and let our guys get the rebound and on offense Collins adds another screener to our offense so Horford can stick shots.

Asking Horford to become Charles Barkley or run as fast as Dennis Rodman is simply not going to happen.
And just curious who is Marvin Williams supposed to be? He had 1 rebound. Basketball is a team sport and he has proven he is a big shot maker but he is best as a change of pace shooter off the bench.

John Wooden

May 7th, 2011
6:58 pm

@Ant banks
I always chuckle when somebody brings up those anomalies
Barkley was 280 pounds at one point and had the proportionate strength

As for Dennis Rodman he was about 6′7 and faster than any rebounder on this roster.
If you are big with no leg speed then you can rebound but can’t get the rebound. The best you can do is box out and hope a quicker guy can get the board.

Allen Iverson had a lot of heart and “dog” in him how many rebounds did he average?
Maybe that’s the problem. Josh Smith and Horford need to act more like dogs.

John Wooden

May 7th, 2011
7:08 pm

drmaryb (*_-)
@ when you play small, you take your players out to the perimeter.
When you play a regular lineup we get less spacing, more post play because we have post matchup advantages on Deng, and Joe Johnson on Bogans and Horford may still be cover by Noah but when the shot goes up we have Smith, Horford, and Collins/Pachulia ALL going after the boards.
If Teague or Joe miss we get the board and we also have the size to make Chicago one shot and done.
The professional playoffs are all about adjustments and the Hawks have yet to make adjustments. Yet and still they expect to be respected as professionals? whatever.

15 players on the roster and no one speaks up about going back? Well maybe they don’t want to step on Marvin and Damien’s toes as they would be pulled out of the starting lineup and rotation, respectively.

Slimjr

May 7th, 2011
7:39 pm

WESTBROOK IS CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!HE IS NOT FEEDING THE LEADING SCORER IN THE NBA THE BASKETBALL IN THE LAST 3MINS!!!! HE IS PULLING AN ISO….

drmaryb (*_-)

May 7th, 2011
7:46 pm

John Wooden

That seems like a lot of fundamental issues to have in round 2 game 4.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 7th, 2011
8:05 pm

Sure wish we played like Memphis.
Come hell or high water, they just get it done.

All they do is Win! -drake-

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