Atlanta Hawks: Bulls 99, Hawks 82

When D-Rose is going like this–making 3-pointers, baking in scores form impossible angles, etc.–not sure what else you can do to him except maybe put him on his butt a few times. “He hit one floater when I thought I got a piece of it,” Teague said. “I knew tonight was his night.”

  • But you don’t even have to look at Rose’s amazing performance to find fault with the Hawks.
  • Rose didn’t have anything to do with Noah and Taj Gibson pushing around Atlanta’s bigs. He wasn’t even on the court for the bulk of Chicago’s decisive run in the second quarter (and neither were the other starters). Rose did not limit Marvin to one rebound in 23 minutes, induce Smoove into jacking up Js as the Hawks tried to mount a comeback or make Al passive with the ball.
  • There were a few signs of fissures among the Hawks afterwards. Everyone seemed to have a different idea of what they need to do for Game 4.
  • J.J. didn’t like the offensive approach: “It just seemed as if a lot of times we just ran a lot of pick-and-rolls and I was just kind of buried in the corner. I just thought we played into their hands. We didn’t do anything, I thought, to get our scorers the basketball to make plays. They come with the double team and they make us give it up. We can’t win like that. If you look at Game 1 it was nothing like that. Obviously they made adjustments but at the same time we have to stick with what got us here.”
  • So what should the Hawks do? “Honestly, I just got to force the issue,” Joe said. “In Game 4, I am definitely going to do that. I am not going to succumb to the double team and give it up every time because that’s what they want. We are playing right into their hands. I blame myself for that.”
  • From my perspective watching the game live, it seemed like J.J. had his chances to make something happen but fell back into Iso-Joe dribbling. When Joe starts talking about forcing the issue, the Hawks are in trouble.
  • Al: “We had too much one-on-one. When you do that, this team is too good defensively. We just need to do a better job moving the ball and running the offense the right way. If one guy is not running the offense right, it’s not going to work for others. So I think that’s our biggest problem right now on the offensive end.”
  • Al is guilty of it, too. He’s holding the ball trying to figure out his moves when his best move might be catching it and quickly driving to the basket or, if that’s not there, pass the ball. When Al takes his time going inside it’s easy for the Bulls to both help against him and keep their own men within closing distance.
  • The Bulls are taking away the pick-and-pop, too. “That’s all we’ve been doing and they’ve been doing a great job at contesting everything,” Al said. “I got a couple touches in the post but I think we can do more of that. Because I feel playing inside out would work to our advantage. I hope that’s something coach looks into.”
  • I’m not sure if Al can get anything in the post. His college buddy is making it tough in there along with the rest of Chicago’s aggressive bigs and Al’s post moves are still limited.
  • Al needs to do something of the Hawks hope to rally in this series. “It’s going to be tough for us to win without him,” Joe said. “We’ve just got to get him back on track.”
  • Jamal slipped free for an open J early and then never saw much space again. “Whenever I’m at the top of the key, I see a second defender,” he said. “They’re coming until I pass the ball. They’re kind of taking it out of my hands. That’s fine. I just want to make sure that we make them pay because we have an advantage
    somewhere out there with two guys on me. if we don’t make them pay, then they’re going to continue to do it.”
  • Chicago’s superior depth was glaring in this game. Their sixth through 10th guys are all legit NBA rotation players.
  • Jamal suggested the Hawks didn’t like it when L.D. called timeout after D-Rose ran a one-man fastbreak through their defense (after J.J. missed an iso fadeaway). “I think everybody was surprised by that,” Jamal said. “Whenever you have to call a timeout less than a minute into the game, it’s kind of disheartening. But coach felt like he had to do it.”
  • Yes, he did. “When I don’t see the effort on getting back in transition and allowing them to get to the basket without a contest, I knew we were not committed like we were in Games 1 and 2,” Drew said. “To be perfectly honest, that was really discouraging to have to call a timeout that early.”
  • The Bulls hammered the Hawks on the boards again. They have more good rebounders, yes, but they also are just hungrier and more physical when it comes to loose balls.
  • “We didn’t come out with any physicality,” L.D. said. “They completely beat us up, particularly in the paint.”
  • And then there’s the D-Rose problem. Atlanta’s screen-roll defense was powerless against his dynamic drives to the basket and the inevitable result of Atlanta’s bigs helping were putbacks and drive-and-dishes.
  • “We were doing the same [coverages] tonight,” Al said. “I think they made adjustments as a team and they figured out how to attack it. They totally exploited it. We now have to make adjustments and change it up. It’s not working like it did the first two games.”
  • “When he gets it going, we have to figure out a way to get the ball out of his hands and make someone else beat us,” Josh said.
  • D-Rose hasn’t been getting to the line but maybe it’s worth it to put him there if it means he has to take some hard falls. “You don’t want to see anybody hurt but this is a physical game,” Jamal said. “We have to figure out what we want to do with him. We can’t give him both ways. You can’t give him threes and the outside jumper and the layups as well.”
  • Some positives: Teague played his third straight superlative game. Josh had 13 rebounds and eventually stopped jacking Js and went hard to the hole. Al eventually got ticked off, too, and was more aggressive.
  • That about covers it.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

190 comments Add your comment

Hawk Str8Talk

May 7th, 2011
12:02 am

In my attempt to find a positive, I continue to endorse Teague playing as many minutes as he is physically able to. I will stop at that or else I’ll start saying negative things. I will ask a question – why aren’t our All Stars required to go to the postgame press conference and answer for their performances – win or lose.

Buddy Grizzard

May 7th, 2011
12:05 am

JJ and JC1 combined for 2 points in the second half.

Buddy Grizzard

May 7th, 2011
12:06 am

JC1 should really keep his mouth shut and not provide CHI with any more bulletin board material if this is how he backs it up.

superiorblogman

May 7th, 2011
12:07 am

Hinrich and Horford for Javal McGee and Rashard Lewis

Hinrich and Horford for Bogut and Magette

Booo!

May 7th, 2011
12:13 am

Someone posted this on peachtree hoops. I thought it was funny:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/I-hate-Joe-Johnson-ATL/181197331929997

Ya know, sombody today said about Derrick rose’s 44pt night “now thats worth 123 million”

I have to agree

Booo!

May 7th, 2011
12:14 am

at least since the lakers went down 0-3 peple will forget about the ATL blowout tonight.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:14 am

FTPB

“If anyone but Teague gives up 30+ to the MVP, ya’ll would be asking for their heads (let alone 40+)!

(I don’t mean to say this as an indictment of Teague’s defense. Rather it is only pointed out as an indictment of you haters (of some players)/lovers (of other players). Let your bias show, let it show.)”

I can’t speak for others, but I’d be more inclined to criticize Teague’s defense if Rose hadn’t been hitting contested shots as well. It didn’t seem to matter tonight what kind of shot Rose took or how good the D was — if he let it go, it was going in. With that said, Teague is usually pretty good at pressuring the ball, and I thought he could have done that in the 1st quarter — even if he risked fouling — to get Rose out of his rhythm.

JeJe

May 7th, 2011
12:15 am

“We didn’t come out with any physicality,” L.D. said. “They completely beat us up, particularly in the paint.

NO !@#$ you didn’t

WTF was your gameplan? Get DESTROYED on boards AGAIN?!

START ZAZA OR COLLINS IN GAME 4. GET SOME REAL BIGS IN THERE. NOT THIS TWEENER 6″9 GALORE YOU HAVE.

WHAT AN AWFUL COACH

HORFORD YOU ARE SOFT

O'Brien

May 7th, 2011
12:16 am

Watching the Mavs in the fourth, its good to see good ball movement. Something which the Hawks know very little about.

I’ve said this all season. Regardless of what happens in the playoffs, I think the Hawks need to shake up the roster, and I still dont think LD is the right coach for the Hawks. He is the right coach to beat Orlando.

MC,

I wish you would have asked Al what’s happened to his shot?

And what is Jamal talking about being disheartened when LD called a timeout 47 seconds into the game? Dude was in warmups on the bench at the time…

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:16 am

Also FTPB

I didn’t get a chance to respond to this during the game because my battery died out, but…

“This is bull. You don’t need superstars to win in the playoffs. You need great team basketball. It’s all about the team. Ask the Lakers why their team filled with superstars lost to a hard-working Pistons team with no bona-fide superstar in the 2004 finals. Media-deemed superstars sell a lot of tickets, but they don’t necessarily win you the title. ”

You are making the same mistake Rick Sund makes, by citing the one single exception to the rule. The 2004 Pistons are the ONLY team that won in the playoffs without a superstar.

It’s easy to sit here as fans of a team that has largely been devoid of superstars throughout its history and resent the media for riding the jocks of superstars. But the fact is that those players have largely earned it. There’s a reason LeBron and Wade and Rose and Kobe get the press they do whereas nobody on the Hawks gets one tenth of that press. It’s because they are transcendental players. They are players who can and do regularly take over games and singlehandedly win games for their teams.

Of course you need team basketball to win. But a team without a superstar can play fantastic team basketball and they will still almost certainly fall short. See this year’s Sixers for example. A team with a superstar (or better yet superstars) can play merely good team basketball and dominate everyone else. See every Lakers championship team for example.

Across sports, superstars erase mistakes. Having a superstar allows your team to make mistakes here and there when it comes to execution, because that superstar has the kind of talent to make plays regardless of the execution. When you don’t have a superstar, you have to be perfect as a team all the time. And getting five good players to execute all the time is a lot harder than getting one or two great players to be great while everyone else plays their role.

mykhalc

May 7th, 2011
12:16 am

my AAU boyz are back…

JeJe

May 7th, 2011
12:17 am

we’re GETTING CAREEER NIGHTS OUT OF OUR PG, AND WE CAN’T GET ANY EFFORT OUT OF OUR FRONT COURT

JOSH, DID U NOTICE YOU MADE EVERYTHING IN THE PAINT? YOU WERE LIKE 0-5 ON JUMPSHOTS

MAYBE IF U JUST STOPPED JUMPSHOTS ALTOGETHER YOU’D BE AN ALLSTAR

SMDH

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:17 am

Jeff Teague for MVP

mykhalc

May 7th, 2011
12:17 am

no doubt this team needs a re-vamp…in a BIG way!!!

Booo!

May 7th, 2011
12:17 am

Hinrich, Marvin, Zaza, 2nd rd pick, and future 1st for Rudy gay. They should bite on this. It’s time to go all in!

Startes:

Teague
Joe
Rudy
Smoove
Horford

If Woody-lite can’t get it done with that squad the there’s no hope for him as an NBA Head Coach.

JeJe

May 7th, 2011
12:18 am

We got beaten up and Kurt Thomas didn’t even play

mykhalc

May 7th, 2011
12:18 am

Josh and Marvin need new addresses…

Buddy Grizzard

May 7th, 2011
12:21 am

tremaine

May 7th, 2011
12:22 am

The Hawks need to go with the big lineup. It’s not like Marvin has been a factor anyway. There has to be something wrong with Al Horford.

“GIVE TEAGUE SOME HELP!”

Buddy Grizzard

May 7th, 2011
12:23 am

I thought he could have done that in the 1st quarter — even if he risked fouling – Najeh

Only one of the Hawks top 6 had more than one foul for the game. All-Star Al had 2. ESPN talked about this at halftime. The Hawks had 5 fouls for the entire first half. They weren’t trying to stop anything.

mykhalc

May 7th, 2011
12:25 am

next season’s team needs to have players that will ACCEPT their roles and DO them…PERIOD!!! this team has too many players that wanna define their own roles. anyway, i didn’t watch again ’cause i saw Marvin make a non-bball play as soon as i turned on the game!! ain’t worth watchin’ the same $hit, game after game…

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:25 am

From an X’s and O’s standpoint, it’s easy to make the argument that the Hawks can still win this series. Game 1 went a lot like Game 1 against Orlando, where the Hawks shot at an unnaturally high clip to win the game. Game 2 went a lot like Game 2 against Orlando, where the Hawks lost an ugly game where they largely shot themselves in the foot. Game 3 tonight went a lot like Game 5 against Orlando, where the Hawks didn’t really show up from the start and the Magic were making every possible shot.

It’s conceivable that Games 3, 4, and 6 of the Orlando series could still take place, and it’s possible to make the argument that the Hawks still have a working blueprint to beat the Bulls that is likely to work if they close out harder on open shooters, crash the boards, and create hustle points like they did in Game 1.

From an intangibles standpoint, though, this series is over for this mentally weak team. Tickets that were going for $45 on Stubhub before the game are now down to $24. It’s quite conceivable that all these new tickets on sale on Stubhub will end up being sold by Hawks fans to Bulls fans. Tonight’s crowd was probably about 70-30 in favor of the Hawks (the Bulls fans were much louder than that ratio might indicate because they had something to cheer about). I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sunday crowd is 50-50. And we have seen in the regular season how the Hawks respond when the crowd is largely in favor of the other team. All it would take in that situation is for Rose to come out hitting a few shots early for the Hawks to get demoralized and fold.

I hope I’m wrong, obviously, but I see Game 4 going exactly like Game 3. And down 3-1 going back to Chicago, there’s little chance that we will see a Game 6.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 7th, 2011
12:25 am

I wouldn’t give Mr. Drew a mayonaise sandwich!
He would probably fk that up too.

JeJe

May 7th, 2011
12:25 am

The freaking Pacers played the Bulls tougher than we have

We have NOT committed ONE HARD FOUL yet. I have not seen an altercation.

This is a freaking soft basketball team. The only players who commit hard fouls are ZaZa and maybe Damien, but they never get minutes. I’d just let ZaZa play a huge stretch the next game. Let him guard Noah

WE LOSE BY 17 AND NOAH AND BOOZER DIDN’T DO !@#$

FIRE LD

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:26 am

And for the record, it’s not the fact that they lost that makes me think this series is over. A close loss wouldn’t have been a big deal. But to get blown out like this at home in such a demoralizing way is a dagger in the coffin for this team.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:26 am

“WE LOSE BY 17 AND NOAH AND BOOZER DIDN’T DO !@#$”

Noah got 15 boards, including as many offensive boards as Al had total boards. That along with his 5 blocks were pretty huge for the Bulls.

But I agree with the broader point that the Hawks are soft as Cottonelle.

Booo!

May 7th, 2011
12:27 am

LOL @ Poop,

“Dagger”

Love the nique-isims

drmaryb (*_-)

May 7th, 2011
12:28 am

Seems like after Al got his money, he said, “F It!”

superiorblogman

May 7th, 2011
12:29 am

If Josh and Marvin need new addresses so does Al and Joe. We have seen that’s gutless coward stuff now for 3 years in a row. I would not be mad if they sold this team and moved it to Vegas, all these bandwagon fans are getting on my nerves living in ATL and cheering for other teams. Just bandwagon people to me.

Section 303

May 7th, 2011
12:29 am

I agree with Michael…I’m scared of watching Joe Johnson “force the issue”. Might as well start the offseason right now.

Remember when we used to hear about Al Horford loving to play against his buddy Noah? I’m thinking it’s going to be a while before we hear any of those tales again. Al has been terrible. Josh Smith is my least favorite player in basketball, but Horford deserves to be ripped, too.

Zaza just can’t play in this series. I really think it was easier for him playing Howard. Howard is just in the post. He’s not moving around like Noah, Gibson, and any other Bull big. Zaza can just play D by banging Howard, The Bulls bigs won’t allow him to do that. Zaza is basically useless in this series.

Josh Smith stat line looks fine. But, no way you could watch tonight’s game and say he played well. The jumpers are killers and his defense was not good. Will be a reason to celebrate when he gets traded this summer (or whenever the lockout ends). I can’t stand watching that guy play.

Teague has been good. Only positive tonight.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:30 am

Rose was spectacular, but I think the Hawks can live with him scoring 40+. What they can’t live with is getting murdered on the boards and letting the Bulls’ supporting cast go 6/13 from 3.

BILLY KNIGHT

May 7th, 2011
12:30 am

@ BOO! please stop talking about Horford playing center he just don’t have it no more, my home boy have change the line up in game 4 and go back to collins starting.

tremaine

May 7th, 2011
12:31 am

I can’t believe Al has disappeared.

Justin

May 7th, 2011
12:31 am

The reason why nobody fouls is because everybody’s is afraid of Drew’s knee-jerk foul policy. It’s having a negative effect on the aggressiveness on D.

ag

May 7th, 2011
12:33 am

Bandwagon fans!! this series is not over. Again, we lost because of heart and hustle. I thought JT played his heart out. I do wish he would have been more selfish and take the game over. He also should pressure Rose 64 feet. I disagree with Joe totally. If he is being double teamed – SOMEBODY IS OPEN!!! The adjustment is NOT to have Josh open shooting jumpers. He did it a couple of times- SLASH to the basket! Joe did just pound the ball and not pass it. This game i simple, find the open man.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:33 am

“When D-Rose is going like this–making 3-pointers, baking in scores form impossible angles, etc.–not sure what else you can do to him except maybe put him on his butt a few times. ”

Isn’t that what LD used as his excuse for not playing Teague in the Hawks’ first loss to the Bulls in the regular season, that perimeter D didn’t matter as much as the Hawks not putting Rose on his ass?

Apparently that bullsh-t explanation didn’t make its way into his playoff game plan. The Hawks sure could have used some hard fouls in the first half tonight.

Zaza is supposed to be the Hawks’ rebounding machine/enforcer off the bench. Dude hasn’t done sh-t on the boards and isn’t committing hard fouls. If he’s going to play like pre-trade deadline Zaza, give Etan Thomas his minutes and let him commit a couple of flagrant fouls.

BILLY KNIGHT

May 7th, 2011
12:33 am

Teague, Joe, Josh, Horford, Collins
starter in game 4, collins will keep noah from dominating the board, noah had 8 offensive rebound wow!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:34 am

“The reason why nobody fouls is because everybody’s is afraid of Drew’s knee-jerk foul policy. It’s having a negative effect on the aggressiveness on D.”

This has actually occurred to me too. I wonder if in Al’s case in particular fear of the two foul rule is taking away his aggressiveness on D. I can only hope it’s that and not a fundamental change in his mentality on the defensive end.

mykhalc

May 7th, 2011
12:34 am

this season my mantra has been KA BOOM!!! i don’t care how they blow it up…it just needs doin’. but for me, if i was GM, i start with movin’ Josh and Marvin…

ag

May 7th, 2011
12:35 am

ND – I agree.. we got NOTHING out of ZaZa. He has to give us energy. I would like to see more Wilkins. I would start Wilkins before I start Collins.

mykhalc

May 7th, 2011
12:35 am

Al’s brain slows him up on the court IMHO…thinks way tooooooo much….

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

May 7th, 2011
12:36 am

Jamal needs to zip it…he unleashed a raging inferno in Rose with his loose lips.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:38 am

““Honestly, I just got to force the issue,” Joe said. “In Game 4, I am definitely going to do that. I am not going to succumb to the double team and give it up every time because that’s what they want. We are playing right into their hands. I blame myself for that.””

Northcyde is going to like hearing this.

I actually agree though. I didn’t think Joe played that bad on offense for most of the game. I was surprised to see that he finished with such a poor stat line. It’s not like he was throwing up bricks when he did get the ball. They need to run some more plays for him early to get the ball in a position where he can drive it and hit the floater. Teague was spectacular in the first quarter, but the downside was that Joe didn’t get touches at all. There has to be a good way to take advantage of Teague’s quickness and ability to get to the rim and Joe’s scoring ability in the mid range and the paint at the same time. Surely our offensive genius head coach can make the necessary adjustment.

ag

May 7th, 2011
12:38 am

Because of KA BOOM, Jason Terry polished of the Lakers. If you have a leaking pipe, do you KA-BOOM the entire home? No fix the problem. If Tyson Chandler was a Hawk, or another athletic rebounding machine, we would not in this situation. He was available, but we got Josh Powell. I still think our problem is SF. I always felt we had a point guard. We should have traded for a SF. I think Al Thorton would have looked better than trading and getting Hilton Armstrong.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 7th, 2011
12:41 am

Folded!

I agree 100 with Najeh. Based on Joe’s comments up there and he has made a similar comment at the end of February during a bad stretch, regarding the game plans and players nit knowing their roles nor what to do as a unit to score.

All this points to this team being poorly coached. This team needs a bona fide coach. I guess Mr. Drew was not the answer to solve the Mr. Woodson puzzle. At some point ypu have to look at these so called professional basketball players.

This is not the right group of players, so ultimately you have to look at the GM. If he has no autonomy? Then you have top look at the ownership group.

Its pretty simple stuff.

JeJe

May 7th, 2011
12:41 am

Why exactly did we get rid of Jason Terry again?

Dude is ageless and is still a stud in this league

“Noah got 15 boards, including as many offensive boards as Al had total boards. That along with his 5 blocks were pretty huge for the Bulls.”

HOW MANY POINTS DID THEY SCORE?

WHERE ARE THE HARD FOULS?
WHERE IS AL ON OFFENSE?
IS MARVIN STILL IN THE NBA?

superiorblogman

May 7th, 2011
12:41 am

Sell this team now. I wish I had money I would buy up all the tickets and not sell them to anything other than Hawks fans. Don’t know how I would make sure they are Hawks fans but if I could figure that out and had money I would do it.

Al must go: We Hawks fans do not respect him anymore
Josh must go: He let us down too many times
Marvin must go: He is just sorry as a basketball player
Joe: If you can trade him do it also, but good luck with that.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 7th, 2011
12:42 am

KaBoom requires that you hit on the lottery picks you get after trading away your veterans. Marvin over CP3 and Shelden over everyone else instantly capped this team’s ceiling at Round 2.

JeJe

May 7th, 2011
12:42 am

Rose’s performance tonight is what I expected in game 2

I said a MILLION Times we had to make adjustments to help rebound better. LD did NOTHING.

We came out thinking we’d win since we were at home. Once we were down 5 or 6 points throughout the 1st, I knew it was over

FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD

JeJe

May 7th, 2011
12:43 am

MARVIN: 1 REBOUND IN 24 MINUTES
JOE: 1 REBOUND IN 38 MINUTES

KEITH BOGANS (WHO) HAD AS MANY REBOUNDS AS OUR STARTING SG AND SF
LUOL DENG HAD 6

MARVIN IS 6″9 AND HAD 1 REBOUND
MARVIN IS 6″9 AND HAD 1 REBOUND
MARVIN IS 6″9 AND HAD 1 REBOUND