Atlanta Hawks: Bulls 86, Hawks 73

Listening to chicago’s espn station and the fans are calling in and are saying they are,”NERVOUS” about coming to atlanta..They are doubting they can win at least one and are talking about how they have been exposed as a one man team..

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The 3 Stooges cannot carry a team! not skilled enough!!!!
They get exposed for who they are every time the guard play slacks off..

Josh you have got to go man….Your not listening to your coach man..
Uncoachable as Grandad put it!

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Does anyone wont to admit that josh smith is the real reason atlanta suffers in games, ill advised shots, mood swings, high emotions…. great athleticism and length but yet instead likes to make love to that perimeter game…… WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY!!!!, if there were a real leader on this team they would tell josh smith to not take those ridiculus shots!, joe was being doubled the whole game, josh and marvin should have been slashing to the basket… hawks players, coaches, management, waterboy, towel boy all have mental disorders!!

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JT killed it, this is why he should have started this year

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I hope Jeff Teague stays this good. Other than that, I can’t really think of much good to say right now.

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josh at SF is not a good idea. That just gives him a reason to shoot 3’s all day long

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JOSH SMITH SUCKS OFFENSIVELY!!!, HES THE REASON WE LOSS, HE DIDNT EVEN ATTEMPT TO HELP HORFORD BOX OUT!

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I am finally hopping aboard the J Smoove is killing us bandwagon. Just bad on offense due to dumb decisions. Zaza played poorly in limited minutes. LD should never sub Crawford for Teague. Horford played very tentative on offense, Jamal had a off-night, Joe dribbled too much and we STILL had a chance to win in the end! I like our chances in Atlanta.

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Josh played bad, but he tried to pick it up. Al NEVER had it. ISO Joe..ISO Joe.

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northcyde – How do you give both Al & Josh a [D+]
Al had 14 rebounds & clearly played better than Josh ?

Plus from your previous [latest] sideswipe:
Al is not a legit 6-10,
but even if he were, I said he plays within his game / abilities / element.
“Andre Miller has post moves”, -so what-.
Scarlett Johansson & Eva Longoria are both attractive young ladies,
but that don’t mean they wear the same size brassiere.
In other words, I’ll bet they both got game,
it just might be different, one from the other.

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Grandad,

Al played no defense, Josh did and Al scored 6 points. They both were terrible.

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Superiorblogman,

A quality point guard, unless he has tremendous scoring ability like a Kevin Johnson or an Isiah Thomas, should be a facilitator first and foremost. JT at this point does not have that type of scoring ability. In actuality, his jump shot (perimeter game) is inconsistent and very suspect. Even though he hit a three point shot tonite, he also shot an airball at the top of the key in first half. As I stated in a previous blog, so goes Jamal, Joe and Al (from an offensive standpoint), so goes the Hawks. Just like Game 1 on Monday in Chicago, Joe and Jamal had it going offensively. The two combined, I believe, for 56 points. In Game 1 @ Orlando, Joe and Jamal combined for 48 points. In those two games, the Hawks won. I can go on and on. I am not taking anything away from Teague. I thought Teague should have played more in the regular season all along. I’m just providing my perspective of the two, Teague and Crawford, while they are on the court together. Jamal has put his (offensive) imprint on a lot of regular season and several playoff games in which the Hawks have won. Teague played well in Game 2 tonite but the Hawks still lost. Bottom line, Jamal has won quite a few meaningful games for the Hawks while Teague, in his limited opportunity, has not. It’s very simple. If Joe and Jamal with the help of Al have it going offensively, this usually spells success and a victory for the Hawks. You already know this.

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Hinrich is one of the reasons we are even playing the Bulls.

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Hinrich is a baller but if given a shot at start. we may have fine with Teague. Hinrich is valuable – just wanted to keep one of the Crawfords. Jamal may leave for a lucrative contract, Jordan is in DC

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My rant before I go off to try and sleep:

I stated before this series started that the Hawks should not be starting all these IFs. I stated that Teague, because of no fault of his own was a if, but a if I thought could get it done, but Marvin and Josh were both IF’s that I could not really deal with anymore. Especially, not in tandem.

The sickening thing is I was correct and those who agreed were correct. Teague is our least worry. He seemed like a big IF going into this series but he is absolutely playing better than 2 IFs we have had for 5+ years now. Marvin and Josh are just becoming unacceptable because it(there lack of improvement and way too often hurtful play) is piling up way too much.

Lastly, Marvin is a lost cause as a starter. If you put him on the bench and play him at the 3 and 4 coming off the bench you can maximize his limited potential. While, I am starting to think Josh does not care about his teammates, legacy, or fans because he could be a Hall of Famer if he thought like Dennis Rodman or Ben Wallace and that starts with his body. Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace were both fitness fanatics but look at what Josh looks like now compared to what he looked like 5 to 7 years ago. Seriously, Josh should be ashamed of himself for disrespecting himself, his legacy, his fans, and teammates like this. If he cared to do everything legally possible on the court to rebound and defend all game he could be a Hall of Famer and that’s the bottomline. Notice I never mentioned a stupid jump shot or even finish around the rim, which he is naturally better at finishing than Rodman and Wallace.

Finally, LD is not the coach Josh needs and Sund is not the GM. I can remember LD telling Josh that he wanted him to lose 15 pounds after he got the job and look at Josh. He came to camp once again doing what he wanted to do which is not what was asked of him as a teammate.

Phuck It

Josh, Kirk, and Marvin to the Cavs

for

Baron Davis, Varejao, Joey Graham, Semih Erden and one of those LOTTO PICKS (Derrick Williams)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5sdp5gu

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Why hasn’t anybody said anything about LD’s bizarre move? He switched the bigs’ matchups – Horford on Boozer and Smoove on Noah. In the first game, our bigs were awesome defensively and on the boards. Al gives up some height but he knows Noah’s game from practicing against him at FLA. After things worked perfectly in Game 1, LD decides to switch, and we get destroyed on the boards in Game 2. He was talking about getting Al’s length against Boozer, but Boozer didn’t hurt us in Game 1.

WHY, LD, WHY?!?!?!?!?!?

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Bulls are kinda due to break out. They’ve been pretty quiet so far. Game 3 is a monster game for the Hawks. If the Hawks take it, maybe the game would be enough to stiffen their backbone and lead to a series win. If the Bulls get it, the Hawks just might go into full-blown Headcase Mode. Ain’t no reason to trust these Hawks until they do the job. Maybe they will this time.

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First, mad props for Jeff Teague. He scored 21 points and has had less than 3 turnovers in two games against the reigning MVP of the league after only playing 9 minutes in the playoffs before this series. He has seized his opportunity and taken advantage of it.

Everyone from the coach in the sideline interviews, to the announcers in each series to Kenny and Charles at half time and breaks are talking about Smooves shot selection and play. This year I believed that Josh had been trying to make a case for playing in the small forward position and also to expand his game to include jump shots beyond 10 feet, while ATL looks for a center. What he needs to concentrate on is ‘right now”. Right now, his team mates need him inside.

We fumbled way to many balls away in this game and everyone, Zaza included, seemed to have butterfingers. The good thing is we are in a great position to win this game and we have played well enough not to get blown out. I still have great hopes of us getting out of this round but, we can not play another game like that one where we have butterfingers and so many ill advised shots. GO HAWKS!!!!!

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Chicago’s 3 starting front court players combined for 37 REBOUNDS!!!!!!!!!!! Ours combined for 27.

Absolutely pathetic. Josh Smith was outrebounded by 6 by their starting SF

WE NEED TO HELP OUT ON THE DAMN GLASS. GET ZAZA IN THE GAME

The rebounding is the whole series.

Teague had a monster night and we freaking lost.

Al, Josh, and Marvin: SHAME on you.

Marvin, 2-9…. Are you f’ing serious?
Al, 3-12…….Are you f’ing serious???
Josh, 4-14…Are you f’ing serious???

Josh was 0-2 on 3pt fga

I am still waiting for Horford or Josh to lead the team offensively in a game. Al said he loves playing Chicago. Dude is almost as soft as Marvin with his offensive execution and defense.

We CANNOT let Josh play this many minutes. He is destroying this team. We need a BIG like ZaZa getting MORE MINUTES

We need DAMIEN in the game to help be physical with Deng and cut his rebounding down

This series is ours. I whole-heartedly think we are better than this team. Teague had a freaking career night and we did not win.

Our PG who didn’t play at all this year on the most part severely outplayed our “All Star” and our hero (Josh)

SMDH
FIRE LD

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We shot SIX more free throws than the home team…..SMDH

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It’s no surprise that the Hawks lost tonight when we had Ben Wallace out there trying to be Reggie Miller. What’s next for Josh? Will he try to be Magic Johnson, Ray Allen, or Chris Mullin in game 3? Let’s hope that the answer is none of the above. There’s no room for stupidity on the court in playoff basketball. If I were the coach of the Hawks, I would have benched Josh for the entire second half after his performance in the first half.

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I think the boys will step up at home. We are softies, remember? We are a jump-shooting team. We should be fortunate to know that the players bought into LD’s wisdom for the most of eight quarters, more than you can say about Thib’s Bulls. Coming back home will do one of three things. It will get us to 3-1 or get us to 2-2, or gosh forbid 1-3. All that really depends on the bigs getting dirty. I think the boys want it bad. But one thing I gotta say, is if LD sits Teague any more the dude’s crazy. All things considered, Teague is playing better than DRose. My gawd yall!

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The Hawks need to make an adjustment in order to limit Josh Smith’s touches outside the paint. They need to move Smoove down low to play the five on offense and allow Al Horford to play the four. Al is the better shooter and JSmoove has the length and agility to out-rebound Chicago’s bigs (the Bulls don’t have great size inside).

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Marvin had a bad night shooting, and on this blog, will get blasted as usual but this game was lost for 3 reasons
1.Larry Drew..If the Hawks continue to not play a center, we will lose..After watching JT last night, i dislike him even more…i would love to see our core with a good coach..
2. this team goes as far as Jamal will take us, he had a bad night, and Joe Max was just average..We can’t expect 2 dominating games in a row from the 120 mill man..
3. once again JOSH SMITH, I have given up on him, the kid will never get it, Marvin is 20x better than Josh even on a bad shooting night…So Drew how about this..
ZAZA,AL,Marvin,JJ, JT do this and we win in 5..Marvin will not jack up bad shots and turn the ball over, he plays solid D, and he hits the boards…

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Josh Smith needs to go. I’m done with him. He is a terrible player. He can say all he wants about being angry with himself and all the other bullsh#t. He never changes. We’ll still see the same bad shots, halfa$$ed effort, lazy turnovers, and pouting face. He needs to not play for the Hawks anymore. He just won’t ever “get it”. He won’t. I’m just done with him. He kills this team. Over and over and over and over again….he kills this team.

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TRADE JOSH SMITH NOW WE DONT WANT HIM GET RID OF THIS RETARD HE NEVER PLAYS HIS POSITION HE WISH HE HAD A JUMPER DUDE I CAN PLAY BETTER THAN HIM

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“All year long, he has not held Josh accountable for his turrible shot selection, and we saw it again last night.

All year long, his substitution patters have been baffling, and we saw it again last night. With Al, Josh and Marvin all struggling, they combined to play over 100 minutes, while ZaZa and Damien combined to play less than 20.”

All year long Jeff Teague rode the bench when he should have been starting from day one. It cost the Hawks two first round picks.

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I hear Jamal on 680 two days ago say Josh was one of the smartest basketball players he knew. LOL
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once again JOSH SMITH, I have given up on him, the kid will never get it, Marvin is 20x better than Josh even on a bad shooting night…So Drew how about this..

It’s not a bad pick with statements like Marvin is 20x better than Josh. You have offically become the Donald Trump of this blog

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It was not a bad pick,

Marvin had an EASY 3 on 1 fast break last night. Instead of even looking for trailing teammates, he took some awkward layup that had no chance of going in (very similar to LBJ’s miss against PHI in game 4). Marvin is garbage, but doesn’t annoy us that much BECAUSE WE DON’T EXPECT ANYTHING FROM Him.

Truly1, did Teague get injured in the preseason? don’t even remember

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Any statement that starts with “Marvin is 20x better than…” should be given as much regard as an e-mail from a prince in Nigeria.

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START DAMIEN AND ZAZA

STARTING LINEUP:

JT0
SILENT STORM
DAMIEN
HORFORD
ZAZA

THAT IS A DAMN GOOD STARTING LINEUP

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it was not a bad pick, man if i see another blogger saying anything good about marvin im have and heart attack, marvin is the worst player 2 ever starte in a hawks uniform for six years in a row, man if the coach can’t see that then 2012 is the end of the world.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“WHY is Josh guarding Noah? Noah is WAY bigger than him and LONGER and is getting ALL THE REBOUNDS. ”

Noah got boards yesterday because Smoove wasn’t boxing out, not because he had some major size advantage. It’s fair to say that the size advantage does occasionally work in Noah’s favor, but I didn’t feel like that was the main reason for Noah dominating the boards last night.

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“Running on the break, slashing to the basket, getting blocked shots and when it calls for an open shot, he takes it,” Al said. “When he plays like that, plays poised like that, I think that’s when he’s at his best.”

BOOM…….Josh is not a half court offensive type player. Al said it best, just read the quote aobve. Perfect.

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All-star Al is losing credibility. His playoff performance isn’t matching his credentials. His stats of 3-12 (FG), 14 RB for 6 points would be acceptable for Josh Smith or Zaza, but not for All-star Al. His previous performance in Game 1 wasn’t much better; 4-7 (FG), 13 RB for 9 points. The Emerging adjectives to describe his game are limited, soft and timid.

Since his first all-star appearance was by default and second was due to limited EC center talent, it raises the question: Is he overrated as a fools-gold all-star? Or perhaps this is just temporary playoff-jitters and his underachieving game will improve.

We shall see

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Let face it Rick sund have found good talent in the draft, but coach woody and LD have destroyed the talent process Rick Sund have drafted, and if kirk hinrich have not become injured, TEAGUE would still be riding the bench, just for that along COACH LD SHOULD BE FIRED, he almost destroyed the confidence of this young man and this franchise, plus JC2 AND OUR NEXT YEAR 1# PICK FOR NEXT YEAR THE HAWKS WOULD STILL HAVE IF LD have not been so stubborn.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[...] was [ticked] off at myself,” Smith told Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution after the Hawks dropped game two 86-73 in Chicago. “I understand what I need to do to be more [...]

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Let’s Go Hawks!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTY074F6Oio

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BULLS 58 REBOUND HAWKS 38 this is why collins should starte from here on out, horford is not a center and don’t want be 1, he have been screaming for years to get a big man so he can move to his natural position, BUT LD for some reason continue 2 drink marvin grape cool aid, how can LD be coach and continue 2 starte a player who maybe the worst player 2 starte for a team 6years in a row, player are suppose 2 earn it just like Teague had 2 wait for two year and a player become injured before he can see the floor.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The same way LD has curtailed Jeff Teagues alleged turnover problems, bad decision making(neither of which I have seen), and actually has curtailed a year’s worth of experience, he can curtail Smith’s shot selection. But he won’t becuase he is a coward and we the fans are the victims. At the end of the day Josh smith can’t shoot from the bench just like Jeff could not make a mistake from the bench. REALIZE WHAT TRUE COACHING IS PEOPLE. LD SUCKS AT IT! AS A RESULT WE ONLY WON 44 GAMES THIS SEASON AND LOST LAST NIGHTS GAME! FREE THE TEAGUE!

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GAME 3 STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS.
make this team better and plus more balance, with teague who driving and penetrate 2 basket and collins big body in the paint keeping noah of the boards like he did superman, make this team more balance and better, plus M.I.A MARVIN who never should starte a game in his career unless he show and prove plays better of the bench anyway.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Guys, If you wanna encourage smoove on his blog as well, here’s the link:

http://www.jsmoove.net/?p=701#comment-6473

Please no rude comments, even Slimjr left a decent comment lol. Regardless, Smoove is very polite when he responds even if the fans are being jerks. Mine was the big one at the bottom (T.C)

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*Where

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Chicago’s 3 starting front court players combined for 37 REBOUNDS!!!!!!!!!!! Ours combined for 27.

Absolutely pathetic. Josh Smith was outrebounded by 6 by their starting SF
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WE NEED TO HELP OUT ON THE DAMN GLASS. GET ZAZA IN THE GAME

The rebounding is the whole series.

Teague had a monster night and we freaking lost.

Al, Josh, and Marvin: SHAME on you.

Marvin, 2-9…. Are you f’ing serious?
Al, 3-12…….Are you f’ing serious???
Josh, 4-14…Are you f’ing serious???

Josh was 0-2 on 3pt fga

I am still waiting for Horford or Josh to lead the team offensively in a game. Al said he loves playing Chicago. Dude is almost as soft as Marvin with his offensive execution and defense.

We CANNOT let Josh play this many minutes. He is destroying this team. We need a BIG like ZaZa getting MORE MINUTES

We need DAMIEN in the game to help be physical with Deng and cut his rebounding down

This series is ours. I whole-heartedly think we are better than this team. Teague had a freaking career night and we did not win.

Our PG who didn’t play at all this year on the most part severely outplayed our “All Star” and our hero (Josh)

SMDH
FIRE LD
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By the way, did you guys see the opening tipoff? Why the hell do we have Josh jumping against Noah if he isn’t even going to jump?

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There were several times when I would’ve subbed Zaza for Josh. Glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that. JJ was clearly tired at the end of the 4th quarter. My girlfriend called it right before he threw away the ball. I think the player missed a lot of gimme shots, lay-ups, put backs, but LD’s substitution pattern didn’t really help either.

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Aside from Jeff and Joe, the Hawks played like ish

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Too bad we can’t trade Josh Smith, after all, he is the only reason fans go down to the arena to watch the Hawks.

Maybe Nick Van Exel should be working with Josh Smith.

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All this Marvin bashing is only because we passed on Paul and Williams.but guess what?..Neither has won a damn thing in the NBA..i will not back off my comments that Marvin is 20x better than Josh…i have been following Josh since he came through our program with the Celtics..coach Mccray could not get the kid to listen..no coach can..He jacks up bad shot after shot and this has been killing us for years..without Marvin, we lose game 6th against Orlando and then we get blown out game 7…Ok, Marvin had a bad shooting night, just like Jamal, and Josh was horrible last night…I just don’t understand the regular posters on here…We have a man who was given 120 million and barely shows up 2 games in a row, a guy who jacks up bad shot after bad shot , a coach who refuses to play a center, let JT roast on the bench and once again its time to blame the Marvin…SMFH

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JOEY1, actually, you’re an idiot. Josh is terribe. Kills this team night in and night out.

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I like hinrich but just to prove a point. Teague had more blks and free throws in one game against D. Rose than hinrich did all last series against jameer nelson(6 games). He also scored more points against D. Rose than Hinrich has all season against any opponent. Why in the world should he ever have been starting over Jeff? As a matter of fact why is he a Hawk? You got it larry drew. FIRELD NOW.

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Test.

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Marvin didn’t have a great night last night, but neither did Josh or Al.
Our entire frontcourt folded on both ends. We’ll never win like that.
And Josh shot like ish in Game 1 (3 for 11).
Some things I’ve noticed:
-Josh is putting way too much arch on his jump shot. He wasn’t shooting that high before, but now he has extra arch on every shot. I don’t know why he changed his shot in the middle of the playoffs, but he picked a bad time.
-Al is hesitant with his jumpshot now. You can tell he thinks about it in the last 2 games. If he goes back to just rising up and knocking it down, I bet money he’ll be Automatic Al again.
-Marvin just has good nights and bad nights. I think he’s shooting the same, but sometimes they go in, and sometimes they don’t for that guy. This is what we have with this guy. Simple and plain (although what we have isn’t worth 8 million/yr). But at least he stopped taking jumpers and crashed the boards after a few misses (although they missed lay-up made me die a little inside).

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“Since his first all-star appearance was by default and second was due to limited EC center talent, it raises the question: Is he overrated as a fools-gold all-star? Or perhaps this is just temporary playoff-jitters and his underachieving game will improve.”

Ans: overrated…

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I know people are saying it has just been 2 games, well OK, PLAYOFF GAMES AGAINST THE MVP(who happens to be a pg)! And if you go look during the season anytime teague consistenly played he has always produced in spite of this high school offence that caters to Joe and Jamaal.

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The 3 Stooges can’t carry a duffel bag…Those three are so overrated..44 wins spells overrated!!

The guards will have off nights!!

Wheres our bigs???? As Allstar Al put it avoiding contact to the best of their ability…

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The Hawks should be scoring at least 110 points per game. I figured this out last night as I was watching the BULLS CRUSH THE HAWKS. The Hawks should get the scoring from this grid every night:
Joe Johnscon: 25 POINTS 7 REBOUNDS
Jamal Crawford: 25 POINTS 5 REBOUNDS
AL HORFORD 15 POINTS 10 REBOUNDS
JOSH SMITH 15 POINTS 10 REBOUNDS
MARVIN WILLIAMS 10 POINTS 5 REBOUNDS
ZSA ZSA 10 POINTS 8 REBOUNDS
HINRICH 10 POINTS
TEAGUE 10 POINTS
ADD IT UP AND IT COMES OUT TO 120 POINTS AND 40 REBOUNDS PER NIGHT. THIS IS THE SCORING GRID THAT THE HAWKS SHOULD BE EXECUTING TO PERFECTION.

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J from the A

I respect you view but if you look at our offense Jeff does not get a chance to really make plays. Look no further than the fourth qtr after he hit that jumper. Joe went 1 on 1 and got stripped. Next time down Joe 1 on 1 and threw ball out of bounds. Next play dwn Jamal 1 on 1 kick out to Josh for 3.(He missed) The play before all that happened Joe set a pick for Teague, out of respect for his speed offf the edge they trapped and he passed to Joe wid open 3 (He hit). Joe has lead us in assist for the last 6 years because he is the primary ball handler even with Hinrich here. Guess who is 2nd Josh. WHY! Because of this stupid offence that does not call for the point to be a playmaker but a spot up shooters. The only problem is our playmakers can’t make plays. FIRELD NOW!

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J from the A, bullsh#t. The Hawks do not lose a lot of anything when Josh comes out of the game. Go back and watch Game 1 of this Bulls series, for instance. All the big runs (ALL OF THEM) come with Josh on the bench.

I swear….the Josh Smith blinders some of you wear is getting old. The guy is not a good player. He isn’t. He’s been different levels of awful for nearly the entire season. Throw in the fact that he is uncoachable and you have a player that needs to go.

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He only proven to be uncoachable by LD! Fire the clown ASAP!

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Adrian Dantley was 6′5 and would destroy Chicago’s front line..He’d get 40 on them…Al, Josh and Marvin(aka the 3 Stooges) look like high school……

@it was a great pick, your boy Billy Knight crowned himself the “BasketBall Expert!! Look how he screwed all of those picks.. I smile at you guys who profess we dont know basketball….

Know this we got scrubs for Bigs……………The guards carry these stiffs night in and night out….

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AGAIN to the people who say we need to trade josh smith , you are idiot, even though he shoots ill advised shot his defensive effort make up for it, if he could just control his shot selection we would be better. jeff teague if he develops like weve seen over the past 2 games we will be a elite team in the next few years,, and as bad as we played we still could have won,the bulls are verberable, they r a one man team,, hawks win in 6, we r still on pace

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SECTION 303 SHUT UP YOUR ARE THE BIGGEST BANGWAGON FAN EVER

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J from the A, the defense has gotten better without Josh. How is the defense better with him on the flloor? Does the team benefit from him running halfa$$ed up the floor and not getting back on D? Is it when he stands around and watches guys get wide open looks? Is it when he does not box out (which is always, by the way, and has been that way for years)?

Josh has gotten a little worse every year. He’s a lost cause. I have never really like him, but I used think he had the tools to be really good. He still might have those tools, but his lack of effort and stupid decisions will always get in his way. He’s trash that needs to be thrown away.

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JOEY1, I’m a bandwagon fan? Really? Me? Not worth my time to totally trash you on that. I’ll let it go.

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@slim Jr

lol..thanks for the new name..it sounds better…Why bash a guy who is 6ft8 playing center?..Al is the smallest center in the NBA…Billy Knight made 2 bad moves..1.Mike Woodson 2.Sheldon Williams over Rondo…Lets review Knights picks
Diaw A+..woody refused to play him..a steal at the end of the first round
Childress..josh smith.A….Both very talented never played with a decent coach..or at natural positions
Marvin Williams..B+..Read above comments
Sheldon Williams..F..But i heard that this was really Woody’s pick..He wanted a guy who played 4 years in college
Al…Acie law.A+..If we would only start this kid at PF..WOW..Acie never got a chance..you know how that goes

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The truth about game 2

The Hawks already earned a split, shot 34% and were out reb by 20 but the Bulls only scored 86pts. Offense will come and go but our defense has been solid.

Positives…Teague has been a beast and DRose hasn’t.

Did anyone really expect the Hawks to win after they won game 1?…C’mon

This is still our series to lose.

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both iso guards had off nights, so our stiffs were exposed for who they are….

Couldn’t carry a duffel bag….

Scottie jettson the ” warp core” asap! Aye Captain!

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Slimjr, don’t worry. I will. Scream will be the loudest with J-Smoove is traded away this summer. I’ll start the bidding for him at a bag of balls.

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#6 lottery pick in 04=Josh Childress (F-), #18 pick= J smurf (C-)

#2 Lottery pick in 05= Marvin Williams (D-)

#5 Lottery pick in 06= Sheldon The “Slum lord” Williams, should have drafted his wife Candice Parker(3-time All American) (F-)

#3 Lottery pick in 07= non Allstar Al (C+)

passed on CP3,DWill,Felton,Andre,Deng,Rudy,Roy, Rondo,Granger……..The list goes on and on……………et al…………………………………….

Thank you Billy Knight, the self proclaimed “BASKETBALL EXPERT” unquote…..

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There was a stretch in the second half prior to JS taking off his head band that LD should have undoubtedly taken Smith out of the game. To watch those 2-3 minutes were just painful. I don’t just blame JS for these episodes of poor judgement and knowledge of the game, you have to wonder why isn’t LD saying/doing anything, why are his teammates giving him the ball in positions where he knows he is going to fail and why there is no one in sight that will demand that he get inside. On two of JS ill advised shots, “chicken heart” MW made the pass. Which brings me to my most glaring point. The make up of this team is such that all of these guys are likable, mild mannered and there appears to be no one who is demanding enough to expect more not even the coach. That is why the emergence of JT is so vital. This point guard by committee is destroying the flow of the game in the absence of streaky hot shooters. How many good teams historically in the NBA have allowed whoever gets the ball to push it up the floor? On one hand you marvel at the fact that they all can push on the other hand you understand why Marvin is pushing the ball and kicking it out to JS for jumpers, he does not have the ability to make the right play at the end of the push. A prime example of this is MW push in the first half when he had a trailer on a two on one and instead of dropping off the pass for a dunk, he makes a weak attempt at a layup only to be bailed out by a foul and subsequently missing both free throws. Lastly is Al had 14 rebounds he should have had 28. on most occasions he has morphed into a perimeter player, hoisting far too many jumpers, add his jumpers to JJ’s, JC’s, JS’s and this team is solely an outside team. There is rarely a chance of offensive rebounds. Perhaps more alarming than Al’s putrid offensive game is his poor defensive rotations, where he often appears to be asleep. Although his offensive game may be mechanical at times his defense should never be out of gear as much as it has been over the course of this year.

All that being said with all of the mistakes and lack of judgement, this is a very winnable series, all that is required is attention to detail.

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Interesting with the playoffs going now one of the most unpredictable I have seen in a long time. I think you are seeing though is a changing of the guards. The old school teams like San Antonio, Boston LA are slowly being replaced by the younger ones such as Heat, Bulls, Philly,Pacers, Hawks, Knicks, Memphis, Okc, Portland. I dont count Dallas cause they are an old team and this may be their last shot to get a ring. It is refreshing to see the changing of the guard.

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Grandad couldn’t have said it better last night!

“Josh is Uncoachable” enough said…Bye J non-smoove…………..

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The last 4 minutes was the most painful display of the LD offense we have seen since he was announced as the HC. We simply threw in the towel instead of forcing our will.
Saying that, I thought for sure we would be down 0-2. So, in a 5 game series with us having home advantage?
I like our chances if it gets done by Game 6. Otherwise, it is just another ATL heartbreakin’ series when fans start believing in you.

And where would CHI be if Joe went there this summer? My goodness…..

And the truth is, we need Joe more than I thought because we would not blow this thing up had Joe left. We would have signed JC1 to a long term and that might not be the best thing despite the need to have him on our bench as instant offense.

I would have to say if we have concerns about the PG this offseason, then LD and Sund truly don’t know what we have and what a PG is supposed to do. It is going to almost take a MVP performance from JT to keep LD from yanking him.

And remember what Orlando did when they reached the Finals against the Lakers? Jameer was hurt throughout the playoffs, Rafer Alston gets them there and braniac SVG throws Jameer in there and blows any momentum they had that year.

I can see LD doing that once Kirk is ready to go again….just rip Teague right out of there.

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Josh unfortunately thinks he is Lamar Odom and was never taught how to play inside out game and a structured one.

Truthfully, lately I get the impression that Josh thinks that he’s Larry Freaking Bird with all of the 3-point and deep 2-point attempts he seems so determined to launch any time he get’s the ball in his hands.

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MC – Great post! As always really, but thanks!

Your my favorite sportswriter, local or national..No agenda, just like to tell people I appreciate a good job, it’s becoming so scarce nowaday. You got National potential man! But you probably know that already.

Quote from the article:

“Zaza played just eight minutes. Even though he seemed a bit slugging early, I think more Zaza and less Josh might have been in order since the Hawks were getting outmuscled at the basket.”

Yep, we were screamin’ that last night. Then LD says we didn’t protect the rim – no duh. But I also think a rotation of ZaZa, Al, and Josh would have been effective.

Al is spent.

Etan played good vs. Chicago in a game earlier this season, as against OKC and Orlando.

We needed him to bang Boozer and Noah around.

Activate Etan, and let he and ZaZa bash on Noah and Boozer a while.

Al definitely needs a break

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It was the worst pick in history,

Al Horford is listed as 6′10, 245 on the official NBA website, so is not to small to play center, and he was voted by the coaches two years in a row as an All Star Center. He would have no chance to be an All Star if he played power forward, and I still am not sure if he is a better power forward than Josh. His defense is very average, and his help defense is terrible, and he has absolutely no post game.

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Paging All Star Al………. You there? Your team is in the playoffs. They need you to play like an ALL Star.

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Going forward, it will be hard but Hawks will have to make some decisions or changing the makeup of this team.

Free Agents in 2011:

Point Guard
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)

Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Andre Miller, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.3 million – Team Option ($7.8 million)
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.0 million – Team Option ($2.1 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Toronto Raptors – $7.1 million – Player Option ($7.6 million)
Rodney Stuckey, Detroit Pistons – $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.9 million Qualifying Offer)
T.J. Ford, Indiana Pacers – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
Carlos Arroyo, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Ronnie Price, Utah Jazz – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Patrick Mills, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Sasha Vujacic, New Jersey Nets – $5.5 million – Unrestricted
Sebastian Telfair, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.7 million – Unrestricted
Charlie Bell, Golden State Warriors – $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($4.1 million)
Willie Green, New Orleans Hornets – $4.0 million – Unrestricted
Mario Chalmers, Miami HEAT – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Jason Williams, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Earl Watson, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Pooh Jeter, Sacramento Kings – $0.5 million – Team Option ($0.8 million)
Jose Barea, Dallas Mavericks – $1.7 million – Unrestricted
Sundiata Gaines, New Jersey Nets – $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
Chris Quinn, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Marcus Banks, New Orleans Hornets – $4.9 million – Unrestricted
Earl Boykins, Milwaukee Bucks – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, New York Knicks – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Acie Law, Golden State Warriors – $0.7 million – Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Uzoh, New Jersey Nets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*

Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)

Ray Allen, Boston Celtics – $10.0 million – Player Option ($10.0 million)
Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic – $14.4 million – Unrestricted
Jamal Crawford, Atlanta Hawks – $10.1 million – Unrestricted
Arron Afflalo, Denver Nuggets – $2.0 million – Restricted ($2.9 million Qualifying Offer)
Wilson Chandler, Denver Nuggets – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Shannon Brown, L.A. Lakers – $2.1 million – Player Option ($2.4 million)
C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz – $3.7 million – Team Option ($3.7 million)
J.R. Smith, Denver Nuggets – $6.0 million – Unrestricted
DeShawn Stevenson, Dallas Mavericks – $4.2 million – Unrestricted
Mike Dunleavy, Indiana Pacers – $10.6 million – Unrestricted
Chris Douglas-Roberts, Milwaukee Bucks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Nick Young, Washington Wizards – $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Sonny Weems, Toronto Raptors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Mo Evans, Washington Wizards – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Daequan Cook, Oklahoma City Thunder – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Anthony Parker, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.9 million – Unrestricted
Eddie House, Miami HEAT – $1.4 million – Player Option ($1.4 million)
Marquis Daniels, Boston Celtics – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Marcus Thornton, Sacramento Kings – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Roger Mason, New York Knicks – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Gary Forbes, Denver Nuggets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks – $18.3 million – Unrestricted
Delonte West, Boston Celtics – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Stephen Graham, New Jersey Nets – $1.0 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Dominic McGuire, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Alonzo Gee, Washington Wizards – $0.6 million – Unrestricted*
Jeremy Lin, Golden State Warriors – $0.5 million – Team Option ($0.8 million)
Von Wafer, Boston Celtics – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

Small Forward
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)

Caron Butler, Dallas Mavericks – $10.8 million – Unrestricted
Thaddeus Young, Philadelphia 76ers – $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns – $3.2 million – Unrestricted
Tayshaun Prince, Detroit Pistons – $11.1 million – Unrestricted
Shane Battier, Memphis Grizzlies – $7.4 million – Unrestricted
Reggie Williams, Golden State Warriors – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
James Jones, Miami HEAT – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Al Thornton, Golden State Warriors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kapono, Philadelphia 76ers – $6.6 million – Unrestricted
Josh Howard, Washington Wizards – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Rasual Butler, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Jamario Moon, L.A. Clippers – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Julian Wright, Toronto Raptors – $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Peja Stojakovic, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic – $1.9 million – Unrestricted
Kelenna Azubuike, New York Knicks – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Quinton Ross, New Jersey Nets – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Shawne Williams, New York Knicks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Ime Udoka, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Vladimir Radmanovic, Golden State Warriors – $6.9 million – Unrestricted
Joey Graham, Cleveland Cavaliers – $1.0 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Jawad Williams, Cleveland Cavaliers – $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
Rodney Carney, Golden State Warriors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DaJuan Summers, Detroit Pistons – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Damien Wilkins, Atlanta Hawks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Steve Novak, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Brown, New York Knicks – $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
Darnell Jackson, Sacramento Kings – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Cartier Martin, Washington Wizards – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

Power Forward
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)

David West, New Orleans Hornets – $8.3 million – Early Termination Option ($7.5 million)
Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs – $18.8 million – Early Termination Option ($21.1 million)
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz – $17.8 million – Unrestricted
Jeff Green, Boston Celtics – $4.5 million – Restricted ($5.9 million Qualifying Offer)
Boris Diaw, Charlotte Bobcats – $9.0 million – Player Option ($9.0 million)
Troy Murphy, Boston Celtics – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Kenyon Martin, Denver Nuggets – $16.5 million – Unrestricted
Glen Davis, Boston Celtics – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Ronny Turiaf, New York Knicks – $4.2 million – Player Option ($4.1 million)
Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets – $3.2 million – Unrestricted
Reggie Evans, Toronto Raptors – $5.1 million – Unrestricted
Louis Amundson, Golden State Warriors – $2.2 million – Player Option ($2.4 million)
Chuck Hayes, Houston Rockets – $2.3 million – Unrestricted
Yi Jianlian, Washington Wizards – $4.1 million – Restricted ($5.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Josh McRoberts, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Jared Jeffries, New York Knicks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Luc Mbah a Moute, Milwaukee Bucks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Jason Smith, New Orleans Hornets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Craig Smith, L.A. Clippers – $2.3 million – Unrestricted
Dante Cunningham, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Joey Dorsey, Toronto Raptors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Joe Smith, L.A. Lakers – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Malik Allen, Orlando Magic – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Jonas Jerebko, Detroit Pistons – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sam Young, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.9 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Juwan Howard, Miami HEAT – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Brandan Wright, New Jersey Nets – $3.4 million – Restricted ($4.6 million Qualifying Offer)
Darius Songaila, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.8 million – Unrestricted
Leon Powe, Boston Celtics – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Shelden Williams, New York Knicks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wilcox, Detroit Pistons – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
DJ Mbenga, New Orleans Hornets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Brian Skinner, Milwaukee Bucks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Hamady Ndiaye, Washington Wizards – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeMarre Carroll, Houston Rockets – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Solomon Jones, Indiana Pacers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cardinal, Dallas Mavericks – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Brian Scalabrine, Chicago Bulls – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Josh Powell, Atlanta Hawks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Melvin Ely, Denver Nuggets – $1.1 million – Unrestricted

Center
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)

Nene, Denver Nuggets – $11.4 million – Early Termination Option ($11.6 million)
Marc Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies – $3.6 million – Unrestricted*
Tyson Chandler, Dallas Mavericks – $12.6 million – Unrestricted
Yao Ming, Houston Rockets – $17.7 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Charlotte Bobcats – $7.4 million – Unrestricted
Samuel Dalembert, Sacramento Kings – $13.4 million – Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers – $6.8 million – Restricted ($8.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Nenad Krstic, Boston Celtics – $5.7 million – Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Kyrylo Fesenko, Utah Jazz – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Erick Dampier, Miami HEAT – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Miami HEAT – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers – $6.7 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $6.9 million – Unrestricted
DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Kurt Thomas, Chicago Bulls – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Francisco Elson, Utah Jazz – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Hilton Armstrong, Atlanta Hawks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, New Orleans Hornets – $0.9 million – Player Option ($0.9 million)
Jamaal Magloire, Miami HEAT – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Dan Gadzuric, New Jersey Nets – $7.2 million – Unrestricted
Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.3 million – Player Option ($2.5 million)
Kwame Brown, Charlotte Bobcats – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Theo Ratliff, L.A. Lakers – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Etan Thomas, Atlanta Hawks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry – $11.3 million – Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.8 million – Unrestricted*
Alexis Ajinca, Toronto Raptors – $1.5 million – Unrestricted

free agents in 2012:

Centers:
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bynum
Javale McGee (RFA)
Chris Kaman
Mhemet Okur
Marcus Camby
Anthony Tolliver
Ian Mahinimi

Forwards:
Gerald Wallace
Elton Brand

Guards:
Chris PAul
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Raymond Felton
Andre Miller
Jameer Nelson
Carlos Delfino
Mo Williams
Baron Davis’
Kirk Hinrich
Ramon Sessions
Dhantay Jones
Randy Foye

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So Josh is 0-12 from beyond 15 feet in the series? Hmmm…

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And Mr. Horford . . what people are saying about you being allergic to the paint, is right on point. If your midrange jumper is broke, do what most bigs do (( cough )) Noah (( cough )), and start RELENTLESSLY crashing the offensive boards. Get your points by grinding to get offensive rebounds and putting them back in the hole.

With the amount of jumpers that Chicago missed last night, you and Smith should’ve had 12+ rebounds apiece easily. But for you, the rebounding expectations has to be placed a little higher. Your 14 rebounds looks impressive . . but you only had 2 offensive rebounds total ( both in the 3rd quarter ).

With the way you are shooting the ball, we need you to be a DOMINANT rebounder. And that means more offensive rebounds in which you’re getting us extra possessions. If you’re not getting the ball to shoot your precious 18 footer, crash the boards HARD, to see if you can get an offensive rebound.

If your teammate at PF isn’t going to do it, or box people out to keep them off the boards, you need to have a mindset that you’re going to get 20 rebounds.

@ Grandad . . . maybe I was hard on Al with the D+ rating . . so I’ll give him a C-.

I mean, I can’t consciously give him a C for that performance last night, despite the ( +19 ) in help value he gave us last night. He had a ( – 13 ) for the game, which was the worst on the team. His jumper was completely off. Despite the number of missed shots, he only grabbed 2 offensive rebounds.

When we subtract the jumpers that you missed ( 8 ), the Hawks were 4 – 20 from 16 – 23 feet and 3 – 13 from three. That’s 7 – 33 on long jumpshots that you didn’t shoot ( 26 misses ) . . yet you only were able to grab 2 of those rebounds.

I’ve been asking all playoffs, who is going to get dirty or grimey on this team? Collins can do it, but he can’t rebound worth a damn on most nights. Zaza can do it, but his defensive rebounding is less to be desired. So if you and Smith don’t want to get your uniform dirty, who can we count on to do it?

Just a disappointing night from you guys. Completely wasted a career game from Teague, who essentially gave us Jamal Crawford like production last night. Had you two even played close to decent, we win that game.

Stop being so fuggin soft, and mix it up on BOTH ENDS of the floor.

Play like a friggin BIG.

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Rod from College Park: you are absolutely right. AL IS MISSING IN ACTION. WHERE IS THE EXPLOSIVENESS FROM THIS ALL-STAR WHO HAS BEEN SPECTACULAR THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS. WHERE IS AL HORFORD? The guy who is playing inside Al Horford has quit for the season. Maybe Al has been brainwashed or his mind has been completely short-circuited but every time Al touches the ball and has an open look for a jump-shot, Al takes the basketball and gives it up like its a hot potatoe, instead of shooting his 64% field goal percentage and drilling the jump shot. If I didnt know any better, I would think that Al has a twin brother who has been playing basketball for the last couple of months and the real Al Horford is either in another country, on another planet or is on the beach in Hawaii somewhere. Please put out an APB on Al Horford so he can come back to the team and help us defeat the Bulls so we can move on to the Eastern Conference Finals.

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Nice to see Teague getting some national shine. 2 games to trips to the postgame podium. It’s cool to criticize Josh but don’t for get about Al. He has played just as bad on the defensive end.

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How the hell does Teague outplay Smoove and Al in 2 consecutive games? These guys got huge contracts for the coming years and are useless on offense.a

WHERE ARE THE HARD FOULS? WHERE IS ZAZA? DAMIEN? THOSE ARE THE 2 GUYS WHO WILL PLAY TOUGH – NOT THIS BUTTERFLY BS

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The Hawks are not handling success very well. Last night for example, the Hawks had a chance to go up 2-0. The Bulls offense is anemic, boozer has turf toe and cant score well, Derrick Rose has a grade2 strained ankle and instead of the hawks taking advantage of the situation, they watched the Bulls dominate the glass and embarrass them on national tv. The hawks stink and I cant wait for them to be eliminated.

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Let’s not talk about Marvin anymore, because he so inconseqential. I think Al and Josh will show up in Atlanta. I love and hate Josh at the sametime and I think most of us have this feeling about Josh. So far the Teague Rose mathup has been even and that is encouraging. We need to win the other match ups we have. There was one match up I saw that we did not exploit and that was Korver checking Teague. If this match up presents it’s self again we should go to it.

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total opposite of what Noah did last night when asked why the team seems to play better defense w/ Taj on the floor..

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Great Article

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nba/story/15029890/lack-of-killer-instinct-costs-hawks-in-game-2

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And about Al:

Among PF’s and C’s still in the playoffs, he’s number #1 in minutes played per game.

And amongst players still in the playoffs, he’s second in rebounds per game.

So Al is doing pretty well in many areas, but his shooting is not doing very well.

And it’s not like Boozer beat us last nigh or anything with Al guarding him. Josh dominates Boozer however.

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SteveW . . but he’s not. The only thing . . and I mean the only thing he’s doing better than he did during the season, is defensive rebound the basketball. And even with that, he’s only slightly better.

Horford, for the most part, is an offensive PF/C. So when his offense is bad, he tends to be bad. We’re finally getting halfway decent play out of JJ throughout the playoffs, and Jamal for that matter.

But the guy that most people were ready to anoint as the “cornerstone of the franchise” is playing like a SG at center? Nah man. Al used to play tough on the inside and flex on people when he made a tough play. Now, he’s just looking to shoot his jumper, whether he’s making them or not. As a “big”, he needs to be trying to hit the offensive glass, and see if he can get some cheap points the same way Noah did last night. He and Smith don’t even think in those terms though, because they love the perimeter too much.

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If guys on the team like Josh (especially) are banged up, why did they play the final 6 games of the regular season, IN WHICH WE GOT DESTROYED?

FIRE LD

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1AGAIN to the people who say we need to trade josh smith , you are idiot, even though he shoots ill advised shot his defensive effort make up for it, if he could just control his shot selection we would be better. jeff teague if he develops like weve seen over the past 2 games we will be a elite team in the next few years,, and as bad as we played we still could have won,the bulls are verberable, they r a one man team,, hawks win in 6, we r still on pace

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The whole game last night, even though we were down 8-12 points pretty much the whole time, I never really got the impression they outplayed us.

As soon as this team pays attention to rebounding, BOXING OUT (which Josh has NEVER figured out), and being aggressive on offense, it will coast in this series.

I am not impressed with Chicago. Teague played just as well as Rose did last night.

Teague OUTPLAYED “All Star” Al Horford and Josh (and Marvin, but who cares? he sucks)

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“More Damien less Marvin”-YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is why we lost game 2. Marvin and Josh were liabilities on the offensive end and could not capitalize on the double teams sent at Joe and the attention paid to Jamal. Damien has only given positive minutes with his time on the floor and Marvin is timid on offense and slow to react to Deng’s slashing on defense.

But Marvin was not the worst player on the floor, it was Josh. Give him credit for his honesty in the post-game response, but he could not even make a free-throw let alone a jump-shot. How about a lay up? He missed a couple easy and-one’s and layups around the basket because he was in a rush and panicked. He needs to settle down and finish strong at the basket. That was bad, but the turnovers were the worst-starting the 2nd half, in the first 4 minutes josh had 3 turnovers and an airballed jumpshot. He should have been pulled from the game, but LD kept him in along with Marvin!!!!!!!!

LD needs to hold everyone accountable and if they are not contributing then they do not deserve to be on the floor. Plus, guys ran out of gas in the 2nd half, Al, Joe, and Teague, played the entire half AGAIN and had nothing left when we finally came within striking distance.

In the first quarter our offense was excellent. We had 4 straight possessions that ended in layups. But turnovers and a lack of contribution from our wings lost us the game. Teague did everything he could to keep us in the game and he was undoubtedly our best player in game 2, but other veterans have to step up. You do not have to win the game, but you absolutely can not make mistakes that lose us the game. Play with in yourself. Joe and Jamal will not be able to carry us this series like they did in the last one. The Bulls are too good and too smart defensively to let that happen.

If I were LD I would be very quick to go to the lineup of: Teague, Joe, Damien/Jamal, Al, Zaza

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Rod,

In terms of pure talent, I think Josh is a better PF than Al. But I’m sure you know the issues with Josh, and 7 years later, they are still there.

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Also, it is important to stay positive if your the Hawks. a 1-1 split is a good result and we have a chance to take control of the series with 2 WINS HERE AT HOME.

That’s right, we need both of these games. What has seperated the Hawks from the championship contending teams in the past is that “killer instinct”.The Hawks did not have it against Orlando in the first series when up 3-1 we took a game off, got blown out and let them back into the series.

This will be the ultimate test to see how far the Hawks have come-they did their job in Chicago with a split and now they have to come home and take care of business and get control of this series. NO COMPLAINING, NO EXCUSES.

If we give everything we have and play with in ourselves we will be in the NBA Finals this year.

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Al Horford has been getting a free pass while all the blame falls on Josh. You cannot expect Josh to suddenly be great with his wing-play and penetration at this point in the season. He takes wild long two’s as a product of the spot he is asked to take for Joe and Jamal (weak side ISO). The play everyone is talking about is actually Joe’s fault dropping the ball to Josh with 6 seconds on the clock left.
Many times we are misinformed to expect Josh to shoot his way onto 15 points or so, his best bet is getting offensive rebounds and a couple of post up plays.

As for Mr. Horford,WTF? MC or Bradley and the national media all seem to forget that he is supposedly an All Star player-well, it is time he gets his through hook or crook, I dont care if he scores 15 points all by tip, please score. I dont see why Josh is playing Noah either-MISMATCH LD.

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Marvin, Jamal, Al, and Joe Smith combined to shoot 11-45 (24.4%) from the field last night, as the only good performances came from Johnson and Teague. The frontline and the bench need to step out if the Hawks are gonna take this series. Check it out:

http://bit.ly/jZSTwH

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“Josh dominates Boozer however.”

Exactly! Why is everyone here calling for a lineup change? We dominated their front line with Al & Smoove in Game 1. We just need to go back to the matchups which worked.

Smoove on Boozer / Horford on Noah

a.k.a.

LAZY on LAZY / CRAZY on CRAZY

The Bulls were a weak #1 seed to start with, and now their superstar is banged up. The Hawks should win this series in 6. Coulda woulda shoulda …

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Northcyde – I still stick to my theory that Al is gassed.

I know during the regular season, when he played alot, he usually ended up hurt. He’s toughing it out on the D Boards, 1 against 3 many times because Josh is nowhere to be found, and the Bulls are crashing Deng in there also.

My analysis is – Al is too passive offensively

No post game

Playing too many minutes

I say bring ZaZa, Etan, and/or Collins for some spot minutes a little more.

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Section 303 – Think what most Josh fans miss, is Josh jogging up the court at less than half speed alot. I know almost all NBA’ers take plays off, it just seems like Josh does it alot more than most.

So yes he is a beast on D, when he wants to play D and locks in. When he doesn’t, he just becomes Marvin, invisible.

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Josh for LaMarcus Aldridge throw in marvin too

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bad robot! LaMarcus played like an Allstar this year…

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Watch Al destroy Noah and Boozer at home for games 3 and 4. Al’s stats for Friday 20/20/6. Just watch…

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Earth to All Star Al…….. Earth to All Star Al…….. The Hawks need your help. There are two All Stars on this team. We should not always have to depend on one.

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Josh for Lamarcus?

LOL why would Portland EVER do that?

You people can’t just offer our trash for other teams’ gems. It doesn’t work that way. You can’t trade a tweener 6″9 player for a 6″11 star

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Game 1: iso an JC1 shots were falling which covered for our front line Stiffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Game 2 : Chicago changed their defense and trapped/double team iso, got the ball out his hands and said Josh and his boys try and beat us!!!! Add JC1 having an off night missing wide open or contested jumpshots and since our front line cant carry a duffel bag it spells loss.
Teague kept it from being a 30 point loss like the regular season…..

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okay Two 6′9″ tweeners for the price of one 6′11 solid player’?? Just askin???

We need to upgrade this front line in the off season big time..Those blowouts in the regular season where shots across the bow…Our front line is c+ material at best…….

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On sum real ish, we should atleast attempt to trade josh in the off season. This guy just pisses me off and ive been one of his biggest supporters. He has the worst shot selection ive ever seen -he thinks he’s chuck person or dale ellis-FAIL,Not to mention that no offense Noah ate his luch in the paint last night. He doesnt listen to coaching and it shows-LD constantly tells him to attack the paint and what does he do -shoot jumper after jumper.Also lets be honest here he really isnt that good of a post player he misses alot of easy shots and is about as limited as horford in reference to post moves.
Props to teague for showing some “DOG” 1 turnover in 2 games if the rest of the guys would hv shown anything we would have won this game easily. Boozer is garbage 80 mill for this clown is a rip off.
I hv alot of respect for rose on and off the court that guy is a class act and he’s better than most Pg’s even with a hurt ankle….fast dont lie
Where the funk is marvin williams….Wilkins and Sy need to see some minutes friday …..Horford picked the wrong time to disappear….jeez

Could we possibly get bogut for josh/marvin/ 1st round pick

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Nene would be a nice fit on this team if we didnt hv to give up Al. Josh/Marvin/filler……….Al is a 6′9 jump shooter we could use a real center like Bogut or Nene so Al can shoot jumpers RMFE…..nene is a grown man in the paint just ask Perkins we need a goon n the blocks not jump shooters at 4/5………….Dallas up 2-0 I love this ….Long time Laker hater but something tells me dallas will slip up like they did in 06 against miami and in 07 against Golden state.

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We have homecourt advantage against the team with the best record in the NBA, the MVP and coach of the year. Why in the world are there so many people complaining and already asking for trades???? (I wouldn’t mind shipping out Marvin though…)
GO HAWKS!!!

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@Rod

Like i said before if Al is 6ft 10, how tall is zaza 7ft2..I could care less what NBA.com lists Al…He is not taller than Zaza or Noah..why bash a guy who is the smallest center in the NBA?..

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I’m really starting to believe I think it was “Buddy Grizzard” with this Las Vegas Larry thing. The rotations and play calling was just terrible.

1. Josh Smith played the worst first half of basketball I have ever seen. Coach Drew, if you are telling him to go to the hole, and not shoot jumpers, and to give the ball to the point guard, and he continues to do the opposite, sit his a@% on the bench for a little. Josh plyed much better in the second half, but the first half was horrible.

2. Marvin Williams should not ever, and I stress EVER start a professional basketball game for the rest of the time that he is an Atlanta Hawk. It is so obvious that Damien Wilkins will give us much more, and for some reason Coach Drew and Coach Woodson have some sort of infatuation with him.

3. Al Horford was voted an Al Star as a center. He is an average power forward. Please let him play center. He should be guarding Dwight Howard and Noah, not Josh Smith. Josh Smith should not have to defend centers. Al is is All Star, let him prove it. Playing him at PF exclusively is turning him into Marvin Williams. No reason Noah should score close to 20 points, and our All Star Center has 6 points.

4. Jamal Crawford should not play point guard. If Teague is on the floor, Teague should be handling the ball, not Jamal. If Teague is on the floor, he should always guard Rose. Jamal should not be matched on Rose unless we have no other options.

5. Teague should have been starting day one. What in the hell is he doing in practice, to no get any minutes?

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Horford and Josh Smith have picked the wrong time to disappear. The Hawks cannot be proud of the way they played last nights game in Chicago. In that game, the Hawks were worse than they were when they got blown out 4 times by Orlando last year by over 100 points. I’m not trying to jinx them, but if the Hawks continue playing like they played last night, they will lose the next 2 games in Atlanta at Phillips and give Chicago the upper hand for no apparent reason. Im sick of being a Hawks fan. Its a complete waste of time. The players dont care. The will have one great game followed by 10 lousy games in a row.

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Gearon on 680

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What the heck happened to the Lakers??? Down 0-2?? Wow….Who would have thunk??

Guess we should be satisfied with a split? Fyi the Hawks had the 4th toughest schedule in the NBA this year.Chicago did not..So their record is bit inflated but they still earned it….

Our guards will get it together and win the next two..One of the 3 stooges has got to step up…Chicago is going to try and keep the ball out of iso hands or quickly trap him..Hes got to go much quicker in his decision making..Allstar AL should play out of his mind for a change!!!! He done it once this year against the same team…..Pick and rolls will work against their front line…Use it alot!

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Gearon and your boys got a billion reason why you need to open up the check book and get it done…

No more freaking excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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I don’t know about Nene, but it sure looked like Perkins was suprisingly available this season. Nene is going to get a lot of cash…something the ASG will not have to throw at him.
You guys aren’t thinking like you have to think…you have to get someone and trade them of equal salaries/value.
No one is taking Josh/Marvin in the same trade for a starter for us.
We will have to ‘dump’ Marvin like we did Bibby, lose another draft pick and find a 1M player to play that role.
How are we gonna ‘dump’ our guys if we keep showing unrealistic options?

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Slim, they have opened the checkbooks lately; the question is how far are they willing to go to achieve past this level?
The further they go this year, the less chance they go out and spend more.

Can we get past the 2nd round since we have NEVER done this before? We have a long road this next week to see if this roster can play some sort of winnable basketball beyond 1 game.

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To win Championships cost..See Boston and Lakers!

@ Rod from CP is preaching today from the mountain top!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome…………….

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I can’t stand Joe Johnson but I love the Hawks. Here’s my JJ hate page, enjoy, lol..

http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-Joe-Johnson-ATL/181197331929997

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@it was a good/great/turrible et al……………….. pick,

CP3 is 1 million times better than that #2 lottery pick..98% on this blog would probably agree?..Do you owe Marvin some money? LOL

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The Hawks are for real! They are en route to Phillips now and will stop D-Rose and Bulls tomorrow night. When Rick Petino former coach of the Celtics said when he coached them years ago that LARRY BIRD AND KEVIN MCKALE ARE NOT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR, its almost the same as if Larry Drew were to say to his team, MICAHEL JORDAN are SCOTTIE PIPPEN are not playing for this current Bulls team. The guys who are playing are D-Rose (who has suffered a Grade2 ankle sprain); and Carlos Boozer (who is suffering from Turf Toe). My God the table is set for the Hawks to dominate the Bulls. I noticed in last nights game NO ONE COULD STOP JEFF TEAGUE AND MARVIN WILLIAMS FROM DRIVING INTO THE PAINT AND MAKING LAYUPS. Josh Smith doesnt do it because he is too stupid to drive in the lane and make easy baskets. Like a blogger pointed out before, josh is shooting 20% from the outside and 60% from inside the paint, yet josh continues to launch jumpshots hurting his team only making a 20% percentage, while we are struggling offensively to put away a pesky Bulls team who is outrebounding us by a country mile. If Josh had come inside the paint last night, the Hawks would have won the game by 30 points. JOSH HAS BRICKS FOR BRAINS AND WILL NEVER FIGURE OUT HOW TO UTILIZE HIS GOD-GIVEN ABILITIES.

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Slimjr
NeNe would Destroy Boozer and Noah!.

In 27 minutes against the Bulls on 11/8/2010, NeNe had 8 points and 7 rebounds. Noah had 13 points and 19 rebounds. Deng had 17 pts and 7 rebs.

In 26 minutes against the Bulls on 11/26/2010, NeNe had 18 points and 7 rebounds. Noah had 17 points and 16 rebounds. Deng had 24 pts and 11 rebs.

I don’t think Boozer played either game.

So the numbers say NeNe does not destroy Noah. In fact, Noah destroyed NeNe. And by the way, NeNe only averaged 7.6 rebounds per game this season, and Kenyon Martin averaged 6 rebs per game, despite Denver playing up and down.

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“If the Lakers dont come back, the Western conference finals participant will be either Thunder, Dallas or Memphis. All the teams that remain in the playoffs THE HAWKS CAN BEAT THE TAR OUT OF ALL OF THEM. ”

Given that the Mavs AND the Thunder swept us in the reg. season, what makes you think we could “beat the tar” out of either?

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I would like to know if Horford read this blog. Someone has to call him out on his softness. He has played soft since the ASG, and his “defensive” and driving-to-the hoop abilities are getting worse with each game. He got 14 rebounds yesterday, but he stayed as away as possible from the paint the whole game. He even had the guts of watching Smoove fighting downlow with the bulls and did nothing to help him.

He is no longer the tough Gator the Hawks drafted. That guy was a winner; this one is a soft coward who is giving us reasons to think how overated he is.

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We only need steady production from the SF position. Marvin can’t even provide that. He plays MEANINGLESS minutes. Damien should start over him.

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Allstar Al is starting to play like Alicia Keys….

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Marvin defined as ’scant’ contributions…yep, that about covers it. He is still a couple games away from another big contribution.

Give Damien his minutes until then…you will get about the same production and with perhaps a nice drive or 2 to the rack.

Gotta share a quote from the commish here from yesterday:

Stern mentioned the Hawks while going down a list of positives for the league. “Finally Atlanta wins a playoff game and a series, and here they are,” he said. …

Uh, commish, have you not been around the last 2 years when the Hawks make it to the 2nd round then too?
Does that tell you what the league, the national media and anyone basketball related think about the Hawks?

No wonder DHoward kept saying, “It’s the Hawks”!

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Jeff Teague had 21 POINTS last night and we lost.

Yeah, good job Al Josh and Marvin

Idiots

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Are we really still debating whether Marvin Williams was a bad pick?

Dude that keeps coming here insisting that Marvin was a good pick isn’t going by any actual facts or numbers.

Fact is, Marvin Williams can’t create his own shot, and he doesn’t shoot a lights out percentage when he’s fed the ball for open looks either. He’s not an above average defender. He’s not an above average rebounder. He’s an inconsistent role players who was selected #2 overall who’d probably be riding some other teams bench or be out of the league like his former UNC teammates Sean May and Rashad McCants are now.

I don’t know what games you watch, and I don’t know what leads you to believe that if this guy got more touches, he’d be worthy of that #2 pick. Truth is, even when Marvin does get his opportunities, dude doesn’t do ish with it.

Stop with the Marvin Williams garbage now. Dude is mad garbage. Dude’s been starting for 6 years now and hasn’t shown anything in those 6 years to prove he was worth the pick. Jeff Teague’s been rotting on the bench for 2 seasons – - dude gets his opportunity – - and makes the most of it. I don’t think Coach Drew is running any plays for Teague. Dude takes the initiative to make it happen himself when he sees his opportunity.

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yeah slim nimbers will get you every time.

you got to watch out for the steady guys like o’b to drive it home, eh?

yeah, nene would be a good addition to the team, addition, without losing anyone else. we still need one more talented big to play. it also might keep josh honest if there was some talent to go to on the bench.

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Since Coach Thibodeau feels Marvin Williams is one of the most underrated players in the NBA, do you think Hawks mgmt. can convince him, John Paxson and the rest of the Bulls’ boyz to trade Deng for Marvin on a straight-up swap? The answer is “not.” I personally think Coach Thibs was just blowing smoke up our backsides.

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^^^BTW, I meant to say “not” [sic] instead of “no.”

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The one group of people who is clearly benefited by the age restriction, and would be benefited further if the age restriction were increased, is NBA GMs. The longer players are made to wait before they can enter the league, the more game film GMs and scouts have with which to evaluate them. If Marvin and Kwame had stayed in college for several years, my guess is that eventually when each one had the chance to shine they would have been exposed as mediocre players, and the result would have been that they would have plummeted down draft boards accordingly.

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“Allstar Al is starting to play like Alicia Keys….”
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Allicia Keys is a what? 5 time Grammy Winner and a Legend at her craft.
Al Horford could only dream of accomplishing those levels at his craft.

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Marvin, Josh, and Al have overall all had pretty mediocre playoffs

These playoffs have all been about our guards, Collins, and Z

SMDH

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LOL @ Thibodeau calling Marvin underrated.

Must’ve been talking about Marvin Gaye’s all-time ranking for 20th century musicians

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People from places like Chicago and New York swear they are so tough but prove to be such bytches so often when challenged. That’s why they all try to gather in places like ATL after they figure they really aren’t that tough and they are not one of the one’s that the slogan if you can make it hear you can make it anywhere does not really pertain to them.

Take a look at how they are calling Jeff Teague a dirty player.

http://forums.realgm…p?f=6&t=1110714

What a joke these big bad Bulls fans are.

I still get the feeling this series can be won, but on the other hand, I think it is rigged for so many reasons. MVP Rose will get better ratings in the ECF’s and Obama said he was coming to the games if they made the ECF or the Finals can’t remember which one.

Go Hawks, it’s you against the world as usual.

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@dmaryb, and o’brien, you guys are right Alicia Keys is a Champion!!! I must reword my frustration at our “Allstar” who aint playing like one…

Allstar Al is starting to play like Alice in Wonderland! LOL

@mandigo, yea I am tough on this dude cause he letting his buddy Noah off the hook.. I watch this Allstar several times get the ball 10-13 ft from the basket and I saw lanes available to him on my flat screen to take it into the paint!!! He hesitated and the opportunities evaporate..
Now I am bias because I play ball so I see the opportunities hes passing up for weeks on end now…He is literally passing up great opportunities to help his team..Something must be wrong with him..He’s not the same player???

He should not dare talk about Josh’s game. He is allowing himself to be neutralized without even trying…so sad……………..Allstar Al………………..@6′10″ this dude should be trying to tear down the back board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Send a message to everybody in the gym…………………..

@Blogman,

word on the street, chief gangsta, the godfather wants Chicago to win in the worst way….He was there at game 2 watching live to send the message to his henchmen(da ref.).His cover was presenting the MVP trophy..Oh how convenient….Brilliant, Mr Stern……
He could of made the presentation before game 1!!!

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I hear Toronto is open to trading Calderon and Bargnani. We could use a BIG that can score, Bargnani is a post player he is a poor man’s Dirk IMO. I would love him as a Hawk but not for Josh because Bargnani does not rebound or play good D.

Hawks get: Bargnani and Calderon

Raptors get: Kirk, Zaza, Pape, Magnum, 2nd rd pick in 2012, 1st rd pick in 2013 and 2015

PG Teague/Calderon/Anthony Carter
SG Joe/ Jamal/ Anthony Parker
SF Josh/ Marvin/Damien
PF Bargnani/ draft (Jordan Williams)/Chris Wilcox
C Al/ sign Jeff Foster/ resign Collins

This is not ideal but we would be a lot more explosive offensively and have maybe just enough defense. Calderon is a starting level PG so we could use him as trade bait for a team needing a PG with a serviceable C.

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i’m not hatin’ on d-rose, but i would much rather have cp3, d-will. d-rose’s game is WILD. yes, he scores in bunches, but to me he plays outta control, to a point where he can’t get his teammates involved. kinda like vick circa 2002-07, his o-line had no idea how to block for vick, because he was likely to go anywhere.

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Things could be worse, this could be a Laker blog.

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THE U,

atleast they have about 17 banners hangin’ from the rafters. plus they know that next year bynum and odom or gasol will be in orlando and d-12 will be playin’ wit’ kobe.

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Drew lectured Smith before practice Thursday.

“His shot selection was not very good. He was trying to do too much,” Drew said. “He admitted that was the case. He didn’t feel good about the way he played.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AnwRRTKeddkz.CVrqM5mPpa8vLYF?slug=ap-bulls-hawks

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the fact remains the nba went through it’s worst period when high schoolers were entering the nba in record numbers. the nba slowly climbed out out of this rut after they implemented the 1 year rule. the nfl thrives partly because they have a 3 year rule. most kids are not mature enough to handle the rigors and pressures of professional athletics.

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honest_abe

May 5th, 2011
9:24 pm

the fact remains the nba went through it’s worst period when high schoolers were entering the nba in record numbers

Facts have proof, show me the proof.

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Rod – ” Teague should have been starting day one. What in the hell is he doing in practice, to no get any minutes?”

Agree

“The rotations and play calling was just terrible.”

I agree again

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oh but wait. i guess it was just mere coincidence that basketball had gotten to a point where even the most die hard of fans had a hard time watching it. just theory, not fact.

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Facts have proof show me proof if you really are all about Honesty Abe

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if i cared about the issue that much i’d dig up numbers. the fact is i don’t care. and i don’t think a lack of proof lessens that fact one bit.

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Rose really needs to sit out. But he won’t. He’s a warrior.

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huh? brazilians love gold with their kim chi. that makes about as much sense as what you just said.

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I thought Chucky Hayes was the smallest C in the League at 6-6? What’s all this about Al being the smallest C in the League?

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Teague’s upside=Curry’s upside

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David Lee is playing C – he’s 6-9 240

Gortat is 6-11 but only 240 lbs

Tyson Chandler only weighs 235 lbs.

Kristic only weighs 240

Chucky Hayes is 6- 238

Hawes only weighs 245

Ryan Hollins 240

Joel Anthony is 6-9 245

That’s just a few of the top 30 C’s in the League that are smaller or the same size in height or weight as Al. A lot more bench guys play C that are smaller than Al.

And about Al at PF – he hasn’t shown me he’s quick enough to guard PF’s on a regular basis.

The guys is an All Star C. He just needs to hit the weight room and play like it. And against some of the bigger C’s start ZaZa or Collins.

But Al’s best position in the NBA is Center.

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Al is not a championship caliber C in the NBA, bottom line. I don’t care what stats anyone can come up with. He does not protect the rim by blocking shots or taking charges. Jason Collins is closer to a championship winning C than Al Horford

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I have heard feel Horford is gassed but I dont want to hear that. I have seen Ewing play with bad knees and bust it his whole career exhausted. Same with Jordan play when he couldnt lift his arm and many other players.

This series reminds me a lot of the ‘97 Bulls hawks series but this bulls team isnt nearly as good as the jordan pippen team. This series is for the Hawks to lose. No excuses. IF they lose will be a bitter pill to swallow and I feel major changes will have to happen unless hawks win a chip this year

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Down with the doom and gloom. I never expected the Hawks to get by Orlando. For me this is bonus coverage. All that aside I think we can win the next 2 if Teague holds up. I am not worried about Josh or Al at home.

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“the nfl thrives partly because they have a 3 year rule. most kids are not mature enough to handle the rigors and pressures of professional athletics.”

The much more relevant and overriding reason why the NFL thrives compared to the NBA is because unlike basketball, football is a sport where a good coaching staff can take a team full of role players and make them a championship contender, whereas in the NBA every fan base that roots for a team without a superstar knows deep down inside that their team is not going to win a title. This is just the nature of a sport where 22 players start and height is not a prerequisite vs. a sport where 5 players start and height is a prerequisite — the talent pool is naturally deeper in football. It’s easy to maintain the interest of a larger group of fans when said fans know that their team can also win it all. The age requirement is relatively irrelevant in this regard. By at least one indicator of maturity — criminal record — the NFL does no better than the NBA (and might actually be worse) despite its three year college requirement.

There may be some players who are benefited from a maturity standpoint by going to college as opposed to going straight from high school. I think players like Leon Smith fall under this category. But this discussion started with regards to developing basketball skills, and I don’t think there’s any evidence that prep-to-pros draft busts wouldn’t have just proved themselves to be worthless in college rather than the NBA if they had been forced to go to college for three or four years. Al Jefferson skipped college and has some of the best fundamentals in the league in the low post. Kenyon Martin played four years of college ball and still has little to no offensive game. Ultimately you are what you are as a player regardless of the environment.

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Wow @ some of the excuses for Horford. No other player on this team, ( maybe other than Teague ), would be protected like some of you are doing with Al.

As our center, Horford needs to play like a BIG. Not a guard.

The assists are great. But I’d much rather for him to grab 4 or 5 offensive rebounds a game, than for him to be dishing out 5 assists.

Play like a damn big. When you’re around the FT line, and a shot goes up, go HARD toward the glass and try to get an offensive rebound. Horford should especially do this if his shot isn’t falling.

I know people like Horford but damn. The excuses are in full effect I see. The people criticizing him are doing it because we see that he is not mixing it up on the inside.

When I talk about BALANCE, one of the aspects I’ve talked about is with our frontcourt. If we can’t have both Smith and Horford playing on the outside, if they’re playing PF and C. One of them will have to go into the paint and do the dirty work.

The balance has to occur somewhere. There is no way we can have a repeat of what we saw last night. With all of those missed shots, either Horford should’ve had close to 20 rebounds, or both Horford and Smith should’ve collected 13+ rebounds apiece.

But these guys can’t keep playing like SG/SFs. Play like friggin BIGS.

And with both guys shooting atrocious in the playoffs, it’s all the more important that they play bigger . . MUCH BIGGER . . than what they are playing right now.

Forget an assist . . how about executing a few nice post moves, or grab an offensive rebound and dunk it on somebody’s head.

Seriously . . can we have THIS HORFORD for the rest of the series?

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NO REST FOR THE WEARY

While some here have “called-out” All-star Al (including myself) for his lack luster playoff performance, there is also the suggestion that he is just fatigue to explain his shortcomings. After reviewing these stats, that idea may have some merit;

2010-11 Postseason MINUTES LEADERS: Minutes per Game

Displaying results 1-50 of 142 PLAYERS found

RANKED #10 Al Horford, ATL GP=8 MIN=320 MPG= 40.0
RANKED #5 Joe Johnson, ATL GP=8 MIN=333 MPG=41.7
RANKED #4 LeBron James, MIA GP=7 MIN=295 MPG=42.2
RANKED #1 Luol Deng, CHI GP=7 MIN=302 MPG=43.2

Other than Dwight Howard who has gone fishing, Al is the only other center in the top 10 out of 142 players playing the most playoff minutes. So while he wears the burden of being an All-star and should still be criticized when he doesn’t carry his team, it is worth noting a possible reason why. He should take notes from JJ whose minutes are even worse but is playing at a higher level compared to Al. For this reason (at least for now), JJ (for the first time in the playoff) is meeting “star” expectation.

But one of the “overlooked” root cause to Al Horford struggles should not go unnoticed, that’s LD. I can understand why he over-extends JJ minutes since he brings unique skill sets that can’t be replicated from the Hawks roster. But there is no excuse as to why he over-extends AL Horford minutes since the Hawks are over-stocked at the center position.

When bloggers criticize Larry Drew as being Woody-“Lite”, this is exhibit A: he rides his “star” players like horses and runs them in the ground. During playoff, they have no legs and we blame the players for not showing up. Some of our criticism is justified but their fatigue often goes under the radar.

BLAME LD!

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Hawks in 7

I’m celebrating next week in Rio. Meet me at Club Luomo.

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Watching Josh Smith’s offensive game is almost as painful as trying to read a post made by darrell starks.

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Buddy Grizzard:

There’s a story here that may never be told because Teague will never complain now that his time has finally come.

What story?

I want to see Teague dunk on somebody tonight. If you reading this Teague I noticed that you were not shooting floaters in game 2 which is a good thing. Now the next step is to dunk on somebody in traffic that will get you to the line more because the refs will no they can’t stop you when you do that.

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Rob from CP Thats just my point about teague this is the same teague we have seen all year long. You say what was he doing in practice to not get any minutes. My answer is…… GETTING OVER LOOKED!!!!!! AND STILL BEING CALLED ROOK

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LD just does not get it. I really want to win this series and head into uncharted waters but he is so stupid, and has so few principles but talks such a good game that makes unknowing people think he is smart and has principles.

Bottom line: If LD is so stupid that he can not see the only way we win this series is to start Collins or Zaza he should not be back next year. He should have never went back to this small lineup that gets us killed because the lineup creates toughness and consistency issues.

PG Teague
SG Joe
SF Josh
PF Al
C Zaza or Collins

We win this series, beat the Celts and atleast push Miami to the limits if we stayed with the big (tougher) lineup. I still say the best regular season performance we had was blowing Utah out, in there building when they still had Deron Williams after they beat us early in the season. The difference was we went to the big lineup the second time around and blew there doors off. LD just does not get what his best lineup is, that’s why whoever the new GM is has to give Marvin away, even if its just for a 2nd round pick. We simply can’t have him as a option on this team if LD is hell bent on starting him.

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blogman,

I disagree with starting Collins. He is not a very good rebounder, and we need all the help we can get on the boards (we were outrebounded by almost 20 last game). Plus the Bulls do not play through Noah very much, so Collins wont have the same impact defensively like he did against Howard.

I would be ok with starting ZaZa, and Josh on Deng defensively might be worth a try, because Marvin has not been able to slow Deng down. But I would be concerned about Josh and his shot selection playing SF.

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@Rod

Al played pf at Florida, Noah was the center..LOL..you are a funny dude.Everybody knows that Al is a PF…Well, except you..If AL was 6ft10, he would be gods gift to basketball….

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It was not a bad pick…We ALL hope Marvin gets traded in the offseason. The problem however is that he’s so underrated that no team is willing to give anything of value in return just so they can take on his 3 yrs and $23M+ in salary. For a player with the potential you rave about, surely he’s worth such a modest 3-yr salary, right?

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I think we all hold Teague to a perfect standard too, but we hold everyone to a perfect standard

When Bibby was nonexistent EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, we got just as mad as when Teague didn’t play well in the regular season

FIRE LD

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I agree with the fan who said “JASON COLLINS SHOULD BE STARTING”. Either Josh Smith or Marvin Williams or both of them need to be demoted to the bench. Both of those idiots are not contributing to the Hawks success. I know Al Horford is in a slump right now, but I know that AllStar Al will come out of his slump and help us as soon as he can. MARVIN AND JOSH HAVE BOTH QUIT ON THE TEAM AND BOTH NEED TO BE EITHER RELEGATED TO THE BENCH, TRADED AWAY OR CUT FROM THE TEAM. PERIOD.

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JEJE,

do you want to fire LD before or after the game? effin’ idiot!! the hawks are on the biggest mission in 14 yrs and yo’ dumazz want to fire the damn coach when he is doin’ the best he can with what he got?

AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A FAN?

atleast wait to see if we win the series or not before you fire the damn man. sheesh.

HAWKS FANS RISE UP AND STICK TOGETHER

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I BELIEVE THAT HAD LARRY DREW STARTED TEAGUE THE ENTIRE YEAR, THE HAWKS WOULD HAVE THE #1 SEED IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. THE HAWKS WOULD HAVE WON 65 GAMES IF TEAGUE HAD BEEN THE STARTER. THAT IS HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE-MAKER TEAGUE IS AND HE SHOULD BE STARTING FROM NOW ON. TRADE HINRICH FOR RASHAD LEWIS AND I THINK THIS TEAM CAN WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP.

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meant games 3,4, and 6^^^^^^^^

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Great idea starting the game at 7pm!

Now we’ll have an empty crowd for the first half of the game.

I saw that Hinrich has been talking to Teague in timeouts – not what he said he’d do, but I’m glad he’s doing that. Why would we NOT bring Hinrich on the trip to Chicago? Shouldn’t even be a question

Josh said he’d change how he plays Friday. I wonder if when LD confronted him yesterday he got mad LOL
Grow up already

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“TRADE HINRICH FOR RASHAD LEWIS AND I THINK THIS TEAM CAN WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP”

LOL, this must an agenda via the Wizards

“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.” —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 – President George W. Bush

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““There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.” —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 – President George W. Bush”

This dude went to Yale and is a bonesmen??? Tell me other wise the system aint rig????? 5 dollar gas coming to a pump near you, this dude is laughing all the way to his bank account….

Ignorance is a willful act….

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LARRY DREW FOR COACH OF THE YEAR. DREW IS A BETTER COACH THAN THIBIDEAU YET THIBIDEAU JUST WON COACH OF THE YEAR HONORS. IT TOOK A MIRACLE FOR THE BULLS TO WIN 60 GAMES BUT IT WAS NOTHING THAT THIBIEDEAU DID TO CAUSE THAT. I HEARD THIBIDEAU SAY IN A PRESS CONFERENCE THAT JEFF TEAGUE STARTED 7 GAMES THIS YEAR. I DONT REMEMBER TEAGUE STARTING 7 GAMES. OK. LETS SAY TEAGUE DID START 7 GAMES. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE HAWKS RECORD WAS FOR THOSE 7 GAMES. WERE THE HAWKS 7-0. LARRY DREW IS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT NECESSARILY A QUALIFIED COACH, ITS JUST THAT THE HAWKS BIGS ARE SO TALENTED THAT ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO MESS UP THE TALENT THAT THE HAWKS HAVE AND THE GUYS ON THE TEAM DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD WIN 44 GAMES AND THATS IT. THE HAWKS DID NOT MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO WIN 50. THE HAWKS COULD HAVE EASILY WON 60 GAMES IF THEY MADE THE EFFORT, BUT THEY DIDNT WANT TO WIN ANY MORE THAN THEY DID. THE HAWKS UNDERACHIEVED AND THEY SIMPLY DONT CARE WHETHER THEY ACHIEVE SUCCESS OR NOT. ALL THE HAWKS WANT FROM MANAGEMENT IS THEIR PAYCHECKS. ITS EVIDENT IN THE WAY THEY PLAY BASKETBALL. THERE WERE SO MANY TURNOVERS IN THE FIRST HALF OF GAME 2 AGAINST CHICAGO, IT WAS CLEAR TO ME THAT THE EFFORT WAS NOT THERE AND THAT HAS TO GO BACK TO THE COACHING STAFF. THE COACHING STAFF IS TO BLAME FOR THE HAWKS LACKADAISICAL ATTITUDES AND EFFORTS. ALSO, THERE IS A CANCER ON THE TEAM NAMED JOSH SMITH WHO SHOULD BE REMOVED.

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tyger

May 2nd, 2011
3:19 pm

Hawks in 7, here’s why?

1. LD will devise a D to neutralize Rose. I suggest a zone blitz.
2. Hawks mentally/physically/spiritually tougher after Magic series.
3. Individual matchups are pretty even overall.
4. JJ’s playing better, his domination of Korver/Brewer is key.
5. Teague contributes after watching Rocky I, II, III, IV.
6. Damian ain’t scared to throw ‘dem bows.
7. Smoove/Deng is a good matchup, younger legs prevail in 7.
8. Horford has Noah’s number.
9. Big lineup will neutralize Noah, Thomas, Boozer.
10. Watson scares me.

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@JeJe- Why so much hatred. You must have been in a bad relationship with one of the Hawks players. Sorry it didnt work out.

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