Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 103, Bulls 95
1:09 am May 3, 2011, by Michael Cunningham
Chicago–It’s not hard to figure out why lots of people don’t like the Hawks.
- The numbers guys disdain them because they don’t compute on some things they hold sacred, like victory margins and inefficient shot selection. Old school fans don’t like the Hawks because of the way they’ve dogged it at times. Those who like their offense fluid scoff at Iso-Joe.
- I’ve been as hard on the Hawks as anyone. They deserved the scrutiny with so many home beatdowns. They don’t play to their strengths often enough. Some of L.D.’s ’s tics are hard to figure, like the two-foul rule and the banishment of Teague and Zaza to the end of the bench.
- But, at some point, don’t the Hawks deserve some credit? If one of the knocks against them was that they too often lie down, then why don’t they seem to be getting any Ps now that they keep rising up?
- “People talk about Boston, Miami, Orlando and Chicago in the East and nobody talks about the Hawks,” Jamal said. ” We kind of like it that way. We don’t get the glory. We just come out and try to win.”
- Truth is, the Hawks didn’t give anyone much good to talk about until they flipped that switch in Game 1 at Orlando. They’ve won 5 of 7 playoff games since then, though, and yet it seems people still don’t know what to make of the Hawks.
- “If you looked at us in the regular season, we are a roller coaster,” Al said. “We come out and play great, the other game we get blown out by 50, and so people are saying, ‘Same Hawks again.’ And I can understand that. But I think the guys have come to realize we have an opportunity to do something special. We are just embracing our chance to still be in the playoffs.”
- After the game, the questions for the Hawks from Chicago media types were along the lines of: “Now that you’ve got the Bulls’ attention, how do you expect them to react?”
- I would have thought the Hawks beating the Magic in six would get Chicago’s attention even with Hinrich out. And if it didn’t what does that say about the Bulls, who had an excellent regular season but have proven even less than the Hawks in the playoffs?
- The Hawks scored 103 points on 89 possessions against the best defensive team in the league. That’s with Al scoring just seven points on seven shots and Josh skewing the numbers with an assortment of poor shots (but making a key jumper and getting a key block late).
- The Hawks shot just below their average on long 2-point jump shots but got more baskets from 15 feet and closer.
- “We did a much better job in our shot selections,” L.D. said. “We had some moments where we started playing too much isolation basketball and it gets us in a bit of trouble but we played out of it.”
- Teague was thrust into what looked like an impossible situation and flourished. He’s almost as quick as D-Rose, might be even more athletic and showed no fear.
- “Jeff was absolutely phenomenal,” L.D. said. “He played like a seasoned vet. His aggression, his attack state, his ability get into the paint–he played like a kid who has been playing a lot of minutes for me. He really stepped up big with the assignment he had and having to deal with the pressure of being in the playoffs.”
- Teague’s speed makes Atlanta’s half-court sets more dynamic. He turns the corner so fast he demands a hedge from the big and tonight he was good at threading the traps with his passes.
- Teague also looked for his own shot and was much more assertive with the floaters and runners. “I think that’s how I play,” he said. “L.D. came to me and told me to play my game and don’t just focus on guarding him. Make him guard, too.”
- “On the offensive end, not being shy, not being timid and just playing the way I know he is capable of playing,” L.D. said. “I told him, ‘I want you to play like Jeff Teague.’ I don’t want you to bow down to anyone you are playing with, I don’t want you to bow down to your teammates. You are just as important.”
- D-Rose was strangely passive at times. Perhaps he was trying to get his teammates involved but have you seen some of those teammates try to score?
- Rose was 4 for 9 at the basket, 7 for 18 from 3 feet and out and didn’t attempt a free throw.
- “The game plan was to just try to contain him,” Drew said. “We didn’t want to trap him off the bat to open things up. I think my big guys did a really good job at showing out on the screens. Our guards were good as well at corralling.”
- Al and Josh were strong on the boards and with protecting the rim and combined for eight assists against just one turnover. That’s a testament to Atlanta’s sharp ball movement through its big men.
- Zaza, Damien and Twin didn’t play much but made their minutes count.
- Damien was energetic and had a couple steals and baskets. Twin helped the Hawks get through foul trouble with five rebounds and two made jumpers.
- Zaza had some garbage buckets around the basket to keep the Hawks afloat in the second half and finished with five rebounds.
- “We were kind of dead in the water,” L.D. said. “He got his hands on a couple balls around the basket. They were a couple busted plays but the ball was in his hands and he laid them in. Zaza is my energy guy. I need his physicality. He’s a banger and when he plays like that it just makes us a better ball club.”
- I know what you are thinking: The Hawks tried to trade Zaza and Teague was buried on the bench behind Bibby. Better late then never, I guess.
- The same thing can be said for all of the Hawks.
- “We came together before the Charlotte game,” Smoove said. “We had a team dinner and we was talking amongst ourselves about how talented this ball club is and what we are capable of doing. We understood and knew the focus that we had to have to go into the postseason. Guys are playing all out for each other. We are playing with nothing to lose.”
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
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Najeh Davenpoop
May 3rd, 2011
5:58 pm
Superiorblogman understands the concept of “trade value” better than most of y’all. Smart teams understand how much value their assets carry and get appropriate value for those assets. This is why the Kirk trade is still a suspect one, even though in the short term it has clearly made the Hawks a better team.
In regards to how that relates to all this Smoove trade discussion, I’d rather have quality players playing slightly out of position than non-quality players playing their natural position. If you are getting a player of Smoove’s caliber in return in a trade, then it’s fine. But I am not in favor of trading him (or anyone else for that matter) just for the sake of trading them or filling positions with players who are better “fits” for those positions, and certainly not for inferior players. Players like Gortat are role players who can succeed in a limited role but are not going to be core players on any contending team. Trading a guy who for all his faults is a core player on a playoff contender for him would be a bad trade in regards to trade value.
And for that matter, injuries figure into trade value as well. I would be wary of trading a durable player like Smoove for an injury prone player like Bogut, even though talent-wise and production-wise Bogut is probably worth Smoove in a trade.
I really don’t see the problem with continuing long term with Smoove at PF, Al at C, and some defensive role playing center who can step in when the Hawks go up against the six or so centers that Al is not capable of guarding, whether that role playing center is Collins or someone better. To me it’s more important that the Hawks get either a) a true superstar, even if it requires trading one of the Hawks’ three core players or b) a fourth player of Joe/Smoove/Al’s caliber to complement them. I think either move lifts this team into elite status. These Smoove-for-a-decent-but-not-great-”true”-center trades don’t accomplish either goal.
What I hope is that Teague can become that 4th guy. He has a long way to go and there’s no guarantee he’ll necessarily even come close, but he has the talent to do so, and if he does it would take this team to the next level without requiring a trade.
Also, like northcyde said, both Smoove and Al need to work on their post game more than anything else. If each one develops a reliable go-to move (Smoove’s baby hook is close and his up and under move has potential, Al needs a move that takes him toward the hoop in a position to get fouled) they can do just fine in their current roles for this team at PF and C.
Najeh Davenpoop
May 3rd, 2011
6:01 pm
On a totally different note, if the Hawks are going to match Smoove on Noah on the defensive end of the floor, why not do it on both ends? I wouldn’t mind the Hawks starting Smoove at center and Al at PF. If nothing else maybe it gets Smoove in the paint.
Grandad
May 3rd, 2011
6:03 pm
I truly believe, that if Josh had remained in the game,
(and not been replaced by Zaza) we would not have won last eve.
This is a two part statement – true;
(1) Zaza contributed in a big way
— But —
(2) Josh was killin’ us.
* And I repeat again / I really like Josh / not a so called “hater”.
* He has marvelous athletic prowess — however — he is not coachable.
Rod from College Park
May 3rd, 2011
6:07 pm
“Good, solid, non erratic player.”
Not an argument from me there, but he is not playing at an All star level in the playoffs. With the good comes the bad. Out of all those players listed Al is the worst post player of them all, by far. Kind of hard to be a great center or power forward in this league without a post game at all, unless you are Dirk, and Al ain’t Dirk. His FG% has dropped from 55% to 41% in the playoffs. Terrible for a center or a power forward. Horford’s ppg are down almost a total 4ppg from the regular season. He has only been to the line 20 times in 7 games while Josh has been to the line 32 times. So much for attacking the rim. He has not defended the other teams best player in the post, and I personally have not seen the great defense you are talking about. If you are an All Star caliber player, and the other team decides to put Ryan Anderson on you, and you can’t take advantage of that, you should be critisized. If any of the other All Stars I listed scored a full 4 ppg less than what they did in the regular season, they no doubt would be critisized. You are making this an Al and Josh thing, not me. Josh is not an All Star, so I don’t compare him to All Stars. If Joe went from 18ppg in the regular season to 14ppg in the playoffs, should he not be critisized. If you think Al is having a stellar playoffs, thats your opinion, I dont based on the stats, and what I have seen. He also has had a hard time staying on the floor because of foul trouble. I will continue to post my opinions, and you can continue to post yours.
Blast
May 3rd, 2011
6:13 pm
Beautiful time to be a Hawks fan. Every Hawk that played last night scored. Teague scored the very first points of the game with a floater. The person I really loved to see eat dirt was Charles Barkely. Charles, just liked every other media outlet gave Hawks no chance versus Orlando. Hawks went in, took home court and nailed Magic 4-2. Same scenario playing out with Bulls.
Hawks can take their game up another level if thay can win game 2. They should not be satisfied to steal one game. They can further shock the world, and elevate their playoff run by winning game two. If Hawks can do that, they I will officially declare them as having arrived, and enroute to a first ever Eastern conference berth.
Sir Charles, eat dirt. Kenny Smith, chew on grass. Hollinger, chop crow. Y’all suck!
Go, Hawks, Go!
KevinM
May 3rd, 2011
6:16 pm
An article worth reading about as good as the reason for taxes:
“Rose expects to be ready for Game 2 against Atlanta on Wednesday”
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/05/03/derrick.rose.game2.ap/index.html#ixzz1LKXR4oLO
DUH! He’s down 0-1, he just picked up the MVP…you expect him to say he is taking a week off?
Najeh Davenpoop
May 3rd, 2011
6:18 pm
“The games he really played well left me scratching my head at times on how good this kid can really be,” Drew said. “I’ve certainly seen the package.”
Pause.
KevinM
May 3rd, 2011
6:21 pm
680thefan here calls LD a great tactician…..for some reason, that is not the word I think of when LD comes to mind…..
You think he told JT once or twice, “You’re not good enough to play on my team?”
Grandad
May 3rd, 2011
6:21 pm
Najeh
I understand trade value.
see [5:53 pm]
Bogut took a nasty fall last yr, is that inj prone ?
I’m not certain we could get Bogut for Josh ?
True Bigs [5's] are hard to come by & Bogut is pretty darned good.
When I talk about trading Josh, it has nothing to do with positions
or fitting him together with Al or mis-matched parts.
I say constantly, a basketball player is a basketball player…..period.
— But —
I also quote Wooden:
“It’s your best five that -play together-”
I have come to this conclusion;
coaching Josh is not mendable.
KevinM
May 3rd, 2011
6:23 pm
“Sir Charles, eat dirt. Kenny Smith, chew on grass. Hollinger, chop crow. Y’all suck!
Go, Hawks, Go!”
I want the Hawks to win, but it would not surprise you if they just folded like a tent going forward….you can’t predict the moxie of this team…they look good now, but going 44-38 leaves you dumbfounded if they were just waiting for the playoffs to start playing?
KevinM
May 3rd, 2011
6:26 pm
Like saying, don’t watch us during the year..the regular season is so overhyped!
Let the fans hear that just once from this team….
Blast
May 3rd, 2011
6:29 pm
New blog up!
myrak43
May 3rd, 2011
6:38 pm
how is JJ contract looking now?
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Slimjr
May 3rd, 2011
7:01 pm
“He has marvelous athletic prowess — however — he is not coachable”
Bye Josh!! Not coachable adios!!
Allstar AL with the nimbers he putting up could not carry a team. He just a role player……………….
CapedCrusader
May 4th, 2011
12:55 pm
I hope the Hawks dont go into tonights game OVERCONFIDENT against the Bulls. Of course the Hawks should be GREEDY and make sure they go up 2-0 not giving the Bulls any life at all. Then when the series switches back to Phillips, all the Hawks will have to do over the next four games is win 2 out of 4, with 3 being at home. That is a real comfort zone and a managable task for the Hawks to accomplish. From that point all the hawks have to do is go 2-2 and they win the series. Thats not too tough. If on the other hand the hawks let the bull$hits win tonight and the series is only 1-1; then you are vulnerable again to lose the homecourt advantage, should the Bulls steal one game on atlantas floor over the next 2 contests. The Hawks, like a cobra squeezing the life out of their prey, the Hawks should GO FOR THE THROATS of the Bull$hits tonight and take down rose and the Bull$hits. I am truly happy to be a Hawks fan and affiliated with that fine team at Phillips. Who would have thought that a team with so much adversity going against it in total disarray, LOSING THEIR STARTING POINT GUARD FOR THE SEASON (Hinrich), a team without a true head coach (LD), a team with the worst player in the history of the league (Marvin Williams), a team with a head-case player who is the AUTOMATIC/WALKING TURNOVER (Smoove); a team with all these problems and issues going against them, would be on the verge of greatness and a berth in the EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS. Stay tuned, Hawks take down the Bull$hits in 4 quick games.
Matt "Choke" Ryan
May 4th, 2011
2:04 pm
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.
JOSH NEEDS TO DRIVE TO THE RIM AND SLAM THE BALL THROUGH THE NYLON NETS.