Atlanta Hawks: Would they be hopeless without Hinrich? (Update: Hinrich doubtful for series)

Stuart

April 29th, 2011
4:48 pm

First?

will

April 29th, 2011
4:51 pm

time for Teague to put on his big boy pants and play some D.

Stuart

April 29th, 2011
4:52 pm

Even if Hinrich is OK, the Hawks will still need Teague to step up. I am not sure why Drew has not used Teague more often. Teague is just as quick as Rose, but he does turn the ball over more and doesn’t play consistent D… but it’s good enough. But how can Teague get any on the job training and learn from such mistakes if he never plays? That is what the regular season is for, and Drew decided to play JJ and Jamal extended minutes instead. The Hawks (coaches) never seem to fully utilize the team’s talents.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2011
4:53 pm

FREE JEFF TEAGUE

Jerry West

April 29th, 2011
4:54 pm

TEEEEEEEEEEAGUE!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2011
4:58 pm

“Jamal had his moments playing acceptable team defense against the Magic but clearly this is not an assignment for him. ”

I seem to recall the Bulls blowing the 2nd regular season matchup wide open in the 3rd quarter in large part because Jamal was playing point guard matched up on Rose and did absolutely nothing to slow him down. Something tells me this isn’t going to stop LD from continuing to roll with Jamal at PG for extended stretches in this series.

I have no problem with playing Jamal for extensive minutes in this series, particularly if he’s hitting and the big guys are having trouble scoring, but it’s gotta be at the 2, not at the 1. Jamal on Rose is a recipe for disaster.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2011
5:03 pm

“There’s some sentiment in the Hawks’ locker room to play a zone against the Bulls.”

A zone may not be a bad idea for stretches at a time. I think a better idea, though, is one I saw a team use against Chicago earlier this year in a game I saw on WGN (I forget the opponent; maybe the Bucks?) In that game, the opposing point guard was checking Rose man to man, but they used Keith Bogans’ man as a sort of shadow to follow Rose around and disrupt his passing lanes. It wasn’t a true double team since the object wasn’t necessarily to get the ball out of Rose’s hands, just to get in his passing lanes and make him think twice about swinging the ball to the open guy, but it was pretty effective from what I saw. Of course this requires that the Hawks recover when Rose does eventually pass the ball, but that may be something the Hawks could try, particularly with Smoove whose strength is help defense.

yodaddy

April 29th, 2011
5:05 pm

Without Hinrich it is over….hate to be the bearer of bad news

Sautee

April 29th, 2011
5:07 pm

“Jamal on Rose is a recipe for disaster.”

True dat.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2011
5:09 pm

Also, the Hawks would be smart to knock Rose down on his first trip into the lane in Game 1. Put Zaza in and let him take the flagrant if necessary.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2011
5:12 pm

For whatever it’s worth, only one ESPN analyst is predicting a Bulls sweep. Everyone else has the Hawks winning at least one game. None of them pick the Hawks to win the series, but still, for this team even that is a sign of respect. Maybe.

bigdave

April 29th, 2011
5:14 pm

JEFF TEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGUE!

i think Jeff is capable of defending Rose. in fact, it appeared that Rose attacked more when Kirk was on him. Jeff applied pressure to the ball and Rose passed the rock.

limit Joe Johnson on Rose.. please. dont need the fouls leading to limited mins. dont need the tired legs leading to lack of effort. id much rather have him limit Deng’s production.

make them make contested shots. Bulls arent invincible.

JeJe

April 29th, 2011
5:16 pm

ASG is probably happy about the injury. Now they can claim we lost in round 2 because of injury and can keep the core next year

*yawn*

bigdave

April 29th, 2011
5:17 pm

“the Hawks not being physical with Rose when he went to the basket.”

the Pacers front court hammered Rose and didnt care. Hawks cant play w/ out intensity and grit and expect to win.

darrell starks

April 29th, 2011
5:25 pm

MC if hinrich is hurt teague must starte point blank period, like i have said the only way the hawks are going have success is to starte TEAGUE, COLLINS thru out the playoffs, it’ balance the team out and make the hawks a better team, NO LD CAN BE THAT DUM AND GO BACK TO THE TRADITIONAL LINE UP.
HINRICH, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD this lineup will loose in four by a margine, marvin is a better player coming of the bench so starting is a default.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2011
5:28 pm

Damn. Amare Stoudemire stealing one of the Hawks’ formerly most loyal celebrity courtside fans. Oh well. Al Horford will always remember the good times.

ntrigue

April 29th, 2011
5:28 pm

Teague needs to be utilized on order for us to have a chance to win! He is really the only person that can guard Rose besides Kirk, And he also has the ability to drive the baskets and create shots for everyone else. But im not going to get excited because I know Drew is not going to play Teague if he does only at the end of the qtr when Rose is on the bench. He will have Jamal and Joe checking him watch. For whatever reason he wont play Teague or give a good reason as to why hes not playing. MC sense you cant get a good aswer from Drew you need to ask Sund how he feels about Teague getting no playing time.

MB in SC

April 29th, 2011
5:29 pm

Great coverage so far in the playoffs, MC. Nothing to add, just want to say thanks.

darrell starks

April 29th, 2011
5:32 pm

Collins is the reason why your defense look good, his big body in the paint make the hawks more physical and tough, coach LD have stay with the big line up as you can see the hawks are better on the board with collins, with out collins hawks get dominated in side the paint and on the board, collins must continue to starte along with teague.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roddy

April 29th, 2011
5:32 pm

Is Kirk Hinrich playing or NOT? This article just confused the he ll out of me.
“We’ve been talking to Teague already, getting his mind prepared,” Jamal said. “He understands the challenge at hand. I think he’s prepared himself for the opportunity. I think he got a little down when he was not paying as much. Sometimes things work out in strange ways. Now he gets his change to play.”
“It certainly changes things,” Drew said. “Hopefully he will be able to go but if he’s not we will have to make an adjustment. Not knowing what we will do at that point, we will talk about it as a staff and then make a decision.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2011
5:34 pm

Teague gets his shot on the biggest possible stage. Las Vegas Larry has nobody else that can come close to staying in front of him. This is actually good for the Hawks in the long run because our point guard of the future gets to gain some playoff experience.

darrell starks

April 29th, 2011
5:36 pm

Stay with the big line up and starte TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS, the hawks win this series.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grandad

April 29th, 2011
5:36 pm

Triangle & two, match-up zone or sagging man.
The triangle focuses on the Bigs + Box-outs.
The two = one man tight on Rose,
while the 2nd shadows (sagging off his man so much)
*that he can [trap, run & jump, fake trap, help, hedge, etc].
** Yes this leaves the [2] guard somewhat open and
we would be vulnerable.
But you have to give something to get something.
Would you rather take your chances against Rose or;
Korver, Brewer, or that other guy.
My point is;
if you can’t even think of his name…let him try & beat you.

Mike is back wanted some X’s & O’s and I’m happy to oblige.

WindyCity Winner

April 29th, 2011
5:36 pm

I believe that the Bulls will have a god series against the Hawks. I dont expect the Hawks to lay down but I do feel that cohesion is their primary issue. isolation does not work against the Bulls and defensively we match up across the board. Bogans can play Joe and Deng was considered a candidate for Defensive Player of the Year for a reason. Boozer I believe will see a better series and Noah can matchup against any Big Atlanta has. I have the Bulls winning in 6!

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2011
5:38 pm

“Drew said he didn’t use Teague because dribble penetration was less an issue than the Hawks not being physical with Rose when he went to the basket.”

Welcome to the conference semi’s Las Vegas Larry! I don’t think even you will be able to stomach making such absurd comments to the national media you will be giving postgame interviews to.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2011
5:41 pm

Be prepared for more “I never lost faith in Teague” speeches.

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
5:50 pm

Hawks did get blown out in all three games vs Chicago this season..But why were they able to come back twice in the 1st match up and not the 2nd or 3rd? Allstar Al and JC1 may have had some significant impact in all 3 out comes this season?

Can the Hawks grab a lead and maintain it?

Homework for the coaching staff?

This observation I do agree with Najeh. Allstar AL, you must go quicker in the post! He who hesitates is lost.Sir you look lost at times down there……………..Trust your gut…You got it big guy!

Thanks drmaryb!!! I got lucky last night with my prediction……LOL……

And yes winning game 1 about 78+ %, and winning game 3 about 72+% will win the series in a 7 game format…. Larry has to make sure he’s not down by 15 midway through the 2nd quarter, why not be up 5-10 pts??

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
5:52 pm

It’s funny how the only ESPN analyst who picked the Bulls to sweep us, is the same analyst that is based in Atlanta and watches us more than any of those other guys . . John Hollinger.

Then again . . at one time, Hollinger thought that the loss of Josh Childress would make us the worst team in the East going into the 2007 – 08 season, because Chill’s PER was so good.

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
5:56 pm

We should have took DENG or Andre at #6 over Childress!! ……Your ego got the best of you Billy Knight..Mr. know it all?? Huh???

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2011
6:15 pm

Now phx can’t give away chills contract… I was wrong to criticize sund for giving him away

The Real Mandingo

April 29th, 2011
6:23 pm

Part of the reason the Hawks underachieved in the regular season this year was due to LD’s constant lineup changes and erratic substitution pattern. Since some of the reserves couldn’t get accustomed to routine playing time, this threw a lot of bench players off their rythmn and game. Outside of the Kirk Hinrich injury issue, LD should stick with the same starting lineup he used against the Magic. I’m suspect about Jeff Teague. I hope I’m wrong but I think he will probably be very nervous playing against the Bulls in Chicago. After all, he didn’t see much playing time against the Magic. In the beginning, unfortunately, I see JT creating turnovers, making bad passes, taking bad shots and committing imprudent fouls.

Message to LD: If Kirk Hinrich is out with injury and you choose to start Jeff Teague over Jamal Crawford, don’t hesitate to substitute Crawford for Teague especially if Teague begins to play with reckless abandon.

superiorblogman

April 29th, 2011
6:24 pm

I hope Teague goes out there and intentionally turns the ball over 10 x’s a game and goes 0-50 this series if Larry Drew only plays him because he feels he is forced to play him. That’s total disrespect, like when someone tells you that they would not mess with you if you were the last person on earth.

The Truth

April 29th, 2011
6:24 pm

“Jamal on Rose is a recipe for disaster.”

I think the recipe for disaster happens if LD subliminally demonstrates a loss in confidence in Teague before the series get started. Given Hinrich injury, if he doesn’t embrace Teague as a key element to his game plan equation, Teague might play timid. Teague needs a vote of confidence from his teammates and coach to play his game. To do what he does best with an expectation of success. In the recent past, when LD had no choice but to play Teague, Teague delivered. Given Rose quickness, Teague might exactly be a better matchup in our favor with extended minutes. Rose had his way KH in previous games as if he knew his tendencies. Teague, on the other hand, is still unknown to him. Teague defensive highlights should raise his flag.

glw

April 29th, 2011
6:32 pm

Along with Teague, Joe, Damien, how about trying Pape Sy on him. Pape is 6′5 or so, it cant hurt, anybody but Jamal.

RealSquawk

April 29th, 2011
6:35 pm

Lets talk about matchups and lets talk about story lines. Match up wise if we use our bench we can cause a lot of problems for the Bulls. Horford and Zaza can outwork Noah, but it won’t be easy. The 4 is a little tricky because Boozer was nullified against Indiana and I don’t know why, but I think it can definitely be recreated with a mix of Josh and Marvin. I personally Marvin can match up well with Boozer and really trouble him. The three is another task for Marvin and Damien I feel they can keep Deng really busy. No question we have the edge at shooting guard we just need Jamal and Joe to make the right decisions. At the one well yeah Rose has it whether Hinrich plays or not.

I think the story line is simple Larry Drew trusted his Jason Collins and the team relatively stuck with his game plan. In this upcoming series DREW NEEDS TO TRUST TEAGUE. Teague has already shown he can compete and play at a high level and he has the speed to keep up with Rose. I am not saying start him, but I think he should be getting major minutes against Rose and Crawford should never be in that position.

ignition

April 29th, 2011
6:36 pm

I don’t see it… Hinrich got DESTROYED by D Rose last game straight up got taken to the woodsheed.. How is it now that we need Hinrich???? I hope Hinrich is OK but he is way to slow to stop Rose in any way.. Teague was the best option before and is an even better option now.. This doesn’t mean that we don’t need Hinrich we need everyone to play help D to slow him down..

ag

April 29th, 2011
6:42 pm

For those on KH, in three games vs Bulls 5-16 fg 3-7 3pt 1-3 ft total 14 points or less than 5 ppg in 29 minutes. Rose went for 34 and 30 the last two meetings.

Teague 7-12 fg 4-5 3pt 4-4 ft 22points or 7 ppg in 29 minutes or less than 10 minutes per game.

Teague had one to, KH 4

START JEFF TEAGUE

The Game Has Changed

April 29th, 2011
7:03 pm

You guys are killing me. Rose is not Magic, Jordan, or Kobe. Give me a break. Its seem like yall are saying he is going to score 60 ppg and dish out 20 ast. This is the same reason we lost to Orlando last year. People were saying what we needed to do to stop Howard and didnt realize there were other players on the team. Let us all relax. We cant allow Boozier, Deng, and Korver to have their way. Just like last year we let R. Lewis, JJ, and V. Carter have their way. Have the bigs make Rose pay when he drives. And stay on the shooters. They are not creatures. If he take jumpers, then thats fine. You cant stop both but dont allow him to drive and kick or worse drive and score and get fouled. Have a lil faith people. Also, Teague is not ready for the big lights. Sorry

ag

April 29th, 2011
7:05 pm

superiorblogman I beg to differ. If JT plays well, it will continue to show how much of an idiot he is. Remember, one of JT’s best game of the year came against Chi-Town – although in garbage time. He did play against D-Rose, and I believe Rose was 1-5 with Teague checking him

ag

April 29th, 2011
7:14 pm

Teague will show up big….like I have said ALL SEASON

START JEFF TEAGUE
FIRE WOODY-LITE

Irony, if Teague plays well and we advance, Woody-Lite will be the most loved person in this city. To get the Hawks to the ECF. He may even get a Paul Hewitt type of contract.

delo

April 29th, 2011
7:16 pm

the person guarding derek rose need to make him work for everything he gets. make him work to receive the ball, make him work to dribble the ball, attack him at half court and get the ball out of his hands. i’ve seen other teams start to back up just as soon as he crosses half court and let him do what he wants. don’t back up attack him. stay on his right arm and make him go to his left. make him a left handed player and he wont be as effective. make him pass with left hand just stay on his right side. if he shoots he’s still got to bring the ball to his right hand stay on his right hand

SteveW

April 29th, 2011
7:23 pm

We can debate all day about why LD will not play Jeff Teague. But none of knows the reason for sure.

But we can say based on prior experience that LD will either not play Jeff, or he will put him a situation to fail. End of story.

Jeff Teague displayed endlessly during the regular season that he plays well with the athleticism of our starters.

That he can defend on a near elite level. Check the Denver, Portland games etc.

That he does have an outside shot, just no set shot.

That he can penetrate the lane

That he has no floater really as of yet

And LD has shown that he hates Jeff Teague for whatever reason. To the point of costing us JC2, a first pick, and maybe this series because of an irrational desire to not play Jeff Teague by all appearances.

I root for Jeff Teague, because I’ve seen Coach’s before that just have it in for a guy. And that’s why I root for Jeff, because that’s the way it looks from here.

But why does he have it in for Jeff, that is only speculation on all of our part.

The Game Has Changed

April 29th, 2011
7:26 pm

@Delo-Thats middle school coaching playboy. You concentrate on his right he will make you his school girl. Play off him and force him to drive or either pull up. No shooter likes to just stand on the perimeter possesion after possesion. It takes them out of thier rhythm. I know, I was a shooting guard. He wants to get everyone involved. Lets take that away from him. Bogans, Brewer. and Deng are not creatives and will not want to put the ball on the floor. Rose dribble enough for everyone

SteveW

April 29th, 2011
7:26 pm

And I did write on this blog before the playoffs began that LD may pay for the Jeff Teague issue, because Kirk Hinrich is oft injured, and LD may need him in the playoffs.

I don’t think LD will play Jeff over 2 or 3 minutes even if Kirk is out. He will just go with Jamal and JJ at the Point and be done with it.

SteveW

April 29th, 2011
7:30 pm

Jeff Teague was not a turnover machine by any stretch of the imagination. I can’t remember the last time he had over 2 TO’s in a game, even when he played fairly regularly.

Worldwide Clyde

April 29th, 2011
7:30 pm

Injuries are apart of the game. That’s why you need to have your reserves ready in case of an injury.

With Hinrich out I’m sticking by my prediction Hawks in 7. I think Teague is capable of filling in for Hinrich and he will do a good job. When we did not have Hinrich and started Teague the Hawks did ok. We went 2-2 but in those games we lost we did not get blown and the games we had a chance to win late.

To those that are saying we don’t have a chance yall are no better than Nique. Teague needs our support and its pretty dam bad when your “vice president of basketball operations” don’t believe in you. Everytime Teague has played heavy minutes he has proven himself to be a quality NBA point guard.

FIRE SUND

Greg

April 29th, 2011
7:31 pm

If Teague hasn’t done crap since he got drafted, how the hell do some of you people figure he’s going to now magically grow up and challenge Derrick Rose…in the playoffs, no less. Hilarious. As sorry as he has been, Marvin was a great draft pick compared to Teague.

SteveW

April 29th, 2011
7:33 pm

Remember also, LD wouldn’t play Teague against Bibby in that game after the trade, probably because he didn’t want Teague showing what an idiot he had been.

And make no mistake, besides the Collins lineup change, we won the Orlando series in spite of LD, not because of LD.

Sorry I’m being harsh on LD, but it’s just the facts.

And unless we do something extraordinary the rest of the playoffs, and get a ton of confidence for next season, we will be a 7th seed at best next season I think if LD returns as Coach, but with a distinct possibility of being a lottery team.

He’s been that bad this season. Historic losses. All time bad losses.

Worldwide Clyde

April 29th, 2011
7:34 pm

I say start

Pg – Teague
Sg – JJ
sf – Smoove
pf – Horford
c – Collins

SteveW

April 29th, 2011
7:38 pm

Greg – Just not true. When your 2 coaches have been Woody, who hated you, and Larry Drew who loathed you, what was Jeff supposed to do, insert himself into games?

And just as Collins boxscore doesn’t show his value to the team, neither does Teague’s. He was a defensive beast this season, just like Collins on Dwight.

And Marvin was a #2 pick, Teague a #19. Just a little difference there.

And LD could have let Jeff have a little burn against DRose when Chitown when up by like 47 against the Hawks, but not LD.

It’s pathological with LD if you have followed them this season.

SteveW

April 29th, 2011
7:42 pm

Now it’s time for LD to earn some more of that paycheck.

You know the Bulls played long stretches without Noah and Boozer, and kept on ticking. We can do the same, but it’s up to LD to grow up and show some confidence in Teague. He and Jamal can make a serviceable backcourt.

But you know Rose is licking his chops at a chance to get at Jamal. But Jamal is slightly better than Bibby.

ag

April 29th, 2011
7:59 pm

Steve W, I agree. I don’t know were these guys are coming up with turnover machine. I really hate to say it, in the back of my mind LD will not start JT. He will go with Joe at PG and start Twin and Marvin. I have a feeling. Then he will bring Jamal in. Marvin has played well at the two, but Twin starting is not good in this series.

For those of you who don’t know, JT had 3 games when he scored at least 20 points. Marvin had 4. KH has not done it this season. I posted what each man did against Chicago, and JT’s numbers are better in limited minutes.

All season people have begged to play Teague to prepare him for this moment. We won 44 games, and JT had more DNP’s than last season. If Woody-Lite plays JT and he plays poorly, I will be the first to man up and say he does not have it and apologize in the blogs to Woody-Lite.

If he plays well, and gets the Hawks to the ECF….I would want to fire Woody-Lite for being so stupid all season and to keep him because he is the only Atlanta Hawk coach to get them to the ECF.

JT has to step up and us this opportunity. The kid has game. He should not worry about missing shots ( everytime he misses, you see has head drop as he says damn!). Play your game JT.

ag

April 29th, 2011
8:05 pm

Greg and all the rest of you haters are not Hawks fans and do not watch the games. Jeff outplayed KH (statistically) in the three games vs Bulls. If the coaching staff would have given Jeff the opportunity they gave Marvin, Bibby and JCII would still be Hawks. After Monday, a lot of people will be eating humble pie.

ag

April 29th, 2011
8:07 pm

Hats off to Memphis, about to eliminate the Spurs without their best player!

RA

April 29th, 2011
8:07 pm

If Teague is EVER going to be a starting point guard for Atlanta, he NEEDS to make his case NOW!

Franchise-KCMO

April 29th, 2011
8:07 pm

I have to laugh at the posters who make comments on coaching or a players def…with the NBA rules on Def. and contact on a star player..Kirk Hinrich is the best on man defender in the NBA..with the rules allowing moving screens and no hand checking..Kirk can only direct the player to a predetermined position on the floor. In order to do that, he has to take a beating from elbows and knees and fight for every inch he can get to close on the player who, is always the NBA’s poster child and guaranteed to get the call, if they miss a shot..Atlanta appreciate what you have, and hope he can come back..if not, make vacation plans in two weeks!!!

Sleepy

April 29th, 2011
8:25 pm

You start Craw and you trap and get the ball out of Roses hands as much as possible in fact I would even break out the zone while Korver is out . Anything else is just silly because ONE GUY IS NOT GONNA STOP ROSE .

Booo!

April 29th, 2011
8:30 pm

LOL @ Gearon getting on Mark Bradley, Ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9lP9zBI0HU&feature=channel_video_title

For, me this next series against the Cows rests on Jeff Teague. If he has a coming out party, I see positive things for our future. Hopefully someone will give LD the memo.

Free The Teague!

BosnianBaller

April 29th, 2011
8:31 pm

I wouldnt mind activating Pape Sy and just let him play D coming off the bench. Couldn’t hurt as the third guy behind Teague and Crawford. I would give it a try for at least 1 game. Just D him up

brigadierjerry

April 29th, 2011
8:32 pm

This Bulls team reminds me so much of a better offensive version not much of that 2001 sixers team. What hurts the Hawks though is that they do not have a point guard that will make Rose work on the defensive end like the Pacers did with Collison and AJ Price. Rose is not a good defender. Make him get his and worry about the other players not getting off mainly Korver and Deng. If those two can be contained and Horford and Smith outplay Noah and Boozer than Hawks have a chance. Also this series will be won on the boards and in the paint. Defense will have to be a staple for the Hawks in this series because we know the Bulls will win it.

Lastly, I hope this series is competitive like the series I believe the year was 1996–97 with the Blaylok Steve Smith team then the 1992–93 Wilkens Koncak teams. Anybody remember that team?Was ole defensive against that Bulls team and ended up getting swept

JMo

April 29th, 2011
8:36 pm

You sure it’s for the whole series or just for Game 1??
ESPN article seems to indicate it’s just for Game 1 and that he might be back
Later in the week.

Booo!

April 29th, 2011
8:37 pm

This is the saddest damn thing i’ve ever seen Smh!

When asked about Teague larry is saying “yes” but shaking his head “No”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lstyLvlt4w&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

If teague doesnt get significant burn in this series’ he’s gone after the playoffs. If I have to march up to ASG HQ, i’ll make it happen.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2011
8:39 pm

Las Vegas Larry can’t stupidly give Teague the cold shoulder anymore. He doesn’t have a choice. Welcome to your first playoff start, JT.

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
8:39 pm

blog updates with Hinrich doubtful for series vs. Bulls!!

Oh well Larry you coached yourself into a box..No Hinrich!!! Ouch!
Now you have no choice but to give Teague huge minutes….

Go Teague…kick azz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Booo!

April 29th, 2011
8:42 pm

The ONE game we won against Chicago this season, Jason Collins started at Center. Just throwing that out there. Smoove will contain Deng.

Booo!

April 29th, 2011
8:45 pm

MC, I disagree Jeff Teague is the best defensive PG on our roster. It’s not even debateable. Maybe Kirk has more intagibles because of experience, but He can’t hang with Rose like Jeff can.

Marcus

April 29th, 2011
8:54 pm

Seems like every year we make to the Conf. Semis, we have nagging injury concerns. I can’t remember who, but I thought someone was dinged when we played CLE in 2009, and someone else was iffy when we played ORL last year.

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
8:54 pm

Booo!

April 29th, 2011
8:37 pm

This is the saddest damn thing i’ve ever seen Smh!

When asked about Teague larry is saying “yes” but shaking his head “No”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lstyLvlt4w&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

If teague doesnt get significant burn in this series’ he’s gone after the playoffs. If I have to march up to ASG HQ, i’ll make it happen.

***************************

LOL . . that video is hilarious. Talk about body language saying something other than what your mouth is saying.

So if Hinrich is doubtful for the series, that means that Larry’s job is safe for next year. Now we have a somewhat legit excuse for not advancing past Chicago, seeing that the guy we traded for to put us past this round, got hurt.

This is either catastrophic . . or a blessing in disguise. Because until proven otherwise, the Teague – JJ – Marvin – Smith – Horford lineup is our BEST lineup statistically. No, that lineup didn’t play vs the elite of the league, but they did play well in the 5 games they mainly played together in ( Phoenix, Golden St, Denver, Portland, and Denver ).

Drew has to start Teague now. And start him out playing like Woody did Royal Ivey. But if Teague shows that he can produce, you extend his minutes without hesitation.

Here’s your chance Jeff. Prove all of your critics ( which includes myself ) wrong. If Drew plays you, you won’t ever get a better chance to prove your worth, than in these next few games. And while the excuse can definitely be said that any sort of poor play on your part is due to you not playing, you STILL have to take advantage of this.

If you don’t, you may never be the starting PG for the Atlanta Hawks . . EVER.

Seize the moment young fella.

ATLER ( ramblin wreck )

April 29th, 2011
8:57 pm

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring on Teague and I hope Kurt hurries back also. We need them both!!!!!!!!

The Game Has Changed

April 29th, 2011
8:59 pm

We just need to go with a big line up. Thats the only was Rose will be put on the blocks the entire game. That way he wont be able to start the break so fast. He will be backed in on the post. So the line up should be Joe, Marvin, Josh, Al, and Twin. Therefore you could bring Teague, Crawford, Za, and Wilkins off the bench. Go Hawks

Dept. of Unintended Irony

April 29th, 2011
9:00 pm

WindyCity Winner

April 29th, 2011
5:36 pm

“I believe that the Bulls will have a god series against the Hawks.”

Which God? Jehovah? Vishnu? Buddha? Inquiring spiritual minds want to know. Are the Bulls praying to win? Are you?

See Truth, now there’s an example of a misspelling with some irony.

drmaryb (*_-)

April 29th, 2011
9:01 pm

Dang!

Can we sign a D-Leaguer to replace Kirk? He is done for the year!
Will Pape Sy and Teague see some action. Hey, this is a golden opportunity for some one else to step up.

tyger

April 29th, 2011
9:05 pm

Najeh Davenpoop posted a nasty virus – do not click his post!

Dept. of Unintended Irony

April 29th, 2011
9:10 pm

“And stay on the shooters. They are not creatures.”

Well, if they are inanimate, they sure will be easy to guard.

The Real Mandingo

April 29th, 2011
9:16 pm

Watch Hinrich’s injury get continually upgraded prior to Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Semi’s…Now KH is considered doubtful, next he will be considered questionable, then considered probable, and then, after that, considered likely. By Game 1, KH will be ready to go at 85% (healthy) and everyone will be riding his jock calling him a gamer. What a joke.

tremaine

April 29th, 2011
9:18 pm

What up people, it’s finally time to “GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!”

tremaine

April 29th, 2011
9:28 pm

Gearon is delusional.

JASon

April 29th, 2011
9:38 pm

If Kirk Hinrich doesn’t play you might as well not even watch the bulls series.

Ant banks

April 29th, 2011
9:56 pm

Ever see Heaven can wait, with Warren Beatty? Well, when it is your time to shine God has a way of moving folks outta the way. See bledsoe/Brady or montana/young. It’s teague turn now.plain and simple. Hinrich will be ineffective the whole series. Teague will shine

James on Pharr Rd

April 29th, 2011
10:03 pm

How about we shoot for a big lineup of: JJ,MW,AH,JS & Twin? Joe plays Rose the way Pierce plays Lebron, or Kobe plays Wade…… Teague should be first off the bench for Marvin & he can switch onto Rose

Mike is back

April 29th, 2011
10:22 pm

MC, Captain Kurt will be sorely missed…it is a huge lost…I wish Kurt a speedy recovery.

As long as LD can get over his self…and understand that Teague is going look really bad at times…than all is not lost.

I have yet to understand why LD sets the bar so high for Teague…and not the entire team.

I think if LD tells Teague something simple like…don’t make foolish gambles…keep Rose in front of you…and make him work for everything he gets…Teague can handle that…Heck, Rose is performing at MVP level…its not like Kurt was going to shut him down.

LD doesn’t has to come up with some funky line-up…give the kid his chance…Teague has handle his DNPs with class…now its time to show some confidence in the young fellow.

Harpie

April 29th, 2011
10:33 pm

Well, now the Hawks may have the excuse they need; Atlanta’s teams always have an excuse of some kind for why they stink!

myhawks

April 29th, 2011
10:36 pm

First off good job my hawks i knew they could do it.. so this is a perfect matchup for us..why may you ask its really simple we have more experience..history is on our side..its been shown that experience out shines talent in the playoffs..true enough alot is going to depend on Teague doing good but we all know he has the talent and what better time to set up..i predict myHawks in 6..again..ohh I almost forgot Josh please stay in the post we really need you this series…

Ellen

April 29th, 2011
10:37 pm

I don’t want to layer on excuses for Teague if he’s unable to step up, but can you think of a worse thing to do to a young player. Never give him consistent minutes, completely bench him for much of the year, ignore him during the first round, and then hey kid we need you to guard the probable MVP.

I wouldn’t fault Teague for being unprepared and LD should have had the foresight to imagine a situation like this where Teague would be needed.

Ms.Chi-City

April 29th, 2011
10:57 pm

bulls will have a god series against the hawks? hmm i think he meant the bulls will play like gods lmao GO BULLS!

Ms.Chi-City

April 29th, 2011
10:59 pm

you are seriously stupid if u think the bulls will lose this series

Tech Man

April 29th, 2011
11:02 pm

Jeff Teague doesn’t play much because he makes poor decisions with the ball. He does not read the floor well and therefore ends up forcing the ball away from the most obvious open situation.

He has not stepped up to be the “floor general” the Hawks need him to be.

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
11:10 pm

Tech Man . . I agree. But that’s all the more reason why you play him alongside a guy like JJ, who will be the one making the decisions anyway. All Teague has to do is play a complimentary role and slash to the hole on occasion when he has the chance. And on defense, play as hard as he can.

He’s the one player that if he gets out in the open court, could really energize our fast break.

Ra'mon

April 29th, 2011
11:15 pm

Tech, when is the last time you’ve seen Kirk be the floor general of the Hawks? He even defers to Crawford to bring the ball up.

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
11:31 pm

The Memphis crowd is great tonight. That’s a college town at heart that supports the Memphis Tigers to the death, like Georgia fans may support the Bulldogs in football. But they’ve transferred all of their energy to the Grizzlies. This is nice to see for a franchise that many people want to fold, because of their economic issues.

Their defense is incredible tonight, with only Tony Parker saving them with his shot making.

And WOW . . Zebo is a KILLER. If only Horford or Smith had a low post/midrange game like Zach, we’d be set to take the East.

Damn . . looks like I may have to do a Saturday in Memphis, and a Sunday in Atlanta next weekend.

cp

April 29th, 2011
11:31 pm

Good post from a lot of people on here. The Hinrich injury is the reason why so many on here have said you have to develop your young pg. His pt has been up and down all year now he will be asked to defend the mvp of the league. I doubt LD has any confidence in him but hopefully his teammates do and more imporantingly he has confidence in himself. He cant put his head down if he makes a mistake. Its his chance to shine hopefully he steps up.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2011
11:32 pm

“I wouldn’t fault Teague for being unprepared and LD should have had the foresight to imagine a situation like this where Teague would be needed.” – Ellen

Seriously, the Hawks tanked the regular season anyway. Why not play Teague? Las Vegas Larry has a personal problem with Jeff Teague and does not want to see him succeed. He has set him up for failure at every opportunity.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2011
11:34 pm

“you are seriously stupid if u think the bulls will lose this series”

I’m seriously stupid in six games.

Harpie

April 29th, 2011
11:34 pm

Ellen – you’re right…

cp

April 29th, 2011
11:34 pm

Damn, Z-Bo putting in work

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
11:35 pm

WOW @ ZACH . . . KILLING THEM. Creating his own shot and making extremely difficult shots.

Harry Hawk

April 29th, 2011
11:41 pm

The Hawks aren’t going to get any better than this. That’s why I can’t get excited about anything this team does. They are a second-round out. That is their role. That is what they do best.

Buddy Grizzard

April 29th, 2011
11:43 pm

Imagine this Memphis team next year with a healthy Rudy Gay.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

April 29th, 2011
11:48 pm

Larry Drew maybe slighting Teague and giving him the Woody treatment because he wants to keep the “point guard of the future” spot open for his son LD 2.
What a subtle ploy if it is true – I won’t put anything past this sick genius.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 29th, 2011
11:48 pm

I say start Teague-Joe-Marvin-Smoove-Al

Jamal/Damien/Zaza/Collins off the bench

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
11:53 pm

Wow @Josh creating his own shot and missing extremely easy shots..

terrell

April 29th, 2011
11:56 pm

“Would they be hopeless without Hinrich”? Not if LD woulda played Tague in the reg season. And I mean signifigant min, not garbage min. Too late now. And man, I wish we had ZBo. Just beastin inside. Hope Josh was watching that game.

tom

April 30th, 2011
12:00 am

this just sux. hinrich makes a key basket at 3:06 to put the hawks up by 4 and gets hurt in the process. hopefully teague is up to the challenge now.

Mike is back

April 30th, 2011
12:02 am

You gotta love POP’s post game comments…he’s a class guy.

BILLY KNIGHT

April 30th, 2011
12:03 am

Teague time now have arrive, LD just can’t put pressure on him just let him go with the flow, teague starting will give this team a boost of energy and along with his defense.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
12:03 am

“Najeh Davenpoop posted a nasty virus – do not click his post!”

Huh? I only linked to BlackSportsOnline and Youtube. Didn’t get any viruses on my computer.

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
12:07 am

““Najeh Davenpoop posted a nasty virus – do not click his post!”

Huh? I only linked to BlackSportsOnline and Youtube. Didn’t get any viruses on my computer.”

Maybe he’s running windows 98? LOL

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
12:07 am

Z-Bo was a beast in that 4th quarter. He has come a long way from this.

BILLY KNIGHT

April 30th, 2011
12:09 am

terrell it’s not to late now is the time for teague to play ball, but LD have to let teague play ball and have fun, look teague is your only defender on this team that can atleast come close to containing rose with his quickness so LD have to understand that and be more patient as a coach.

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
12:13 am

Zbo has stuff you cant teach.he can finish under pressure with distance.Its a gift Josh will never have..Josh gift was a crazy vertical but never learned proper fundamentals…….He can watch all he wants..He needs to stop trying to be the man when he aint the man… comprende??

Mike is back

April 30th, 2011
12:14 am

EVEN BETTER POST GAME COMMENTS…FROM LHollins…its refreshing to hear coaches that get it…we can only hope that LD is watching these two class coach.

Adam

April 30th, 2011
12:18 am

Teague vs Rose? Really? What’s plan C?

Jae Evolution

April 30th, 2011
12:21 am

Wow watching that video on B&B, reminds me a lot of Josh Smith, even he can mature with either a new situation or new coaching. One of the two has to happen.

The Real Mandingo

April 30th, 2011
12:22 am

The Hawks need a coach like Lionel Hollins. I think Lionel Hollins would coach circles around Larry Drew in a playoff series. A coach can be outcoached and still win a playoff series. I hate dissin’ LD but I’m just callin’ it like I see it.

Tomahawk

April 30th, 2011
12:28 am

Please hurry and get well Kirk…we will need you! If Josh Smith plays with his heart and his head he can be the difference maker! Go Hawks!

moboman

April 30th, 2011
12:48 am

Teague was the wrong guy for the Orlando series, but the right guy for this one. Time for him to show he has the co-jones to play in this league. Even though he hasnt shown me he has the PG mentality to start in the NBA, he is the option we have to go to. LD wont leave him on the bench vs the bulls. step up young man!

Buddy Grizzard

April 30th, 2011
12:55 am

“…he wants to keep the “point guard of the future” spot open for his son LD 2.”

How monumentally delusional would he have to be, given the fact that LD2 is not remotely an NBA prospect. But I wouldn’t put it past him. Look at LD2’s birthday rap after he quit on UNC in the midst of their run to a regular season ACC championship. Look at his younger brother getting kicked off his HS team because of Sharon Drew. MASSIVE entitlement issues, that family.

In lighter news, LD2 quitting on UNC is probably the best thing that could have happened to Harrison Barnes. After LD2 left, he quickly leaped back into the top 3 on all the draft boards.

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
1:15 am

Just let Teague play

FIRE LD

roy

April 30th, 2011
1:23 am

Jeff teauge should start why mess with jamal who is playin well as a combo off of the bench

The Real Mandingo

April 30th, 2011
1:40 am

If the Hawks elect to go with Jeff Teague as their point guard in the future, his development process will be long and painful. JT will probably never be as good as Mike Conley, Jr. (MC Jr.) and I think MC Jr. is a below average starting point guard in the NBA who makes silly turnovers and misses clutch shots and free throws down the stretch.

Buddy Grizzard

April 30th, 2011
1:50 am

JT will probably never be as good as Mike Conley, Jr. – Mandingo

Teague is a pretty one dimensional player, but that one dimension, baseline-to-baseline speed and defense, is exactly what the Hawks need. We don’t need a traditional point guard. JJ brings the ball up and leads the team in assists. Teague can’t shoot but we have plenty of shooters. We just need somebody who can stay in front of drose.

Worldwide Clyde

April 30th, 2011
2:16 am

I thought the Hawks learned their lesson when Speedy Claxton broke down on them.

TheAntiMe

April 30th, 2011
2:43 am

I’m not writing the Hawks off yet. If I’m not mistaken, the game that the Hawks won during the regular season against the Bulls was before Kirk Hinrich was even a member of the Hawks. And it certainly wasn’t Mike Bibby that stopped Derrick Rose.

The Real Mandingo

April 30th, 2011
2:50 am

To: Buddy Grizzard

Is it remotely possible for the Hawks to wheel and deal and get somebody like Kemba Walker or is that too far-fetched?

You guys on this blog are the best ATL Hawks fans in the world and I ain’t just kissin’ butt either. I really mean it. I wish I lived in the ATL area but, unfortunately, I’m stuck out here in Texas!

vava74

April 30th, 2011
3:21 am

Regardless of what will be Teague’s production in this series A REAL COACH would come publicly state NOW LOUD AND CLEAR that if Hinrich can’t play or is limited HE TRUSTED TEAGUE.

A REAL HC facing the possibility of not having a certain designated player MUST GIVE public confidence to the guy who is likely called to pick up the slack.

He should have said: WE HAD TEAGUE START FOR US AGAINST QUALITY PGs AND HE DID A GOOD JOB. I TRUST HIM TO STEP UP HIS GAME IF WE CAN’T USE HINRICH.

Instead, this sorry *ss excuse of a coach comes publicly say that he is not making any plans until he knows if he can use Hinrich or not, as if starting Teague was like starting a race with a donut tire.

What an idiot. Is that the way you instill confidence in a young player?

As for Rose, he shot horribly against IND.

We need to working him hard and physical AND limit the shooting of the other guys:

Deng’s 3 point shooting in this year’s playoffs: 1.8/4.4 40.9%

Korver’s 3 point shooting in this year’s playoffs: 2.0/3.4 58.8%

Bogan’s 3 point shooting in this year’s playoffs: 1.8/3.6 50.0%

That’s 17 points per game in 3 pointers on close to 50% shooting.

If we leave these guys open, they will stitch us with their outside shots.

The worst possible defensive strategy is to over react to a single player.

Use every single body available on him, be physical. That includes Pape Sy who is long and quick and can give 6 hard fouls.

Make him bleed and step on his ankle.

Look how the Spurs used to win championships: Bowen was a dirty defender, kicking ankles, stepping on feet, etc…

Big Daddy

April 30th, 2011
3:47 am

I have said over and over again, as have others, about what happens if the point goes down just before or during the playoffs. If LD didn’t give Teague a chance to get some games under his belt before this, I don’t see him making the change now. He will probably have Joe start at point and Damien at the 2 spot with Damien taking the defensive assignment on Rose and Joe running the offense.

LD will probably use the same offense he did with Orlando only switching the focus point from Center to Point. Run Damien, Jamal and some Teague at D. Rose and concentrate on stopping Deng and Boozer. Noah is not that big a scoring threat. I will be very surprised if he starts Teague. He had his opportunity to do so all season and didn’t and I don’t see him doing that now. The only thing that may change is if JT comes in like a house on fire and the team gets in an uptempo game. That is JT’s strong point.

Buddy Grizzard

April 30th, 2011
3:58 am

“Is it remotely possible for the Hawks to wheel and deal and get somebody like Kemba Walker or is that too far-fetched?” – The Real Mandingo

It’s funny you mention Kemba Walker because I was watching him all season on nbadraft.net’s mock draft. He was actually sitting in the Hawks’ draft position for most of the season before he caught fire in the postseason and started moving up. He’s undersized and scouts probably looked at him as a Nate Robinson type, but nobody knew he was that good until he did his thing on the big stage.

There will actually be some teams trying to trade out of this weak draft. The Clippers already dumped their pick to get Cleveland to absorb Baron Davis’ contract. They felt like they were young enough. But unfortunately the Hawks don’t have alot of trade assets. Teague is actually the most trade-able asset we have, being on a rookie scale contract and having shown flashes.

Beyond that we have Josh and All Star Al signed to value contracts and JC1, Marv, Joe and Kirk are all overpaid relative to their production. There’s alot of speculation that Smoove could be the one to go, but we’d have to get alot back to make it worth it.

Buddy Grizzard

April 30th, 2011
4:02 am

“A REAL COACH would come publicly state NOW LOUD AND CLEAR that if Hinrich can’t play or is limited HE TRUSTED TEAGUE.” – Vava74

Excellent call. If LD doesn’t give Teague a vote of confidence, it will just show once and for all that this is a personal issue for LD that he doesn’t have the professionalism to overcome and set aside.

Ole Hawks Fan

April 30th, 2011
4:02 am

JC1 is NOT…………i.e NOT a PG. He is a SHOOTING GUARD and will Woody Light ever see this. Rose burned JC1 and Capt Kirk when they were trying to guard him. He is too quick for both of those players. If JC1 plays @ the PG…………………it will be a Blow Out in The Bulls favor and a short series. I’ve been saying this all season since I first saw JC1 playing at the point.

Buddy Grizzard

April 30th, 2011
4:21 am

Sam Smith thinks Hawks go big against CHI, points out Collins started the only game ATL won against CHI:

http://blogs.bulls.com/2011/04/bulls-get-atlanta-in-second-round/

Buddy Grizzard

April 30th, 2011
4:27 am

“The Bulls used to have some problems defending Smith. But under new coach Larry Drew he’s much less in control and doesn’t play as much defense and try to get the team in transition, which is when the athletic Hawks are best.”

- Sam Smith

Buddy Grizzard

April 30th, 2011
4:46 am

“JC1 is NOT…………i.e NOT a PG.” – OHF

Jamal is actually a decent passer. The problem is, if you go to NBA.com and look at Game 6 highlights, those two layups Jameer scored were helped by JC1’s defensive indifference. The first one he didn’t even try to stay in front of Jameer. On the second consecutive layup, JC1 shoots in the lane and stands there to see if it goes in. When Jameer goes racing down the other way, JC1 picks up Arenas and leaves Marvin to try to stop a full speed Jameer forray to the basket. JC1 doesn’t even try on defense… he’s indifferent.

vava74

April 30th, 2011
5:02 am

Just saw bit and pieces and most of the 4th quarter of the MEM-SA match up last night.

Randolph was on fire to close the game. He hit shots which were at a collective clutch and difficulty level that I only remember seeing MJ putting together on a stage like this (maybe Lebron’s 4th quarter against the Pistons a few years ago matched this as well, but the defense on him was not this tight).

Both Duncan and McDyess were all over him, trapping, moving their feet, hands all over and he managed to swish step back jumpers, get out of the traps driving around them and getting off-balance shots to hit nothing like net.

I was also wondering if MEM would be this successful with Gay since his presence would have certainly taken the ball out of Randolph’s hands and he destroyed the Spurs all series long.

Also, Gay’s presence (who’s D is sub par) would have probably diminished Battier’s minutes, so this is one of the most intriguing “what ifs” around.

O'Brien

April 30th, 2011
6:17 am

Vava,

If gay was healthy, Memphis might not have traded for battier. And I have not been impressed by Gay. He seems like a volume shooter who plays little defense

O'Brien

April 30th, 2011
6:24 am

Kirk played well against Orlando, and he will be Moises against rose.

However, I’ve been saying it all year from when bibby was here. LD should have been playing teague consistent minutes (even if it was only 12 MPG) because u never know when injuries might happen.

Even when bibby was struggling, LD refused to give teague consistent minutes, and would go with Jamal at PG even though the results were not there.

And after the trade, teague played well enough to get consistent backup minutes, but once again, LD hardly played him, despite publicly praising him.

That bulls game where rose torched Jamal and LD didn’t play teague was inexcusable, because that might have helped teague confidence this series.

That being said, I hope teague accept the challenge and play well.

Get Real

April 30th, 2011
7:00 am

I’d wager that when all is said and done, Teague will average less than 22 minutes per game in this series.

vava74

April 30th, 2011
7:18 am

OB,

You are probably right on that one (Gay-Battier).

And probably they would not have won the series against SAS.

Geemack

April 30th, 2011
8:12 am

Why is it that the Bulls have jumped the Hawks in expectation?

The Hawks are just as talented if not more talented.

The Hawks should be able to win this series in 6 even without Hinrich.

The only difference between the team is the Bulls respect the game more and play to their strength.

The Hawks consistently to their weaknesses, jump shot, half court offense, and lazy defense.

This is not Miami or Boston, this is Chicago, less playoff experience, and a team with the same talent level. The intangibles will win this series.

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
8:21 am

LD something is not quite right about you???? You may need to seek some help??

You are starting to remind me of Billy Knight…..And that’s not a compliment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
8:22 am

Josh for Rudy Gay, make it so………….

ILL-Logical

April 30th, 2011
8:25 am

Enter your comments here

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
8:28 am

Hawks are very talented.but their coach is not..

…

He’s been blown out three times already,but I expect the Hawks to get it done in 5 or 6 anyway in spite of Larry!!!!!

The Game Has Changed

April 30th, 2011
8:45 am

@SteveW-Wow,how can you say we will be a 7 seed next year. Well some people said we would be the 8th seed this year. We didnt even play up to our ability and we still finished 5th easily. The Bucks, Knicks, 76ers, Pacers, and Bobcats were all predicted to finish higher than us this year. Where are all those teams now? At home or fishing. Drew has done an ok job this year and will only get better. When we win this round I know you will still find a reason to put him down. But thats cool with us.

The Game Has Changed

April 30th, 2011
8:47 am

Slimjr-Man you sound so comical. I dont understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying the coach doesnt make a difference and that the Hawks can win it without a coach? Wow.

Wink

April 30th, 2011
9:15 am

Let me state the obvious. Rose is the concensus MVP of the league. All the league opposing point guards, the quick ones, the tall ones, the completely healty ones, and the defensive minded ones have not been able to stop Derrick Rose. Rose has been taking BIGS to the rim.

Now that being said, how can anyone think that Hinrich can stop Rose, especially if he is not completely healed and comes back 80-85%. Teague is quick, may actually have confidence in his ability to stay in front of Rose,howvever, he will not be able to contain him. LD want give him the minutes & his limited shooting ability & handle makes him a liability on the offensive end as well.

For the Hawks to have a chance against Rose, either get the ball out of his hands or see if his team can win with him scoring 50 – 60 points.

Grand Dad suggested using a Triangle & Two. Maybe a Box & One. LD should dedicate the first game to this stategy. Give Teague the minutes and play him as a STARTER the entire game. Sub in Damien Wilkins to play Rose while Teaugue rests. These two player should be dedicated to Rose. Why? You have 12 fouls to use, Teague is the quickest & Damien is the best defender, and what do you have to lose, LD does not play them anyway.

Lastly, keep Twin in the lineup to wear down Noah, by the 4th quarter. Reduce his opportunities for 2nd chance rebounds, as they are not running plays for him on the offensive end. Also, gives 6 more fouls to use in the lane, when Rose beats his man. Twin should lay him down on the court EARLY & OFTEN!!!

We would still have Horford, JJ, Jamal, Josh for scoring along with whatever Marvin decides he wants to contribute.

Hinrich will not be available, so he’s no answer. Try this DEFENSE as a Game One experiment. Hey it’s game one of the 2ND round and no one is giving you a chance against the Bulls. “You can’t lose the series after just one game!” Just learn the lesson the game teaches you, win or lose!!

The end result is the Bulls did what they were suppose to do win on their home court,

Wink

April 30th, 2011
9:23 am

Just TRY something different for ONE GAME LD!!!

Beating Orlando has given you the security with ASG to continue your contract next year. (I think we need a new coach, but it what it is ASG world.)

Just think if you could upset the Bulls this ASG group will give you a MAX contract.

Just Try LD!

Ms.Chi-City

April 30th, 2011
9:38 am

the pacers tried to make it tough for the bulls and keep the ball out derrick roses’ hand …and I know you know that they are going to be watching this game from their own houses because they couldn’t make it happen….Orlando was weak you got lucky and you wont win against the bulls …dream on …SEE RED!

The Real Mandingo

April 30th, 2011
9:42 am

To: Buddy Grizzard

Thanks for the response regarding Kemba Walker.

I would be more comfortable with Jeff Teague if the shot form and release on his perimeter jumper was more traditional and orthodox. In my opinion, JT has an unusual (abnormal) release on his jump shot. JT and the Hawks should have worked more to improve his perimeter game last offseason. I think, if Teague shot a field goal percentage of 44%+ from 15ft. and beyond, Coach LD would have a lot of confidence in JT. By the same token, JT would play an overall better and smarter game if he shot well from the perimeter. There’s nothing like hitting a couple of outside jumpers to loosen up a point guard and get percolating.

Justin

April 30th, 2011
9:45 am

Here are a few Player Efficiency Ratings to compare:

Mike Conley-15.9
Jameer Nelson- 15.47
Jeff Teague- 14.62
Jamal Crawford- 14.29
Marvin Williams- 13.51
Mike Bibby- 10.93

PER doesn’t reflect defense as much as offense.
Jeff Teague ranks 18th in the NBA in steals per minute and 53rd in the NBA in blocks per minute. He has the highest steal rate and the 3rd highest block rate on the Hawks (behind Al and Josh).

And remember the last time that Kirk started against Chicago, they scored like 85 points in the first quarter. He has not shown that he can slow down Rose, so why is everyone acting like the series was riding on him?

Having said that, if Drew plays Jamal and JJ on Rose instead of giving Teague a shot, we’re looking at a 4 game series. So if we’re factoring in Drew’s stubborn refusal to play Teague, then yeah Kirk’s injury is probably a season ending one for him and the Hawks.

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
9:56 am

ASG is happy right now:

We went to game 6 vs. Orlando. That’s extra revenue for them.

With Hinrich hurt, they will pull the injury excuse if [we most likely] lose, and then they will bring back THE SAME ROSTER next year

*yawn*

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
10:10 am

And you can hate all you want on this statement, but it is true. They always mention injuries. Go back to the Cleveland series 2 years ago, and the FIRST THING they say will be we had players hurt

J from the A

April 30th, 2011
10:16 am

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
11:31 pm

“And WOW . . Zebo is a KILLER. If only Horford or Smith had a low post/midrange game like Zach, we’d be set to take the East.”

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I was watching the game (on my TV of course!). I haven’t had a chance to watch Zach that much this year and didn’t realize he was that good. (I knew he was good, but if last night’s performance is any indication of how he consistently performs, then Zach > J-Smoove.) Also I saw Arthur really show some athleticism around the rim, too and was impressed.

“Damn . . looks like I may have to do a Saturday in Memphis, and a Sunday in Atlanta next weekend.”

Sounds like a nice problem to have. After the Memphis game last night, I was talking to my wife, and I think if we had the financial means, we would be doing the same. (Unfortunately for us, it looks like I am not going to have work for at least two months this summer, so I probably won’t be able to catch another Hawks’ game live. This makes me sad.)

Gamer

April 30th, 2011
10:31 am

LIKE THE BOSTON TEA PARTY REVOLUTIONIZED WORLD HISTORY; IT IS TEAGUE TIME/TEA TIME TO REVOLUTIONIZE THE HAWKS’ BACK-COURT WITH HIS BLAZING SPEED….

TEAGUE, IT IS TIME FOR YOUR CONFIDENCE TO SOAR, UTILIZE YOUR GOD-GIVEN TALENT…..

YOUR TEAM-MATES AND THE HAWKS FAN-BASE NEED YOU TO STEP IN FOR HINRICH AND STEP UP FOR THE HAWKS AGAINST D. ROSE..

DON’T BE INTIMIDATED BY D. ROSE GAME BECAUSE HE PRACTICE HARD ENOUGH TO BE A GREAT PLAYER…..

GREATNESS IS NOT ACCIDENTAL HAPPENINGS…IT IS GOD-GIVEN TALENT MET WITH THE RECIPIENT’S PREPARATIONS…YOU MUST PREPARE FOR GREATNESS…FILM-STUDY, TEAM’S PRACTICES BY BEING A STUDENT OF THE GAME WHO’S CORRIGIBLE…

TEAGUE YOU’RE ABOUT TO BE THROWN INTO THE FIRE(NBA POSTSEASON)…2ND ROUND WITH NATIONAL COVERAGE AGAINST D. ROSE….WHO IS PROBABLY NBA’S BEST POINT GUARD SINCE WHO??

I CAN’T THINK OF A POINT GUARD IN NBA’S HISTORY BETTER THAN D. ROSE…PLENTY OF NAMES SURFACE BUT SIZZLE-OUT WHEN COMPARED TO D. ROSE….NAMES LIKE GUS WILLIAMS, TINY NATE ARCHIBALD, ISAIAH THOMAS, MARK PRICE, KEVIN JOHNSON, WALT FRAZIER, EARL THE PEARL MONROE, CALVIN MURPHY, PHIL FORD,,PISTOL PETE MARAVICH AND THE BIG ‘O’ OSCAR ROBERTSON…AS GREAT AS THESE PLAYERS WERE NONE CAN HOLD A CANDLE NEXT TO D. ROSE WITHOUT PREPAREDNESS…

GAME PREPARATIONS WITH ELITE CONFIDENCE IS WHAT SEPARATE YOU FROM D. ROSE ELITENESS…..

YOU GOT THE WHEREWITHAL TO GET THE JOB DONE!!!!!!

MAN-UP, STEP UP TO THE TASK…..PUSH ROSE TO HIS LIMITS AND BEYOND BY BECOMING A FULL PLEDGE STUDENT OF THE GAME UTILIZING YOUR BLAZING SPEED TO MAKE PLAYS FOR YOUR TEAM-MATES!!!

2011 NBA POST-SEASON, IT’S NBA BIG STAGE FOR NBA PLAYERS TO SHOWCASE THEIR GAME….MAKE YOUR NAME A HOUSEHOLD NAME WITH NBA WATCHERS…..

TEA-GUE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve

April 30th, 2011
10:38 am

I say put Eton Thomas on him. Rose will start laughing so hysterically he won’t be able to drive.

NUNNA!!

April 30th, 2011
10:39 am

Tyger,i to clicked onto the virus from the post under the name of Najeh but to be honest i don’t believe he would do anything like that.U know u can put whatever name u want under here..I bet u or i would be blamed for the next one because they could put our name on here next after they read our comments lol..

Ra’mon,I have been preaching that since he got here..Some of these unknown names who come on this blog are talking like Kirk(who i do agree is an upgrade over bibby)is a freaking shutdown PG..Plus,to his defense i have not seen him as a floor general because he always defers the ball to Crawford and Al,Smoove,Joe,Marvin almost always start the fast break themselves and never harldy let the guy set up the play on the other end..Floor General???? Give me a break..

And Tech Guy,
U don’t know what u are talking about. What u and others are missing is that this guy is better than u think he is..
1st,he is a team ball player.The hawks are a “and 1″ team that plays unorganized basketball. All LD did was give them the orders of playing the 3 point shooters tough on defense and let howard do his thing but foul him hard to make him earn it at the free throw line..THATS IT!!

Taking all these outside shots and not attacking the rim as soon as Howard went out and having a power forward jacking up 3’s and never getting the ball to your supposed floor general kirk hinrich is what nba scouts and coaches see..
This team got by Orlando because in spite of the coaching and should have won it in a sweep…

Teague made a comment that he played alongside Kirk better than he did with anyone else on the team when he is on the floor.He stated they both attacked and had each others back with help defense and they knew where the other one was at all time..And wasn’t the issue of “help defense” the main thing that Josh brought up to Cheryl MIller on TNT in a game earlier this year?

So,its not an issue to me if he can play or not. He has been a turnover machine this year..He scores,he gets the ball to open players..And if Jamaal and Joe can get in position and get open instead of trying to play the point when Teague is in the game they will score a lot more

Gamer

April 30th, 2011
10:43 am

OH BY THE WAY, HAWKS’ BRASS NEED TO WOO DWIGHT HOWARD TO FINISH HIS CAREER WITH THE ATLANTA HAWKS…

IMAGINE, SUPERMAN PLAYING ALONG SIDE JJ, JAMAL, AL, J-SMOOVE, TEAGUE AND HINRICH…. THE HAWKS WILL BE A JUGGERNAUT TEAM….CHAMPIONSHIP PICKS EVERY YEAR….

IF MR. BLANK OWN THE HAWKS, HE WOULD FIND A WAY TO GET DWIGHT HOWARD TO RETURN HOME…..MR. BLANK IS A WINNER…..

The Game Has Changed

April 30th, 2011
10:46 am

@Wordlwide Clyde- I think we need to change the whole entire game plan and go on the attack. I say start PG-Joe SG-Marvin SF-Smoove PF-Horford C-Collins. We need to keep Rose occupied on the other end of the court. Make him play some D on Joe or Marvin. They can both shoot over him or either post him up. Posting would be better. That way he would only be able to start the break underneath our basket on a rebound. This would also put him in foul trouble.

The Game Has Changed

April 30th, 2011
10:57 am

@Gamer-You ever heard of a guy by the name of Ervin “Magic” Johnson. 6-8 230 lbs. 5 nba rings. Walking Triple Double,Showtime, Laker Breakers. Any of those names ring a bell?

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
11:07 am

Great job NOT developing Teague and NOT preparing him for the Playoffs. Woody was let go partially because he didn’t play Teague
SMDH

FIRE LD

Kapoonka

April 30th, 2011
11:15 am

I predict the Bulls will win in 5 games, and I also see at least one 40 point blowout for the Bulls of course. You just never know what you get with the Hawks. The Bulls represent the true definition of a “team”. The starters are too skilled, and the bench is too deep for the Hawks. Perhaps the Hawks can view this year as a stepping stone for next season. i’m glad they beat Orlando, but they are not quite ready for a team the caliber of the Bullys.

The Game Has Changed

April 30th, 2011
11:26 am

@KIapoonka-You gonna eat those words bro. Thats the same thing they said before the start of the first round. Its not too late to get on the bandwagon.

Sleepy

April 30th, 2011
11:34 am

Some of of these comments are just plain crazy.

Rose scores on everyone thats why he is going to be the league MVP

The people claiming Jeff teague is the answer to anything are the same fools who claimed we get swept if we didnt play him in the first round .

The only way we stand a chance in this series is if our 4 best players (Joe ,Jamal,Al,Josh) actually play like they are our 4 best players .teague is so far down the list of essentials just as Hinrich wouldve been .

OMG I cant believe that some of you have convinced yourselves that Hinrich was gonna shut down Rose. Seriously thats just as stupid as the writers saying how we will only win one game.

No one is gonna stop Rose and the quicker we accept that the better off we will be however we play them like we used to play the old heat when they just had D-Wade .

ZONE when Korver is not in the game

traps

double teams

LATE IN THE CLOCK DOUBLE TEAMS .when the clock gets to ten seconds and Rose is at the top of the key you send a double from whoever is guarding Bogans,Brewer .

START ZAZA because its important that we take a hard foul early and often and neither Al nor Josh is gonna do it

Youve got to make Rose work defensively hes not the greatest defensive player and while he will have fresh legs in game one after 3-4 games of taking a pounding on the offensive end while having to chase people around screens for 40+ minute a night it will take its toll.

Teague pretty much ensures that the Bulls can double team anytime they want now.

Kirk was shooting the ball so well against the magic that they couldnt leave him and they basically cheated off Josh because he was standing at the three point line most of the time and dared Josh to beat him with the three .

Now with Teague in they dont have to worry about Josh or Teague from the perimeter .

.

cp

April 30th, 2011
11:56 am

I dont see anyone saying Teague is the answer to anything. I see people saying his speed might give him a chance to stay in front of Rose. Everytime Teague is brought up you seem to go the extreme of what people are actually saying.

jhan

April 30th, 2011
12:08 pm

Can’t say the Hawks won despite of their coach. If you listened to the time-out huddles with LD he was saying exactly the right things – swing the ball & attack the rim. The Hawks continued to play ISO with JJ/Jamal & Josh continued to take 3’s. Maybe LD doesn’t have a commanding personality or maybe the players today know they can do what they want. When you make 10X more money than your boss I guess you don’t really have to listen.

Sleepy

April 30th, 2011
12:11 pm

Rose is strong and fast and speed means nothing if it disrupts everything else.

Ole Hawks Fan

April 30th, 2011
12:40 pm

Rose is the “Best PG to play in the nba”? Has he won any rings in nba and college. Didn’t he choke in the NCAA while playing at Memphis? Missing free throws that would move Memphis on?

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
12:46 pm

Well, if Teague gets serious burn in this series (great job LD for NOT developing him at all), he should have some fresh legs. Dude never plays.

LOL @ The Game Has Changed claiming we can tire out Rose by making him play D on Marvin.

An injured Helen Keller could shut down Marvin defensively. What makes you think Derrick Rose would have to “try” defending him?

This is the same guy who got stripped by Jameer on the 2 postups he had on Nelson in the Orlando series

NUNNA!!

April 30th, 2011
1:14 pm

MC,tell us something,school us..
Not by past blogs that had LD’s qoutes about Teague,but from your own..
From what u seen in practice,and from being at games because i have been at neither:

1.What are Teagues Pro’s and Cons versus the Bulls?

2.What is it u see in him in practice that we(on this blog) don’t know?
I asked the 2nd question because most of the time(when a player is released or traded from a team) the coaches,sports writers who cover the team,play by play and color commentators from the team all chide in about the persons attitude,why he seemed to be in a dog house,why he was not playing,and what the team mates thought of him after the player is gone..

Don’t wait,just tell us now..He is this,he is that,he is never focused,he is always late for practice,players don’t like him,or something..Just tell us now…What is it that u know that we don’t..

NUNNA!!

April 30th, 2011
1:15 pm

My bad grammer,i meant to end that with a question mark.Sorry

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
1:17 pm

The people that keep advocating that Jason Collins should start, forget that Noah KILLED that dude on the boards in the time he was in the game in the 1st Chicago game. He offered absolutely no resistance to Noah and didn’t slow him down one bit. We immediately fell behind double-digits in that first game, due to everybody, including Collins, playing like crap.

It was Al Horford, and his work on the offensive boards that saved us in that 1st game, along with his great shotmaking in the 2nd half.

In the 2nd game vs the Bulls, we actually had the lead at halftime, before coming out extremely flat to start the 3rd, thus, leading to the blowout.

In game 3, we started the downward slide as soon as the bench started to come in, and the starters could never regain control of the game. Then it got completely out of control as the game progressed.

Jason Collins was NOT a factor in the Game 1 win. And if he’s not guarding a center that looks for his offense, he becomes a detriment in a game, due to his inability to defensively rebound the basketball, and his inability to challenge shots in the paint, and his inability to score offensively.

Just like this may be the series for Teague and Damien, this is NOT the series for Jason Collins. The Bulls are a fast, athletic, defensively aggressive team. The last thing we need on the court is a slow, inactive big man on the floor.

Honestly, Hilton Armstrong should play before Jason Collins in this series.

Worldwide Clyde

April 30th, 2011
1:26 pm

@The Game Has Changed that’s the way I probably think LD is going to go. If Marvin or JJ can draw some fouls on Rose and get him out of the game we will be alright. Can’t settle for jump shots though.

Worldwide Clyde

April 30th, 2011
1:28 pm

JJ – pg
Marvin – sg
Smoove – sf
Horford – pf
Collins – c

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
1:34 pm

Some hope for the Hawks:

1) Boozer is hurt, and has been playing terrible except for one game vs. the Pacers.

You talk about a bad long term contract.

2) The series is set up play one, off one, play one, off one. The Hawks seemed to do stellar with schedule during the season.

And I don’t won’t to hear anything about injures. DRose had his ankle in a walking boot the day before game 5 with the Pacers. It the Hawks use the ol’ injury excuse, shame on them!

Remember JJ, your the one that said “No Excuses”!

NUNNA!!

April 30th, 2011
1:42 pm

Booyah Northcyde!!

On the collins reference and especially the Hilton Armstrong reference as well.

Armstrong and Magnum,and Etan can fit well into the run and gun game against the Bulls.

But with Joe and Jamaal playing the point against that team is a joke.All they need to worry about doing is getting open for a true PG to give them the ball..

One more thing.
I hope josh works on his ball handling skills and his inside game as well because for a big lineup,i’d love to see him at the point..Yes I Said It!! Point Guard!!

Great vision..Finds open players..Slow wind up on jump shots..If we were in a blow out or in the final 2 minutes of a qtr i’d try it out..

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
1:43 pm

If LD just hates Teague, and refuses to play him, I would probably tinker with this lineup:

PG – JJ
SG – Wilkens
SF – Marvin
PF – Josh
C – Al

You’ve still got Jamal and ZaZa as your 2 primary backups.

The rest of the bench: Teague, Collins, Hilton, Etan, and Powell. Use as needed.

Vava74 – LD pathologically hates Teague. He will not set him up to succeed, only to fail.

And if Teague came out in game 1 and went toe to toe with DRose, it wouldn’t matter. Teague would be back on the bench in no time flat. It’s irrational from our perspective, so we need to quit being rational about the situation. LD hates Teague, end of story.

And maybe LD2 is part of the equation, IDK.

I don’t think we need to go big versus the Bulls.

vava74

April 30th, 2011
1:49 pm

jhan

April 30th, 2011
12:08 pm

To have a commanding voice you need to really instill accountability.

LD does the opposite: when players disobeyed him – for instance Smoove – instead of benching him and make him accountable for not doing what he is supposed to do, he didn’t and said PUBLICLY that he had to “live with it”.

So, with that example, what “command” can you expect from him? Nothing.

This team almost doesn’t have an HC. They have a guy who more or less checks who’s tired and who has fouls and makes substitutions in accordance to that.

Not in accordance to production.

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
1:57 pm

This whole series is about RAPID adjustments

If Deng destroys Marvin, immediately put Damien in. Same for if Vice Versa happens

I maybe would start ZaZa. The guy needs to play at least 25 minutes a game in this series.

I maintain my belief that Chicago has severely overachieved this year.

We gotta play physical ball AND NOT LET ANY LAYUPS. WTF was with Jameer at the end of that game 6?

ejh

April 30th, 2011
2:00 pm

I also said on the last blog that Joe should get minutes at the point. If he and marvin can trap rose and obscure his sight line for passes because of their size you can beat this team, because he is their only ball handler and facilitaor, it is like cutting off the head of the snake the rest of the body just flails around. The other thing is the Hawks are not going to stop him from scoring, but if they can hold him to 22 points or less with 6 assists or less, you are going to beat this team. Because it means the rest of the team is going to have to score at least 65 points to win, thats if the hawks can average about 90 points/game. Against Noah we are going to need Zsa Zsa, Hilton, and Etan Thomas, and maybe josh powell, those guys are quicker than collins, and would be able tor run the floor to keep up with noah.

On the teague issue, I think he starts, because I do not think LD wants to disrupt his bench rotation. So Teague probabley plays 15 to 20 minutes per game. His job is going to be to pick DRose up full court and make him work, to try and tire him a little, and to try and deny him the ball, the hawks will cause the bulls some matchup problems, it going to be whether they take advantage of them; Hawks in (6). They will split the first two in chicago, split at home, when game 5 in chicago, and game 6 at home.

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
2:15 pm

Collins and Teague’s statlines don’t reflect their value because of their defense.

Josh’s statline over inflates his contributions, because I don’t know how taking minutes off to sulk and complain (more than Kobe etc.) shows up in stats. And he also can be the biggest momentum shifter in the league, with a bad pass or an ill advised jumpshot.

Stats mean something, but they don’t mean everything.

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
2:19 pm

Not to say that Josh doesn’t have outstanding talent, but man he frustrates me sometimes. More than Al, JJ, or Jamal. They all frustrate me by their play sometimes. Josh just more so. I don’t see another player quite like Josh on a consistent basis on any other team in the League.

If we could just get Josh to focus on his positives, the guy would really be a very good player.

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
2:23 pm

But we can beat Chicago, with or without Hinrich. All depends on LD.

We got 8 who can run with the Bulls in:

JJ
Jamal
Al
Josh
ZaZa
Wilkens
Teague
Marvin

We just have to use the pieces correctly.

An eight man rotation means that everybody plays 30 minutes Or 4 guys play 35 and 4 guys play 25. But an 8 man rotation is very doable in this League. And we have the 8 to do with it.

Just gotta be smart.

superiorblogman

April 30th, 2011
2:25 pm

Larry Drew hates Jeff Teague for no reason and the facts are that Teague’s single best game is better than Hinrich’s. Teague is a very explosive young player, with flaws, which is no different than Josh Smith if you are able to put things into context. The two most memorable individual performances for me this year were Horford against the Bulls and Teague against the Trailblazers. I still remember JJ in game 1 against Memphis getting to the line double digit times also. Anybody dissing Teague is a hateful fool IMO. The young guy has been in the league 2 years and is still a rookie because ASG keeps giving coaches short contracts and all the coachings can think about is doing enough to keep there jobs, it has been said several times that potential and talent gets coaches fired. I blame the ASG, Woody, and LD for Teague not being developed this is one thing that I am not putting on Sund and especially not on Teague. Go check Steve Nash’s career stats. Even Nash could not do anything with the type of minutes Teague has gotten so-far in his career.

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
2:29 pm

And I don’t know what Teague the Teague haters have been watching.

At Wake, when he was at Point, Wake was dominate, and Teague was one of the best players in the game. He could take over against most anybody in college.

Then when Ish Smith came back, Wake crashed and burned.

Teague fell to #19 in a very PG heavy draft. Steve Lavin said he may be the best PG from that draft after 5 years.

Hollinger said he could be that years Rondo.

He’s had two clowns as HC’s in the NBA, but the guy can ball. He can play D with the best of them. And his athleticism fits with our small lineup. They guys a gymnast also, backflips, handsprings etc. He’s an elite level athlete.

Just turn him loose and let him play. Of course he’s going to make mistakes. LD has trained him for that. But turn the guy loose. He beasted after the Bibby trade. He’s got the talent, just turn him loose.

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
2:30 pm

Also, he has no set shot, but he can create his own jumpshot off the dribble.

Buddy Grizzard

April 30th, 2011
2:30 pm

Las Vegas Larry is just jealous that in the next 2-3 year there will be two siblings named Teague both starting for NBA teams. No siblings named Drew will EVER start at point guard in the NBA.

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
2:32 pm

Teague a TO machine? He’s only had 3 TO’s in a game twice since the Boston game on Dec. 16th. And that’s starting against Miller and Jennings, and playing alot against Lawson and Felton. Where do people get this stuff from?

And his turnover ratio is much lower than the League MVP DRose!

SteveW

April 30th, 2011
2:34 pm

If LD has other agendas other than the Hawks being champions, or being the best they can be, then LD needs to leave quickly.

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
2:44 pm

The odds are against us in this series.

LD has 2 choices:

1) He can be rigid like Woody and use THE SAME LINEUP EVERY GAME AND GET THE SAME RESULTS (LOSSES)

2) He can do something different and START A DIFFERENT LINEUP THAT WORKS TO OUR ADVANTAGES’

Let Teague play. Last series he did not need to play, or was he supposed to, but we need him now.

Too bad LD set him up to fail

I THOUGHT WHEN WOODY WAS FIRED, IT WAS BECAUSE HE DIDN’T PLAY COLLINS AND TEAGUE ENOUGH. WHY HAS TEAGUE HARDLY PLAYED THIS YEAR? WTF HAPPENED IN THE PORTLAND GAME LAST MONTH?

True Hawks Fan

April 30th, 2011
2:48 pm

KH is not so good we that we should fold our tent and go home. In fact he wasn’t even barely adequate against Rose (and others I could mention) previously. The problem I see is we are down a guard because we traded 2 and got one back. Some of you act like he is an all-star or MVP. If our savior against the Bulls is KH then we have bigger problems than anyone imagined. I was right about round 1; and the Hawks (LD) need to man up and play Jeff. You drafted him, kept him, and now you need to play him. Go Hawks! I’m still going to root for all the Hawks, including KH.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

April 30th, 2011
2:52 pm

Buddy Grizzard – I have scoured youtube for the clip of LDII rapping but he must have taken it down. I can’t find it. Let’s just hope that’s not the case and Teague is given a fighter’s chance – IMO he hasn’t been afforded that. He may not be the pg of the future but give the guy a shot.

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
2:55 pm

All we hear about is how much Horford loves playing Chicago. He and Joe really need to be on their games in this series. I want Joe relentlessly attacking whoever is guarding him.

Horford needs to not back down from their frontline. I will never forget that article about how much he loves playing CHI and then he choked miserably.

The only thing that impresses me about Chicago is Derrick Rose and their head coach. We have a better more athletic frontline, a far better shooting guard, and Jamal + ZaZa are better than their best bench players.

LD better have a good gameplan.

Grandad

April 30th, 2011
3:08 pm

Think about it.
How muh thought we put into stopping rose?

Do you reckon, other teams;
put that much [if any] thought into stopping Joe?

Grandad

April 30th, 2011
3:09 pm

* muh

* mu*c*h

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
3:30 pm

LD is the reason we lost game 2 (left Horford on bench even though he finished with 2 PF). Consequently, we went 6 games and Hinrich got hurt.

Teague HAS NOT been developed against 1st string players at all.

FIRE LD
FIRE LD
FIRE LD
FIRE LD
FIRE LD
FIRE LD
FIRE LD
FIRE LD
FIRE LD
FIRE LD

Booo!

April 30th, 2011
3:35 pm

Mc, I didn’t meant that literally ha! I think you took the easy way out(by not debating) lol. I honestly beleive Teague is our best bet at slowing Rose….the only problem is that Teague likes to gamble and may pick up cheap fouls which will really put us in a bad spot. I think we should activate Pape Sy like some have mentioned rotate Teague, Damien, and Pape on Rose. Any chance LD activates pape?

I think we just need to stay in fron of rose, let him go off (no more that 50) and contain everyone else.

Booo!

April 30th, 2011
3:36 pm

Ooh, Look what I found!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvjQuO1seI

Free The Teague!

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
3:47 pm

MY PLAN WAS TO START TEAGUE NEXT TO HINRICH VS. CHICAGO

NOW MY PLAN IS TO START TEAGUE AT POINT GUARD

FREE TEAGUE

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
3:48 pm

GIVE TEAGUE MAJOR MINUTES

HINRICH SHOULD BE TALKING TO TEAGUE 8 HOURS A DAY ABOUT HOW TO GUARD ROSE BEFORE MONDAY

Wink

April 30th, 2011
3:55 pm

Grand Dad

Joe is a self check…pounds the rock for 20 seconds…the shoots fade away or pass to Josh at 3 point line with short clock!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
4:17 pm

“i to clicked onto the virus from the post under the name of Najeh”

Which link is giving y’all the virus? If it’s BSO I’ll stop linking them, but like I said I didn’t get any viruses from either of those links.

ag

April 30th, 2011
4:25 pm

If JT starts, LD needs to let the kid play. Not like when he started against Denver and played about 15 minutes. IF he plays 30 minutes per game the Hawks will win the series. If he plays at least 40 minutes, the Hawks will surely win. He has played at least 40 minutes twice and his career and each time gave the Hawks big games. He need to shoot at least 15 shots, and making 6 we will be okay. If he makes at least 6 fgs, he will average about 18-20 ppg because he will be at the line. The strategy is Plan A – run, Plan B run, and if Plan B does not work, go to plan A – run. The more the Hawks set up on offense the worst they will be. All that running will not be good for Rose’s ankle.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
4:29 pm

“i could debate this point with facts and observations but since it’s not debatable, what’s the use?”

Since you bring it up though, could you do a comparison of PG defense for this team using Synergy or whatever? How do the stats say Kirk, Teague, Jamal, Joe, and for that matter Bibby stack up against each other when it comes to defending point guards in general and Rose in particular? My observation agrees with Booo that Teague, at least when he has played significant minutes with the starters, has defended better than Kirk more consistently, but his defensive performance seems to fall off when he’s in with the reserves or in garbage time which presumably is a significant chunk of his minutes.

ag

April 30th, 2011
4:33 pm

The Game Has Changed

April 30th, 2011
10:46 am
@Wordlwide Clyde- I think we need to change the whole entire game plan and go on the attack. I say start PG-Joe SG-Marvin SF-Smoove PF-Horford C-Collins. We need to keep Rose occupied on the other end of the court. Make him play some D on Joe or Marvin. They can both shoot over him or either post him up. Posting would be better. That way he would only be able to start the break underneath our basket on a rebound. This would also put him in foul trouble
U r an idiot!. Marvin could not even post up Jameer! I hate to say it, but I think that is the lineup LD will roll with. If so Hawks lose in 5.

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
4:38 pm

LET TEAGUE AND DAMIEN PLAY

HORFORD PLEASE SHOW UP

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
4:38 pm

Joe played less minutes this year than any other year with the Hawks. Also only went 6 games in Rd 1. He should have fresh legs to guard D.Rose. He also was meant to be our PG when we signed him 6 years ago

Adam

April 30th, 2011
5:16 pm

It doesn’t matter if Hinrich plays or not, first of all they need him at 100% to even stand a chance and that is not going to happen. Without him the Hawks will be very lucky if this goes to six games….

The Game Has Changed

April 30th, 2011
5:18 pm

@JeJe-How far does Drew has to go this year in the playoffs to meet your approval?

The Game Has Changed

April 30th, 2011
5:19 pm

Some of yall talking like Hinrich is our “White Saviour”. Give me a break

KD

April 30th, 2011
5:53 pm

That’s too bad. I was looking forward to him defending Rose. I was assuming that he would step up to the challenge and defen him pretty well. Will Teague be trusted to run point and defend Rose? Time will tell.

Ant banks

April 30th, 2011
6:06 pm

Jus brought playoff tix for rest of playoffs. Hawks will play boston in ecf. The arena will be sick wit it. Will beat the bulls in 6

The Real Mandingo

April 30th, 2011
6:28 pm

I’m beginning to second guess my call on starting Twin @ the Center position. I don’t trust Twin in trying to box out Noah on the boards. Noah can be a monster on the offensive glass. You know, when he (Noah) gets those offensive putbacks and displays a lot of emotion thereafter, this really hypes up the Chicago crowd which could powerfully and negatively impact the Hawks’ psyche and confidence. Once the Hawks’ confidence is shattered, lethargy sets in and that usually spells a trip to Blowout City for the Hawks. I guess the best option is to start either Marvin or JT at one of the guard spots if Hinrich is unavailable.

Question To All:

In your opinion, how many games do the Hawks win this (past regular season) year with Lionel Hollins as the head coach and what seed/position do the Hawks, if any, heading into the playoffs?

The Real Mandingo

April 30th, 2011
6:33 pm

That should read “…what seed/position do the Hawks ‘get’, if any, heading into the playoffs?”

You Cant stop the bullies!

April 30th, 2011
6:38 pm

The faster hawks fans stop dreaming the faster u all can get over this major loss…haha the bulls are taking this easy series ..end of story

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
6:41 pm

Larry you need to get something check out.Its on top of your shoulders and shaped like a boulder……..

Deng will destroy Marvin.. Marvin would have to split his butt in two to defend Deng…LOL

I got Jokes….lol

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
6:52 pm

Hey Marvin , drop down and give 35 pushups, then run a mile around this Gym today, tomorrow, and for the forseeable future…

Ah yes imho, Teague is by far our best defender at the poa(point of attack)..See you tube…
Come on mookie Jr save us from LARRY LARRY LARRY……

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
6:55 pm

Hawks in 6.The will take game 1,not steal, take game 1!!! Cause they are real ballers….

superiorblogman

April 30th, 2011
7:46 pm

As long as we do not start Marvin Williams we will be fine. Marvin and Josh are both 2 inconsistent at doing anything well to be on the same court for long stretches. The former starter lineup should be dead by now. On the other hand, I am pretty sure that LD is too stupid to realize what a bad lineup that is. Marvin is not going to work at SG either because he can’t take advantage of his size you see how Jameer stripped him consistently in mismatches last series. Rick Sund or the new GM is going to have to find a way to get rid of Marvin or he will keep finding his way into the starting lineup.

PG Crawford (I know he isn’t a PG and will get ate alive on D)
SG Joe
SFJosh
PF Al
C Collins

Depth

Marvin
Teague
Zaza
Damien

Or

PG Teague
SG Joe
SF Josh
PF Al
C Zaza

Depth

Jamal
Marvin
Collins
Damien

But no way should Marvin be starting along side Josh. That’s starting 2 wild card type players since neither are consistent at doing anything good.

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
7:51 pm

HawksPRGuy AT/HawksPRGuy
“Guys will have to step up,” Drew continued. “Jeff (Teague) will have to be ready. Marvin (Williams) hadn’t played starters minutes of late, but he gave us a great performance in Game 6.”

HawksPRGuy AT/HawksPRGuy
“I believe in his ability,” said Drew of Jeff Teague. “It’s a matter of getting it out of him all the time.”

HawksPRGuy AT/HawksPRGuy
“No one’s going to be able to stop him,” sad Drew of Derrick Rose, “we have to have a good plan of containing him.”. #Hawks #NBAPlayoffs

McGrawDHBulls Mike McGraw
Interesting note about Hawks: Jeff Teague, possible PG replacement for Hinrich, played 9 minutes total in Orlando series.

Gives the clue that Collins is not starting. Marvin Williams will start as expected and it’s looking like Teague will start for Hinrich.

Teague
Johnson
Williams
Smith
Horford

Not sure I like that starting lineup. I would rather have Marvin come off the bench

superiorblogman

April 30th, 2011
7:55 pm

Gives the clue that Collins is not starting. Marvin Williams will start as expected and it’s looking like Teague will start for Hinrich.

Teague
Johnson
Williams
Smith
Horford

Not sure I like that starting lineup. I would rather have Marvin come off the bench

Where are you getting this from? We are done if Marvin is starting

drmaryb (*_-)

April 30th, 2011
8:06 pm

Breaking News! Ta Dah …

Allegedly, NATO has conducted an Air Raid on Mommar Ghadafi’s youngest son, Saif’s private residence. Allegedly, Ghadafi’s son, Saif and his three grand children were killed today.

This story has yet to be confirmed, however, the uprisers in Tripoli, Libya
are celebrating in the streets. I can not ascertain if the grand children arer that of Saif or Mommar. Allegedly, Mommar and his Wife have narrowly escaped their death.
_______________

What does any of this have to do with Hawks Basketball, you might ask?

Answer: Nothing.
______________________

Speaking of Hawk’s Basketball, the loss of Kirk Hinrich for the post season is horrible. Can or will the Hawks overcome? Probably not, however, what really are the chances of the Hawks winning a title this year?

Answer: nullified, with or without Kirk. Oh well, that’s my Hawks.
That is RealTalk – right there. So, let’s just enjoy the games and have some fun. These games are erected to take our minds off of what is really important – human life.

drmaryb (*_-)

April 30th, 2011
8:14 pm

What does Kirk’s skin color have to do with anything?

I’m confused.

drmaryb (*_-)

April 30th, 2011
8:16 pm

If someone saves your life? Do you really care what color they are?
_____________

In response to the Great White Savior commenter. Hugh?

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
8:19 pm

drmaryb whats up?How are you?What are your thoughts on the series coming up

superiorblogman

April 30th, 2011
8:22 pm

I like Kirk but in all fairness he has been treated like the great white savior on these boards and I could care less about his skin color, but if you listen to people on these boards, words like IQ started getting thrown around when Kirk became a Hawk and if you ask them he is our only high IQ player when people like Jason Collins went to Stanford and would not even be in the league if it was not for his smart position defense. Not to mention Joe played with guys like Nash who you have to learn things from that increase your basketball IQ. I don’t care about his skin but a lot of people on sites like this do. That’s why they swore he was a great move when he really wasn’t and when he was not even looking like it during the regular season.

Scott

April 30th, 2011
8:26 pm

KH isn’t a game changer and the Hawks will be fine. They’re losing 10pts, 2assts, 2rebounds and 1steal per game with KH being hurt! Now if Crawford or Smith get injured it’s time to Panick!

drmaryb (*_-)

April 30th, 2011
8:30 pm

Round 2!

brigadierjerry! What’s up my friend?

My thoughts are measured. If! The Hawks come out and compete hard for 48 minutes each game, they can absolutely win this series.
It is entirely up to the Hawks.

Win or lose, I just hope they compete. Injuries are an unfortunate part of the game. Perkins go down in game 6 last season and they lose game 7 to LA. Would they have won the Title if Perkins had not gone down?

Maybe, maybe not. We will never know. If the Hawks advance to the ECF? That will be our Super Bowl right there. We don’t garner enough talent to take down OKC nor Lakers. We could possibly defeat all the obstacles in the East. (with tongue in cheek)
_________________

brigadierjerry, if I’m nothing? I’m real.

Sleepy

April 30th, 2011
8:32 pm

I have to say I agree with SuperiorBlogman on this one .

Marvin should not be starting

You are essentially starting 3 guys who you cant depend on in Marvin,Josh,and Teague in hopes of trying to win a playoff series .

This is the worst possible move that you could do for opening a series on the road.

You save that type of stuff for a home game .

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
8:44 pm

LARRY LARRY LARRY???????
What are you doing man????
I told you to stop taking calls from the godfather, chief gangsta himself!! Let him hear voice mail…
Tell him you were in the bathroom reading the paper or somethin….GEE WIZZZZZZ……………

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
8:49 pm

Marvin, you need a membership to LA Fitness to put on some muscles and work on your one dimensional game this summer.You cant have munchkins embarrassing you like that on the block!!!!!

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
8:50 pm

Regardless of what happens this series for the Hawks where do they go as far as moves going forward?I know a lot depends on what the CBA looks like. Drew will be back. He did that getting past the first round. Does anyone see them trying to make a move for Dwight?I get the impression Josh Smith will try to be moved. It seems a lot of fans have fallen out of favor with his play lately. I also think Marvin probably needs a change of teams.

Honestly where are the Hawks going forward? They dont have a lot of capspace and I dont get the impression they are going to go over the cap. 2nd round is nice and if they get to ECF that would be great but you get to a point in time where you want to see more. How many times you go through with a team first making it to first round great then second round then ECF and then maybe a finals then a chance to win a championship. I am at the point with the Hawks they need to get to a Finals with a chance to win a championship. Been through the late 70’s early 80’s with Nique 90’s Blaylock Smith Mutumbo. Looking for more. I am not saying i am expecting the hawks to make deep postseason runs like the Lakers do, but is it too much to ask for them to have a run like Pistons in the mid 2000’s or even the Nets when they went back to back to the Finals

drmaryb (*_-)

April 30th, 2011
8:51 pm

Superior

I hadn’t noticed the correlation of skin color and IQ comments.
Now that you mention this, I see your point.

Hey white people! (and IDK which of the bloggers are white), knock it off!
IQ has absolutely nothing to do with skin color! Keep your comments confined to the skills levels. All the basketball players are intelligent.

Dennis Rodman was one of the most intelligent basketball players to ever lace them up. Yeah, he was crazy as hell, but never dumb/stupid or whatever you would have called him, low IQ or otherwise.

So, knock it off!

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
8:54 pm

drmaryb,

I agree with you. Just would like to see the effort. Yes injuries are part of the game. Does this series coming up remind you of the 1996-97series Bulls vs Hawks with Blaylock, Mutumbo, Laetner, Smith?Remember Alan Henderson?I was never a big fan of his back in the day. He was always hurt. I think that game 4 where the Bulls won was the last game at the Omni if I am not mistaken.

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
8:57 pm

legend has it wbuya scored a 91 on his IQ test, 2 DUI’s,2 bankruptcies,a drug possession…et al

And became the most powerful man on tv……..enough said…

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
8:57 pm

superior,

You bring up an interesting point. I have seen this a lot in all of the major sports of iq and skin color but I think a lot of it mostly applies to basketball and to a lesser extent football. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Minority cant be quarterbacks and players who have great athleticism arent smart. Stupid talk

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
8:59 pm

Dont worry be happy!!!

drmaryb (*_-)

April 30th, 2011
9:01 pm

brigadierjerry

Oh Yeah! ‘94 … Old memories. I was there.

HINDU! Somebody had a voo-doo doll losaded wtih stick pins of this guy.
He wore the nicest suits and drove the prettiest drop-top Bentley I ever saw. Such fond memories.

Do you recall Adam Keefe? #6 Pick I think, we all booed when he was selected. Many, many bad draft picks around these parts!
Too many to count. Where is Jimmy Johnson when you need him?

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
9:12 pm

drmaryb,

Adam Keefe terrible pick Doug Edwards, how bout Eldrige Recasner but you know what drmaryb?No one ever talks about the terrible Steve Smith Rider trade what a terrible trade that was.
Alan seems like a nice guy but he was made of glass. I believe if they had kept Smith Blaylock and Mutumbo and Jordan only played till 98, The Hawks would had a chance to get to the Finals. Look at the Atlanta Hawks draft history since 1990. Some rough picks!!

2009 1 17 Teague, JeffJeff Teague Wake Forest University
2007 1 3 Horford, AlAl Horford University of Florida
2007 1 11 Law, AcieAcie Law Texas A&M University
2006 1 5 Williams, SheldenShelden Williams Duke University
2006 2 33 Jones, SolomonSolomon Jones University of South Florida
2005 1 2 Williams, MarvinMarvin Williams University of North Carolina
2005 2 31 Stoudamire, SalimSalim Stoudamire University of Arizona
2005 2 59 Akyol, CenkCenk Akyol
2004 1 6 Childress, JoshJosh Childress Stanford University
2004 1 17 Smith, JoshJosh Smith
2004 2 34 Smith, DontaDonta Smith Southeastern Illinois College
2004 2 37 Ivey, RoyalRoyal Ivey University of Texas at Austin
2004 2 42 Sanikidze, ViktorViktor Sanikidze
2003 1 21 Diaw, BorisBoris Diaw
2003 2 37 Hansen, TravisTravis Hansen Brigham Young University
2002 2 36 Andersen, DavidDavid Andersen
2001 1 3 Gasol, PauPau Gasol
2001 2 33 Morris, TerenceTerence Morris University of Maryland
2000 1 6 Johnson, DerMarrDerMarr Johnson University of Cincinnati
2000 2 40 Möttölä, HannoHanno Möttölä University of Utah
2000 2 57 Penn, ScoonieScoonie Penn Ohio State University
1999 1 10 Terry, JasonJason Terry University of Arizona
1999 1 17 Bowdler, CalCal Bowdler Old Dominion University
1999 1 20 Glover, DionDion Glover Georgia Institute of Technology
1999 1 27 Jones, JumaineJumaine Jones University of Georgia
1998 1 20 McLeod, RoshownRoshown McLeod Duke University
1998 2 49 Carr, CoryCory Carr Texas Tech University
1997 1 22 Gray, EdEd Gray University of California
1997 2 49 Digbeu, AlainAlain Digbeu
1997 2 50 Crawford, ChrisChris Crawford Marquette University
1996 1 28 Lauderdale, PriestPriest Lauderdale Central State University
1995 1 16 Henderson, AlanAlan Henderson Indiana University
1995 2 42 Boyce, DonnieDonnie Boyce University of Colorado
1995 2 45 Brown, TroyTroy Brown Providence College
1995 2 57 Martin, CuonzoCuonzo Martin Purdue University
1994 2 34 Nickerson, GaylonGaylon Nickerson Northwestern Oklahoma State University
1993 1 15 Edwards, DougDoug Edwards Florida State University
1993 2 40 Manning, RichRich Manning University of Washington
1992 1 10 Keefe, AdamAdam Keefe Stanford University
1992 2 38 Bennett, ElmerElmer Bennett University of Notre Dame
1991 1 9 Augmon, StaceyStacey Augmon University of Nevada, Las Vegas
1991 1 15 Avent, AnthonyAnthony Avent Seton Hall University
1991 2 30 Monroe, RodneyRodney Monroe North Carolina State University
1990 1 10 Robinson, RumealRumeal Robinson University of Michigan

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
9:15 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^That #2 lottery pick in 2005 was the worst of em all!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Slimjr

April 30th, 2011
9:19 pm

1985, passed on Charles Barkley for Jon Contract……….

1978 traded draft rights for David Thompson

1976 gave up on Julius Erving….

NUNNA!!

April 30th, 2011
9:22 pm

While we on it,i seen it a lot too..

They (tv play by play teams) would always say about the white player,”ohh he’s a hard worker”,or “he is a smart player”(like the alabama qb who the jets drafted today),and a lot of times those comments would be followed after they would say,”he may not be the most gifted or the fastest athlete but”,and then those 2 earliers quotes would follow..

“What they mean is,he may not be black and fast but”………..

Im tired of hearing it too..If thats what they really mean then they should say it..

I guess they think that just because u are fast and u can avoid tackles or dribble the ball and run and dunk it that it takes no intelligence at all??!!!

Well,it takes concentration,it takes seeing a play before it happens to avoid a tackle or the ball being stripped..It takes thinking just as fast as u are playing..Hard work is all those years in the backyard playing with your dad and fams and neighborhood friends..

Then playing at the boys club,school playground or rec center..

Then actually playing on a team at an early age..

Then a lot of running,jumping and not knowing it but putting muscles on your body..

All while being a student of the game and a student in school as well..

U think J-Smoove is not smart in what he does? Timing his blocks,measuring the speed of a player,his distance from Smoove and how fast and high that smoove has to run and jump to block that shot???

Give me a break

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
9:23 pm

Najeh . . it’s an extremely small sample size ( only 13 minutes ), but here is what Rose did against Teague, when Teague was on the court. These numbers are per-36 minutes:

13.8 ppg
5.5 rebs
11.1 asst

14% FG
33% 3FG

Rose was 1 – 7 FG and 1 – 3 3FG when Teague was in the game. He missed 3 midrange shots and one shot at the rim.

Now of course Teague isn’t going to hold Rose to 14% shooting, but it is an indication that he could give Rose some trouble in short stretches. Maybe instead of 14% shooting, he could hold him to 33% shooting, or somewhere along those lines.

It would be interesting to see if a combination of Teague and JJ harrassing Rose out on the perimeter on a double team, could bother Rose and force a few turnovers.

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
9:29 pm

The Game Has Changed,

We have been swept [EMBARRASSED] 2 years a row in the 2nd round.

Anything less than a tough 6 or 7 game series, or probably ECF, I willl consider a colossal failure.

HOW MANY MORE YEARS DO WE HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED FROM RD 2 BEFORE WE MAKE CHANGES?

FIRE LD

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
9:30 pm

And the fact that he only got to the rim one time, and only got to the line 5.5 times per 36 minutes, ( which equals one free throw every 6.5 minutes ) . . means that he also only shot 2 FTs while Teague was guarding him.

Like I said . . it’s a small sample size. But it is an indication that he may be able to hold his own a little bit against Rose.

Drew would be silly to not try Teague against Rose. And if he’s going to play, I’d rather him play with the Starters, than with the reserves.

NUNNA!!

April 30th, 2011
9:31 pm

Now on the KH thing..
I don’t understand why the players on the team don’t put the ball in his hands when they rebound..
I see him holding his hands out and asking for the ball but Al,Smoove,Joe would all run with the ball and start the fast break or they would give the ball to Jamaal..

Am i the only one who see’s this?? Probably not..

I think these guys have some kind of secret loyalty to bibby..

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
9:33 pm

Nick Van Exel,

MAKE SURE TEAGUE IS A WARRIOR OUT THERE. PISS ME OFF. MAKE HIM ANGRY

TEAGUE, PLAY WITH A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER. THIS IS YOUR TIME, FAM

JeJe

April 30th, 2011
9:45 pm

NUNNA I agree
Especially JOsh

That genius dribbles up the ball while Kirk begs for it

Kirk >>>>>>>>>> Bibby

Bibby CAN’T EVEN MAKE SHOTS WITH 3 ALL STARS ON HIS TEAM, AND 2 OF THE 3 BEST PLAYERS IN THE NBA

BIBBY = GARBAGE

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
9:48 pm

Josh could play like Zach Randolph if he focuses on playing that way but he wants to play like Lamar Odom. One thing I notice is that Josh cannot compensate when he isnt 100%

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
9:54 pm

“You are essentially starting 3 guys who you cant depend on in Marvin,Josh,and Teague in hopes of trying to win a playoff series . ”

The problem with this line of reasoning is that it implies that Al, Joe, Jamal, etc. are players you can depend on. Nobody knows if Aggressive Joe or Passive Joe will show up. Nobody knows if Al will put up 31 and 16 or if he will shoot 40% for the series like against Orlando and pass up makeable shots all game long. Nobody knows if Jamal is going to catch fire or if he’s going to throw up bricks and get burned all day on D.

There is nobody on this team who is dependable game in and game out. We don’t have a Kobe or a LeBron. Start the players who give you the best chance of countering the Bulls matchup-wise and hope for the best.

Starting lineup: Teague/Joe/Marvin/Smoove/Al
Bench: Jamal/Damien/Zaza/Collins

Teague is the Hawks guard best equipped to slow down Rose and make it hard for him to get in the lane. Smoove has the athletic advantage over Boozer and is more effective at PF than at SF where he has to close out on shooters and tends to drift to the perimeter. Presumably Al will step up his game going up against Noah in the playoffs. Marvin is unreliable as ever but he played good man to man D in the Orlando series and has the appropriate body type to chase Deng around and deny him open looks. Joe had trouble when Turkoglu guarded him in the Magic series because of Turkoglu’s length; Deng is equipped to give him similar problems whereas Bogans is not.

I’m not entirely opposed to Teague/Joe/Smoove/Al/Collins either. Collins is not a good rebounder but he does box out; he doesn’t get rebounds because he doesn’t jump. If he can box out Noah, it’s on Al and Smoove to swoop into the space vacated to get rebounds, like they did in Game 6 against Orlando when both got double doubles. I like one thing that Collins does on the offensive end that doesn’t show up in the box score, which is sealing off his man to create space for Joe to drive to the basket.

Ideally in my opinion the Hawks should have/could have started Teague/Kirk/Joe/Smoove/Al. I know this contradicts what I said earlier about Joe being matched up on Deng, but the tradeoff of having three players on the floor who can guard Rose and bringing Marvin off the bench where he is more effective would have been worth it to me.

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
9:54 pm

LOL @ those draft picks. The worst thing about those pics, is that about 70% of those guys were INSTANT failures for us. Didn’t even last 2 years. Just horrific draft picks.

It’s one thing not to be able to get anything out of 2nd round picks, but 1st round picks? Just horrible. LOL . . then we trade the best pick of them all for Reef, and he only lasts 2.5 years with us.

Horrible.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
10:00 pm

“Drew would be silly to not try Teague against Rose. And if he’s going to play, I’d rather him play with the Starters, than with the reserves.”

Co-sign. ‘Preciate the stats. They sound right to me based on what I remember seeing. Maybe Teague fails in the playoffs against Rose, but it would be damn stupid to not try it out.

J from the A

April 30th, 2011
10:02 pm

darn blog monsters are killing me today!

Synopsis: When you let your own venomous racism go, perhaps most of the “others” stop seeming so bad and stop seeming so “other.” But with your own venomous racism in place, much of what the “other” says and does, seems offensive, if not evil. Learn to love and give your “other” brethren the benefit of the doubt (until they decisively prove they don’t deserve your benefit), and this world would be such a better place. (Obviously, this cuts both ways.)

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
10:03 pm

^^I meant Game 4, not Game 6. But the broader point still stands; in Game 4 Smoove and Al got double doubles, and in Game 6 Joe and Al got double doubles. The Hawks outrebounded the Magic in both games. Collins is capable of boxing out even if he can’t rebound. If he does that the other players on the floor have to crash the boards.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
10:07 pm

Drew said a lack of consistency prevented Teague from joining the rotation.

“That being said, I will never give up on him,” Drew said. “I still believe in his ability. I know that when he plays with consistency, he’s a totally different player and we’re a totally different team. I see something in him that I really like.”

Yeah, because the rest of the team is such a model of consistency. Maybe Nique has more influence on the Hawks’ coaches than we all think. Hard for me to think of another reason why this blatant double standard seems to permeate the higher ups in this organization.

WindyCityVic

April 30th, 2011
10:07 pm

lol….you all have to be dreamin’…maybe….and i say MAYBE the hawks win one game….see ya next year

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
10:09 pm

Noah vs Collins Per-36 minutes . . . according to NBA StatsCube

- they played only 17 minutes vs each other
- actual production in parenthesis

NOAH

10.6 pts . . ( 5 pts )
12.7 rebs . . ( 6 rebs )
4.2 asst . . ( 2 asst )

67% FG ( 2 – 3 FG )
4.2 FTA . . ( 2 FTA )
4.2 fouls . . ( 2 fouls )

**********************

COLLINS

0 pts
0 rebs
2.1 asst . . ( 1 asst )

0 FG% ( 0 – 0 )
0 FTA
6.4 fouls . . ( 3 fouls )

J from the A

April 30th, 2011
10:09 pm

It’s TEAGUE TIME!

I have been a critic of him for most of this year, but now is his time to shine. Go Teague! GO HAWKS!

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
10:12 pm

Najeh . . you’re reaching on Collins man. I think Collins is good at boxing out, only if his man shot the ball. But as far as boxing out people who don’t have the ball, he sucks. And he’s always sucked at that.

That dude should not play AT ALL during the Chicago series, unless it’s an absolute emergency.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 30th, 2011
10:12 pm

Collins vs. the Bulls may be a little more telling, seeing as how most of what Collins does doesn’t show up in the box score, but even then it is a really small sample size.

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
10:15 pm

Brig . . why do you keep saying that Josh isn’t 100%, and using that as an excuse for him? When he is 100%, he still has the same issues.

And anytime he’s on the break, he sure doesn’t look hurt to the point that he still can’t throw a thunderous dunk down. And he got up quite well to block Howard’s shot the other night.

Josh may not be 100%, but he’s not hurt to the point where his athletic ability is severely hampered. It’s like JJ’s hand. It may hurt, but he can still shoot if he takes the right types of shots.

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
10:16 pm

WindyCityVic ,

I see you are a fan of the Bulls, you see them winning a chip this year cause I dont see it. They remind me of the 2001 SIxers.

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
10:21 pm

northclyde,

That is true about Smith but he just isnt the same player to me as he was even say two years ago. IT is really hard to figure him out. Wouldnt you agree he has the potential to play like Zach especially the rebounds part? I know Joe Johnson gets killed sometimes but he is the best on the team taking it to the basket he has a handle and has a midrange game.

I posted those draft picks to point out how bad the Hawks draft picks has been. You are right most didnt last past their rookie contract. Some even less than that. I will say the late 90’s Hawks team had a real good chance to do some damage but once they traded Smith and Mutombo went downhill from there

brigadierjerry

April 30th, 2011
10:24 pm

northclyde,

I would agree with you I wouldnt start Collins it isnt as if the Bulls have Howard in the middle and that negates Collins ability to start. The key for this series is Smith and Horford have to play tough defense and rebound the ball. Another thing that will hurt the Hawks is lack of a shotblocker to make it difficult for Rose to get clear shots at the basket

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
10:28 pm

Collins is our fullback I guess then. He picks up the blitz on pass plays, enabling the QB to get the pass off . . or he makes the key block that springs the RB for a big gain. Neither play will show up in the box score.

I’d still would rather roll with anybody but Collins though. Damn we need to obtain a big man rebounder at the very lease during the offseason.

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
10:32 pm

NO . . he does not have the ability to play like Zach, because Zach has always played an inside/outside game. Smith, if you let him, would rather camp out on the perimeter on every possession. And that alone prevents him from being as good of a rebounder than Zach. Zach, for the most part, makes sure he’s in the paint when that shot goes up.

I think the Lamar Odom comparison is dead on though. Eddie Johnson ( the former Seattle Sonic and Phoenix Sun player ), said 4 – 5 years ago that Josh reminded him more of Lamar Odom, than anybody else. I’ve always wanted him to play more like Shawn Kemp. But it looks like that will never happen.

J from the A

April 30th, 2011
10:46 pm

Is there going to be a big man available this off season that
(a) represents an improvement over Zaza and Jason
(b) can be had given the current CBA (things might be even worse under any new CBA)
(c) can be had given the Spirit Group’s reluctance to go into the luxury tax

In order for condition (b) to be met, it would have to be someone obtainable for the MLE or lower.
In order to for condition (c) to be met, it would (in all likelihood) have to be a vet minimum guy. Or maybe the Spirit group might be willing to violate condition (c)?

Under the best case scenario in which the Spirit Group is willing to go into the luxury (and the new CBA doesn’t keep the Hawks from being able to sign what would now be considered an MLE player), who would be the potential answer? Are any of those potential answer better than Zaza and Collins?

My best answer is DeAndre Jordan. His services MIGHT be obtainable for MLE-type money. He has a lot of upside. But is he good enough now to make a real difference for the Hawks next year? Also, given all the teams that need big men, what’s the chances of the Hawks being the one team that is able to grab him?

Who else might be available? Nenad Kristic? Joel Pryzbilla? Kurt Thomas? Dan Gadzuric? Take a chance on Greg Oden? It’s not clear that any of these guys offer a clear improvement over Zaza and Collins. Who else might be available for MLE-type money?

Sleepy

April 30th, 2011
10:48 pm

Josh is more like the Sixers version of Derrick Coleman when everyone realized that the guy was never gonna mature into the force everyone thought he would be .

Odom by the time he was 24 had already matured into a player that could help a team win a title

Sleepy

April 30th, 2011
10:51 pm

Deandre Jordan is gonna get a Al Horford type deal . The MLE would not be enough to get him .

They would probably be interested in a Marvin + Zaza for Kaman type of deal .

J from the A

April 30th, 2011
10:53 pm

Is Kaman an improvement over Zaza? I ask in all seriousness.

J from the A

April 30th, 2011
10:55 pm

And do you really think DeAndre is going go get a Horford-like deal? I think DeAndre still has a lot to prove before someone dishes out that kind of money to him, but then again with the dearth of legit big men, maybe his value gets pushed through the roof by one of these teams that have the space and the finances to pay whatever they want.

Jae Evolution

April 30th, 2011
11:02 pm

J from the A – When Kaman was healthy a few seasons ago he was a legit all-star candidate for C in the West he is a huge improvement over Zaza if he can get healthy.

northcyde

April 30th, 2011
11:15 pm

While I think DC in his prime was a better player than Josh, that’s a damn good comparison. And a scary one.

superiorblogman

April 30th, 2011
11:17 pm

brigadierjerry :

Regardless of what happens this series for the Hawks where do they go as far as moves going forward?I know a lot depends on what the CBA looks like. Drew will be back. He did that getting past the first round. Does anyone see them trying to make a move for Dwight?I get the impression Josh Smith will try to be moved. It seems a lot of fans have fallen out of favor with his play lately. I also think Marvin probably needs a change of teams.

Honestly where are the Hawks going forward? They dont have a lot of capspace and I dont get the impression they are going to go over the cap. 2nd round is nice and if they get to ECF that would be great but you get to a point in time where you want to see more.

I agree we need a shakeup regardless. If Teague gets atleast 25 minutes a game this series and does not average 8 pts 3 asts and 3 rebs I say move him. I like Teague but he has a lot of value in trades because honestly I don’t think any of these college guards in the draft are as good as Teague. Kemba does nothing defensively and is not Teague and nowhere near as quick as Lawson. Jimmer is Eddie House at best in the NBA and Kyrie Irving is going to be the next Jay Williams not wishing that on him but I doubt if he every stays healthy for 1 and #2 he is being overrated I did not see any Chris Paul in the guy, Teague would eat him alive. I think if you put Josh and Teague in a package you can get a whole lot. On the other hand, trading a guy with the talent of Josh alone you rarely get value. Below are a few trades of value that have a chance:

Josh for Monta Ellis: Ellis can play PG for Hawks we don’t need a true PG. Honestly, I want Teague to play like Monta not Chris Paul. If you want the truth, Deron Williams, Westbrook, Rose, they all play more like SG’s than PG’s, they shoot the ball a whole damn lot.

Josh for Okafor: I would be skeptical about this though. I’m not sure given the age difference and marketability difference that this would really be value but Okafor does block shots and is a legit NBA C because of strength and wingspan and he plays smarter.

Lastly, maybe Josh and Kirk for Rashard Lewis and Javal McGee: You would have to take Lewis horrible contract to even get them to think moving McGee and I still doubt if they would. McGee has as much upside as Josh in a lot of ways.

It’s not gonna be easy to move Josh because its gonna be so tough to get value back and we don’t need to be taking a big step back in talent. Maybe Cleveland would take him if they get the #2 pick and are not sold on Derrick Williams though. I would do that in a minute and Cleveland would have to think about it.

superiorblogman

April 30th, 2011
11:43 pm

I have posted several FA lists on this blog.

C’s that would help

1. Marc Gasol he will get a Al and Noah type contract though so forget it.
2. Tyson Chandler- when Haywood and Gortat signed to be backup C’s there contracts were both about $6 million a year. Chandler is no backup he will be getting 8-10 a year forget it.
3. Samuel Dalembert- He may be a guy that is attainable for 5 to 6 million a year. He was a backup sometimes in Sactown and starter sometimes. He may be possible.
4. Deandre Jordan- No way anyone is paying this guy $12 million a year. You are delusional if you think so. He has not even shown to be a full time starter. He will be a guy that is attainable for 5 to 6 million a year.
5. Greg Oden- He is another guy that should be in the 5-6 million dollar range because of injuries I just don’t see someone paying he more when he may not ever get right but I could be wrong about this one.

The Wildcard is getting Chris Kaman who I am not a fan of and would not even think of putting anyone other than Marvin and Zaza in a trade for and would think hard about putting Zaza in the trade. Kaman is another inconsistent type dude that I would not really want. Kaman is possible because I don’t see the Clips wanting to pay Kaman about $11 million next year and pay Jordan also. That is the reason Memphis moved Thabeet because they were not going to pay him near $6 million next year and pay Gasol 10-12 which they are going to have to.

Another Wildcard is Yao Ming.

Note: Of the list of 5,Only Dalembert and Chandler are unrestricted which means anyone can just straight up sign them, while the other players you can sign to offer sheet and there teams have the right to match the sheet.

Ming is unrestricted also but his injury history is also horrible.

J from the A

April 30th, 2011
11:44 pm

Jae Evolution

April 30th, 2011
11:02 pm

“J from the A – When Kaman was healthy a few seasons ago he was a legit all-star candidate for C in the West he is a huge improvement over Zaza if he can get healthy.”

The clauses “When Kaman was healthy,” “a few seasons ago,” and “if he can get healthy” are what worries me. Plus, even if Kaman was to get healthy and play at a fairly high level, the Hawks would have to give up, e.g., Zaza AND Marvin for him.

In short: At best, the Hawks would still have one more hole to fill. At worst, Kaman remains injury-prone/a shell of his old self and now the Hawks are worse in two positions.

J from the A

April 30th, 2011
11:51 pm

@superiorblogman: So the short version is roughly: The chances of obtaining a relatively low cost, quality big man through free agency this off season is next to nothing.

(BTW, I agree with your assessments on 1-5. I didn’t mention Gasol or Chandler because I figured they would obviously be looking at $10-12+ mill per year. I forget to mention Dalembert.)

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
12:01 am

I agree we need a shakeup regardless. If Teague gets atleast 25 minutes a game this series and does not average 8 pts 3 asts and 3 rebs I say move him. I like Teague but he has a lot of value in trades because honestly I don’t think any of these college guards in the draft are as good as Teague. Kemba does nothing defensively and is not Teague and nowhere near as quick as Lawson. Jimmer is Eddie House at best in the NBA and Kyrie Irving is going to be the next Jay Williams not wishing that on him but I doubt if he every stays healthy for 1 and #2 he is being overrated I did not see any Chris Paul in the guy, Teague would eat him alive. I think if you put Josh and Teague in a package you can get a whole lot. On the other hand, trading a guy with the talent of Josh alone you rarely get value. Below are a few trades of value that have a chance:

Josh for Monta Ellis: Ellis can play PG for Hawks we don’t need a true PG. Honestly, I want Teague to play like Monta not Chris Paul. If you want the truth, Deron Williams, Westbrook, Rose, they all play more like SG’s than PG’s, they shoot the ball a whole damn lot.

Josh for Okafor: I would be skeptical about this though. I’m not sure given the age difference and marketability difference that this would really be value but Okafor does block shots and is a legit NBA C because of strength and wingspan and he plays smarter.

Lastly, maybe Josh and Kirk for Rashard Lewis and Javal McGee: You would have to take Lewis horrible contract to even get them to think moving McGee and I still doubt if they would. McGee has as much upside as Josh in a lot of ways.

It’s not gonna be easy to move Josh because its gonna be so tough to get value back and we don’t need to be taking a big step back in talent. Maybe Cleveland would take him if they get the #2 pick and are not sold on Derrick Williams though. I would do that in a minute and Cleveland would have to think about it.

superiorblogman,

That Monta Ellis deal might not be a bad idea. I think the Hawks need to make a big time move to get a major player. Do you think it is possible that to get Dwight Howard moving a Josh or Horford for him? Okafor watching him against the Lakers he looked so small out there. He is a good shot blocker though. You know who I think Teague can end up being the type of player?Aaron Brooks type of player.

The one thing I do not want is to take a bad contract back especially a long term one. That would hinder their progress to make future moves. The Oden is not a bad idea I would take a 1-2 year chance as far as a deal on him.

northclyde:That is an interesting comparison to Derrick Coleman although Coleman problem was he was never motivated well enough. I dont think that is Josh Smith problem. I think Josh Smith problem is he needs a good teacher and a strong personality.

Sleepy

May 1st, 2011
12:24 am

LOL the only thing wrong with Kaman would be hes been injured hes never been inconsistent as far as production or play.

There is a nice read on on Kamans road back from injury

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6163946

In March in 26 minutes

17 ppg 7 rpg over a block a game

In our situation these are the types of chances that you take

As far as Jordan goes

Taking the new CBA and work-stoppage threat out of the equation, one prominent NBA agent pegged Jordan’s value on the open market to be around $9 million to $11 million dollars a season and predicted he’d sign a contract similar to the five-year, $60 million extension that Bulls center Joakim Noah signed in 2010 or even the four-year, $58 million extension Lakers center Andrew Bynum signed in 2009.

superiorblogman

May 1st, 2011
12:39 am

I don’t care what the NBA agent said DeAndre Jordan is not getting anything close to $11 million and you are delusional if you think he is. Like I said Gortat’s contract is what Jordan is looking at at his best and that is 5 years 34 million and I would not be surprised if its more like 5 year $30 million.

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2011
12:51 am

I think a Brendan Haywood-type contract isn’t out of the question for DeAndre Jordan. But Horford money? No way.

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
2:25 am

northcyde

One of your silliest statements… ever.

“you’re reaching on Collins man.
I think Collins is good at boxing out,
*only if his man shot the ball*.
But as far as boxing out people who don’t have the ball,
he sucks. And he’s always sucked at that”

______________________________________________

When boxing out;
one has to take into account several factors
whether guarding the shooter or not.
*When guarding a non-shooter you are in help position,
therefore you sometimes end up boxing out another man.
*Sometimes when guarding the shooter,
one is out of position due to fronting.
*ergo…It may or may not have anything to do,
with whether or whether not you are guarding
the shooter or non-shooter.
*There are many more situations that could arise
which could impact box-outs;
namely; hedging, switching, doubling, trapping, close-outs,
teammates missing assignments, etc., of which you would
need to be aware and observe in the film room.
*It’s doubtful you have observed that closely.

I contend, Collins is a poor rebounder,
yet does a good to above avg job of boxing out.
*[box outs are a team job]
*Collins is a team player !

superiorblogman

May 1st, 2011
3:24 am

Sleepy

May 1st, 2011
12:24 am

LOL the only thing wrong with Kaman would be hes been injured hes never been inconsistent as far as production or play.

LOL as usual you have no clue. Kaman is not a upgrade of playing Al at C for several reasons and the injuries are just one. The biggest reason is that Kaman’s combination of height, wingspan, and vertical is worse than Al’s. DeAndre Jordan, Okafor, Oden, Gortat, and McGee all dwarf all on the other hand.

superiorblogman

May 1st, 2011
3:53 am

By the way, the Hawks should be looking at how Golden State beat the Bulls in a February meeting as the blueprint. We have much better defensive personnel than Golden State we should watch what they did and try to duplicate it. They made Rose turn the ball over 9 x’s and he admitted after that game they did some stuff to him that He had never seen before. He might think he figured it out but we can remind him he did not.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2011020509

vava74

May 1st, 2011
4:57 am

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/NBA?vid=e590153a-6b49-4218-8d15-4ec64593e39f&from=foxsports/NBA+Basketball/headlines

Check it out. Marques Johnson says CHI are overrated (too many wins in a very easy division) and is tempted to consider an upset but Rose’s MVP play is difficult to overrule and should be the deciding factor.

FOR me, the key is NOT TO GET DEMORALIZED by Rose’s play and keep everyone else under control.

Just like against the MAGIC, the KEY is to make Rose work, get tired and remove everyone else from the equation.

IF, we manage to get everyone else to shoot in the .300 or very low .400 the main thing will be our ability to score and be efficient on offense and Rose’s production will be secondary.

Rose can’t do it all, has a bad ankle and if the scoring load is carried only him he will reach the 4th Quarter tired and will be easier to get stops.

JoJo The Godfather

May 1st, 2011
6:53 am

Let’s not forget our 6′7″ former PG from France. Pape Sy could be in uniform with Hinrich, Rolle & Thomas in suits. He needs to be ready to give us 5 minutes of defense on Rose every night.

lewis

May 1st, 2011
7:36 am

northcyde
April 30th, 2011
10:15 pm

Brig . . why do you keep saying that Josh isn’t 100%, and using that as an excuse for him? When he is 100%, he still has the same issues.

And anytime he’s on the break, he sure doesn’t look hurt to the point that he still can’t throw a thunderous dunk down. And he got up quite well to block Howard’s shot the other night.

Josh may not be 100%, but he’s not hurt to the point where his athletic ability is severely hampered. It’s like JJ’s hand. It may hurt, but he can still shoot if he takes the right types of shots.

Disagree. Josh’s knee injury has severely affected his play from the first half of the season to now. Pretty much killed his transition/alley oop/block game. You can see he hasn’t even attempted to grab a few lobs teammates have thrown for him because he just can’t get up that far right now. I hope its not forever, but he seems to have lost a solid 10 inches on his vertical. Figured he’d be at least 27-28 before the decline.

lewis

May 1st, 2011
7:41 am

As for Josh and Lamar Comparison,
all I can say to that is,
If we ever got a true C,
I’ve always loved the idea of Josh coming off the bench.

KevinM

May 1st, 2011
8:24 am

JoJo, Pape Sy will get run over like a Poppy Seed. He doesnt’ deserve the punishment nor the accolades. No way does he even get to do layups in the layup line.

And if you want to see what Oden is going to cost…..he’s considering testing the FA market next year….and it looks like Portland is offering 4/40….http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213422/Oden_Looks_At_Free_Agency_As_His_Move

I’m not touching that number. He’s a long way from earning that kind of cash…not getting it, EARNING it.

Hey lewis, Josh may want to be Lamar, but he is more ZBo….he just won’t play to his strengths for 45 mpg. Count the number of wasted possessions per game with Josh next time……

- leading the break to pass to Al in the open court…..rec ball
- hoisting up rocket launchers while he stands on the 3 pt line….he learned this from Marvin.
- his passes to Teague that would have been caught if it were a bit taller Hindrich.

This guy wastes more possessions per 48M than when PG Boris Diaw was a Hawk…Woody had to tell Diaw to shoot the ball during the game…..a vivid memory in my mind. We all see what position Diaw is playing today…he’s on the Eddy Curry weight plan.

KevinM

May 1st, 2011
8:25 am

Did I mention how much I miss our 2 lottery draft picks Chills and Shell?

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
8:40 am

FIRE LD

SHOULD’VE SWEPT ORLANDO AND HINRICH SHOULD NOT BE HURT

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
8:41 am

CAN’T IMAGINE WHAT’S GOING THROUGH HINRICH’S HEAD (NO HOMO)…

GONNA MISS A SERIES VS. A TEAM HE SPENT MOST OF HIS CAREER ON, AND AGAINST A POINT GUARD HE MENTORED

SMDH

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
8:48 am

Point guard is the only position we are outmatched at vs. Chicago. I fear that if Boozer is out, we will go light on them and get killed. Kinda hoping he plays. If Horford doesn’t step up in this series, we will all see the truth about him, because

HORFORD SAID HE LOVES PLAYING VS. CHICAGO

Buddy Grizzard

May 1st, 2011
8:49 am

In my opinion, JT has an unusual (abnormal) release on his jump shot. – Mandingo

And maybe this is Las Vegas Larry’s problem with Teague. He seems to favor jump shooting above all other skills, and maybe because JT has bad form that’s not going to be easily corrected, Vegas will never trust him. But again, Rondo is not an elite outside shooter but he is an all star point guard. Derek Rose is not an elite outside shooter (although he is making strides) but he is the league MVP. I don’t think Teague is half the creator/pure point guard that either of them is, but HE IS AS FAST AS EITHER ONE.

IMO he hasn’t been afforded that. He may not be the pg of the future but give the guy a shot. – Fan in New Orleans

IMO Jeff Teague IS THE POINT GUARD OF THE FUTURE for the Hawks franchise. We are fortunate to have a two guard that leads the team in assists so we DON’T NEED a pure point guard. We need a DEFENSIVE PRESENCE at the 1, and that is JT’s area of specialization.

Buddy Grizzard

May 1st, 2011
8:52 am

SHOULD’VE SWEPT ORLANDO AND HINRICH SHOULD NOT BE HURT – JEJE

True story! But Las Vegas Larry made a killing on games 2 and 5 where he sat starters for extended stretches despite not being in foul trouble. Aren’t you glad Las Vegas Larry rested Al in Game 2 so the Hawks could play two extra games?

Booo!

May 1st, 2011
8:55 am

Over at blog a bull they keep talking about how stupid Josh Smith is

-_-

Hawks in 6….free the Teague

Booo!

May 1st, 2011
8:58 am

Kirk being out is a good thing for him. Now he doesnt have to get abused on national telivision by Rose.

Teague ALL Day!

Go Hawks!

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
9:13 am

LET’S MAKE THIS YEAR’S 2ND ROUND DIFFERENT FROM THE PAST 2 YEARS. LET’S GO INTO GAME 1 WITH A GOOD GAMEPLAN.

LET DAMIEN AND TEAGUE GET MAJOR MINUTES. NO ONE IS GIVING US A CHANCE.

CHICAGO IS NOT *THAT* GOOD. THEY HAVE A SUPERSTAR. NO ONE ELSE ON THEIR TEAM CAN SCORE IF CONTESTED.

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
9:40 am

Gino’s East is greater than the Bulls
Love me some deep dish pan pizza!!!!

Da Bulls are heavily OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hawks in 5……maybe 6?

J from the A

May 1st, 2011
9:42 am

Buddy Grizzard

May 1st, 2011
8:49 am

“In my opinion, JT has an unusual (abnormal) release on his jump shot. – Mandingo

And maybe this is Las Vegas Larry’s problem with Teague. He seems to favor jump shooting above all other skills, and maybe because JT has bad form that’s not going to be easily corrected, Vegas will never trust him. …”

On offense, Teague’s ability to make expected passes is probably more of what is hurting him than not having a great jump shot. I forget what game it was (and I mentioned all this on the blog at the time), but in one of the mid-season games in which Teague logged a lot of minutes, he was having a real hard time passing the ball into the post. Al or Josh would have good position, the angle wouldn’t be too bad, Teague would see them in the post, but he just wouldn’t/couldn’t make the pass. This exact sequence happened 3 or 4 times in a short time span. (Almost certainly the play called was for a post up, but Teague just couldn’t deliver.)

On the defensive end, Teague has all the tools to be great. However, he is often slightly out of position (e.g., not having a fundamentally sound angel, spacing) and because of him being out of position he gets beat bad. Now, I have to admit that Teague has looked better on the defensive end after the All Star break. He still finds himself in “no man’s land” from time to time, but, hell, even the better defensive PGs in the league aren’t always in the best position. I am willing to say that Teague is (almost) ready defensively.

These are the type of “inconsistencies” that have kept Teague from becoming a rotational player. His inability to make the pass/execute the called play and his defensive positioning is what has cost him rotational minutes more than anything else.

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
9:52 am

‘“In my opinion, JT has an unusual (abnormal) release on his jump shot. – Mandingo

And maybe this is Las Vegas Larry’s problem with Teague. He seems to favor jump shooting above all other skills, and maybe because JT has bad form that’s not going to be easily corrected, Vegas will never trust him. …”
Nail on the head with LARRY LARRY!

Larry was a good perimeter shooter who averaged almost 18 per night in his prime!!!!!
He is bias because Teague cant touch him in that dept. as the featured pg.
Larry play the man, he’s got other assets to contribute……Stay tuned to this soap opera….Hugh??

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
9:54 am

Hawks must, repeat must win the battle of the Boards Big Time!!!! Crash,Crash,Crash! Everybody!

Buck

May 1st, 2011
9:59 am

Jaquizz is gonna take us to the SUPERBOWL!!!!….uh….GO HAWKS!!!

You Cant stop the bullies!

May 1st, 2011
10:00 am

I still think its funny all you think they have a real chance against the bulls ..its real cute lmao

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
10:09 am

Hawks be ready for the godfather thugs(refs)…word on the street, the chief gangsta wants da Bulls to win so to generate boat loads of money and ratings especially if the pres comes to attend the EFC/finals?? Stay tuned for the drama………..sigh……….

Myrak43

May 1st, 2011
10:30 am

all you free Teague people are about to eat your words………… and finially see how Captain Kirk really helped us out.

I hope I am wrong. I hope Teague comes out and looks like Rondo

Rusty

May 1st, 2011
10:52 am

I watched ld play, he didnt play defense like jt,didn’t have his speed & wasn’t that great of a playmaker. JT has what it takes to be a rondo type of a pg if he is giving a real chance. As far as consistencey,who the hell on the team hasn’t showed inconsistency. It seemed fine for guy like JJ,jc1,& mb to stink it up in lot of games & not sitting for it.

J from the A

May 1st, 2011
11:00 am

In spite of the fact that I have been (more or less) a critic a Teague this year (see above post), I think he is going to do well this series. Maybe this is the optimistic fan in me speaking. I don’t know. But I expect for to really contribute.

Now, let’s just hope Marvin can come up big, too!

Cannot wait for game 1 tomorrow night. If the Hawks win tomorrow, I give them about a 50/50 chance on taking the series. If they lose tomorrow … well, I don’t want to think about that.

GO HAWKS!!!

doc

May 1st, 2011
11:29 am

Grandad
April 30th, 2011
3:08 pm

Think about it.
How muh thought we put into stopping rose?

Do you reckon, other teams;
put that much [if any] thought into stopping Joe?

really, not sure of your point there gd.. rose is an mvp in what his third year. jj is barely an all star declining in effectiveness.

liked the x &o’s. thanks.

Sleepy

May 1st, 2011
11:40 am

Rusty you dont follow basketball much do you ?

Why do you assume that Teague has earned the same amount of respect that a JJ or Crawford or even Marvin has earned ?

some of you live in straight fantasy land …..

Under your delusion Collins should be demanding to continue start also .

Buzz Sawya

May 1st, 2011
12:26 pm

I can’t understand why everyone is hopping on the C hicago Bull bandwagon,

Buzz Sawya

May 1st, 2011
12:34 pm

I can’t understand why everyone is riding the Chicago Bull bandwagon,just because Hinrich is injured every so called analyst has written the Hawks off.D Rose is good, but he is not a one man team,slow down Deng ,Boozer will be nonexistent like always against the Hawks, what you idiots fail to realize is that Indiana was a few big plays away from making that series totally different from what was the end result. So all you Bullsh*%ters think on that. Hawks for life BAIITCH!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2011
12:53 pm

People are riding the Bulls jock because they have a superstar — superstars almost without exception are needed to win in the playoffs — and the league’s best record. There is a valid point to be made that their record is inflated by their division, but even if you bring their division record down to what the Magic had they would still have an overall record tied with the Heat for best in the conference. Even if you account for their division they are still more than 10 games better than the Hawks on the season.

I do agree that if you get past each team’s best player the Hawks are arguably more talented than the Bulls, but in order for that to mean anything the Hawks will have to shut down the Bulls’ supporting cast the way they shut down the Magic supporting cast. And that’s going to be a lot harder if they can’t single cover Rose the way they did to Dwight.

Ant banks

May 1st, 2011
1:01 pm

teague will do well against rose. Our overall team and bench is better than chicago. The indy games should not have been that close. Hawks win in 6. Get your tix now. 3rd round will be hot.

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
1:05 pm

The Thunder fans get new shirts for a new series. All ASG will give [if anything] are those hideous towels I use when I am in the bathroom

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
1:12 pm

To: Slimjr

You be trippin’ me out with those not-so subtle references to criminal syndicates, secret societies and cabals. It’s like what Alonzo (Denzel Washington) said in ‘Training Day’ – “It’s not (about) ‘what happened,’ it’s ‘what you can prove.’” LOL

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
1:59 pm

From watching this Thunder/Grizz game, I think Teague needs major minutes come tomorrow

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
2:03 pm

We somehow swept Memphis this year, but they play basketball way better than we do (even without Rudy Gay).

If they lose to the Thunder, I highly doubt their GM and ownership will blame it on injuries like ASG/Sund would

The Game Has Changed

May 1st, 2011
2:17 pm

@Scott and Superiorblogman- Thats all I was trying to say. We will not live or die because of Hinrich. He is simple a complementary player. Nothing more or nothing less.

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
2:30 pm

@ Grandad 2:55 am post

Well let me ask you this. If Collins is such a great guy that boxes out, why does his man almost ALWAYS kill him on the boards? I mean, I can bring up many examples, from Noah, to Howard, to Andrew Bynum . . guys who all killed him on the boards. And it’s not like Collins is a good help defender either, so who is he helping out to allow his man to get all of those rebounds?

I mean, what’s more silly?

Calling Collins a guy who is good at boxing out, even though his man kills him on the boards? Or saying that he’s more likely to box out a guy who he is guarding after he shot the ball?

If he can’t keep the guy that he’s guarding off the boards, that means that he’s out of position to box the guy out, or even when he does box the guy out, the opposing player is more athletic enough to still get the rebound.

And if neither of those two are the case, and Collins is doing what he supposed to do, then I guess the blame would go on Horford and Smith for not grabbing the rebound? They do actually rebound though, unlike Collins.

Collins does do some good things as a team player, that doesn’t show up on the box score. There’s no doubt about that. But if the opposing team’s offense isn’t being ran through the man that he is guarding, he becomes a big liability out on the court.

He’s not going to get you extra possessions when it comes to offensive rebounds, and he’s not going to end possessions by grabbing defensive rebounds. Even the charges he tend to draw are limited.

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
2:31 pm

@2:25 am post . . not 2:55 am

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
2:39 pm

JOE WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATL TO BE THE #1 PG. HE ALSO PLAYED LESS MINUTES THIS YEAR (MISSED TIME)

PLAY HIM AT PG AND TEAGUE OFF BENCH

CRAWFORD BETTER NOT “GUARD” ROSE

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
2:40 pm

ROUND 2 STARTS TOMORROW AND NO ONE IS ON HERE WTF

WHERE ARE ALL THE DIEHARDS LIKE DRMARYB

superiorblogman

May 1st, 2011
2:40 pm

Grandad: I agree with you Collins and his boxing out is very critical to us because no other Hawk consistently boxes out

You Cant stop the bullies!

May 1st, 2011
2:43 pm

Yea u guys have a better team but ur stats say otherwise. We have one good player? Lmao yea and we’re still taking care of business and and definitely won’t lose to the bitch ass hawks…what a pathetic team and even more pathetic fans!,

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
2:48 pm

WE NEED TO PLAY WITH THE SAME HEART MEMPHIS IS PLAYING WITH RIGHT NOW

GO AFTER EVERY LOOSE BALL

THIS IS AMAZING TO SEE

THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG SERIES

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
2:51 pm

doc

“really, not sure of your point there gd..
rose is an mvp in what his third year.
jj is barely an all star declining in effectiveness”

doc – That was [sort of] my point;
(sorry, I was overly vague)
the Bulls have a “difference maker”,
while we have a highly paid, abstract,
ineffectual, “indifference maker”.

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
2:56 pm

We MUST start Teague tomorrow.

CHI will be rusty, Boozer is hurt, Rose may be.

We need to push the damn basketball like Memphis is doing. They are playing brilliantly right now

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
2:57 pm

Who does he box out though superior?

I mean, I can bring up a clip right now in which in a game we played against the Lakers, Collins was going out to help on a guy, but got back in time to put a body on Bynum. Problem is, he did it very lazily. Ball comes off the rim, and Bynum gets the rebound without even having to jump for the ball.

What Collins does is put a body on people after the shot goes up. That may technically be a “box out”, but if you don’t do it right, the other guy can still get the rebound. Ish . . let me bring the clip up, and see what you think about it.

This is from the Laker blowout right after the All-Star break. You can either watch the entire beatdown, or go to the 2:55 mark of the video.

If you watch the entire video, you will see instances of Collins finding his man and doing a weak box out. But all of those shots went in. But if you go to the 2:55 mark, you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about with that dude. Bynum didn’t even have to jump, and Collins reaction time was so slow, he didn’t get his hand up fast enough to get the rebound.

Bynum’s offensive rebound led to a Ron Artest 3.

And Bynum grabbed 15 rebounds that game . . 11 of which came with Collins in the game ( from my review of that game of the play-by-play. Collins only played 15 minutes in that game, and got outrebounded 11 – 4 vs Bynum. But dang, at least Collins did grab 4 rebounds. That’s damn good rebounding from him.

But how does Bynum grab 11 rebounds in 15 minutes vs Collins, if Collins is so great in boxing people out?

Worldwide Clyde

May 1st, 2011
3:08 pm

JeJe

DrMaryb is probably at church. On Sunday she go from the church in the morning to the club at night. She should be on later.

Memphis is playing well because of ball movement. They keep the ball in the hands of their point guard instead of passing to a big early into the shot clock.

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
3:10 pm

northcyde

” I mean, what’s more silly? ”

You, my friend, are right – does that make me Supercilious !

Worldwide Clyde

May 1st, 2011
3:11 pm

Hawks in 7

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
3:37 pm

It’s hard not to be a little envious at how Memphis is playing and what they have assembled there.

- a go-to low post player who can create his own shot and make it ( Zebo )

- a solid center who can defend, rebound, and score adequately ( Gasol )

- a solid PG that looks to get into the lane and create for others ( Conley )

- a defensive stopper who can guard PGs, SGs, and SFs ( Allen )

- another defensive stopper who can guard SG and SFs ( Battier )

- an offense first guard who can score the basketball ( Mayo )

- and role players who play within their limitations and team structure ( Arthur, Young, Vasquez )

And most of all, they play DEFENSE and REBOUND the basketball.

And all of this without their most athletic and dynamic offensive player not even playing ( Gay )

All 9 guys play together and understand what each can do as individuals. An impressive win by that team today. Just a surgical dismantling of a real good team. I hope we can duplicate what they did tomorrow night. It may not look the same, but maybe we can achieve the same result.

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
3:40 pm

IF MEMPHIS CAN BEAT OKC WITHOUT GAY, WE CAN BEAT CHICAGO WITHOUT HINRICH

LET TEAGUE PLAY. VAN EXEL, KEEP TEAGUE MAD

TIME TO SEE THE CELTICS WIN. I HOPE BIBBY SUFFERS VS. RONDO

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
3:40 pm

Simply put, the Hawks need to do against the Bulls what the Grizz just did against the Thunder, play with testicular fortitude.

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
3:43 pm

“JeJe

DrMaryb is probably at church. On Sunday she go from the church in the morning to the club at night. She should be on later.

Memphis is playing well because of ball movement. They keep the ball in the hands of their point guard instead of passing to a big early into the shot clock.”

FIRE LD

terrell

May 1st, 2011
3:46 pm

Go Grizzlies. Go Celtics.

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
3:49 pm

northcyde

I realize you are the purveyor of all B-ball knowledge ?

” But how does Bynum grab 11 rebounds in 15 minutes vs Collins,
if Collins is so great in boxing people out? ”

Bynum played 26 min. gathered 15 rebs
Collins only played 15 min.
[you *claim A.B. got 11 rebs during those 15 min]
*(that claim sounds absurd – but if you say it’s so) ?

My Much Larger Point ! ! !
Bynum had 15 rebs with 11 being defensive rebs.
(I looked it up)
So, only ” FOUR ” were offensive rebs.

A player can only miss a box-out if it results in an offensive reb.
*[agreed] I don’t care if you do or not – it’s a fact.

So, Collins could have only missed ” FOUR ” box-outs all nite !

If one thinks logically & rationally;
Collins = 15 min
Bynum = 26 min
one would think that maybe 1 or 2 were -vs- another player.
Now we are talking about him missing two or three box outs.

_____________________________________________________

Admit, that even the Grand Stat Wizard doesn’t understand basketball.

When he doesn’t realize that an off-player does not box-out a def-player.
[to prevent him from acquiring def rebs]

I would make a reference to a banned former blogger,
but I would not want to insult Wingnut.

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
3:56 pm

Yeah Grandad. It’s absurd.

But it’s not like you can’t go back and see if it’s true or not. See Grandad, you may not like all of the stats and things that I give out. But I usually don’t come out of left field with things. I’m just the type that tends to pay extreme attention to detail. I try to see if my perception is actually matching up with what is really going on.

It’s just that when I research stuff, I know how to do it and know exactly where to look. So that enables me to do it fairly quickly.

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
3:57 pm

If we played against this Boston/Miami defense, we’d probably score 30 points, given our jump-shooting “offense”

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
4:04 pm

12:00 Start of the 1st Quarter
12:00 0-0 Jumpball: Josh Smith vs. Andrew Bynum (Kobe Bryant gains possession)
11:45 0-0 Kobe Bryant misses 17-foot jumper
11:45 Mike Bibby defensive rebound 0-0
11:32 Mike Bibby bad pass (Kobe Bryant steals) 0-0
11:26 0-2 Derek Fisher makes 19-foot jumper
11:03 Al Horford misses driving dunk 0-2
11:00 0-2 Derek Fisher defensive rebound
10:56 0-2 Ron Artest out of bounds lost ball turnover
10:41 Joe Johnson misses 20-foot jumper 0-2
10:41 0-2 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
10:26 0-4 Derek Fisher makes 19-foot jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
10:00 Josh Smith misses 26-foot three point jumper 0-4
9:59 0-4 Pau Gasol defensive rebound
9:48 0-6 Derek Fisher makes 21-foot jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
9:33 Joe Johnson bad pass (Derek Fisher steals) 0-6
9:27 0-8 Kobe Bryant makes 19-foot jumper
9:04 Joe Johnson makes dunk 2-8
8:49 Jason Collins personal foul (Andrew Bynum draws the foul) 2-8
8:36 2-8 Ron Artest misses 23-foot three point jumper
8:36 2-8 Andrew Bynum offensive rebound
8:36 2-8 shot clock turnover
8:26 2-8 Kobe Bryant personal foul (Mike Bibby draws the foul)
8:14 Al Horford makes 19-foot jumper (Joe Johnson assists) 4-8
8:02 4-8 Ron Artest offensive charge (Jason Collins draws the foul)
8:02 4-8 Ron Artest turnover
7:41 Josh Smith misses 22-foot jumper 4-8
7:41 4-8 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
7:30 4-10 Pau Gasol makes 20-foot jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
7:13 Joe Johnson misses 24-foot three point jumper 4-10
7:11 4-10 Pau Gasol defensive rebound
6:52 4-10 Derek Fisher misses 20-foot jumper
6:52 Al Horford defensive rebound 4-10
6:37 Mike Bibby misses three point jumper 4-10
6:35 4-10 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
6:24 4-10 Josh Smith blocks Kobe Bryant’s 8-foot jumper
6:22 Jason Collins defensive rebound 4-10
6:18 Joe Johnson makes driving layup 6-10
5:56 Joe Johnson shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul) 6-10
5:56 Los Angeles full timeout
5:56 Jamal Crawford enters the game for Mike Bibby 6-10
5:56 Marvin Williams enters the game for Jason Collins 6-10

***************
4 rebounds in 6 minutes for Bynum during this time frame, by the play by play

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
4:10 pm

5:05 Jason Collins enters the game for Josh Smith 27-36
5:05 27-37 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2
4:41 Jamal Crawford misses layup 27-37
4:41 27-37 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
4:30 27-40 Lamar Odom makes three point jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
4:07 Jamal Crawford misses 26-foot three point jumper 27-40
4:07 Atlanta defensive team rebound 27-40
4:07 Marvin Williams enters the game for Jamal Crawford 27-40
3:59 Al Horford shooting foul (Lamar Odom draws the foul) 27-40
3:59 27-41 Lamar Odom makes free throw 1 of 2
3:59 Maurice Evans enters the game for Al Horford 27-41
3:59 27-42 Lamar Odom makes free throw 2 of 2
3:47 27-42 Ron Artest personal foul (Mike Bibby draws the foul)
3:47 27-42 Shannon Brown enters the game for Ron Artest
3:41 Marvin Williams misses 17-foot jumper 27-42
3:40 Jason Collins offensive rebound 27-42
3:35 Mike Bibby misses 27-foot three point jumper 27-42
3:34 27-42 Lamar Odom defensive rebound
3:16 27-42 Lamar Odom offensive charge (Jason Collins draws the foul)
3:16 27-42 Lamar Odom turnover
3:02 Joe Johnson misses 9-foot jumper 27-42
3:01 27-42 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound
2:46 Mike Bibby shooting foul (Derek Fisher draws the foul) 27-42
2:46 Atlanta full timeout
2:46 27-42 Pau Gasol enters the game for Lamar Odom
2:46 27-43 Derek Fisher makes free throw 1 of 2
2:46 27-44 Derek Fisher makes free throw 2 of 2
2:30 Maurice Evans misses 17-foot jumper 27-44
2:29 27-44 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
2:11 27-44 Derek Fisher misses 20-foot jumper
2:10 Maurice Evans defensive rebound 27-44
1:58 Andrew Bynum blocks Marvin Williams’s jumper 27-44
1:57 27-44 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
1:57 Maurice Evans personal foul (Andrew Bynum draws the foul) 27-44
1:57 27-45 Andrew Bynum makes free throw 1 of 2
1:57 27-45 Andrew Bynum misses free throw 2 of 2
1:55 Jason Collins defensive rebound 27-45
1:39 Joe Johnson misses 18-foot jumper 27-45
1:38 27-45 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
1:34 Maurice Evans shooting foul (Derek Fisher draws the foul) 27-45
1:34 27-46 Derek Fisher makes free throw 1 of 2
1:34 Jamal Crawford enters the game for Maurice Evans 27-46
1:34 27-47 Derek Fisher makes free throw 2 of 2
1:15 Jamal Crawford misses three point jumper 27-47
1:14 27-47 Derek Fisher defensive rebound
1:07 27-49 Pau Gasol makes 4-foot two point shot
1:07 Jason Collins shooting foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul) 27-49
1:07 27-49 Pau Gasol misses free throw 1 of 1
1:06 Marvin Williams defensive rebound 27-49
0:52 Joe Johnson makes 6-foot two point shot (Marvin Williams assists) 29-49
0:42 29-51 Andrew Bynum makes slam dunk (Kobe Bryant assists)
0:35 29-51 Andrew Bynum personal foul (Joe Johnson draws the foul)
0:35 29-51 Steve Blake enters the game for Kobe Bryant
0:31 29-51 Shannon Brown personal foul (Joe Johnson draws the foul)
0:31 Joe Johnson makes free throw 1 of 2 30-51
0:31 Joe Johnson makes free throw 2 of 2 31-51
0:13 Jason Collins shooting foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul) 31-51
0:13 31-52 Pau Gasol makes free throw 1 of 2
0:13 31-53 Pau Gasol makes free throw 2 of 2
0:02 Joe Johnson makes 16-foot jumper 33-53
0:00 Mike Bibby personal foul (Steve Blake draws the foul) 33-53
0:00 33-54 Steve Blake makes free throw 1 of 2
0:00 33-54 Steve Blake misses free throw 2 of 2
0:00 Marvin Williams defensive rebound 33-54

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4 rebounds in 5 minutes for Bynum during this time period. By my count, he got 8 rebounds in 11 minutes in the 1st half. In fairness in Collins, one of Bynum’s rebounds came off of a block shot.

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
4:14 pm

12:00 Start of the 3rd Quarter
11:44 33-54 Ron Artest shooting foul (Josh Smith draws the foul)
11:44 Josh Smith misses free throw 1 of 2 33-54
11:44 Atlanta offensive team rebound 33-54
11:44 Josh Smith makes free throw 2 of 2 34-54
11:32 34-54 Andrew Bynum offensive foul (Joe Johnson draws the foul)
11:32 34-54 Andrew Bynum turnover
11:18 Josh Smith misses 21-foot jumper 34-54
11:17 34-54 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
11:03 34-54 Derek Fisher misses jumper
11:02 Jason Collins defensive rebound 34-54
10:48 Josh Smith makes dunk (Joe Johnson assists) 36-54
10:23 36-54 Joe Johnson blocks Pau Gasol’s 6-foot jumper
10:22 Al Horford defensive rebound 36-54
10:19 Jumpball: Josh Smith vs. Andrew Bynum (Jason Collins gains possession) 36-54
10:03 36-54 Kobe Bryant flagrant foul type 1 (Josh Smith draws the foul)
10:03 Josh Smith misses flagrant free throw 1 of 2 36-54
10:03 Atlanta offensive team rebound 36-54
10:03 Josh Smith misses flagrant free throw 2 of 2 36-54
10:03 Atlanta offensive team rebound 36-54
9:52 Mike Bibby misses 24-foot three point jumper 36-54
9:52 36-54 Derek Fisher defensive rebound
9:41 36-57 Kobe Bryant makes 26-foot three point jumper (Derek Fisher assists)
9:26 Joe Johnson bad pass 36-57
9:10 36-57 Pau Gasol misses 14-foot jumper
9:08 Josh Smith defensive rebound 36-57
8:57 Andrew Bynum blocks Joe Johnson’s 8-foot jumper 36-57
8:56 Al Horford offensive rebound 36-57
8:53 Josh Smith makes 20-foot jumper (Al Horford assists) 38-57
8:30 Jason Collins shooting foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul) 38-57
8:30 38-58 Pau Gasol makes free throw 1 of 2
8:30 38-59 Pau Gasol makes free throw 2 of 2
8:18 Al Horford misses 20-foot jumper 38-59
8:18 38-59 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
8:07 38-59 Pau Gasol misses 17-foot jumper
8:07 38-59 Andrew Bynum offensive rebound
8:03 38-62 Ron Artest makes 26-foot three point jumper (Andrew Bynum assists)
7:43 Jason Collins misses 15-foot jumper 38-62
7:43 Atlanta offensive team rebound 38-62
7:43 Jamal Crawford enters the game for Mike Bibby 38-62
7:43 Marvin Williams enters the game for Jason Collins 38-62

*****************

3 more rebounds for Bynum in a little over 4 minutes during this time period.

Total rebounds . . 11 . . in around 15 minutes total playing time.

But some of you never believe anything. LOL . . it’s cool. But like I said, when I cite something, I know where to look.

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
4:35 pm

START ZAZA AND TEAGUE

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
4:53 pm

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
3:49 pm

northcyde

I realize you are the purveyor of all B-ball knowledge ?

” But how does Bynum grab 11 rebounds in 15 minutes vs Collins,
if Collins is so great in boxing people out? ”

Bynum played 26 min. gathered 15 rebs
Collins only played 15 min.
[you *claim A.B. got 11 rebs during those 15 min]
*(that claim sounds absurd – but if you say it’s so) ?

My Much Larger Point ! ! !
Bynum had 15 rebs with 11 being defensive rebs.
(I looked it up)
So, only ” FOUR ” were offensive rebs.

A player can only miss a box-out if it results in an offensive reb.
*[agreed] I don’t care if you do or not – it’s a fact.

So, Collins could have only missed ” FOUR ” box-outs all nite !

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LOL . . I missed this.

So you’re praising Collins for missing 4 box outs in 15 minutes? So that means had Collins played 30 minutes, he could’ve possibly given up 8 offensive rebounds to Bynum. In what basketball world is this a good thing Grandad?

If he missed 4 box outs in 15 minutes, that’s absolutely horrible . . seeing that Bynum averages 4 offensive rebounds in 30 minutes. Bynum reached his season average vs Collins in half the time. And that’s the reason why when we played the Lakers two weeks later in Atlanta, Collins didn’t even play.

Bynum still killed us on the boards ( 16 rebounds . . 4 offensive . . in 35 minutes ). But at least Drew had sense enough to play Horford at center and give Zaza extended minutes, to try to offset what Bynum was doing. Horford had 9 rebounds in that game. Zaza had 10 rebounds in 22 minutes ( 6 offensive ). And instead of us getting blown out from the jump, the Lakers gradually pulled away from us, taking command in the 3rd quarter.

LOL @ praising a dude for “only” giving up 4 offensive rebounds an 11 defensive rebounds in 15 minutes. Come on Grandad. You know better than that.

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
4:53 pm

Message to Smoove, JT, and Marvin:

Prove me wrong for all my written and verbal criticsms against you guys and help the Hawks secure a Game 1 victory against the Bulls this Monday. After the victory, I will gladly eat two large servings of (baked or fried) crow and a huge slice of humble pie while washing it all down with a 44oz. glass of Hatorade (also spelled Haterade or Hater-aid). BTW, you know Hatorade comes in only one color – green, as in “green with envy.”

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
5:00 pm

Technically . . Bynum had 2 offensive rebouns and 9 defensive rebounds vs Collins. But that doesn’t make it any better. For a guy who has no offense ran through him, you’d think that his box outs would prevent him from getting defensive rebounds. Someone else should’ve been gobbling up the defensive boards if Bynum had a body on him.

But I guess the excuse would be that Collins was setting good screens for our “motion offense”, and those screens had him out of position to put a body on Bynum when a shot was missed.

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
5:01 pm

northcyde

I really don’t give a crap about how fast you can research.

If you’re researching the wrong thing,
why are you patting yourself on the back ?

“In fairness in Collins,
one of Bynum’s rebounds came off of a block shot” — nc –

Why won’t you acknowledge,
that defensive rebs have no merit in the conversastion.

I’ll bet:
you vote republican, watch Fox News, Listen to Carnival Barkers;
such as Linbough, Hannity, et al, & cried when they yanked Beck,
and you have a secret crush on Sarah Palin.

editors note:
the preceding paragraph was for comedic value and in no way mean’t
to disparage the good name of one Mr North Cyde, of Clarksvegas, Tn.

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
5:06 pm

I wouldn’t mind that at all JeJe. If Drew still wants to stay big, put Zaza in the middle and let him battle with Noah for a while. See if he can get under Joakim’s skin, while getting rebounds in the process.

ant banks

May 1st, 2011
5:10 pm

HELP!!!

PLEASE EXPLAIN THE VARYING DEGREES OF PLAYER READINESS FOR GAMES:

probable
questionable
doubtful

these all seem synonymous to me…

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
5:12 pm

Good win by Memphis. I have watched them a lot the past year and a half. The thing with them when you have two inside guys like that and play defense and have a solid point guard, ut can really makes a difference. . I think they play better without Gay. Vasquez is a good point guard and Conley the way he play reminds me a lot of Kenny Anderson. I liked him at Ohip State. Looking at Memphis and Oklahoma City those teams will be the future teams of the West while I think the Heat Bulls and to a lesser extent Hawks, Knicks Pacers, Philly will be the next teams in the east battling for the next 4-5 years. I dont count the Lakers or Celtics because they are on the downside of their championship runs

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
5:26 pm

Grandad . . you’ve watched much more basketball than I have. You got to see a player that I’ve only get to see on youtube. And that’s the great Bill Russell.

You think Bill Russell would be cool with letting his man dominate him on the boards, even when he puts a body on him? How about Wilt? How about Moses Malone? Shoot . . how about Dennis Rodman?

To say that defensive rebounds have no merit in the convo is just false. If Collins boxes his man out, and that prevents him from getting the rebound, that means that some other player should be gobbling up the board.

And maybe, just maybe, we get an offensive board because Collins successfully prevents Bynum from getting to that rebound. But in that game, that obviously wasn’t the case.

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
5:35 pm

..

BILLY KNIGHT

May 1st, 2011
5:37 pm

northcyde Collins is the reason the hawks beat magic, with out collins the series would be over, plus why are you arguing about collins when the guy is the big body defender in the paint who makes a different on defense.

J from the A

May 1st, 2011
5:39 pm

I’m sure you guys have caught MC’s tweet, but just in case you haven’t:

“Drew says he’s yet to settle on GM 1 lineup. Teague and Crawford both have practiced as No. 1 PG. #Hawks #Bulls”

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
5:40 pm

Brig . . the Lakers and Celtics will always be able to acquire the star type players though. I could easily see the Lakers acquiring a Chris Paul or Dwight Howard, because they have an asset in Bynum that they can trade to a team that could potentially lose their star player for nothing.

If you’re the Lakers for example, you’d tell Orlando that Bynum or Gasol can be had in a sign and trade for Howard ( especially if it is believed that he won’t re-sign with the Illusion .. aka the Magic ). If you’re the Magic, how could you turn that down? Instead of losing Howard for nothing, you gain a Gasol or Bynum? To make the numbers work, maybe you throw in a Ron Artest.

Either way, the Lakers would be set for the next 3 – 4 years. You’d still have Kobe, who may still be playing at an all-star level 4 years from now, and you add a frontline beast in Howard. Even if Kobe is the complimentary player by that point, the Lakers would be a factor.

Or you could make that same type of deal with New Orleans, and acquire Chris Paul.

In Boston’s case, they have a tremendous expiring contract in Garnett next year ( 21.2 million ). And Ray Allen’s deal expires next year too ( 10 million ). So if Orlando wanted significant cap relief, they could trade a number of their players to the Celtics ( including Howard ), and rebuild. If Boston fails, look for KG to be moved to a team wanting cap relief, and the Celtics receiving a dang good player in return.

In my opinion, Boston nor LA are going anywhere anytime soon. They will simply reload. Both teams have too many tradeable assets that they can use.

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
5:42 pm

northcyde

If a player is on offense;
how is he supposed to box-out a player who’s on defense?

That’s all I’m saying.

________________________________________________

Time inject a bit of humor, what say ?
________________________________________________

The five senses are:
horse sense
concupiscence
common sense
innocence
-&-
nonsense

If you could Only pick one which would You choose ?

* I [no doubt] would pick concupiscence !

BILLY KNIGHT

May 1st, 2011
5:44 pm

Collins may have started 10 games all year and the hawks did good when he started, HORFORD, JOSH, is just to small to defend the paint thats why the hawks was rank 27th in rebounding because of the smallish line up, last year in the playoffs agianst the magic horford look like he wanted no part of dwight and it showed because all of dwight point where dunk, and hawks loss by AVG 25 points a game.

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
5:45 pm

_____________________________________

Time *[to] inject a bit of humor, what say ?
_____________________________________

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
5:46 pm

Brig . . the Lakers and Celtics will always be able to acquire the star type players though. I could easily see the Lakers acquiring a Chris Paul or Dwight Howard, because they have an asset in Bynum that they can trade to a team that could potentially lose their star player for nothing.

If you’re the Lakers for example, you’d tell Orlando that Bynum or Gasol can be had in a sign and trade for Howard ( especially if it is believed that he won’t re-sign with the Illusion .. aka the Magic ). If you’re the Magic, how could you turn that down? Instead of losing Howard for nothing, you gain a Gasol or Bynum? To make the numbers work, maybe you throw in a Ron Artest.

Either way, the Lakers would be set for the next 3 – 4 years. You’d still have Kobe, who may still be playing at an all-star level 4 years from now, and you add a frontline beast in Howard. Even if Kobe is the complimentary player by that point, the Lakers would be a factor.

Or you could make that same type of deal with New Orleans, and acquire Chris Paul.

In Boston’s case, they have a tremendous expiring contract in Garnett next year ( 21.2 million ). And Ray Allen’s deal expires next year too ( 10 million ). So if Orlando wanted significant cap relief, they could trade a number of their players to the Celtics ( including Howard ), and rebuild. If Boston fails, look for KG to be moved to a team wanting cap relief, and the Celtics receiving a dang good player in return.

In my opinion, Boston nor LA are going anywhere anytime soon. They will simply reload. Both teams have too many tradeable assets that they can use.

northclyde good points but cant you see okc or memphis if they keep their teams intact and make moves here and there win a title within the next 5 years?What about teams like the Heat or Chicago or even the Knicks if they were to get say CP3?I see you on the Lakers if they get Howard or CP3 but what for argument sake say the Hawks could get Howard?I see Deron staying in NJ cp3 possibly ny i think Chicago is set other than getting a two guard. I am not sure with Boston cause it will be hard to replace Garnet and Allen and even Pierce cause they are on the downside of their careers

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
5:47 pm

Zebo is unstoppable on the Low block!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Hey AllStar Al, are you watching..Thats how your supposed to be ballin.and need to in order for your team to advance to the ECF…..Yeah you not Joe, You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Mandigo, fyi the longer I live the more lies I uncover…We live in a matrix thats based on a multitude of falsehoods and major suppression of knowledge and technology because our enemy is the Master Liar…….But the good book says all secrets will be revealed!!!!!! Ask your self this, why are we paying $4.12 for a gallon of gas today in Atlanta when our country owns the worlds largest oil reserves???? Our reserves look like the Atlantic Ocean compared to Saudi Arabia…We have 2 reserves holdng at least a 10 thousand year supply of oil to fully fuel the country daily…Welcome to the Matrix man…………………..

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
5:47 pm

BILLY KNIGHT

May 1st, 2011
5:37 pm

northcyde Collins is the reason the hawks beat magic, with out collins the series would be over, plus why are you arguing about collins when the guy is the big body defender in the paint who makes a different on defense.

**************************

Mr. Knight . . nice for you to drop in. But have you been reading anything that I’ve typed about Jason Collins for the last 2 – 3 months? Jason is most effective when he can guard a center that has offense ran through him in the halfcourt. Dwight Howard represents one of those types of players. And while Collins didn’t necessarily stop him, he did do enough to disrupt his game, especially in the turnover department. Collins was definitely needed vs the Illusion.

The Bulls, however, are not the Illusion. And Noah isn’t Howard. Noah is a garbage rebounding collecting big, who is extremely active off of pick and rolls and and run the floor. Unfortunately for us, Jason Collins does not fare well vs those types of players.

Before this season, Horford pretty much had his way with Noah.

LOL @ Paul Pierce’s soft azz. That was not a flagrant foul. That was a foul preventing him from getting the shot up, even if it was from 20 feet away. So does he get suspended for that minor headbutt he gave James Jones, like Zaza did with Richardson?

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
5:56 pm

Attention: Larry Drew

Whether you win or lose tomorrow, after the post-game presser, please don’t use the word/term “irregardless” when answering questions, making points or providing comments. “Irregardless” is a non-standard English term and considered a poor choice word. The term “irregardless” is also deemed as redundant and is usually used to express emphasis.(Technically, the word, “irregardless,” does not exist.) You remind me of Sarah Palin and her use of the term “refudiate” (a vulgar portmanteau [word] of “refute” and “repudiate”). Please use either the terms “irrespective” or “regardless.” I am not a grammarian, I do not possess a Ph.D., in English, and I am not some self-proclaimed expert in the English language. I make mistakes all the time. Just stop using the term “irregardless.” I want you, LD, to present yourself to the national media as intelligent, knowledg[e]able, educated, qualified, dignified, sophisticated and not as some token hire. Maybe at the end of this year’s Hawks’ playoff run, the powers-that-be may officially admit “irregardless” to the English language like, I think, they (officially or unofficially) admitted “refudiate” for Sarah Palin. (LOL)

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
5:57 pm

Yeah Allstar AL got punked against Dwight last year and would have again if Larry did not make the switch..Allstar Al had publicly stated his natural position is PF and that he is not as big as his daddy…

Poor Al! Cut the Sh-t and play ball dude!!!!!!!! Your big azz is on TNT, dont embarrass our City tomorrow night dude……………..Tear down the freaking RIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude if I were your coach I have you crying for mercy..

Drop down and give us 50 pushups and run around this Gym for a mile, today, tomorrow, and the foreseeable future………………………..

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
6:03 pm

Hey Billy Knight, the self proclaimed “BasketBall Expert”, go take a swim in the Atlantic. I hear Jaws is looking for men like you……You big Dummy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Worst GM in Hawks HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

northcyde

May 1st, 2011
6:12 pm

@ Grandad . . . it’s kind of hard to argue against physical evidence, isn’t it? The great offensive rebounders that have every played in the NBA have found a way to box out a defensive player, and get an offensive rebound . . or prevent that defensive player from getting the rebound.

Rebounding is one of the biggest issues we have as a team, both on the offensive and defensive end. It wasn’t a coincidence that we won Game 6, when we gathered 14 offensive rebounds. Rebounding was the difference in Memphis beating San Antonio, and winning Game 1 today in Oklahoma City.

Players who are on offense box out players who are on defense all the time, especially when they desire to get the offensive rebound. And that’s the major issue with Noah . . because he will consistently do this when the Bulls are on offense. And when he is on defense, he’ll be all over the boards.

Great rebounders tend to play the same way on both ends of the floor. And I would think that a player who fundamentally boxes out on one end, would do the same thing on the other end, especially when no offense is being run through him.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
6:16 pm

The Real Mandingo!

That word, or shall we say, non-word “irregardless” drives you over the edge, much like the abuse of the word “consistant” being consistently misspelled drives me to the brink of a nervous break down.

Word – Up!

LOL

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
6:17 pm

DELONTE AT THE FT LINE WITH LEBRON LOOKING AT HIM. LOL

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
6:19 pm

BIBBY WITH 3 POINTS IN 21 MINUTES

WOW WHAT A FACTOR

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
6:21 pm

I would feel better if the Hawks had a player that is a banger rebounder type like a Reggie Evans or Kevin Love or going back Wes Unseld, Dave Cowens, Oakley, Michael Cage type player. Horford or Smith or going to have to crash the boards and average over 11 rebounds a game because this series will be won in the trenches

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
6:22 pm

Hey drmary, JeJe been looking for ya??????LOL

Shes back JeJe!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wabe

May 1st, 2011
6:24 pm

I’ll go ahead and say this.

And this isn’t a cop out.

But, Drew’s gonna plug a 2nd year PG into the lineup for some of the biggest games this year for Hawks when he’s shown no trust in him all season. So now, if Teague doesn’t perform up to everybody’s standards, I can already see people coming out bashing the kid. But remember, before you bash Teague, bash coach for not giving this kid enough PT to prepare for a moment like this.

But, I’m optimistic Teague will be better than most might think. He might not give you the jumpers Hinrich can, but he’ll most surely add other elements to the offense with his ability to penetrate and also possibly kick our transition game up a notch.

We’ll see.

Free Jeff Teague

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
6:25 pm

“DELONTE AT THE FT LINE WITH LEBRON”

His Future Step Daddy?…Wow……

Rip: Phebe Snow…. “I am the poetry Man.I make things alright!”

Sleepy

May 1st, 2011
6:27 pm

Wabe its not Drew responsibility to teach Teague how to be a PG .

This is the pros to blame Drew for Teagues inconsistency is is crazy .

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
6:29 pm

JeJe

In the tunnel, LeBron probably said, “We won” and DeLonte retorts,
“Yo Mamma … Didn’t say that last night!”

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
6:30 pm

Give me two months to work with teague on his J.He’ll have one of the best in the league!!!!!

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
6:36 pm

northcyde

The most amazing thing about today’s players
[you alluded to Russell & Chamberlain]
is the sissyfication of the players. Period.

In the olden days, there was more finesse,
yet the players were tougher and more hard nosed.
(sounds like a paradox)

Todays players are buffed up & puffed up.
Bigger, stronger, louder, trashier talking, &
look at…me…me…me…!

Today’s game is more one on one,
Iso-JoeSchmoe, or pick & roll. (2 man game)

Used to be team, 5 man weave, feed the post,
every team had a Center, every team Could screen
and Would cut.

Each team had two guards but no two-guards or point-guards.

Best of all – officials were rarely noticed.
definition of a good ref = you don’t realize they’re there.
Stern was unheard of.
Players didn’t whine. (it would have been considered unmanly)
Those times predated “Jordan Rules” (Wade, LbJ, et al)
They had names like;
Pogo, Cooz, Frosty, Bevo, Googs, Hap, Butterbean, & Slats.

Thanks nc for prompting my little romp with nostalgia.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
6:41 pm

“WHERE ARE ALL THE DIEHARDS LIKE DRMARYB”
________________

I’m lurking in the wings and, then Wham-Bam! I pop out,
like a thief in the night. LOL!

Gotta’ get my mind right JeJe for Monday night. I will be on here raising hell, when them refs blow the whistle and make bad calls.

That’s one thing we can all count on is the bad whistles and no calls.

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
6:42 pm

The most amazing thing about today’s players
[you alluded to Russell & Chamberlain]
is the sissyfication of the players. Period.

In the olden days, there was more finesse,
yet the players were tougher and more hard nosed.
(sounds like a paradox)

Todays players are buffed up & puffed up.
Bigger, stronger, louder, trashier talking, &
look at…me…me…me…!

Today’s game is more one on one,
Iso-JoeSchmoe, or pick & roll. (2 man game)

Used to be team, 5 man weave, feed the post,
every team had a Center, every team Could screen
and Would cut.

Each team had two guards but no two-guards or point-guards.

Best of all – officials were rarely noticed.
definition of a good ref = you don’t realize they’re there.
Stern was unheard of.
Players didn’t whine. (it would have been considered unmanly)
Those times predated “Jordan Rules” (Wade, LbJ, et al)
They had names like;
Pogo, Cooz, Frosty, Bevo, Googs, Hap, Butterbean, & Slats.

Thanks nc for prompting my little romp with nostalgia.

Grandad,

You bring up good points you know who brought the iso type of play in the league?Jordan did?I dont fault Jordan that is his style but before him game was much more team oriented. Also kids dont want to be two way players they just care about offense. That is why you dont see any inside players epsecially centers. They want to shoot jump shots and pick and pop. Even if you go back to the 90’s remember all the big man that were inside players. You can count the ones now on your hand and they are really finesse players as big men

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
6:46 pm

To: drmaryb

You just made my day! Like Larry Blackmon of Cameo said “Word Up is the code word…”

JeJe

May 1st, 2011
6:50 pm

Can’t believe Pierce got ejected for that

Go Celtics

Grandad

May 1st, 2011
6:55 pm

brigadierjerry = Co-[dang]-Sign

Having coached at the HS level,
youngsters (6-8 and up) and I had a bunch,
all saw themselves as small forwards [3's].

You had to almost beat ‘em with a 2 X 4 to
get ‘em in the post.
“But coach, I’m a shooter”

Duncan & Garnett both 7 ftrs. refused to be listed at 7ft.
Both will go down in history as power forwards [4's].
-Why- ?
If Russell were listed as a power forward,
he would clearly be the best of all time.

It baffles me.

Just do it / just play ball / team ball.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
7:29 pm

The Real Mandingo!

Cameo, Roger Troutman & Zapp, The Dazz Band all opened The Show for:

The Gap Band! at The Bell Auditorium in Augusta, GA
somewhere around 1976 or so. I’ll never forget it because that was my first concert @ age 13. My Mamma let me go there with my big cousins who had driver’s licenses around age 16.

Man, those were the days! Cameo – Alligator Woman!
Where did they get those song names from?
What in the hell is an Alligator Woman? Eeww Wee …

chitown brown

May 1st, 2011
7:31 pm

i thought that NICK VAN EXEL was supposed to be helping TEAGUE get that “inner dog.” the van exel’s obviously have that “inner dog” seeing how the son murdered someone…

chicago in 4 games.

S.A.N.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
7:39 pm

790 The Zone!

Just left Taco Mac (ate too much and feeling miserable), I hate that.
I heard Spolestra say, “Wade has had a few days of introspective on how the Celtics defend him. They play the best defense on him and Wade has figured how to “crack the code.”
__________________

“Cracked the Code” is a very interesting way of seeing things.
Mr. Johnson needs to sample that idea and stop letting games occur where defenders thwart his entire offensive game in games.

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
7:46 pm

drmaryb,

Cameo, brings back some memories good group. I dont know if you watch the show unsung comes on tvone , they profile artists like those and teena marie, melba moore, donny hataway, mikki howard, heatwave, ojays,. It is a great show. That was when people actually knew how to sing!!

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
7:55 pm

I don’t see what Pierce did wrong to be ejected. Did he say something?
I didn’t see his lips moving. Very bad call and may have cost them a win.

They got it down to 8 with plenty of time left. Were the refs holding a grudge from the previous little head butt? LOL! Trying to be like
the Georgia Boyz:

Evander Holyfield
ZaZa Pachulia

vava74

May 1st, 2011
8:01 pm

northcyde,

Not that I disagree completely from what you say about Collins but doesn’t this prove you wrong?

http://www.nba.com/statscube/team-vs-player.html#Bulls-vs-Jason-Collins|1610612741,2215;season=r

You may have already dispelled the contents of this page, but since I have not been following the blog close, I didn’t notice it.

The stats cube says that with Collins on the floor, CHI rebounds per 48 minutes less than with Collins on the bench.

Collins is obviously not a very good rebounder but he does influence space in the paint. Also, he draws charges like few and not only from bigs.

He looks slower than he in fact is since he beats even small agile players to the spot.

Someone said around here that he should be on the floor when Kurt Thomas is inserted in the game.

Maybe. But against K. Thomas I would prefer to see Etan. Both are slow and rugged and would neutralise one another, so Kurt Thomas would not punk Al as he usually does.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
8:23 pm

Brigadierjerry

I never saw that show “Unsung” but, I will definitely watch it next time.
I’m watching Terry Crews now. Terry is one lucky dude.
How did he get on? I think it’s his body built with loads of muscles.
What a late bloomer?

Reminds me of Danny Glover, dude got his first role at age 45 years.
Wasn’t Danny washing dishes in LA, when that call came from Spielberg for: The Color Purple?

vava74

May 1st, 2011
8:33 pm

How terrible is LD as an Head Coach?

Listen (read):

“The decision that I have to kind of ponder is whether to disrupt what we do off the bench versus just going back and starting [Crawford],” Drew said. “The last few days, we’ve looked at both situations. The things we’ve done, we’ve used them in the starting lineup and out of the starting lineup.”

With the above he is clearly stating that he will only start Teague not because he has trust in him as a valid replacement for Hinrich BUT ONLY BECAUSE he may not want to disrupt Jamal’s thing off the bench.

Heck, why doesn’t he say out loud in a press conference: I believe that Teague sucks and I prefer to go to war against a PG who is the league’s MVP with a makeshift PG who is unable to guard his own shadow…

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
8:35 pm

you know that is funny i was watching the crews show too. I didnt know they moved to NY. He is one of those actors you dont notice until he becomes somewhat famous. He has been in a lot of movies I am sure you have seen such as Fridays everybody hates chris, the benchwarmers I actually remember him he played in the NFL for about 7-8 years them went to start acting

vava74

May 1st, 2011
8:35 pm

drmaryb,

Terry Crew rocks. His performance on White Chicks was epic!

Worldwide Clyde

May 1st, 2011
8:46 pm

Teague!!!!!!!!!!!!

vava74

May 1st, 2011
8:48 pm

Clyde,

What’s up man? Did you wake from a bad dream?

LD has already said everything with the above: Teague will play little and only as an excuse for Jamal to continue to come off the bench.

vava74

May 1st, 2011
8:50 pm

You can now diversify your business:

Instead of T-shirts exclusively directed at the “fire – whoever is the head coach” marked, you should have “free teague” Ts on the printers already.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
8:57 pm

VaVa & Brigadierjerry!

Have I been living under a rock? The NFL? Dang! I first saw him on
Everybody Hates Chris … a show I only discovered 10 months ago along with Family Matters. When, these shows first came on, I was in the Clubs and Partying I guess.

I’ve seen every episode of Chris and Erkle just this past 11 months.
Great shows. I am catching up on Sanford & Son and Good Times now.
LOL! But, Terry Crews was in Fridays? Wow! I thought he was a new kid on the block. I love this man’s work. Also, because he looks like an average Joe and drives a Toyota Prius. Nice and sensible guy.
Classy not Flashy.

Thanks for schooling me.

Hey yall, I just can’t talk Hawks right now.
I’m burned out on it. Waiting for Round 2, I’m Collins and Teagued out maane.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
9:03 pm

Royal Burger!

I don’t give a damn about that royal wedding!
Geez-Us! Please kill it from my flat screen, all I care about is:

The NBA and The Hawks – maane!

Najeh Davenpoop

May 1st, 2011
9:10 pm

If LD is going to start Jamal at point guard we may as well hit up Wal-Mart and buy our friendly neighborhood Bulls fans some industrial strength brooms right now.

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
9:17 pm

drmaryb,

He was on the Friday after next movie not the original Friday one. I used to party too. I partied a lot too in my younger days but once i got married and had a son and the good thing is you can see these old shows either on stations like tvland and stations that play old sitcoms on demand online or just buy the dvd’s.

Seems like it has been a week since the Hawks last played!!.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
9:18 pm

White Chics!

IDK Terry Crews was in that movie. Wasn’t that the Wayan Brothers starring In that. After Living Color cancelled? Very funny stuff!

ant banks

May 1st, 2011
9:26 pm

DRMARYB, ‘POOP, JEJE, J FROM THE A, BRIGADIER, ET AL,

teague GOTTA have one of those games when he goes into THAT zone. do y’all remember when d’antoni was HATIN’ nate robinson? he put nate in the game against the hawks and nate SCORCHED us for 40pts!!! teague gotta go the eff off!!!

GILBERT RENFRO, JASON GARRETT to name a few, are some guys who star shined brightly, when called upon and they became legends.

this ish is all on teague. the bloggosphere already loves and supports teague. all he needs to do is have one of those games and become endeared in all our hearts.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
9:33 pm

B-Jerry!

Yeah baby, I know. Looks like we all travel the same path to wisdom.
I dragged my self through medical school and had no life whatsoever.
Those classes were so – information overloaded, I had to schedule time for sleep and bath room breaks.

Now, I get to play a little. Because I have OCD real bad, the blog and the Hawks are like my latest obsession and – I LIKE IT!

vava74

May 1st, 2011
9:40 pm

drmaryb,

Yep, it’s a Wayans flick and you ought watch it NOW. Do a search and see if it is on anywhere.

If not, get it on demand, video, torrent, you name it.

Crews is dynamite on that movie and owns it top to bottom.

vava74

May 1st, 2011
9:41 pm

In the meantime, I don’t know if you all saw this but Meyes nailed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGITlxfT6s

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
9:42 pm

To: drmaryb, vava74, brigadierjerry and others interested:

FYI, Terry Crews has appeared in the following:

Filmography
Film
Year Film Role Notes
2000 The 6th Day Vincent Bansworth
2001 Training Day Black P. Stones Nation Gang Member Uncredited
2002 Serving Sara Vernon
Friday After Next Damon Pearly
2003 Deliver Us from Eva Big Bartender
Malibu’s Most Wanted 8 Ball
BAADASSSSS! Big T
2004 Behind the Smile Big James
Starsky & Hutch Porter
White Chicks Latrell Spencer
Soul Plane Bouncer
2005 The Longest Yard Cheeseburger Eddy “89″
2006 The Alibi Crazy Eight
Harsh Times Darrell
The Benchwarmers Poker Guy #1
Puff, Puff, Pass Cool Crush Ice Killa
Click Singing Guy in Car Uncredited/Cameo
Idiocracy President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
Inland Empire Street Person #3
2007 Norbit Big Black Jack Latimore
How to Rob a Bank Officer Degepse
Who’s Your Caddy? Tank
Balls of Fury Freddy “Fingers” Wilson
2008 Street Kings Detective II Terrence Washington
Get Smart Agent 91
2009 Terminator Salvation Captain Jericho
Gamer Hackman
2010 The Expendables Hale Caesar
Lottery Ticket Jimmy the Driver
Middle Men James
DVD Films
Year Title Role Notes
2008 Get Smart’s Bruce and Lloyd Out of Control Agent 91

[edit] Television work
Battle Dome – T-Money (1999–2001)
Everybody Hates Chris – Julius (2005–2009)
My Wife and Kids – Trainer (2005; Guest star)
The Boondocks – Multiple characters (voice) (2006; Guest star)
Are We There Yet? – Nick Kingston-Persons (2010–present)
The Family Crews – Himself (2010–present)
[edit] Music videos
blink-182 – “Down” – Police Officer (2004)

I know this may sound offensive to some but Terrence Alan “Terry” Crews like Thomas “Tiny” Lister aka D-Bo, Michael Clarke Duncan, Irving Rameses “Ving” Rhames, and to some extent Shaquille O’Neal, who has also acted briefly, exemplifies/propagates the Hollywood image of the stereotypical big, black, buffed, muscle-bound, controlled, field-hand, buck slave type of Negro. I’m sorry but that’s my opinion. I’m such a bitter, angry dude. LOL

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
9:49 pm

The Real Mandingo ,

Good point on what you talk about the stereotypical actor such as terry crews. Tiny was like that too from Friday and other movies but he is a born again christian

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
9:52 pm

The Distinguished Gentleman!

On BET now. Never saw this movie before. Eddie Murray is a straight up fool! I personally met him in 1986 when I worked at:

The Ritz Carlton – Buckhead. 8 Years as Banquet Captain & picked up extra work in Room Service. Eddie’s brother called up an order of
assorted English Teas. Eddie was like 5′5″ short and signed the check with NO tip. I had to write it in, I had to. Ms. Mary wasn’t serving rich teas for free. I had to get mine. LOL!

Eddie was dating Mayor Andrew Young daughter back then and their room was in her name. I met a ton of celebs, never asked for one autograph, unless it was on a blank check with:

Pay to the order of: Me!

I met The Detroit Pistons Basketball Team, Bill Laimbeer and all those guys. They looked tired from playing ball, tipped well and were very professional. And, very tall. Those guys were Champions for real.

Best, most fun job I ever had. I was never star struck and always felt like I was a star myself, an unknown star in my own rights.

vava74

May 1st, 2011
10:01 pm

Mandingo,

Just check Meyers and relax man. Just relax.

Crews on white chicks does not fulfill the stereotype you described.

Yes, he is buff and that is part of the part, but it is ALL THE REST that he brings to that part which make it hystorical (hysterically historical).

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
10:08 pm

brigadierjerry,

I’m glad to see you understand my perspective.

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
10:08 pm

Type – Casted!

Mandingo!

Wow! Thanks for that research on Crews.
I see a lot of independent films work and I was just wondering, “Has this
man ever turned anything down?” Straight hustling, I ain’t mad at nobody.

Type-Casted for real. The thing I loved about Madonna and Michael Jackson, was that they were ultra-selective when it came to songs, music, performances and venues. Extremely selective and control maniacs at the highest level.

Genius!
__________________

The Real Mandingo is keeping it real! LOL!

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
10:16 pm

vava74,

Just for you, I’ll take a chill pill and chillax (chill and relax) for now but tomorrow I’m go’n be talkin’ again. LOL

drmaryb (*_-)

May 1st, 2011
10:20 pm

Mandingo!

You can’t keep a good Man-ding-o down! They always come up, just when you’re ’bout to throw in the towel. Always, in the nick-of-time.

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
10:25 pm

drmaryb,

As much as I would like to take credit for the research on Terry Crews, I can’t. That’s just the magic of copy and paste. LOL

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
10:35 pm

drmaryb,

You know what they say about real leaders. Real leaders are not propped up; real leaders are pushed down and, then, they pop up like hot slices of bread toasted in a toaster.

The Real Mandingo

May 1st, 2011
10:41 pm

drmaryb,

Your not-so subtle references to the m_le anatomy are killing me. LOL

brigadierjerry

May 1st, 2011
10:45 pm

wow is this true president about to say bin laden is dead?

You Cant stop the bullies!

May 1st, 2011
10:52 pm

Bulls in four!

You cant stop the bullies

May 1st, 2011
11:03 pm

BIN LADIN IS DEAD!!! i guess he is with his 40 virgins now…

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
11:25 pm

I just watched Lottery Ticket, with Bow Wow, Mike Epps, Ice Cube, Eddie Murphy Brother! Terry Crews is a hilarious….They all are….It was raining JOKES.LOL

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
11:28 pm

“BIN LADIN IS DEAD!!! i guess he is with his 40 virgins now”
They just brought him out of the cooler…Elections coming???Ding..Ding..Ding..
Next!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yawn…….

Slimjr

May 1st, 2011
11:31 pm

Roosevelt once said quote” nothing in politics happens by chance.It’s all planned”. Unquote..

Walt Clyde Frazier

May 2nd, 2011
9:59 am

The stage is set. If the Hawks want to play in the Eastern Conference Finals this year, they must do exactly what they did in the Orlando series. Go on the road in Chicago and split by taking one game in Chi-Town. By doing that you have taken the home court away from the Bulls. Then go to your home court and win the next 2 game, putting you up in the series 3-1 AND THUS giving you a 95% chance out of 100 to win the series. Trust me folks, that formula works every time. Then if you slip in Chicago and you are down 3-2, close out your opponent in game 6 at home and you have wrapped up the series. This strategy worked well in Orlando and I trust it will be duplicated in Chicago. Oh, one other thing. Make sure you double and triple team Derrick Rose and thereby taking the ball out of his hands so that he wont beat you by himself. Boozer is as cold as ice so you wont have to worry about him. Hawks should win the series in 6. Go Hawks.

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May 2nd, 2011
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