Atlanta Hawks: Would they be hopeless without Hinrich? (Update: Hinrich doubtful for series)
7:30 p.m. UPDATE: Hawks say Kirk Hinrich is doubtful to play in series vs. Bulls because of “significant strain” to hamstring.
Kirk Hinrich had an MRI this afternoon. The Hawks haven’t released the results yet but say they expect to announce something today. I’m told it didn’t look good for Hinrich last night but there was more optimism today because he was moving better.
If Hinrich can’t play or is very limited, the Hawks are in serious trouble against the Bulls. I’m assuming they can’t suddenly change their offensive habits to the point where they can score efficiently against the league’s best D. They need Hinrich for scoring, too, because if you are going to be a jump-shooting team it’s best to send out as many jump shooters as possible, especially one capable of getting his own.
So it seems Atlanta’s best chance in this series is to play rugged defense and pull out some grinding games. They did that against the Magic but the Dwight Defense is null against Chicago, which plays through D-Rose instead of the post. Among Atlanta’s guards, Hinrich is their best chance to slow D-Rose–if not by staying in front of him, then by going under screens and then recovering to challenge his (so-so) jump shot. As Hinrich showed during the Orlando series, he’s pretty good at that.
Hinrich’s availability is so crucial, in fact, that L.D. and his staff couldn’t really make a lot of decisions on their game plans today because they didn’t know if they’d have Hinrich.
“It certainly changes things,” Drew said. “Hopefully he will be able to go but if he’s not we will have to make an adjustment. Not knowing what we will do at that point, we will talk about it as a staff and then make a decision. We are looking at matchups to see what will work best for us and not really knowing if Kirk can go, can’t go, play some or can’t play at all—a lot of that will change things.”
If Hinrich can’t play or is ineffective, the other options to defend Rose are Teague, J.J., Jamal, and Damien.
L.D. hasn’t put much trust in Teague all season and now would be asking him to guard the best offensive point guard in the league.
“We’ve been talking to Teague already, getting his mind prepared,” Jamal said. “He understands the challenge at hand. I think he’s prepared himself for the opportunity. I think he got a little down when he was not paying as much. Sometimes things work out in strange ways. Now he gets his change to play.”
J.J. doesn’t like checking points and has proven to be effective at it only in small stretches. Plus the Hawks are going to need all the points they can get and tasking J.J. with chasing Rose through screens and also carrying his usual offensive burden is a lot to ask.
“I am sure through course of the series he will spend time on [Rose],” Drew said. “There is a high probability a few guys will see time on him. [The Bulls] put you in a situation where they do force you to switch. Joe has guarded point guards before; he’s comfortable defending point guards. Hopefully it won’t be much. I’d like to keep him off of him.”
Damien generally has fared better against opponents he can body up rather than those who require quick feet. Jamal had his moments playing acceptable team defense against the Magic but clearly this is not an assignment for him.
The pick-and-roll alignment the Hawks used against Jameer and the Magic probably doesn’t make sense. Noah isn’t a big threat on the roll–he’s scored 1.09 points per possession, according to Synergy Sports Technology, but only had 61 attempts. Rose is generally less concerned with kicking out to 3-point shooters than with getting to the basket for scores (he was third among point guards in field-goals per game at the rim with 3.8 and averaged five against the Hawks) or drawing fouls (.35 free-throw rate overall, .32 against the Hawks).
And, anyway, Rose has been much more efficient scoring in isolation (1.09 points per possession, ranked No. 4 in the league) than on screen-rolls (.87 ppp, ranked 45th). It could get ugly for the Hawks if the Bulls clear out for Rose and an Atlanta guard is forced to defend him in space.
There’s some sentiment in the Hawks’ locker room to play a zone against the Bulls. Good luck keeping the Bulls off the glass with that strategy. They were the fourth-best offensive rebounding team this season and they hammered the Hawks on the board in all three meetings this season.
“We have to come up with a game plan to try to slow down the potential MVP,” L.D. said. “It won’t be an easy job; it’s going to be tough. He’s seen probably every conceivable defense there is. One guy won’t do it. It will take a total team effort.”
True, but that effort would appear to be doomed without Hinrich.
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425 comments Add your comment
Slimjr
May 1st, 2011
9:40 am
Gino’s East is greater than the Bulls
Love me some deep dish pan pizza!!!!
Da Bulls are heavily OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hawks in 5……maybe 6?
J from the A
May 1st, 2011
9:42 am
Buddy Grizzard
May 1st, 2011
8:49 am
“In my opinion, JT has an unusual (abnormal) release on his jump shot. – Mandingo
And maybe this is Las Vegas Larry’s problem with Teague. He seems to favor jump shooting above all other skills, and maybe because JT has bad form that’s not going to be easily corrected, Vegas will never trust him. …”
On offense, Teague’s ability to make expected passes is probably more of what is hurting him than not having a great jump shot. I forget what game it was (and I mentioned all this on the blog at the time), but in one of the mid-season games in which Teague logged a lot of minutes, he was having a real hard time passing the ball into the post. Al or Josh would have good position, the angle wouldn’t be too bad, Teague would see them in the post, but he just wouldn’t/couldn’t make the pass. This exact sequence happened 3 or 4 times in a short time span. (Almost certainly the play called was for a post up, but Teague just couldn’t deliver.)
On the defensive end, Teague has all the tools to be great. However, he is often slightly out of position (e.g., not having a fundamentally sound angel, spacing) and because of him being out of position he gets beat bad. Now, I have to admit that Teague has looked better on the defensive end after the All Star break. He still finds himself in “no man’s land” from time to time, but, hell, even the better defensive PGs in the league aren’t always in the best position. I am willing to say that Teague is (almost) ready defensively.
These are the type of “inconsistencies” that have kept Teague from becoming a rotational player. His inability to make the pass/execute the called play and his defensive positioning is what has cost him rotational minutes more than anything else.
Slimjr
May 1st, 2011
9:52 am
‘“In my opinion, JT has an unusual (abnormal) release on his jump shot. – Mandingo
And maybe this is Las Vegas Larry’s problem with Teague. He seems to favor jump shooting above all other skills, and maybe because JT has bad form that’s not going to be easily corrected, Vegas will never trust him. …”
Nail on the head with LARRY LARRY!
Larry was a good perimeter shooter who averaged almost 18 per night in his prime!!!!!
He is bias because Teague cant touch him in that dept. as the featured pg.
Larry play the man, he’s got other assets to contribute……Stay tuned to this soap opera….Hugh??
Slimjr
May 1st, 2011
9:54 am
Hawks must, repeat must win the battle of the Boards Big Time!!!! Crash,Crash,Crash! Everybody!
Buck
May 1st, 2011
9:59 am
Jaquizz is gonna take us to the SUPERBOWL!!!!….uh….GO HAWKS!!!
You Cant stop the bullies!
May 1st, 2011
10:00 am
I still think its funny all you think they have a real chance against the bulls ..its real cute lmao
Slimjr
May 1st, 2011
10:09 am
Hawks be ready for the godfather thugs(refs)…word on the street, the chief gangsta wants da Bulls to win so to generate boat loads of money and ratings especially if the pres comes to attend the EFC/finals?? Stay tuned for the drama………..sigh……….
Myrak43
May 1st, 2011
10:30 am
all you free Teague people are about to eat your words………… and finially see how Captain Kirk really helped us out.
I hope I am wrong. I hope Teague comes out and looks like Rondo
Rusty
May 1st, 2011
10:52 am
I watched ld play, he didnt play defense like jt,didn’t have his speed & wasn’t that great of a playmaker. JT has what it takes to be a rondo type of a pg if he is giving a real chance. As far as consistencey,who the hell on the team hasn’t showed inconsistency. It seemed fine for guy like JJ,jc1,& mb to stink it up in lot of games & not sitting for it.
J from the A
May 1st, 2011
11:00 am
In spite of the fact that I have been (more or less) a critic a Teague this year (see above post), I think he is going to do well this series. Maybe this is the optimistic fan in me speaking. I don’t know. But I expect for to really contribute.
Now, let’s just hope Marvin can come up big, too!
Cannot wait for game 1 tomorrow night. If the Hawks win tomorrow, I give them about a 50/50 chance on taking the series. If they lose tomorrow … well, I don’t want to think about that.
GO HAWKS!!!
doc
May 1st, 2011
11:29 am
Grandad
April 30th, 2011
3:08 pm
Think about it.
How muh thought we put into stopping rose?
Do you reckon, other teams;
put that much [if any] thought into stopping Joe?
really, not sure of your point there gd.. rose is an mvp in what his third year. jj is barely an all star declining in effectiveness.
liked the x &o’s. thanks.
Sleepy
May 1st, 2011
11:40 am
Rusty you dont follow basketball much do you ?
Why do you assume that Teague has earned the same amount of respect that a JJ or Crawford or even Marvin has earned ?
some of you live in straight fantasy land …..
Under your delusion Collins should be demanding to continue start also .
Buzz Sawya
May 1st, 2011
12:26 pm
I can’t understand why everyone is hopping on the C hicago Bull bandwagon,
Buzz Sawya
May 1st, 2011
12:34 pm
I can’t understand why everyone is riding the Chicago Bull bandwagon,just because Hinrich is injured every so called analyst has written the Hawks off.D Rose is good, but he is not a one man team,slow down Deng ,Boozer will be nonexistent like always against the Hawks, what you idiots fail to realize is that Indiana was a few big plays away from making that series totally different from what was the end result. So all you Bullsh*%ters think on that. Hawks for life BAIITCH!
Najeh Davenpoop
May 1st, 2011
12:53 pm
People are riding the Bulls jock because they have a superstar — superstars almost without exception are needed to win in the playoffs — and the league’s best record. There is a valid point to be made that their record is inflated by their division, but even if you bring their division record down to what the Magic had they would still have an overall record tied with the Heat for best in the conference. Even if you account for their division they are still more than 10 games better than the Hawks on the season.
I do agree that if you get past each team’s best player the Hawks are arguably more talented than the Bulls, but in order for that to mean anything the Hawks will have to shut down the Bulls’ supporting cast the way they shut down the Magic supporting cast. And that’s going to be a lot harder if they can’t single cover Rose the way they did to Dwight.
Ant banks
May 1st, 2011
1:01 pm
teague will do well against rose. Our overall team and bench is better than chicago. The indy games should not have been that close. Hawks win in 6. Get your tix now. 3rd round will be hot.
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
1:05 pm
The Thunder fans get new shirts for a new series. All ASG will give [if anything] are those hideous towels I use when I am in the bathroom
The Real Mandingo
May 1st, 2011
1:12 pm
To: Slimjr
You be trippin’ me out with those not-so subtle references to criminal syndicates, secret societies and cabals. It’s like what Alonzo (Denzel Washington) said in ‘Training Day’ – “It’s not (about) ‘what happened,’ it’s ‘what you can prove.’” LOL
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
1:59 pm
From watching this Thunder/Grizz game, I think Teague needs major minutes come tomorrow
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
2:03 pm
We somehow swept Memphis this year, but they play basketball way better than we do (even without Rudy Gay).
If they lose to the Thunder, I highly doubt their GM and ownership will blame it on injuries like ASG/Sund would
The Game Has Changed
May 1st, 2011
2:17 pm
@Scott and Superiorblogman- Thats all I was trying to say. We will not live or die because of Hinrich. He is simple a complementary player. Nothing more or nothing less.
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
2:30 pm
@ Grandad 2:55 am post
Well let me ask you this. If Collins is such a great guy that boxes out, why does his man almost ALWAYS kill him on the boards? I mean, I can bring up many examples, from Noah, to Howard, to Andrew Bynum . . guys who all killed him on the boards. And it’s not like Collins is a good help defender either, so who is he helping out to allow his man to get all of those rebounds?
I mean, what’s more silly?
Calling Collins a guy who is good at boxing out, even though his man kills him on the boards? Or saying that he’s more likely to box out a guy who he is guarding after he shot the ball?
If he can’t keep the guy that he’s guarding off the boards, that means that he’s out of position to box the guy out, or even when he does box the guy out, the opposing player is more athletic enough to still get the rebound.
And if neither of those two are the case, and Collins is doing what he supposed to do, then I guess the blame would go on Horford and Smith for not grabbing the rebound? They do actually rebound though, unlike Collins.
Collins does do some good things as a team player, that doesn’t show up on the box score. There’s no doubt about that. But if the opposing team’s offense isn’t being ran through the man that he is guarding, he becomes a big liability out on the court.
He’s not going to get you extra possessions when it comes to offensive rebounds, and he’s not going to end possessions by grabbing defensive rebounds. Even the charges he tend to draw are limited.
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
2:31 pm
@2:25 am post . . not 2:55 am
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
2:39 pm
JOE WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATL TO BE THE #1 PG. HE ALSO PLAYED LESS MINUTES THIS YEAR (MISSED TIME)
PLAY HIM AT PG AND TEAGUE OFF BENCH
CRAWFORD BETTER NOT “GUARD” ROSE
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
2:40 pm
ROUND 2 STARTS TOMORROW AND NO ONE IS ON HERE WTF
WHERE ARE ALL THE DIEHARDS LIKE DRMARYB
superiorblogman
May 1st, 2011
2:40 pm
Grandad: I agree with you Collins and his boxing out is very critical to us because no other Hawk consistently boxes out
You Cant stop the bullies!
May 1st, 2011
2:43 pm
Yea u guys have a better team but ur stats say otherwise. We have one good player? Lmao yea and we’re still taking care of business and and definitely won’t lose to the bitch ass hawks…what a pathetic team and even more pathetic fans!,
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
2:48 pm
WE NEED TO PLAY WITH THE SAME HEART MEMPHIS IS PLAYING WITH RIGHT NOW
GO AFTER EVERY LOOSE BALL
THIS IS AMAZING TO SEE
THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONG SERIES
Grandad
May 1st, 2011
2:51 pm
doc
“really, not sure of your point there gd..
rose is an mvp in what his third year.
jj is barely an all star declining in effectiveness”
doc – That was [sort of] my point;
(sorry, I was overly vague)
the Bulls have a “difference maker”,
while we have a highly paid, abstract,
ineffectual, “indifference maker”.
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
2:56 pm
We MUST start Teague tomorrow.
CHI will be rusty, Boozer is hurt, Rose may be.
We need to push the damn basketball like Memphis is doing. They are playing brilliantly right now
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
2:57 pm
Who does he box out though superior?
I mean, I can bring up a clip right now in which in a game we played against the Lakers, Collins was going out to help on a guy, but got back in time to put a body on Bynum. Problem is, he did it very lazily. Ball comes off the rim, and Bynum gets the rebound without even having to jump for the ball.
What Collins does is put a body on people after the shot goes up. That may technically be a “box out”, but if you don’t do it right, the other guy can still get the rebound. Ish . . let me bring the clip up, and see what you think about it.
This is from the Laker blowout right after the All-Star break. You can either watch the entire beatdown, or go to the 2:55 mark of the video.
If you watch the entire video, you will see instances of Collins finding his man and doing a weak box out. But all of those shots went in. But if you go to the 2:55 mark, you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about with that dude. Bynum didn’t even have to jump, and Collins reaction time was so slow, he didn’t get his hand up fast enough to get the rebound.
Bynum’s offensive rebound led to a Ron Artest 3.
And Bynum grabbed 15 rebounds that game . . 11 of which came with Collins in the game ( from my review of that game of the play-by-play. Collins only played 15 minutes in that game, and got outrebounded 11 – 4 vs Bynum. But dang, at least Collins did grab 4 rebounds. That’s damn good rebounding from him.
But how does Bynum grab 11 rebounds in 15 minutes vs Collins, if Collins is so great in boxing people out?
Worldwide Clyde
May 1st, 2011
3:08 pm
JeJe
DrMaryb is probably at church. On Sunday she go from the church in the morning to the club at night. She should be on later.
Memphis is playing well because of ball movement. They keep the ball in the hands of their point guard instead of passing to a big early into the shot clock.
Grandad
May 1st, 2011
3:10 pm
northcyde
” I mean, what’s more silly? ”
You, my friend, are right – does that make me Supercilious !
Worldwide Clyde
May 1st, 2011
3:11 pm
Hawks in 7
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
3:37 pm
It’s hard not to be a little envious at how Memphis is playing and what they have assembled there.
- a go-to low post player who can create his own shot and make it ( Zebo )
- a solid center who can defend, rebound, and score adequately ( Gasol )
- a solid PG that looks to get into the lane and create for others ( Conley )
- a defensive stopper who can guard PGs, SGs, and SFs ( Allen )
- another defensive stopper who can guard SG and SFs ( Battier )
- an offense first guard who can score the basketball ( Mayo )
- and role players who play within their limitations and team structure ( Arthur, Young, Vasquez )
And most of all, they play DEFENSE and REBOUND the basketball.
And all of this without their most athletic and dynamic offensive player not even playing ( Gay )
All 9 guys play together and understand what each can do as individuals. An impressive win by that team today. Just a surgical dismantling of a real good team. I hope we can duplicate what they did tomorrow night. It may not look the same, but maybe we can achieve the same result.
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
3:40 pm
IF MEMPHIS CAN BEAT OKC WITHOUT GAY, WE CAN BEAT CHICAGO WITHOUT HINRICH
LET TEAGUE PLAY. VAN EXEL, KEEP TEAGUE MAD
TIME TO SEE THE CELTICS WIN. I HOPE BIBBY SUFFERS VS. RONDO
The Real Mandingo
May 1st, 2011
3:40 pm
Simply put, the Hawks need to do against the Bulls what the Grizz just did against the Thunder, play with testicular fortitude.
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
3:43 pm
“JeJe
DrMaryb is probably at church. On Sunday she go from the church in the morning to the club at night. She should be on later.
Memphis is playing well because of ball movement. They keep the ball in the hands of their point guard instead of passing to a big early into the shot clock.”
FIRE LD
terrell
May 1st, 2011
3:46 pm
Go Grizzlies. Go Celtics.
Grandad
May 1st, 2011
3:49 pm
northcyde
I realize you are the purveyor of all B-ball knowledge ?
” But how does Bynum grab 11 rebounds in 15 minutes vs Collins,
if Collins is so great in boxing people out? ”
Bynum played 26 min. gathered 15 rebs
Collins only played 15 min.
[you *claim A.B. got 11 rebs during those 15 min]
*(that claim sounds absurd – but if you say it’s so) ?
My Much Larger Point ! ! !
Bynum had 15 rebs with 11 being defensive rebs.
(I looked it up)
So, only ” FOUR ” were offensive rebs.
A player can only miss a box-out if it results in an offensive reb.
*[agreed] I don’t care if you do or not – it’s a fact.
So, Collins could have only missed ” FOUR ” box-outs all nite !
If one thinks logically & rationally;
Collins = 15 min
Bynum = 26 min
one would think that maybe 1 or 2 were -vs- another player.
Now we are talking about him missing two or three box outs.
_____________________________________________________
Admit, that even the Grand Stat Wizard doesn’t understand basketball.
When he doesn’t realize that an off-player does not box-out a def-player.
[to prevent him from acquiring def rebs]
I would make a reference to a banned former blogger,
but I would not want to insult Wingnut.
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
3:56 pm
Yeah Grandad. It’s absurd.
But it’s not like you can’t go back and see if it’s true or not. See Grandad, you may not like all of the stats and things that I give out. But I usually don’t come out of left field with things. I’m just the type that tends to pay extreme attention to detail. I try to see if my perception is actually matching up with what is really going on.
It’s just that when I research stuff, I know how to do it and know exactly where to look. So that enables me to do it fairly quickly.
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
3:57 pm
If we played against this Boston/Miami defense, we’d probably score 30 points, given our jump-shooting “offense”
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
4:04 pm
12:00 Start of the 1st Quarter
12:00 0-0 Jumpball: Josh Smith vs. Andrew Bynum (Kobe Bryant gains possession)
11:45 0-0 Kobe Bryant misses 17-foot jumper
11:45 Mike Bibby defensive rebound 0-0
11:32 Mike Bibby bad pass (Kobe Bryant steals) 0-0
11:26 0-2 Derek Fisher makes 19-foot jumper
11:03 Al Horford misses driving dunk 0-2
11:00 0-2 Derek Fisher defensive rebound
10:56 0-2 Ron Artest out of bounds lost ball turnover
10:41 Joe Johnson misses 20-foot jumper 0-2
10:41 0-2 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
10:26 0-4 Derek Fisher makes 19-foot jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
10:00 Josh Smith misses 26-foot three point jumper 0-4
9:59 0-4 Pau Gasol defensive rebound
9:48 0-6 Derek Fisher makes 21-foot jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
9:33 Joe Johnson bad pass (Derek Fisher steals) 0-6
9:27 0-8 Kobe Bryant makes 19-foot jumper
9:04 Joe Johnson makes dunk 2-8
8:49 Jason Collins personal foul (Andrew Bynum draws the foul) 2-8
8:36 2-8 Ron Artest misses 23-foot three point jumper
8:36 2-8 Andrew Bynum offensive rebound
8:36 2-8 shot clock turnover
8:26 2-8 Kobe Bryant personal foul (Mike Bibby draws the foul)
8:14 Al Horford makes 19-foot jumper (Joe Johnson assists) 4-8
8:02 4-8 Ron Artest offensive charge (Jason Collins draws the foul)
8:02 4-8 Ron Artest turnover
7:41 Josh Smith misses 22-foot jumper 4-8
7:41 4-8 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
7:30 4-10 Pau Gasol makes 20-foot jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
7:13 Joe Johnson misses 24-foot three point jumper 4-10
7:11 4-10 Pau Gasol defensive rebound
6:52 4-10 Derek Fisher misses 20-foot jumper
6:52 Al Horford defensive rebound 4-10
6:37 Mike Bibby misses three point jumper 4-10
6:35 4-10 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
6:24 4-10 Josh Smith blocks Kobe Bryant’s 8-foot jumper
6:22 Jason Collins defensive rebound 4-10
6:18 Joe Johnson makes driving layup 6-10
5:56 Joe Johnson shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul) 6-10
5:56 Los Angeles full timeout
5:56 Jamal Crawford enters the game for Mike Bibby 6-10
5:56 Marvin Williams enters the game for Jason Collins 6-10
***************
4 rebounds in 6 minutes for Bynum during this time frame, by the play by play
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
4:10 pm
5:05 Jason Collins enters the game for Josh Smith 27-36
5:05 27-37 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2
4:41 Jamal Crawford misses layup 27-37
4:41 27-37 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
4:30 27-40 Lamar Odom makes three point jumper (Kobe Bryant assists)
4:07 Jamal Crawford misses 26-foot three point jumper 27-40
4:07 Atlanta defensive team rebound 27-40
4:07 Marvin Williams enters the game for Jamal Crawford 27-40
3:59 Al Horford shooting foul (Lamar Odom draws the foul) 27-40
3:59 27-41 Lamar Odom makes free throw 1 of 2
3:59 Maurice Evans enters the game for Al Horford 27-41
3:59 27-42 Lamar Odom makes free throw 2 of 2
3:47 27-42 Ron Artest personal foul (Mike Bibby draws the foul)
3:47 27-42 Shannon Brown enters the game for Ron Artest
3:41 Marvin Williams misses 17-foot jumper 27-42
3:40 Jason Collins offensive rebound 27-42
3:35 Mike Bibby misses 27-foot three point jumper 27-42
3:34 27-42 Lamar Odom defensive rebound
3:16 27-42 Lamar Odom offensive charge (Jason Collins draws the foul)
3:16 27-42 Lamar Odom turnover
3:02 Joe Johnson misses 9-foot jumper 27-42
3:01 27-42 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound
2:46 Mike Bibby shooting foul (Derek Fisher draws the foul) 27-42
2:46 Atlanta full timeout
2:46 27-42 Pau Gasol enters the game for Lamar Odom
2:46 27-43 Derek Fisher makes free throw 1 of 2
2:46 27-44 Derek Fisher makes free throw 2 of 2
2:30 Maurice Evans misses 17-foot jumper 27-44
2:29 27-44 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
2:11 27-44 Derek Fisher misses 20-foot jumper
2:10 Maurice Evans defensive rebound 27-44
1:58 Andrew Bynum blocks Marvin Williams’s jumper 27-44
1:57 27-44 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
1:57 Maurice Evans personal foul (Andrew Bynum draws the foul) 27-44
1:57 27-45 Andrew Bynum makes free throw 1 of 2
1:57 27-45 Andrew Bynum misses free throw 2 of 2
1:55 Jason Collins defensive rebound 27-45
1:39 Joe Johnson misses 18-foot jumper 27-45
1:38 27-45 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
1:34 Maurice Evans shooting foul (Derek Fisher draws the foul) 27-45
1:34 27-46 Derek Fisher makes free throw 1 of 2
1:34 Jamal Crawford enters the game for Maurice Evans 27-46
1:34 27-47 Derek Fisher makes free throw 2 of 2
1:15 Jamal Crawford misses three point jumper 27-47
1:14 27-47 Derek Fisher defensive rebound
1:07 27-49 Pau Gasol makes 4-foot two point shot
1:07 Jason Collins shooting foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul) 27-49
1:07 27-49 Pau Gasol misses free throw 1 of 1
1:06 Marvin Williams defensive rebound 27-49
0:52 Joe Johnson makes 6-foot two point shot (Marvin Williams assists) 29-49
0:42 29-51 Andrew Bynum makes slam dunk (Kobe Bryant assists)
0:35 29-51 Andrew Bynum personal foul (Joe Johnson draws the foul)
0:35 29-51 Steve Blake enters the game for Kobe Bryant
0:31 29-51 Shannon Brown personal foul (Joe Johnson draws the foul)
0:31 Joe Johnson makes free throw 1 of 2 30-51
0:31 Joe Johnson makes free throw 2 of 2 31-51
0:13 Jason Collins shooting foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul) 31-51
0:13 31-52 Pau Gasol makes free throw 1 of 2
0:13 31-53 Pau Gasol makes free throw 2 of 2
0:02 Joe Johnson makes 16-foot jumper 33-53
0:00 Mike Bibby personal foul (Steve Blake draws the foul) 33-53
0:00 33-54 Steve Blake makes free throw 1 of 2
0:00 33-54 Steve Blake misses free throw 2 of 2
0:00 Marvin Williams defensive rebound 33-54
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4 rebounds in 5 minutes for Bynum during this time period. By my count, he got 8 rebounds in 11 minutes in the 1st half. In fairness in Collins, one of Bynum’s rebounds came off of a block shot.
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
4:14 pm
12:00 Start of the 3rd Quarter
11:44 33-54 Ron Artest shooting foul (Josh Smith draws the foul)
11:44 Josh Smith misses free throw 1 of 2 33-54
11:44 Atlanta offensive team rebound 33-54
11:44 Josh Smith makes free throw 2 of 2 34-54
11:32 34-54 Andrew Bynum offensive foul (Joe Johnson draws the foul)
11:32 34-54 Andrew Bynum turnover
11:18 Josh Smith misses 21-foot jumper 34-54
11:17 34-54 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
11:03 34-54 Derek Fisher misses jumper
11:02 Jason Collins defensive rebound 34-54
10:48 Josh Smith makes dunk (Joe Johnson assists) 36-54
10:23 36-54 Joe Johnson blocks Pau Gasol’s 6-foot jumper
10:22 Al Horford defensive rebound 36-54
10:19 Jumpball: Josh Smith vs. Andrew Bynum (Jason Collins gains possession) 36-54
10:03 36-54 Kobe Bryant flagrant foul type 1 (Josh Smith draws the foul)
10:03 Josh Smith misses flagrant free throw 1 of 2 36-54
10:03 Atlanta offensive team rebound 36-54
10:03 Josh Smith misses flagrant free throw 2 of 2 36-54
10:03 Atlanta offensive team rebound 36-54
9:52 Mike Bibby misses 24-foot three point jumper 36-54
9:52 36-54 Derek Fisher defensive rebound
9:41 36-57 Kobe Bryant makes 26-foot three point jumper (Derek Fisher assists)
9:26 Joe Johnson bad pass 36-57
9:10 36-57 Pau Gasol misses 14-foot jumper
9:08 Josh Smith defensive rebound 36-57
8:57 Andrew Bynum blocks Joe Johnson’s 8-foot jumper 36-57
8:56 Al Horford offensive rebound 36-57
8:53 Josh Smith makes 20-foot jumper (Al Horford assists) 38-57
8:30 Jason Collins shooting foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul) 38-57
8:30 38-58 Pau Gasol makes free throw 1 of 2
8:30 38-59 Pau Gasol makes free throw 2 of 2
8:18 Al Horford misses 20-foot jumper 38-59
8:18 38-59 Andrew Bynum defensive rebound
8:07 38-59 Pau Gasol misses 17-foot jumper
8:07 38-59 Andrew Bynum offensive rebound
8:03 38-62 Ron Artest makes 26-foot three point jumper (Andrew Bynum assists)
7:43 Jason Collins misses 15-foot jumper 38-62
7:43 Atlanta offensive team rebound 38-62
7:43 Jamal Crawford enters the game for Mike Bibby 38-62
7:43 Marvin Williams enters the game for Jason Collins 38-62
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3 more rebounds for Bynum in a little over 4 minutes during this time period.
Total rebounds . . 11 . . in around 15 minutes total playing time.
But some of you never believe anything. LOL . . it’s cool. But like I said, when I cite something, I know where to look.
JeJe
May 1st, 2011
4:35 pm
START ZAZA AND TEAGUE
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
4:53 pm
Grandad
May 1st, 2011
3:49 pm
northcyde
I realize you are the purveyor of all B-ball knowledge ?
” But how does Bynum grab 11 rebounds in 15 minutes vs Collins,
if Collins is so great in boxing people out? ”
Bynum played 26 min. gathered 15 rebs
Collins only played 15 min.
[you *claim A.B. got 11 rebs during those 15 min]
*(that claim sounds absurd – but if you say it’s so) ?
My Much Larger Point ! ! !
Bynum had 15 rebs with 11 being defensive rebs.
(I looked it up)
So, only ” FOUR ” were offensive rebs.
A player can only miss a box-out if it results in an offensive reb.
*[agreed] I don’t care if you do or not – it’s a fact.
So, Collins could have only missed ” FOUR ” box-outs all nite !
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LOL . . I missed this.
So you’re praising Collins for missing 4 box outs in 15 minutes? So that means had Collins played 30 minutes, he could’ve possibly given up 8 offensive rebounds to Bynum. In what basketball world is this a good thing Grandad?
If he missed 4 box outs in 15 minutes, that’s absolutely horrible . . seeing that Bynum averages 4 offensive rebounds in 30 minutes. Bynum reached his season average vs Collins in half the time. And that’s the reason why when we played the Lakers two weeks later in Atlanta, Collins didn’t even play.
Bynum still killed us on the boards ( 16 rebounds . . 4 offensive . . in 35 minutes ). But at least Drew had sense enough to play Horford at center and give Zaza extended minutes, to try to offset what Bynum was doing. Horford had 9 rebounds in that game. Zaza had 10 rebounds in 22 minutes ( 6 offensive ). And instead of us getting blown out from the jump, the Lakers gradually pulled away from us, taking command in the 3rd quarter.
LOL @ praising a dude for “only” giving up 4 offensive rebounds an 11 defensive rebounds in 15 minutes. Come on Grandad. You know better than that.
The Real Mandingo
May 1st, 2011
4:53 pm
Message to Smoove, JT, and Marvin:
Prove me wrong for all my written and verbal criticsms against you guys and help the Hawks secure a Game 1 victory against the Bulls this Monday. After the victory, I will gladly eat two large servings of (baked or fried) crow and a huge slice of humble pie while washing it all down with a 44oz. glass of Hatorade (also spelled Haterade or Hater-aid). BTW, you know Hatorade comes in only one color – green, as in “green with envy.”
northcyde
May 1st, 2011
5:00 pm
Technically . . Bynum had 2 offensive rebouns and 9 defensive rebounds vs Collins. But that doesn’t make it any better. For a guy who has no offense ran through him, you’d think that his box outs would prevent him from getting defensive rebounds. Someone else should’ve been gobbling up the defensive boards if Bynum had a body on him.
But I guess the excuse would be that Collins was setting good screens for our “motion offense”, and those screens had him out of position to put a body on Bynum when a shot was missed.
Grandad
May 1st, 2011
5:01 pm
northcyde
I really don’t give a crap about how fast you can research.
If you’re researching the wrong thing,
why are you patting yourself on the back ?
“In fairness in Collins,
one of Bynum’s rebounds came off of a block shot” — nc –
Why won’t you acknowledge,
that defensive rebs have no merit in the conversastion.
I’ll bet:
you vote republican, watch Fox News, Listen to Carnival Barkers;
such as Linbough, Hannity, et al, & cried when they yanked Beck,
and you have a secret crush on Sarah Palin.
editors note:
the preceding paragraph was for comedic value and in no way mean’t
to disparage the good name of one Mr North Cyde, of Clarksvegas, Tn.