Atlanta Hawks: Video: Wrapping up Hawks-Magic

I joined Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel after Game 6 to talk Hawks-Magic.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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MistaGamer

April 29th, 2011
10:34 am

MannyT

April 29th, 2011
11:01 am

It’s newspaper television. The internet is a wonderful thing.

What’s next for AJC TV?

In reference to prior blog, you can add subtitles to the video for the slow to read sarcasm set. Don’t confuse them with things like “pulling your leg”, just flash “sarcasm” at bottom of screen.

All that said, I hear Jameer picks Bulls in 3 for 2nd round contest :lol:

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
11:10 am

3rd again?????
bye Josh….

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
11:11 am

Hawks in 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geemack

April 29th, 2011
11:16 am

This round is the moment of truth. Can we get past the 2nd rd?

J from the A

April 29th, 2011
11:16 am

@Worldwide Clyde (from the previous blog):

For the record, on this blog, I publicly predicted the Hawks in 6 while just about everyone else was predicting the Magic in 5/6/7. But if it helps your ego to claim that you were THE ONE that made this prediction, then so be it.

(I think there were maybe two or three bloggers in addition to myself that made this prediction before the playoffs began.)

@Najeh (from previous blog)

Really good analysis and summary of the game. Though I know I have disagreed with you on some of less important points throughout the year, you tend to really be head on the vast majority of the time. Keep up the good blogging!

@HAWKS:

GREAT GAME! GREAT SERIES! GO HAWKS!!!

J from the A

April 29th, 2011
11:21 am

I don’t like this nice little factoid John Hollinger pointed out. It will give the ASG another way to rationalize staying put with the Hawks as currently constructed.

“… the Hawks stunned the Magic in six games to advance to the second round for a third straight season — becoming one of only three teams, along with the Lakers and Celtics, to make that claim.”

Geemack

April 29th, 2011
11:38 am

J from the A

I agree.

Even if the Hawks get past Chicago. The Hawks still should make some changes.

The goal is to compete for a championship and the Hawks are not constructed to do that right now.

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
11:48 am

“A SHOUT OUT HAS TO GO TO THE GREAT MARVIN WILLIAMS. I tell you that guy allways surprises when he is at the end of his rope. Did you see those TOWERING THREE-POINTERS HE MADE LAST NIGHT THAT SWISHED THROUGH THE NETS! AWESOME. THAT WAS THE BEST GAME THAT MARVIN EVER HAD AND HE SAVED IT FOR THE JUST THE RIGHT MOMENT. Kudos to Marvin Williams. All Hail to the King. Not King LaBron James. King Marvin Williams. What a spectacular peformance by Marvin Williams–a professional in every sense of the word. No wonder Marvin started for all those years. Marvin played basketball the old-fashioned way. HE EARNED HIS SALARY LAST NIGHT. WOW. MARVIN WAS CLEARLY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE FLOOR LAST NIGHT.”
@Crumb Snatcher or as i put it, Jock sniffer…Where have you been all season??????
“it was not a bad pick” is that you???

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
12:01 pm

“The playoffs are about matchups, and for any team in the eastern conference that has to play the Hawks, the hawks are a bad matchup for Boston, Chicago,and Miami. but miami would be the team that would give them the most problems because of Wade and James who both like to get to the basket.

The Hawks have mismatche advantages all over the floor against the bulls, starting with Horford over Noah, If josh plays in the post boozer will have a hard time. Keith bogans only averages 4 points as the bulls starting 2 guard, he will not be able to guard joe nor jamaal. Look for joe to post up derek rose in the post a lot and probably get him into some foul trouble. This series will be easier for the Hawks than it was against the magic. The magic would have beaten any of the other teams in the east in this years playoffs, but the hawks was the worst matchup they could draw.”

Interesting observations!

J from the A

April 29th, 2011
12:03 pm

All Hail King Marvin. lol @ JeJe

But in all seriousness. Marvin showed up big last night, hitting four key shots in the 2nd half. Those shots were big enough that we can forgive him for getting stripped. (Sorry, just had to get that jab in there.) And let us not forget, he also played decent defense, too. Might Marvin be able to transition into a Bruce Bowen+* type player.

*The ‘+’ is because Marvin can guard the 2, 3, and 4. I don’t think Bruce could ever guard the 4.

hawks_4_life

April 29th, 2011
12:05 pm

Much props to the hawks for beating a team that destroyed them a year ago. Before the naysayers start blogging before the ball is even tipped off about how we are going to lose, the team deserve some credit for that. As for the bulls, forget the media, I like our chances. I know we played an ugly series but the bulls look very shaky themselves against lesser competition. FORGET THE HYPE……LETS GO HAWKS

J from the A

April 29th, 2011
12:06 pm

I think we forget that Keith Bogans is a very solid defensive player. He will give Joe and Jamal some fits, but if they stay aggressive, they should be able to take advantage. And when Korver comes into the game … well, Joe and Jamal need to punish him.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

April 29th, 2011
12:11 pm

http://youtu.be/NuJK4FnW-hI

Jameer see ya next year buddy. He was a hot mess in round1 so there will be no round 2.

ag

April 29th, 2011
12:13 pm

I would say most proudly that I give MW more heck than anyone on this blog. Yet, when I tear into him, he does this! Great game Marvin. You showed up tonight.

Also, myself with a lot of others on this blog have said play JT, if an injury happens in the post season……. well it did and LD did not play him. I will say I have wanted JT to start. I will not blame Woody-Lite if he plays poorly. JT has to seize this opportunity for his career. If he plays well in this series, he will be Atlanta’s point guard for the future. I think more pressure is on him than on Josh. Josh did have a bad scoring game, but I would not trade him.

Booo!

April 29th, 2011
12:17 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-5Y21tQnqA&feature=youtu.be

LOL! Josh earns major cool points for this! Awesomeness!

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
12:17 pm

JeJe

April 29th, 2011
9:29 am

northcyde,

Is there a way you can compile stats of Horford’s Head-To-Head vs. Noah?

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This is from nba.com’s Stats Cube

Horford vs Noah on the court ( on a per-36 minute basis )

17.8 ppg
9.1 rebs
3.3 asst

67% FG ( 18 – 27 )

So going head to head vs Noah isn’t a problem for Horford. But Noah on a per-36 minute basis is a +16 in +/- rating when he’s on the court vs Al. And that’s because we haven’t been able to stop Rose or Deng, combined with either JJ or Jamal not being able to get it going in the same game.

In those 2 Chicago blowout losses, Deng and Rose have absolutely destroyed us. And their bench has outplayed our bench. With LD significantly shortening his rotation, I wonder if that will have any effect on how the Hawks play the Bulls.

I honestly think you’re going to see a lot of JJ on Derrick Rose in this series. That may reduce the effectiveness of JJ on the offensive end if he has to do that. So a guy like Horford may have to have a pretty big series, along with Smith, in order to overcome them. And if Jamal is going to be guarding Rose, he needs to offset what he gives up, by providing offense of his own.

rodney o

April 29th, 2011
12:19 pm

OK we put da magic back in the hat, now we need something or someone to motivate the hawks to put the bulls back in the pen. Bulls strugled with the pacers, if the Hawks play the way they played against the magic we will be in the Eastern Finals. CAN JAMEER NELSON SAY SOMETHING STUPID TO PUMP UP THE HAWKS

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

Deng will crush Marvin as he always does unfortunately head to head. Marvin will probably put on his invisible cloak again….

The Truth

April 29th, 2011
12:24 pm

We have seen and “The Truth” has been told.

Congratulation to “our” Hawks on a victorious series against Orlando

From a larger prospective though exactly what does this moment really mean for the Hawks in general and for Hawksville in particular?

For the Hawks:

1. The 1st rd expectation of a previously 53 win Hawks team has been met
2. The past demons from humiliating losses from Orlando have now been exercise
3. The Kirk Hinrich trade has turned out to be better than expected
4. Jamal’s future with the Hawks is clear, he must be re-sign
5. The Hawks 6 straight losses going into playoff has been proven to be irrelevant
6. As ugly as a loss can be with this team, it is just a loss; means little for next game

For Hawksville:

1. The perception of the Hawks front office should improve (for now)
2. Previous biases, strong-hole positions, and negative perceptions will be loosen
3. The trolls will have to find another home
4. The pressure is now of the fans to fully support their team

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
12:26 pm

THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT ALLSTAR AL IS GOING TO HAVE TO STEP UP BIG TIME IN THIS SERIES, BECAUSE OUR GUARDS WILL HAVE THEIR HANDS FULL!!!

HE NEEDS TO FREAKING PLAY LIKE A FREAKIN ALLSTAR AND CARRY THE TEAM ON HIS BACK FOR A CHANGE………..

tb#3

April 29th, 2011
12:27 pm

I Love the atlanta hawks. I knew the hawks could beat the Majics. They murder us last year and I knew the hawks would get revenge on orlando. Go ATL!!!

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
12:29 pm

With the series starting on Monday night, I don’t know if that will be enough time for Hinrich to recover from a strained Hamstring. I just don’t see any way possible he could be ready to go in 3 days, if he strained his hamstring. In most cases, you’re at least talking about a week.

Honestly, I would at least hold him out for Game 1, regardless if he says he can go or not. Not saying that we can throw away Game 1, but it’s better to be without Hinrich for Game 1, than for him to play in Game 1 and re-aggravate the injury and possibly lose him for the rest of the series.

Then the question will be . . . will LD start Teague? And if he does, talking about throwing the dude into a raging inferno . . wow. He goes from very used benchwarmer, to guarding the MVP of the league.

But like I said, I think JJ is going to have to guard Rose. And honestly, that favors the Bulls if he has to do it for most of the game. Damien Wilkins defense is vastly overrated, but he may have to take a shot at guarding Rose as well.

Booo!

April 29th, 2011
12:30 pm

Smoove absolutely MUST D-up Leoul Deng. I think a lot of people are underestimating the impact that Josh had on Hedo Turkoglu.

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
12:38 pm

Jamal, in my opinion, won’t be re-signed.

We’re at 64 million in committed salary between 7 players even with Jamal gone. So unless the ASG all of a sudden wants to pay the luxury tax, there’s no way they can get Jamal to sign for a small enough amount to get him to re-sign. The Hawks would literally have to trade a player like Hinrich or Marvin for draft picks, to make room for Jamal to be re-signed. And honestly, that would weaken us, not make us better. We really can’t afford to subtract from the talent here, and not replace that with an upgrade in talent.

The better Jamal plays throughout the playoffs, the more his stock rises. I can easily see a team like New Jersey overpaying for this dude. At that point, it will come down to what Jamal wants to do.

Does he want to play on a winning team and have a shot at winning a title?

Or does he want to secure one last big money contract?

With no Jordan Crawford here to possibly take his place, the Hawks will go the free agent route and see if they can secure a guy for less than the MLE to replace Jamal. You’re probably talking about adding low salary guys like a Kelenna Azubuike ( who played decently for a while at Golden St ), or maybe giving a guy like J.R. Smith close to the MLE, to be that super-sub off the bench.

Next year, it will be all about Marvin Williams as the 6th man, more than likely. And Teague will have no choice but to step up, with LD maybe having no choice but to play the kid.

The Truth

April 29th, 2011
12:43 pm

Booo!: “I think a lot of people are underestimating the impact that Josh had on Hedo Turkoglu.”

Agreed

A case can be made that if Josh was in the game when Orlando answered every basket that the Hawks made (including “big-shot” Marvin), the game would have been won easier with Josh better help defense from those pick-on-roll plays.

Take it to the bank, the Bulls is watching the Hawks replays and will explicit their weaknesses

hawkville

April 29th, 2011
12:46 pm

Please do not start Marvin Williams. Replace Collins with Za Za in the starting lineup. Jeff Teague, Jamal Crawford, and Marvin Williams

Daniel

April 29th, 2011
12:50 pm

The Truth- every team watches tape on the other to find ways to exploit their weaknesses. This is not a revealing observation.

Daniel

April 29th, 2011
12:55 pm

I would like to submit the idea that we should continue with Collins/Horford front line to start with. Let Collins bang Boozer (who looks tough but is very susceptible to physical pounding) and we all know Al has Noah’s number. You then keep Josh on the wing to defend Deng. This plan only works if the Hawks control tempo, if Bulls get out running we would have to change the game plan.
If Hinrich can’t go, you still don’t start Jamaal. You go Teague, but switch Joe to Rose on defense.

Daniel

April 29th, 2011
12:58 pm

maintaining a bench of Za/JC/MW gives us an advantage there.
Wilkins will need to play this series in spots. Let him chase Rose around and bang him some to wear him down.

KevinM

April 29th, 2011
1:04 pm

North use, I too say JC is gone but for a reason other than just cash. That nasty lawsuit with a landlord sure doesn’t help matters, and I think he goes and gets a more worthy contract than what Sund will offer. But thats for another day.
Now, onto Chicago…..a big chance to make yourself creditable in the league. LD now has to create a game plan to stop a top PG and a sharpshooter in Deng. Those 2 are assassins. Marvin will get his shot, but I don’t see him matching skillsets with Deng. He will be back starting again though.

Then LD must punish the SGs of the Bulls and use our strengths to get points at the line.

I really think we have strengths the Bulls don’t and they have Rose….this will be an interesting series, especially since CHI hasn’t been in this position before.

Again, the Hawks have to steal a game early to have a shot, else it’s a quick exit.

O'Brien

April 29th, 2011
1:04 pm

northcyde,

I think Jamal is gone as well. I just cant imagine spending big money (more than the MLE) for a 31 yr old SG after spending big money on a 29 yr old SG.

So you think Marvin will be our 6th man next year. If that is the case, who starts at Center? ZaZa? Personally, I don’t like Josh starting at SF. Al needs to bulk up, change his mindset, and he committed to starting 70 games at Center next season.

O'Brien

April 29th, 2011
1:13 pm

For the Hawks to have a chance, LD needs to reduce the amount of time Jamal spends guarding Rose. According to NBA.com statscube;

Jamal’s stats per 36 minutes with Rose on the court?
12 pts, 40% shooting (29% from 3), 1 FTA, 4 assists, -8 rating.

Rose’s stats per 36 minute with Jamal on the court?
26 pts, 32% FG, 9 FTA, 10 assists, +8 rating.

I know Jamal does not spend the entire time guarding Rose, but LD has given him that job before. And Jamal sucked at it.

The Truth

April 29th, 2011
1:17 pm

northcyde: “So unless the ASG all of a sudden wants to pay the luxury tax,”

A strong-hole position that should loosen

Hawks owner Michael Gearon is already on record saying he would, given the right set of circumstances. They have shown willingness to staying true to their word when supporting their players, JJ, Al, Josh and Marvin are examples. Publicly they have stated they will pursue Jamal in the off-season. Jamal has proven to be too vital to the team success for not giving him strong consideration for his return. However, much will depend on the NBA negotiations with the PA. His salary demand might not be impossible to fit into the salary structure since their current total payroll is nearly 72M vs. next (without Jamal) is 64.2M. That 8M difference can be Jamal’s money assuming they stay at the current levels.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

April 29th, 2011
1:20 pm

@ booo. LOL thanks for posting – its great to be an Atlanta Birdbrain right about now, lol :D
Sure beats searching for halibut and mackerel.

MistaGamer

April 29th, 2011
1:25 pm

Although Josh had a forgettable offensive performance this series well below his season average, his defense was outstanding. He absolutely locked Hedo down and made him vanish.

We will need that same effort on D next series agaisnt Deng.

Free Jeff Teague…

JOEY1

April 29th, 2011
1:29 pm

if the hawks play with the heart and effort they played with against orlando in game 6 they will beat the bull in 6. but the question is which hawks team will so up??? the hungry team that plays with some much heart and effort like in orlando series game 6 or the team that often gives up when things dont go their way like in orlando game 5????

Slimjr

April 29th, 2011
1:34 pm

Game 1 is a must win for the Hawks.80% of the time whoever wins game 1 wins a 7 game series since this format began…

Adil

April 29th, 2011
1:38 pm

If you want beat the Bulls stay big…keep Jesen in the starting line up!

The Truth

April 29th, 2011
1:41 pm

Daniel: “The Truth- every team watches tape on the other to find ways to exploit their weaknesses. This is not a revealing observation”

Daniel your comment is amusing since you rarely post anymore. It’s nice to see your sudden interest in the Hawks has reemerged. But your “grand-stand comment” is not needed to forge relevance. Apparently you missed my point. I won’t bother to explain. You might miss it again.

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
2:06 pm

@ The Truth

If they wouldn’t go over the tax for a box office attraction and serviceable center like Shaq, I don’t think they’ll do it for Jamal . . unless we go deep into the playoffs. Like Game 6 or 7 in the Eastern Conference Finals deep . . with Jamal playing extremely well.

I don’t trust 90% of the things the ASG say. I think Gearon said that he’d go over the tax for a superstar. So unless people start going to Philips specifically to go see Jamal, I don’t think they’ll do it.

Attendance dropped by 35,000 this year ( roughly 430 people per game ). If the average ticket price to Hawk games runs somwhere around $55, then the ASG lost $23,650 a game. Over the season, that translates in a 1.94 million dollar loss this year . . just at the gate. No telling how much money they lost in other areas.

Section 303

April 29th, 2011
2:11 pm

I really think Marvin is going to play a key role in this series with the Bulls. We all know Joe, Jamall, and Al have to perform. We need one more player to rise up. I think it can be Marvin.

He was good in games 3 and 4 against the Magic. Last night, in Game 6, he was HUGE! He’s been playing good defense and hitting most of his open looks ( I still do not know how the 3 he shot, with the Hawks up 5 late, did not go in). Marvin can do it. He’s always had all the tools. Maybe this is the playoff run where he really earns his keep.

superiorblogman

April 29th, 2011
2:17 pm

LD will lose the Bulls series when he goes back to starting the regular lineup which is just horrible.

PG Hinrich-Not what the Hawks need longterm and does not get others involved but plays good D most of the time.

SG Joe-Good all around player and best closer on team.

SF- Marvin-Maybe the worse starter in the league. Can not create his own shot, overrated defensively, and can not even make open shots consistently. Does nothing well consistently.

PF-Josh-Totally inconsistent at doing anything positive, consistently struggles to take good shots. Athletic ability looks to be fading this year.

C- Al- Not a C, does not defend the rim or play rough enough to be a C in the NBA.

That starting lineup is just overly flawed. Joe and Al are the only 2 guys that I would want starting on my team and Al would be at PF.

Hollywould

April 29th, 2011
2:19 pm

I am eating crow today and happy to do it. I never thought the Hawks could win this series. One thing Northcyde is JJ will not be on Rose. That would be the mismatch of the year. Not quick enuf(though who is?)

superiorblogman

April 29th, 2011
2:19 pm

As I posted before the playoffs started we can make it all the way to the finals and I would not be impressed. The facts are as follows:

The Magic have messed there team up worse than we have.

The Bulls have not proven to be a playoff success.

The Celtics are old and unathletic.

If we get those 3 teams we can go to the Finals.

cp

April 29th, 2011
2:29 pm

I dont like how LD handled Teague this season but if he has to play big minutes then he has to step up. This is his chance so he has to make the most of it. I wonder if he struggles early what will LD do. I hope the kid steps up. Marvin had trouble defending Deng in the regular season so putting Josh on him might be the move….@northcyde it might be a good idea to let Joe defend Rose late so he has more energy. I dont want Joe defending Rose the whole game.

ant banks

April 29th, 2011
2:30 pm

AMAZING!!! 2 days ago, most of yall were rippin’ the hawks, leavin’ them for dead…now the same ones are sayin’ how they previously predicted the hawks would win the series. lol.

hawks will win the chicago series in 6 games. we will win all 3 here and steal the first game.

J from the A

April 29th, 2011
2:34 pm

@northcyde: in addition to Kelenna and J.R. as potential MLE-or-under 2 guards, if I am not mistaken DeShawn Stevenson will also be a free agent. Also what do you think about the prospects for a potential trade for OJ Mayo? The Hawks could offer Marvin or Zaza for Mayo. I don’t know if Memphis would go for that, and to be honest, I am not sure the Hawks should go for that either. It’s probably not smart to give up Zaza without an even better big man, and while I wouldn’t mind giving up Marvin for Mayo, depending on the other moves the Hawks are able to make, it might not make the Hawks better because it may end up leaving the Hawks with another even large hole.

Perhaps if the ASG really thinks the Hawks are (near) elite, they will be willing to go a little over the salary cap to get the Hawks that fabled “missing piece.” I know — wishful thinking.

northcyde

April 29th, 2011
2:36 pm

Hollywould . . we may not have a choice. JJ guarding Rose would mean that JJ prevents him from getting into the lane and forcing him to shoot jumpers. Defense isn’t just about how quick you are, it’s about how smart you are. Whomever is guarding Rose needs to watch a lot of tape on that dude, and see what his tendencies are.

And with no Hinrich ( or at least a slowed down version of Hinrich ), that’s one less player that we can throw out to guard Rose. JJ, just like he had to do in the past with guys like Jameer Nelson, Deron Williams, and Steph Curry, will have to take his turn guarding Rose. Overall, he’s our best perimeter defender, even if he doesn’t have the foot speed to guard Rose. Hopefully the fact that he’s much bigger than Rose can disrupt him a little bit, especially toward the end of games, when JJ will probably definitely be guarding him.

The Truth

April 29th, 2011
2:40 pm

northcyde: “If they wouldn’t go over the tax for a box office attraction and serviceable center like Shaq”

Actually, in retrospect, I’m glad they didn’t given Shaq evolving injuries. I’m not able to assess the financial losses of the Hawks with respect to this season since ticket sells are only one part of the equation.

“I don’t trust 90% of the things the ASG say”

I can relate to this position, but after Sund unexpected addition of 1M in new salary when they acquired Hinrich, I gave up predicted what this organization will or won’t when it comes to players acquisition. Given the upcoming uncertainty of the contract talks between the NBA and players, any theory (at this point) is likely a good one.