Atlanta Hawks: Magic 101, Hawks 76

Boo Hoo.

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This team laid down tonight. I would have love to see them show some maturity by winning game 6 but somehow i knew there was going to be a game 6 in ATL. Now can Hawks avoid a game 7 in ORL…

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Doesn’t matter how hard they decide to play; if they get torched on the high pick and roll like they did in this game, they don’t have much of a chance to win this series. The perimeter D was Bibby-esque in this game, and everyone was to blame.

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“After Josh pounded it inside to get DH in foul trouble, what options did Orlando have? The only thing they could hope for was that their perimeter players would come through. So what does Las Vegas Larry do the second DH hits the bench? Does he tell his guys to keep pounding it inside and take advantage? No he subs in JC1 to brick some 23-footers.”

Great point. Not going inside when Dwight exited and the Hawks were already in the penalty was beyond stupid.

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Disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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“Josh says “there are going to be nights like this.” No kidding. Who would have known?”

Josh=kick rocks buster…………….

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samething happened to the mahic their 3s wasnt falling now our jumpshots not falling point blank DRIVE THE BALL

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Apparently the Falcons are seriously trying to trade up to get AJ Green in the draft. I’ll save my sarcastic comments for later on in the season.

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wacthed the 1st half only but Josh was the only one ready to play tonite. and to be honest Joe’s game sets an awful tempo, especially we he’s not on…

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Easily put, Josh is the only one who came to play tonight. He’s the only one who consciously kept driving to the lane to force the defense to react. Why is Al Horford giving Bass and Anderson so much respect? He said he wanted to play PF for 2 years, and now that he’s playing the position, he can’t even go off on Anderson and Bass. Horford doesn’t even look to make an offensive move majority of the time that he gets the ball.

Also, am I the only one who is tired of seeing Kirk drop his head and shake his head, everytime HE is beat off of the dribble for a layup? I thought he was supposed to be the new leader. So what kind of body language is that for the rest of the team from the ‘tough minded’ PG?

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gotta win game 6. they don’t want anything to do with a game 7.

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“There are going to be nights like this,”

Ah man, that statement pisses me off so much, this isn’t the regular season anymore bum, stop making excuses for the team and yourself.

If we don’t close out this series on Thursday, I have little hope we will advance.

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$120M 2-12, 5pts!!!

Oh, and Al is ONLY and Allstar at the center position where he can be a match up problem for most of the league’s centers. When he moves back to PF he matches up against players that are closer to his skill set and athleticism and isn’t much of a match up problem.

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Al will be fishing next February..He should have taken over this game with those stiffs checking him..Maybe he does not have much game after all?????

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Ra’mon,

Al really does need to stop giving up his man on the pick an roll.

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If people actually thought that Josh had a good game, those people don’t understand the game of basketball at all. Even though his stat-llne at the end of the game looked pretty decent, Josh was awful in this game. He did just as many, if not more, negative things in this game as he did positive things. Even the Magic commentators pointed that out. Josh may have come out with energy, but it was not smart energy. He had some good ideas, like attacking the basket, but outside of his rebounding, he was really garbage in this game. If he would have “come out to play” as some of you say, he would have played smart enough not to hurt the team. No one played that well for the Hawks tonight. Al and Josh would very good on the glass, but that’s about it. The Hawks never had a chance in this game, you could tell immediately when teh Hawks made their run that the Hawks were going to fold. It’s just their nature, it’s who they are. Certain guys on the team will play hard regardless and never give up, but they can’t save the team by themselves, especailly when the guys who use the majority of the possessions are the weakest-minded of all of the players on the roster.

I thought that what Larry Drew was saying in his post-game interview following game 4 about the Hawks really showing maturing and not panicking when they faced adversity was a total load of crap, and it looks like I was right. In the previous games in this series, the Hawks never really trailed by a significant margin, so they had to face any adversity. When things are going well, Joe and Jamal are less selfish, and Josh plays with less stupidity, so the team tends to look better, but once the going gets tough, this team is very consistently awful, as a whole. They stop moving the ball, our guards become essentially worthless, Josh becomes a member of the opposing team with his stupidity, and unless Al is getting offensive rebounds, he doesn’t even touch the ball enough on the offensive end to be much of a factor there. Also, on the other end, in those situations, only one or two players even try, and as a result, the opposing team scores with ease and scores in bunches. it’s like a snowball effect. I’ve watched this team long enough to tell that their real problem is that they lack the mental toughness to be great. They have the talent to be one of the league’s best teams (not necessarily a contender), but they lack mental toughness and coaching. Essentially, they are their own worst enemy. That’s one thing that is consistent with this team, even if their on-court performances aren’t.

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Corrections on my last post – I meant to say “when the Magic made their run”, not “when the Hawks made their run”. Also, I meant to say, “Al and Josh were very good on the glass”.

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Well, at least one JJ showed up tonight. Great game for Jair Jurrjens.

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Guys, here is a question.. Would you rather have Jerry Sloan (as a GM/Head Coach combo) or Rick Adelman?

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When I said 12 shots, I meant 12 free throw attempts.

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CP3 is a killa…damn!!!

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For those knowledgeable fans who wish for Al
to make a move & drive to the basket
[since he's playin' the [4] and guarded by RA or BB]
you realize Dwight is playing a 1 man zone (when he’s in)
and Orl doesn’t even bother to guard Collins, et al….. right ?
Therefore Al would still have to contend with Dwight.
Yawl get that…..right ?

Also;
Al, Josh, and I’m assuming JJ Maxx & Jamal;
(and all the others)
go where the coach puts them in his retarded offense.
*[-Not a Motion Offense-]

I watched Josh tonight.
(his role / position) on offense.
He [Josh] never:
*sets a screen
*comes off a screen
*therefore logically never slips a screen
*never cuts
*never ducks, flashes or flairs
These are fundamentals of any offense.
He never moves w/o the ball.
* -&- * Perhaps the most curious thing;
he never does anything to set up / help a teammate.
* primarily screening.

He just stands, planted, in one spot and doesn’t move,
unless / until he gets the ball in his hands.

I put this blame on LD not Josh.

Having said that;
Josh to Milwaukee
—for—
Andrew Bogut !

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now if the Hawks won 60 games with josh style of play,I would be impressed..But
they ended the season only 6 wins above .500 and were 13-26 against above .500 teams this year…Just Brutal…………
yes josh is a FREAKIN BUSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BUSTER BUSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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6 games above .500 means not only mental but just not as talented compare to other teams in the NBA that gained a playoff berth……..

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@Ra’mon…smart maybe the wrong word…maybe. but my point is really about cats playin’ within their skills. and even Al doesn’t do it. Al will make up his mind to make a move in the post…puts his head down, usually loses the handle, and STILL will try to get a shot off. and that kinda sums up the team. so playin’ within themselves might be the better verbiage.and from your post you seem to agree…

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Grandad, that’s where you are wrong. When Josh was fouled on the layup by Richardson, on the weak side. The play occurred because he cut to the basket BEFORE the pass was delivered. He does set back door screens for JC1, and Marvin when they’re motioning to opposite corners. Also he was moving without the ball when he converted the floater over Dwight.

You said if Al beats Bass or Anderson he still has D12 to deal with. Well, that’s the same thing for anyone playing Orlando, but they are still aggressive in attacking the lane. With what you’re saying, it’s impossible to think anyone else on the team should drive the lane against Orlando because of the one man zone. So then the Hawks should just shoot jumpers out of the motion, and not drive.

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but i want owenership KA BOOM’d and the GM gone…

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For the record, I thought he crashed the boards nicely in the first and third quarters and played generally well on offense in the 2nd and 3rd. But that’s the thing — like everyone else on the team, his positive contributions were interspersed with periods of inconsistency, and he once again struggled to get around the high screen and stop his man’s path to the hoop.

So no pat on the back for him, but I’m not about to single him out either, especially when Joe played like Dion Glover and Al once again proved unable to score on Brandon Bass and Ryan Anderson when matched up on them one-on-one.

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the entire front court needs immediate and severe coachin’ on ball handlin’ in the post…PERIOD!!! it’s a weakness that really haunts this team…

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“Al kept getting rid of the ball when was setting up on the post 1 on 1???? He looked like his buddy Marvin tonight….”

There’s a chance that maybe he was looking to get better position and repost, but whoever he passed the ball to never passed it back. I’d have to go back and look at the game tape to determine if that was the case, but it’s the only logical reason I can think of for him doing that. Honestly, why would someone not want to post up if they are being defended by Ryan Anderson? Al was defended by Anderson quite a bit in this game, too.

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EVERYONE should be uncoachable when they’re not winning. Kobe was. Lebron was. Bosh was. Ewing was. Shaq was. MJ was. JKidd was. Kidd has gotten over 3 coaches fired. Iverson was. All of these great players were uncoachable when they realized they were playing a style of basketball that wouldn’t win.

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“No matter how much you love Josh, you just need to accept how inefficient his scoring in game 5 was. Slice that…”

Here we go again with the increasingly lazy implication that anyone who disagrees with you must “love” Josh. No, you need to accept that your method of calculating efficiency is outdated and not used by the people who crunch basketball numbers for a living. Points per shot attempt is a pretty widely accepted and easy to calculate measure of efficiency. Seeing as how your implication that 22 points on 18 shot attempts is inefficient runs contrary to an established standard of measuring efficiency, maybe I should just call you a “hater”. See how idiotic that argument looks from the other side?

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With all that said, he has to get a lot better from the line, no doubt.

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“Honestly, why would someone not want to post up if they are being defended by Ryan Anderson? Al was defended by Anderson quite a bit in this game, too.”

Answer: When your playoff field goal percentage is 38% (19 of 49)…..down from 55% during the regular season.

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Najeh,

You can manipulate the argument all you want, but the bottom line is that 38% shooting from the field is inefficient, and so is 58% shooting from the free throw line. By the way, as far as the argument about you loving Josh is concerned, I think it’s a pretty fair assumption. Just about anyone on this blog would agree that you defend Josh as much as, if not more than anyone else who posts here, and I’ve seen you called out for it on multiple occasions. Maybe I should say “like” instead of “love” Josh, but it’s very clear that you like him as a player, I don’t see why you would deny that anyway. What’s the point? Anyone who defends any single player to the extent that you do obviously likes the player, otherwise you wouldn’t go to the extent that you do to defend the player. There’s no shame in that when you just admit that you’re a big fan of that player. If you didn’t care for Josh, you wouldn’t waste your time with all of the typing up of defenses when people criticize him.

If you felt the same way about Josh as you feel about anyone else on the Hawks roster, you would be defending the other players that get wrongly criticized when they are criticized. But, in all the time that I’ve ever read this blog, I’ve never noticed you defending anyone else to the extent that you defend Josh. it’s that simple. I’m just pointing out what I see. I just don’t understand why you would call that idiotic. It’s a fair assumption. Just like northcyde defends Joe more than anyone on the blog, that’s the way you seemingly are with Josh. We all know that northcyde is a big fan of Joe and he admits it. People who read the blog regularly assume that you are a big fan of Josh. It’s not some sort of shock.

You can call me a “hater” if you like, but if you look at my track record on the blog, I don’t routinely insult or attack Josh as a player, so I don’t think that’s a very fair assumption, but feel free to think that. It doesn’t bother me. To answer your question, that argument looks significantly more idiotic from the side that that involves calling me a “hater”, but at any rate, I don’t think it’s all that unexpected.

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from the previous blog
Nate ArchiBALL

April 26th, 2011
5:14 pm
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@JeJe – It would help if the following trio shoot better than they did in Sunday’s victory.
Al (6 – 15), Joe (6 – 15 ) and Josh (4 -10)……..40% might not work on the road.
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It didn’t.
Al (3 – 9) Joe (2 of 12) and Josh (7 – 18)….30%

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“April 26th, 2011
5:14 pm
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@JeJe – It would help if the following trio shoot better than they did in Sunday’s victory.
Al (6 – 15), Joe (6 – 15 ) and Josh (4 -10)……..40% might not work on the road.
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It didn’t.
Al (3 – 9) Joe (2 of 12) and Josh (7 – 18)….30%”

Here’s the problem with those 3. Joe is taking way too much time to make his moves/decisions, and as a result he is often passing up open looks or good shots for tough, contested shots. This is, naturally, going to make his shooting percentage very poor, since he’s taking tons of poor shots. As for Josh, he’s settling too much for outside shots, and when he takes the ball inside, I get the feeling that he is more focusing on drawing the foul than he is on finishing and making the shot. Hence he’s missing most of his good shots at the time, and, naturally, he’s just not all that efficient from outside, who when you combine those two things together, his shooting percentage is not going to be very impressive.

Now, for Al, the case is a bit difference. First off, Al is not taking a lot of open jumpers from mid-range, where he excels, due to a couple of factors. For one thing, he is often passing up the open looks in order to run the offensive play and move the ball, and when he is taking miidrange shots, it’s either heaves at the end of the clock that he has to take, or shots that he is taking off-the-dribble after trying to elude a defender on a close-out. Al has hit his open looks with high efficient, but those other midrange shots that I described are obviously going to bring down his percentage. On top of that, when Al has posted up, he has had a few good looks rim out, and when he hasn’t gotten good position in the post, he has forced some shots in the post and missed them. I also think that Al is hesitant to drive the ball with Dwight Howard in the paint, so he is settling outside a lot more. Obviously, his percentage is going to go down due to these factors.

The question is, will the Hawks solve these problems, which are highly self-induced, or will they continue to play to their weaknesses and settle for low-percentage shots?

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Barkley is saying that Magic are going to win this series, and there is no doubt in his mind. He says that the Hawks screwed up with this game and he is, seemingly, suggesting that it cost them this series.

On the other hand, Greg Anthony is saying that the Hawks will win game 6.

Personally, I think that Greg Anthony is much smarter, when it comes to basketball, than Charles Barkley. I think Greg Anthony is the most knowledgeable basketball analyst on TNT/NBATV, so I tend to side with him, but at any rate, it’s obvious that people have a lot of mixed feelings about who will win the series at this point.

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I meant to say “no chance in this game”, not “no chance in this series” in my last post.

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“Maybe I should say “like” instead of “love” Josh, but it’s very clear that you like him as a player, I don’t see why you would deny that anyway. What’s the point?”

Come on now. You’re not stupid and neither am I. The only reason you and others even bother to mention this is to imply that only ardent fans of Smoove the player would bother to defend him. Outside of that, mentioning this does nothing to further your argument.

“You can call me a “hater” if you like, but if you look at my track record on the blog, I don’t routinely insult or attack Josh as a player, so I don’t think that’s a very fair assumption, but feel free to think that. ”

I wasn’t calling you a hater. I was trying to show via example how calling someone a (insert player here)-lover or (insert player here)-hater adds nothing to the conversation other than to insert an unfounded ad hominem accusation into the discussion in an attempt to weaken someone else’s credibility.

For that matter, since you brought up northcyde, I make it a point to try to respond to the points he makes without resorting to calling him a Joe-lover or whatever when I disagree with something he says. Whatever his personal biases for or against any particular player may be, he puts enough thought into the points he makes to where he deserves that.

“If you felt the same way about Josh as you feel about anyone else on the Hawks roster, you would be defending the other players that get wrongly criticized when they are criticized. ”

If anyone else on the Hawks’ roster got criticized to 1/10th the extent that Smoove does, I would be defending them accordingly. My problem is not that Smoove gets criticized; it is that he gets criticized to a level disproportionate to his overall contributions to the team.

Let’s just be real. If Al and Smoove switched their stat lines for this game, this blog would be full of comments about how Al is the only guy on the team with heart and Smoove is useless and needs to be traded. And I say this as someone who likes Al every bit as much as Smoove.

For the record, Teague is my favorite player on this team and has been for at least half the season.

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hate the way they play on most nites…

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Joe plays when he wants to. He signed his contract and now he comes to work when he wants to.

Hawks In 6

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“Let’s just be real. If Al and Smoove switched their stat lines for this game, this blog would be full of comments about how Al is the only guy on the team with heart and Smoove is useless and needs to be traded. And I say this as someone who likes Al every bit as much as Smoove.”

I know this comment was not directed at me, but I have to point out that I’m a bit confused here. Al actually had the better, overall, stat-line in this game than Josh. 9 points, 14 rebounds, 6 assists, and 1 block seems like a better overall contribution than 22 points and 11 rebounds Al had 3 extra rebounds, which means 3 extra possessions for his team and potentially 6-9 more points (12 more points if you want to be extreme and imagine 4-point plays). Also, Al’s 6 assists mean that he also aided in the accumulation of, at minimum 12 extra points for the team. Personally, if I were just looking at the stat lines alone, I would think that Al had a more positive impact on the game. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Al necessarily had a very good game or that he had a better game than Smoove, since I felt that Al was too passive offensively and a bit shaky on the defensive end when guarding the pick-and-roll. I’m just talking about this as if I looked at stats alone without watching the game.

I don’t understand why we’d have to switch the stat lines of Al and Josh to change the perspective. Personally, I’d be more inclined to commend Al or Josh for 9 points on 9 shots, 14 rebounds, and 6 assists, than I would be to commend them for 22 points on 18 shots and 11 rebounds, especially when you consider their positions and the needs of the team.

Maybe I’m being too analytical here, but that’s just my perspective on the matter.

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who cares. pacers played bulls hard and they got blown out worst tonight. mephis blew out #1 spurs by 19 and they 8th seed. stop putting so much into this game. sure i wish we wouldn’t have gotten blown out but we beat them by 9 at they house 1st game. fact is, this is over thursday. the magic id fonna just feel worst. they gonna look like fools when we win thursday after they blew us out. they cant win anyway you look at this. IT IS OVER.

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Just watched the game again and I have a few thoughts on what went wrong. The Magic just had some big 3’s drop in bundles-that doesn’t carry on to the next game.

But, as far as the way the Hawks responded, that is the major issue. We always seemingly give up when we go down by 15+.

When teams lock up on us on D, we should try posting Josh at the free throw line when Joe is being double teamed in the corner “dribbling away.” Josh is a quick one step to the hoop guy, and can also pass to either Marvin on the weak-side or Jamal for a shot.

The major adjustment is the story of my life-Jamal has to play less minutes at the point guard position period. And he should really play less than 30 minutes in my opinion. I hate to rely on stats much, but it is clear that when JC is in the game, we play less as a team offensively.

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“If anyone else on the Hawks’ roster got criticized to 1/10th the extent that Smoove does, I would be defending them accordingly.”

Biggest reason why Smoove has not made an All Star appearance the last two seasons: He plays on a team with two inefficient volume shooters, JJ and JC1, who have carte blanche with their coach to fire away without repercussion.

If you take away JC1 from this lineup and distributed his shots among Al, Marv and Smoove, this would give Smoove the slight stat boost he needs to go from All Star snub to All Star regular. You know this, I know this, Smoove knows this.

So on a night when he balled his ass off to send Dwight Howard to the bench with early foul trouble, how is his good effort rewarded? Las Vegas Larry does not respond by saying “pound it inside to Smoove” to continue to draw fouls against Orlando’s Dwight-less front line. Las Vegas Larry says “let’s get our worst perimeter defender out there to shoot from way outside.”

Did you think JC1 was going to average 25 points for the postseason? Did you think Orlando, the most productive 3-point shooting team in the NBA, was going to shoot 20% for the series? Las Vegas Larry thought so. When Dwight went to the bench, it wasn’t time to pound the ball inside and keep drawing fouls. It was time to get JC1 in there to get his.

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Surely everyone born and/or raised in Atlanta expected them to get blowed out last night! Even more, you should expect them to lose a close game Thursday and get blowed out again in Game 7, that’s just how it has been for over 40 years in this town. It’s Like That and That’s The Way It Is.”

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I cant believe we pay Joe Johnson 20 million to get 5 pts

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Horrible game tonight. With such a bad performance, everybody shares the blame. The HC didn’t have them ready to play, and the players quit just like they did last year. Maybe they felt good about themselves and didn’t care because they knew they had game 6 at home.

In game 6, which team will play tighter? I think the Hawks will. So I hope the fans come out loud and rowdy to support the home team. They will need the support and energy now more than ever.

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O’Brien, they may need the support, but they do not deserve it. Just another of many no-show performances this season. Part of me hopes they lose on Thursday, just so the ASG will have to make major changes.

I can’t stand Josh Smith, but I’m not going to sit here and blame him for all the problems last night. Joe Johnson was back to being worthless. Al Horford was weak. Hinrich was different levels of awful. Larry Drew is totally over his head. Team is a mess.

Tomorrow night’s game is going to be a disaster. They may get blown out. They may go down by a little. But, whatever, they’re going to lose. If you go (and I will be there), be prepared for the lose. It might not be so bad.

But, this team calling for support after another lay down and roll over effort is just absurd. They have to prove themselves. They need to get the fans into the game. It’s on them.

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When they win the series, then I will give them credit, but until then it’s the same old thing for 40 plus years now. I can tell you are a newbie, or you would surely understand where I am coming from. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, build you up only to let ya down over and over again. This is a 4 of 7 series, three wins do not impress me at all when it’s four you need to advance.

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Tough lose of the series. Oh well we’ll do better next year.

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exactly youalreadyknow….i’ve lived through the 1980s teams that always came up way short. Same in part of the 90s….all talk, no actual meaningful wins on the court….

here we go again….

They have their chance to go out and end this thing at home. Shut the heck up and go out and play some damn defense, you idiots!!!!! If you’ll hustle, play some D and take good shots, you should win. What part of that formula don’t you get?

I can hear idiot Smith and even dumber JJ now….”We tried.”

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When all is said and done, it comes down to whether the team runs its offense correctly and defends well. What I suspect most of us feel, including MC, is that we expected what happened last night to come to past and were not disappointed. We all know of the fragile psyche of the team and are worried that what we saw will carry over to Thursday night.

There are three things that more than anything else kills us most nights. That is defense, shot selections and turnovers. We can talk all we want about number of points, rebounds and assist. If the team takes care of those 3 things we will win most games. When we look at those 3 things that takes us back to what controls them and that is coaching.

We did a good job the first few games staying close and not letting them get too far ahead. But we did so with a gimmick offense. Once any team figures out the gimmick we can’t adjust it to keep them guessing. That stymies the defense and makes the offense stagnant. They make us play a half court offense when we should be running and attacking the basket.

In the end maybe a trade for Smoove would be better. He is an amazing talent that I don’t believe has had the type of coaching that would change him for the better. That does not all ways happen. The NBA landscape is littered with players who were not tutored under coaches who could bring out what their potential. If Smoove had been under the tutelage of Popavich, P. Jackson or Doc Rivers, he would be a different player. But, I digress.

If the team really wants to make a statement, they need to win big, not by just a little Thursday night. I can’t help but feel, as I suspect most do on this blog, that if they lose on Thursday, by a big margin or in a squeaker, they have no chance of winning game 7 in Orlando.

I will be in my Hawks jersey (No. 5) rooting for the team when tipoff rolls around and hoping that the team I saw in Game 1 is the team I see in Game 6. Go Hawks!!!!

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All series you have been blogging how bad the how dumb the hawks are and yet you are suprise when they lose.

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Our fan IQ = 0

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terrell

no the pacers lost by more.

and 2nd… the rest of you that have no faith over a game we was gonna lose… then dont tune in thursday and go away. i dont wanna hear your lame asses when we eliminate them. you so called fans are pathetic as it gets. turn your tv off and let real hawks fans enjoy the rest of this.

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great stuff kurt. that j.r. smith analogy was spot on. awesome sometimes amazing talent that just can’t put it together mentally. sounds dead like someone on this hawks team. its sad really. and people just keep harping on the fact that josh still does well or better than other players on this team but fail to realize it’s not about being mediocre its about being great.

look horrible loss last night. i’m not going to put this one all on josh (even though i kill him every time i come on here) it was a collective effort on everyone’s part. josh was probably the only one that came out of the gate with alot of energy. whenever i see that on both ends i give him a pass for missing shots and turnovers. i just want to see the guy play hard all the time.

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tremaine im more than ok how we played. no one even gave us a shot. yet we up 3-2. i swear some of you idiots aill never be happy. get over it. better yet turn tv off and cheer for someone else. we dont need you half asss fans.

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What is Josh Smith -he of the incredible athleticism – doing standing on the 3 point line motionless? Would any other coach tolerate this or worst yet draw this up? They looked like the team I know they are. CRAP. JJ is a total waste of money. He is at least a step and a half slower than last year. All those minutes under Woddy have worn him down. I can hardly wait for his effort in the back end years of this abysmal contract. Why has LD buried Teague? Anyone notice that Phil Jackson yanked Koby last night when he was showing nothing? And Smoove bricks shot after shot and remains on the floor. There has to be accountability for your actions in order for things to change. Please lose this series so I am not lulled into thinking they can do something. or be compelled to watch another set of games only to be exposed to an effort like last nights toal embarassment.
To paraphrase MC “they just kept generally sucking all around”.

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jase- I guess we need more fans like you? Unrealistic! Before this season started ASG hired LD and said that this team would be better. They got worse during the regular season and now idiot fans like you have lowered your expectation. Orlando shot the ball like trash in the first 4 games and the hawks barely won 3 of them. People that understand the game of basketball knew that if Orlando shot the ball better a beat down would be coming. We criticize because we have high expectations for this team. You can go ahead and continue to act like the battered woman that stands by her man no matter what.

THE HAWKS WILL NEVER WIN A TITLE WITH FANS LIKE YOU THAT WILL NEVER HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

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Rick Sund, ASG, Woody, LD-”we want to keep this core together.” WHY? this CORE is fatally flawed!! this is the same core that played boston, lights out AT HOME, then went to boston and got their effin’ socks blew off!!

WHAT IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS “CORE?”

and if i hear one more mf talk about marvin’s upside or this is a “young team” i am goin’ to scream. this effin’ core been together over 5yrs

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Tremaine is on fire! I share your sentiments exactly. I have lived in TN for 2 of the past 4 years and I have not missed one Hawks game with the help of the NBA package and DVR. I know we are so much better than what we are showing and it all goes back to coaching. We have underachieved for the pat two years despite our regular season finish. That just goes to show how talented this team actually is, but the post season is about coaching and we have been extremely deficient for the past couple of years. FREE TEAGUE AND TREMAINE KEEP GIVING THESE IGNORANT b-BALL FANS THE TRUTH.

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CONT.
picked garbage coaches
13. terry stots coach
14. lon kruger coach
15. larry drew coach

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are we the effin’ clippers of the east? lol. the hawks prior to ‘99 were okay, at beast. since then, damn we have made bone head selections. dan dickau, roshawn mcclown. years, years, and years of ineptitude

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Nejeh…

so you were playing about moving up to get AJ?

about a month ago over on DOL’s they were talking about what it would take to get him.. essentially Cincy passing him up.. where did you read the latest chatter about a possible move up for the Falcons. TD can be aggressive when there’s a guy out there we covet..

sucks that we’ll miss all of what is looking to be a crazy draft day b/c the Hawks wanted to take a day off and put themselves in a game 7 situation, game 6.

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When Joe sucks we suck he played terrible offense and defense

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where is chris crawford when you need him? heh

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Amen JeJe Amen….I hope they see that article….

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jeje: it’s sad there’s not much to argue with in that article.

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Marvin posting up Jameer and getting STRIPPED LOL!

Man I knew that was gonna happen the whole time. What a pathetic basketball player. He has awful butter fingers too (just like the rest of this team).

Has Collins gained 30 pounds since the season started? besides manning up Dwight, he cannot jump more than 3 inches off the ground or put up one statistic

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Why the heck was Horford taken out yesterday when Dwight was taken out?

What an idiotic head coach

What’s worse is Dwight only played 29 minutes last night, scored 8 points, and we still got destroyed.

PICK AND ROLL DEFENSE IS GARBAGE

LD YOU ARE A JOKE

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Joe and Jamal both have drew in their back pockets. They can do no wrong in his eyes, the team needs a new regime.

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I absolutely wouldnt mind trading Josh and Marvin this off season. D12 sitting on the bench and we refuse to drive to the rim, Im sick of this jumpshot /dumbshot offense. Watching guys like Darrel Arthur, Carl Landry and Taj Gibson just leaves me asking Y? Y are our players more talented on paper but produce less results,cant blame it all on the coach….. Disgusting

Slim- Al has no back to the basket game -1 predictable move- jump hook going to the middle of the lane or nothing. Efficient shooter but the post game needs major work. Im not sure he should have been an All Star this year. Smoove may not ever make the All Star team. Coaches take notice of his game and all the silly stuff he does. East or west-If Aldridge cant make it then No Smoove ever…… Sad – weve been saying the same crap for years.

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The Magic woke up from the slumber which last season’s series put them into.

They came this year with the notion – parallel to ours – that the major factor in their dominance of the Hawks was Howard’s superiority.

This notion was wrong, as I pointed out all summer long when everyone was obsessed with getting a C to stop Howard (which we had already in our roster, although with far to many hamburgers on his tummy) instead of focusing on the real problem (lack of perimeter D, lack of coaching and – now we know it – lack of heart).

The fact is that last year’s Magic were much much much more than Howard.

It was a collection of shooters who defended well the perimeter (Lewis is a decent defender, Pietrus is an excellent defender, Barnes is an excellent defender, …) and a nice example of a major choker (Carter) who excels against inferior, heartless, clueless opponents (which includes us).

So, this year, with an inferior roster defensively and also on their outside shooting, they “drunkenly” went to Howard, pounding the inside on every possession, standing around in the perimeter waiting for Howard to deliver or for the kick out pass.

Yesterday, with Howard out, they finally realized that all they need to win is to move/pass quickly in the perimeter, drive – attracting the collapsing D – and kick out, leaving Howard to work more as a decoy, a rebounder and a defender.

Expect them to repeat this recipe and for us NOT to adjust.

In particular, with more movement in the perimeter by ORL, Jamal’s lack of D, amplified by LD’s stubbornness to over use him even if his shot is not going down, will cause out defensive “cohesion” (or lack of) to be exposed.

Obviously, this will be coupled with JJ’s “Houdini act”, Al’s “pant-crapping act” and Josh’s emotional but erratic and miss guided efforts.

ORL by 15-25 and back to Florida for the final humiliation.

(I sincerely hope that I am wrong and I wish Jamal drops 50 on these guys, I really do, but… I have ZERO confidence in being wrong)

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these players dont listen to LD and its obvious. We ISO just as much as last yr.LD truly is Woody lite. Should have hired the Coach from indiana. That series was entertaining to watch.

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the obvious has already been mentioned. the hawks weren’t really interested in trying to break a sweat to win game 5 in orlando. they figured they have a game 6 back in atlanta anyways, so unless the magic downright gave the hawks the game, they weren’t interested in showing up. they weren’t interested in working much to close this thing out in orlando.

so after being up 3-1 and looking like this thing was all but over, the hawks decide to toss the magic a freebie and put this series all on one game. the pressure is on the hawks in this game 6 to come out and deliver. if they don’t, do i have any hope they’ll return to orlando for a game 7 and save their arses?

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Before I speake on last nights game, I picked the Hawks to win this series in 6 games (4-2) that has not changed. Would I have liked for them to win in five or four, sure. But the Magic is still an NBA team with talent. As for last night I knew it was going to be a blow out for the simple reason the hawks had a false since of security, they knew they had a game six at home in front of there raucus crowd. I expect the crowd Thursday to be that as of the celtics series in 2008. As ray allen that was the tougest crowd he has ever had to play in front of. So imagine if the magic do not make shots, early they are going to press and you will see it.

To me after the Hawks got down by 20 in the first half, they dialed this game in, and the main thing then was not to sustain any injuries going into game 6, and not to fully drain yourself physically. This was how the hawks played the last six games of the season. And as for Van Gundy’s statement that the first four games of this series was an aberration as opposed to last night, I don’t think so. You have played this team 9 games this season and this is the only blowout you have. The aberration is more of JJ scoring 5, Jamaal scoring 8, al 8, Hinrich 6, and Marvin your second leading socorer with 12. Josh and Marvin were the only 2 players in double figures, to me that’s your aberration. The Hawks have the confidence that they can beat this team when it counts most, and they will prove it Thursday, Hawks win this game by 5 points or more.

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By the way let’s not forget the hawks are 6-3 against the magic this year and two of those wins have come in orlando, but the magic are yet to win in Atlanta this year. I just think the hawks are going back to that 2010 home court adavantage when they were 34 – 7 at home in these playoffs it is going to be a tough place for anybody to get a win in this years playoffs.

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I agree there’s not much to argue with in that article, but would be nice if AJC would retaliate or something

Schultz or Bradley

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THE ATLANTA FANS ARE DUMB AND STUPID. IS IT RACE THE REASON YOU CALL THIS TEAM STUPID? I SWEAR ATL STINKS AS SPORTS TOWN. THESE SAME STUPID IDIOTS THAT BLOG PROBABLY DONT GO TO A GAME

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FIRE LD
FIRE SUND
FIRE BASG

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Slimjr

April 27th, 2011
12:28 am

not impressed with josh scoring 20+,northcyde will probably have a stat that says when Magic jr scores 20+ pts, the Hawks have losing record……………………Yawn………….

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I’m assuming “Magic Jr” is Josh Smith.

If so, we’re 6 – 4 in the playoffs when he scores 20 or more points. The key for him is to shoot over 50% FG while scoring 20+ points. When he shoots below 40%, we’re not winning.

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“For those knowledgeable fans who wish for Al
to make a move & drive to the basket
[since he's playin' the [4] and guarded by RA or BB]
you realize Dwight is playing a 1 man zone (when he’s in)
and Orl doesn’t even bother to guard Collins, et al….. right ?
Therefore Al would still have to contend with Dwight.
Yawl get that…..right ?”

Grandad,
Adrian Dantley at 6′5″ would destroy Dwight in the paint!
Charles Barkley at 6′4″ would destroy Dwight in the paint..
Allstar Al at 6′10.5″ would disappear in the paint……LOL

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Dwight committed about 15 3 second violations (offense + defense) last night

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LD starte teague the hawks will run magic of the court.

TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS,
Teague and josh out on fast break will be unstoppable, plus your team is balance, HINRICH, JAMAL, DAMIEN, MARVIN, ZAZA, is a good second unit 2 continue the pace, teague with the second unit just don’t fit.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Probably Allstar AL and Marvin are best of friends………………………………

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Larry= Highschool head coach….

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Najeh . . part of the reason why people say that he had an inefficient game, is that at no point in that game did his FG shooting % get above 40%, nor his FT shooting% get above 60%.

He started out the game 1 – 6 FG in that 1st quarter . . a quarter in which he and Horford combined to go 2 – 11 FG. The game was essentially lost in that quarter with their inability to convert on at least 50% of their shots, combined with the passive play of JJ ( only taking 2 shots in the quarter . . when he has gotten off to decent to good starts in the 1st quarter in our 3 wins vs Orlando ).

At halftime, Smith was 4 – 12 FG while going 3 – 6 FT . . for 11 points. By this time, the game was essentially over, which probably caused people to tune out on the game.

Midway through the 3rd quarter, he was 1 – 3 FG and 3 – 4 FT. So at that point, he was 5 – 15 FG and 6 – 10 FT for 16 points.

Then he finished the quarter with a layup and a three and took one more three for good measure, but missed it. In all, he had a very good 3rd quarter ( 3 – 6 FG . . 4 – 7 FT . . for 11 points ).

But like I said . . at no time in that game was he shooting over 40% FG or 60% FT overall in that game, which does make it seem like he didn’t have an efficient game. He wasn’t garbage, like people are letting on to be. But in essence, he had a horrible 1st quarter, a mediocre 2nd quarter, and a good 3rd quarter.

It’s just that the good 3rd quarter came when we were down 20+ points. So some of the people watching the game probably discount the good work he did in the 3rd that helped boost his overall stats.

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LOL @ Aaron’s 1:24 am post.

I agree.

I will admit that I’m a Joe Johnson defender. But even I’m not going to waste time defending him during a blowout loss . . especially if he played poorly when we needed him to play well the most.

Had JJ not come through in Game 4 in those final moments, he was going to be roundly criticized. And it wouldn’t have been too much I could’ve said to sugarcoat his performance in those first 3 quarters of that game.

Had last night’s game been close, and Smith was helping to keep us within striking distance, I think you could overlook the poor shooting and FT percentages overall, and give him the benefit of the doubt. The focus would be that he played well in the 3rd, which made up for his poor play in the 1st.

But because the 1st quarter set the tone for us being blown out, what he did in the 3rd doesn’t hold as much significance. I think that’s why people are blasting Josh.

Honestly, the entire time deserves to be blasted, JJ and Jamal included. We’re not going to win anything with both of them shooting a combined 4 – 20 FG. They can’t play like that . . ever . . and expect this team to overcome that.

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JJ did play very well in the 1st quarter of Game 4, but disappeared for about the next 30 minutes of that game, before coming alive at the end. And even then, he was making a bad play for every good play, and turning the ball over left and right. Had he’d missed a few FTs down the stretch, and we’d lost, I don’t know how I could’ve spun that.

I would’ve had to focus on the 1st quarter, and how he essentially helped give us the initial lead. But had he choked in the 4th, there’s no way people would’ve been buying what I was selling.

LOL . . the bottom line is that this team has to close out Orlando tomorrow. If they mess it up, things could get very bad around here. The negativity will be at an all-time high, and I wonder if the guys will be mentally tough enough to win a close out game on the road. A team that has been a NOTORIOUSLY HORRIBLE road team during the playoffs the past 4 years.

It’s a scenario that I do not want to see.

If that situation happened, and we get blown out in Game 7, you almost have to blow the team up and bring in a new mix . . from the players to the front office.

As flawed as this team is, I will never root for them to lose, just to shake things up.

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” IS IT RACE THE REASON YOU CALL THIS TEAM STUPID?”

Is this a serious question? I always assumed at least half the people posting here are black…

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Northcyde,

I agree, that it wasn’t like Josh was utterly outstanding lastnight.

But the point that was being made was that it is incredible to call him out as being specifically WILDY ineffecient on a night when he was, regardless of the outcome of the game, arguably the most productive guy on the court period.

Like I said, I have my faults with Josh’s shot selection, which is induced by the scheme in which he plays if you ask me (remember last year Woody made it a point to try NOT put Josh in a position where he would be seduced into taking some of those shots and he didn’t) and his pouting.

I really wish that Josh would say to hell with scheme and play to his strengths sometimes, but could you imagine what would be written and said if he did that and the coach was consistently calling him out for not playing within the system????

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnf3N_WC_W0

If you watch this video when they’re on the bench, Jamal and LD are hi-fiving and Horford is telling them to stop and that the game is not over. Where is this leadership from Al on the floor?

he shows it sometimes, but I was counting on him to make sure we played well last night

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New life goal: Become a billionaire and buy the Hawks so that someone who actually cares about them will be in charge of them. That’s the problem here, our owners seem like they couldn’t care less about how the Hawks do and as a result we are one of the most unmotivated teams in the league. My point is that if we get an “ideal” owner, one who is involved and puts all his efforts into his team, we can be a force. But our organization as a whole seems to lack any kind of drive and it shows and Atlanta is about to give up a 3-1 lead to lose the series. Perhaps losing in epic fashion is the best thing for us. Maybe THEN one of the higher-ups will realize that this simply isn’t working.. but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

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City of Futility,

I wonder if ASG is ecstatic about losing game 5, so they can make money from Game 6 being at Philips

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News flash!!!!! your maker wont care if your azz is mocha or vanilla!!!!!!!!!!!!! meditate on that…….

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JeJe . . you’re going to hate my answer . . but we’re going to have to start switching hard on that pick and roll if we can’t stop it. If the guards can’t fight through the screens or anticipate where the screen will be so that they won’t be completely caught up in it, we’ll have to switch on it. And that will mean less of Jason Collins in the game and more Horford at center.

Or use Smith to come out and trap on the guards, and leave Brandon Bass open on a few possessions, to see if he can knock down shots.

Honestly, I thought the Magic would make this type of adjustment earlier in the series. Running everything through Dwight, while him being very efficient, was playing right into our hands. He does all of the work, while the other guys stand around and watch. And when he makes turnovers, it opens things up for us offensively.

What you saw last night was the Magic figuring something out without Dwight in the game, and exploiting the hell out of that.

Of course, another option would be to see if Teague and Damien can control the guards a little bit, but Drew won’t go that route. Hinrich, JJ, and Jamal simply have to play tougher on D.

On offense, it’s always a bad sign to me when Smith comes out firing. I’d much rather for us to try to get JJ going, and have the defense react to him, so that it opens things up for other people.

It’s like I’ve been saying all year about “balance”. If JJ misses a few jumpers, there’s a greater chance that Smith or Horford may get an offensive rebound and score on that possession. But if Smith and Horford are missing jumpers, no one is going to rebound their misses.

Mr Johnson must come out highly aggressive in that 1st quarter tomorrow, just like he’s had been doing in games 1 – 4. If he can get going, that’ll open up things for everyone else.

In the previous 4 games, the tone of the game had been set by our guards, including Hinrich. They need to do it again in Game 6, which should open up things for Horford and Josh.

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“I wonder if ASG is ecstatic about losing game 5, so they can make money from Game 6 being at Philips”

I wouldn’t be surprised, that seems like the type of owners we have! The thing is, we DO have some conference champion talent. But we just HORRIFICALLY mismanage it, so much that we look like conference bottom-feeders. We don’t need a magical franchise-changing draft pick (although I wouldn’t complain) or new players, we need a more motivated, passionate organization.

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free teague for more and more pt?????? Get him ready to deal with Rose???

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Atlanta please win the next one so Bulls can beat you 4-0 muhahahahahaha

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Hawks you are banned from attending any strip clubs or any clubs for the rest of the playoffs. go act a fool on your vacation….it will be here soon enough! BUSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Haha seriously Slim, it drives me crazy when professional (and even college) athletes go partying like crazy and then wonder why they lost. Partying completely destroys any focus you might have.

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The only statistical category the Hawks won last night? Personal fouls. That was an utterly pathetic game on both ends of the floor, as Jamal didn’t step up, the defense was half-hearted, the rebounding was just ignored, and nobody shot well at all. The 3-1 lead was nice, but performances like lat night will mean a one-way ticket home. Check it out:

http://tinyurl.com/3c3b7oe

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Najeh . . I tell you why the perception is though. You don’t go to the lengths to defend other people, like you do Josh Smith. When people criticize JJ, you rarely come to his defense. Same goes with Horford. But let people criticize Smith, and it’s always some sort of counter statement to try to make it seem like he’s not playing as bad as he really is.

Or it’s a “well everybody else is playing bad too, so why single him out?”

All of what you say may be true. But I think everyone on the blog sees that you do this much more often with Smith, than with any other player on the squad.

Like I said . . I tend to do the same thing with JJ. But unlike yourself, I don’t claim to not have some sort of bias toward JJ. LOL . . everybody knows I’ll try to give JJ the benefit of the doubt, unless he’s just flat out sucking ( like he did last night ).

Just admit that Josh Smith is your favorite player, and I don’t think people will call you out on your statements. But as long as you try to say that you’re an objective observer, but continue to defend to downplay Smith’s transgressions and not other players, they’ll continue to call you out.

LOL . . I don’t know man. I think you almost unconsciously do it, without even realizing it.

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come on guys,

i know we just got beat up but did we expect to win in a do or die situation against orlando on their home floor???
the difference was they hit shots and we did not …..it simple they hit 7 more 3 pointes than us thats enough to put us in a very close game.
hawks will win at home thursday in a tough game bc they know if they lose they will not win in game 7 in orlando.
i think with howard on the floor that slows down their offense, if hes in the game they dont shoot as many 3 pointers we cover them better bc of ono on one coverage of howard.

i said before the series hawks win in 6 and they will close it out in front of a spectacular crowd..
so guys lets show up to phillips arena a cheer on our hawks to win, bc we are the sixth man

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Who are these guys?

What happened to that young, hungry, veteran group that closed ranks and dug-in for the playoffs?

Instead of taking care of their business like professionals, they resort back to their alter-ego – the Atlanta Quitters. I doubt there’s another NBA playoff team that could hold D.Howard to 8pts. and lose by 30!

Rather than seizing upon an opportunity to regain their swagger and impose their will upon a quality playoff opponent, they resort to coonery. Our All-star backcourt: Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Kurt Hinrich are dominated by 40yr. old’s Gilbert Arenas and Quinton Richardson and NBDL JJ Reddick.

Oh! And don’t think it’s going to get better just b/c your coming back to ATL. Opportunity lost is opportunity lost. The Atlanta Quitters have resurfaced – prepare yourselves for a calamity of collossal proportions.

Down 3-1, the Atlanta Quitters lose three straight to Orlando!

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Tyger . . that’s the reason why you play for homecourt.

And let me get on some of you “fans” for a minute. As soon as we went up 3 – 1, some of you were talking like we were a lock to face the Bulls. But as soon as the blowout happens, you doubt the team again.

In essence, some of the fans are just as mentally fragile and unstable as the team seems to be. So how about some of YOU get some mental toughness as well . . and believe in this team. Believe that they can get it done against a team in which they’ve held down most of the year.

You know what I say to Orlando? DO IT AGAIN.

Prove that what you did last night was the REAL Orlando, and not the bricklaying team that we’ve seen the entire year, before last night.

As for you fans, stop expecting the absolute worst from this team, as soon as they hit a bump in the road. And if you haven’t been to a playoff game yet, and you don’t have any other things to do, GO TO THE DAMN GAME!!

Memphis’ playoff slogan is “Believe Memphis”. It’s a great marketing campaign that is plastered all over that city.

I guess Atlanta’s playoff slogan is “Panic Atlanta”.

Get behind the damn team for once, and believe that they can get it done.

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@Tony Orlando

Hey buster go jump in the Atlantic Ocean and try to out swim a great white..I hear they like food on a stick like you….LOL

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Josh for Rudy Gay

Josh and Marvin and Kirk for CP3 and a 1st round pick…

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Please quit calling Smith “Smoove”.
Where the heck did that name come from?

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Well Jazzy . . . I hope someone in the Hawks organization is savvy enough to bring the writer’s comments to the attention of the team, much like Jameer’s comments was made to Derrick Rose about seeing him in the 2nd round, before the playoffs even started yet. In fact, if I were part of the ATL promotions team, I would skip the glitzy pre-game video, and just have someone come on the big screen and read excerpts of that article. See if that will fire the Hawks up a bit.

At the end of the night tomorrow, we may be thanking your idiot sportswriter for encouraging the Hawks to play harder and “smarter”.

If we’re the “Atlanta Birdbrains” . . you guys are the “Orlando Illusion” . . because your team isn’t nearly as good as you think you are. Both of these teams are hella flawed.

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Here is what the Orlando press is sayin…..win on thursday or start over once again……

“Magic will now find a way to beat the Atlanta Birdbrains”

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-bianchi-magic-0427-20110426,0,7657264.column

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Just because Atlanta has no history of championships, doesn’t mean that the fans should bail on the team ( whether it be the Braves, Falcons, or Hawks ), every time they face a little trouble. Even if Game 6 is going a little bad, don’t go home at the end of the 3rd quarter, if we’re only down 9 points.

BELIEVE that your presence and energy in that arena can encourage the Hawks to play better. But damn . . that means acting like a PASSIONATE fan base. I know ATL fans aren’t accustomed to acting like that, but we have shown the ability to do it at times during the playoffs.

Just don’t mentally bail out on the team. Not right now.

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I can never decide who’s game I hate the most on this team. Josh Smith is always making boneheaded plays and whining, but it seems like the guy really wants to win. Joe Johnson on the other hand is always hiding in silent apathy. I’m starting to to like Josh’s game more

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The Orlando Illusion . . . that’s the name I’m calling them from now on. Just like how I refuse to call Josh Smith “Smoove” anymore . . because I want him to play tougher ( or as Doc says . . play like “Smash” ) . . I’m not calling Orlando the “Magic” anymore.

They’re the “Illusion” until further notice.

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get Gearon’s 300 million dollar man attention, dont show up tomorrow night…………

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RESPECT?

This is what I’m talking about 303.

You were in that dang arena over the weekend, and saw the Hawks handle that team twice. But because they had their WTF type game on the road, they have to “earn” your respect now?

F— that man. Get behind your team REGARDLESS of how they played.

That’s why people constantly rip ATL as a sports town. If a bad loss like that is going to cause you to lose respect for them, despite the Hawks beating the Magic 5 out of 9 times this year, then I don’t know what to say.

That team doesn’t need to gain your respect . . . you need to believe in the damn team more. And I know once the game tips off, you’ll be right there because you always are.

ATL fans just need to stop being so damn fragile. The playoffs are on a year to year basis. Things can change at the drop of a hat. The Illusion have only shot the ball well against us ONE TIME this year. So I tell them to do it again.

It’s crazy how some of the fans can go from thinking the Hawks are an ECF lock after going up 3 – 1, to totally bailing out on the team after a bad loss, despite still having the home court.

Now if they lose Game 6, that’s when you should worry. But I don’t think the Illusion are that good at all. Do it again Orlando Illusion. Prove that your shooting performance against us wasn’t a fluke, even though you’ve shot horribly in 8 of the 9 games this year.

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come on guys,AGAIN

i know we just got beat up but did we expect to win in a do or die situation against orlando on their home floor???
the difference was they hit shots and we did not …..it simple they hit 7 more 3 pointes than us thats enough to put us in a very close game.
hawks will win at home thursday in a tough game bc they know if they lose they will not win in game 7 in orlando.
i think with howard on the floor that slows down their offense, if hes in the game they dont shoot as many 3 pointers we cover them better bc of ono on one coverage of howard.

i said before the series hawks win in 6 and they will close it out in front of a spectacular crowd..
so guys lets show up to phillips arena a cheer on our hawks to win, bc we are the sixth man

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even Gearon dont believe this ish!
hawks=write off to that dude born with a golden spoon in his mouth….

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The loss last night was not just a loss.It was a CATASTROPHIC LOSS!!!!!!!!!!

The players bailed in the 1st 8 mins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We Fans should be totally beside ourselves with the sh_t they dumped on the floor down there in Orlando..TNT was wise not to put this garbage on their station!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My remote will be ready once again to tune out another pickup game…..

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The Memphis core of Conley – Randolph – Gasol – Mayo – and Gay have been together for 3 years. The difference, is that the Memphis front office had sense enough to draft talented people in the 1st round that can produce, along with bringing in defensive minded reserves via free agency and trades.

But keep in mind that the Grizzlies had been to the playoffs 3 times in their history . . and were 0 – 12. They had never won a playoff game. So that’s why the playoff slogan was “Believe Memphis”. Believe that the Griz can make a little noise in the playoffs. And once Battier hit that 3 to beat San Antonio in Game 1, the belief was through the roof by the time the Griz came home in Game 3.

If they suffer the same fate that we did last night, and get blown out in Game 5, that fan base isn’t going to start doubting the Griz, seeing that they’ve also beaten the Spurs in 5 out of 8 games.

This is NOT last year’s Orlando team. They may think that one blowout solves all of their problems. But I say . . do it again. Prove that the cold shooting that we’ve seen all year out of that team when they’ve faced us, is the norm . . or a fluke.

They’ve shot the ball well one time against us. So I say . . JJ Redick . . score 15 points again. If he doesn’t . . that team may be screwed.

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If you would have told me before the game that:

We would hold Orlando to 41% shooting last night

And Dwight would have 8 pts and 8 rbs. and be out of the game for a long stretch in the first half because of foul trouble, I would have told you we will win that game, not be blown out by 25.

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if the Hawks are down by 25 in the 3rd, that arena should start emptying out.. That will send a msg…..You think???…Cause the players wont show up for game seven, you can lock it in and collect…

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see your onus is aimed at ORL, mine is aimed at the Hawks!!! i say Hawks…play like a damn pro team and not this AAU $hit you tend to bring to the court…have some damn pride in the product you bring to the court…and if you can’t do it for yourself then do it for your fans and the city. be pros damn it!!! this NO HEART $hit on some nites has to f’n end…PERIOD!!!

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The Memphis core of Conley – Randolph – Gasol– Mayo – and Gay is greater than Josh- Allstar AL- Marvin- ISO…………..

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@northcyde…see why aimin’ the bailin’ thing at me??/ not even necessary. we are discussin’ the team. and for the record if you ain’t been a fan since the 70s , LIKE ME, then take your aim elsewhere!!! and that’s puttin’ it nicely!!!

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Game 5 is over and the Hawks need to focus on Game 6. It is extremely important for the Hawks to perform well from the start by shooting quality, high-percentage shots, playing gritty, tenacious defense, establishing a lead of about seven to ten points, and taking control of the game throughout the first quarter. This good start will give the team and the ATL fans an enormous boost of confidence and optimism that the Hawks can indeed close this series out in Atlanta. However, if the Hawks stumble out the gate early, Larry Drew (LD) should not hesitate to call a quick time-out and settle the team down so the game doesn’t get out of hand early. Also, if J-Smoove starts taking and missing ill-advised, deep perimeter 2pt. shots and 3pt. shots, LD should immediately substitute J-Smoove with J-Craw aka “The Difference” and move JJ to the (SF) three spot.

I don’t want to be overly critical of J-Smoove but I can’t understand how he is allowed to attempt deep, perimeter field goals when he has a career free throw percentage under 70%. If he (J-Smoove) shot 80%+ from the free throw line for his career, I could see him being allowed to take deep, perimeter shots. On the other hand, I can’t put all the blame on J-Smoove. His teammates at times pass him the ball while he’s out on the perimeter to take those long-distance jumpers. I remember watching the last regular season matchup between the Hawks and Celtics on ESPN which the Hawks won. I recall Dan Schulmann asking Hubie Brown how do you get a player like Josh Smith to stop taking deep, perimter shots. Hubie Brown responded by saying you have to run plays for him (Josh Smith) in the post because it’s obvious he (Josh Smith) is comfortable out there (on the perimeter) and, if allowed, he will stay out there (on the perimeter) and keep shooting. Hubie Brown further stated that by allowing Josh Smith stay out there and shoot perimeter jumpers, you (Coach Larry Drew) are allowing him (Josh Smith) to dicate to you (LD) when you (LD) should be dictating to him (Josh Smith). Unless there is a conflict of interest, I think the Hawks should look into hiring Hubie Brown as a consultant of some sort because I think he provides expert analysis and he seems partial to the Hawks.

In conclusion, if the Hawks defend the three point arc well and don’t allow the Magic perimeter players to get hot from the outside, I like the Hawks chances to win Game 6 and close out this series.

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hawks win by 10 points plus tom… you heard it 1st from me

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“Please quit calling Smith “Smoove”.
Where the heck did that name come from?”

I only call him that because a) MC does and b) there is another Josh on the team. When the Hawks are mercifully rid of Josh Powell and his “championship experience”, I’ll go back to referring to Smoove as Josh.

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WIN TOMORROW

Northcyde, I am nervous about tomorrow. Our P&R defense is suspect. Nash destroyed Horford earlier this year a thousand times in that game in Phoenix. Who says it won’t happen tomorrow? Guys were not running out to contest shooters quick enough

Ugh

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playoff basketball is all about teams w/ identities..

i will not be surprised if we make history. those mid range jumpers must fall folks, simple as that.

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Hawks will close it out Thurs.ISO and JC1 will show up and bail out the bigs

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northcyde

” Like I said . . I tend to do the same thing with JJ.
But unlike yourself, I don’t claim to [not]
have some sort of bias toward JJ. LOL . .
everybody knows I’ll try to give JJ the benefit of the doubt,
unless he’s just flat out sucking ( like he did last night ) ”

northcyde, my friend, your post ever @ 1:43 pm.
*(not for the criticism of Najeh)*
–But– for your self analysis.
It came from the heart.

I, too, admit that Al is my favorite Hawk.
On the other hand;
my favorite players are ” Team ” -&- ” Teammate “.

I have bickered with you about Joe,
not because I dislike Joe, but he most likely frustrates me
more than others due to his hallmark as face of the franchise
magnifies his shortcomings.

Whereas, over the years, I’ve cut Marv a little slack,
due to the fact that he didn’t draft himself. (# 2 overall)

I guess what I’m trying to say is;
kudos for making your point w/o statistical analysis.

My last point, I promise;
Najeh & yourself have every right to defend whomever
yawl choose and however yawl choose,
–&–
I’ll critique the same.

This blog is a wonderful uniqe community.

” I love you guys ”
– Coach Norman Dale — Hickory HS, Huskers, [circa 1952]

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In reading the majority of the hawks blogs today, I sense a lot of panic with Hawk fans. As I indicated previously on a blog, the percentages are with the Hawks and the Hawks still have a favorable advantage over the Magic. FOLKS, THE HAWKS ARE STILL IN THE DRIVERS SEAT. THE MAGIC ARE FACING ELIMINATION AND THE HAWKS ARE NOT. WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE BECAUSE ITS TRUE. THE HAWKS WONT BE FACING ELIMINATION UNLESS THE HAWKS LOSE TOMORROWS GAME AT PHILLIPS. THEN BOTH TEAMS WILL BE IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT. THERE WILL BE MORE PRESSURE ON THE MAGIC BECAUSE THE MAGIC WILL HAVE BEEN IN THREE ELIMINATION GAMES IN A ROW AND ITS REALLY, REALLY HARD TO WIN THREE OF THEM IN A ROW. HISTORY SAYS IT WONT HAPPEN. THE HAWKS WINNING THE SERIES WITH THE MAGIC IS 95% CERTAIN TO OCCUR. I LIKE THE HAWKS ODDS. THE MAGIC BEATING THE HAWKS AND WINNING THE SERIES IS ABOUT 5% PROBABILITY OF HAPPENING. THOSE ODDS ARE REAL TINY TO ME AND I THINK ARE JUST NOT FAVORABLE ENOUGH TO TAKE TO THE BANK. WHO DO YOU THINK HAS THE BETTER ODDS. I’LL TELL YOU THIS. IF THE HAWKS DONT CLOSE OUT THE SERIES AT PHILLIPS THEN I THINK THE MAGIC WILL WIN GAME 7 BY AT LEAST 70-100 POINTS. BUT IF THE HAWKS BEAT THE MAGIC AT PHILLIPS, FOLKS THE HAWKS WILL HAVE BEATEN THE MAGIC 7 OUT OF 10 TIMES THIS SEASON. THAT WILL BE A PHENOMINAL RECORD AGAINST A TEAM THAT HAS OWNED THE HAWKS IN THE PAST. IT WILL APPEAR TO ME LIKE THERE IS A CHANGING OF THE GUARD IN THE MAGIC/HAWKS SERIES MATCHUP. IT USED TO BE THE HAWKS WERE SCARED TO COMPETE WITH THE MAGIC AND DID A POOR JOB OF COMPETING. THIS YEAR THE HAWKS WERE 70% SUCCESSFUL AGAINT THE MAGIC. I SEE THAT AS A DEFINITE IMPROVEMENT BUT FANS ARE JUST EXPECTING THE HAWKS TO WIN 100% OF THE GAMES AGAINST THE MAGIC AND THE HAWKS CANT DO THAT BECAUSE THE MAGIC ARE STILL A VERY ELITE 50-WIN TEAM.

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That’s the ticket, it’s the FAN’s Fault…

That makes alot of sense, afterall, we didn’t stay in front of Arenas and Riddick. We kept jacking jump shots instead of penetrating. We didn’t hustle, we didn’t care.

That’s right, its the Fan’s fault.

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this team is who they’ve shown themselves to be..PERIOD!!! choose your own sample size…from and however you want. i know where i get mine…simple…the eyeball test

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FIRE LD

WE GOTTA WIN TOMORROW OR WE WILL BE CLOWNED BY THE MEDIA

WELL NOT REALLY, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW THIS TEAM IS SOFT LIKE MARSHMALLOWS

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watched…

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Celtics#33forever: you just hit the nail on the head. If the Hawks dont treat game 6 as though its game 7, knowing full well that if they lose they have to fly to Amway Arena to play the Magic in game 7, the Hawks wont accomplish it because Orlando is too pumped up to let the Hawks win on their home floor like they did in game 1. Of course the Hawks did win on the road in game 1, but that was before the Magic started making their shots. It will be a tough challenge for the Hawks but the Hawks should close out the Magic in game 6 and rest up to play the Chicago Bulls in the second round. The Hawks should forget that they have two chances to win the series becuase I know the Hawks are going to lose game 7 to the Magic. Three years ago when the Hawks forced the Celtics to a 7th game at the TD Garden in Boston, the results were like a Horror Film with the Hawks losing game 7 to Boston by about 40 points. Of course the Celtics went on to win the title, so it was the champions that the Hawks were losing to, but this is why you play the regular season and try to have a great record so that if there happens to be a game 7, then you earned the right to have it on your home floor. The Hawks should have finished with a better record than the Magic. Lord knows they have better talent and they had enough chances to win 60 games this year, but since the Hawks didnt think the regular season was important, the Hawks lost the last 6 games of the season to get rested and polished for the playoffs. That didnt help them last night as the Hawks got blown out by 26 points. The Hawks need to come out of the gates quickly tomorrow night and grab an early lead in the first quarter, build that lead and go up at halftime by at least 20 points. This way I think if the Hawks trade baskets the rest of the way in the second half, the Hawks should win the game by at least 20 points and be proud to advance and elevate their franchise to a new level by beating a world beater like the Magic. Should the Hawks close out the Magic and beat them, it will be more impressive than the Hawks beating Milwaukee or the Heat over the past two seasons, because the Magic are considered one of the top 3 teams in the conference. Also I saw the predictions of at least 10 sports affiliates and all of them picked the Magic to win the series even after the Hawks took a commanding 3-1 lead. None of them changed their predictions because they thought the Magic would eventually dominate which they did last night. Again, as I said yesterday, should the Hawks defeat the Magic, the Hawks will win the NBA championship as well. Go Hawks, win in 6 games.

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Sorry to say but,I’m expecting 2 more L’s.JJ is awfull.It takes so much time to make his move and he is so slow of the dribble.No PASSION,NO HEART ,NO WIN.Ihate myself for being a HAWKS fan

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I have faith in this team. I know last night’s loss looked bad, but you have to keep in mind that this team has been able to defeat the Magic in a huge majority of the teams’ meetings this season. Also, as much as you all want to criticize the Hawks for being mentally fragile and weak-minded, keep in mind that no one wants to lose. No one wants to be embarrassed. Even if the players don’t say it, don’t think for a second that they don’t still remember the embarrassment at the hands of the Magic last season. Don’t think for a second that this team is not hungry for revenge. That series blowout last year left a deep scar in their hearts and they remember it. They probably remember the final score from each of those 4 blowout losses. Don’t think that that fire isn’t burning in their hearts. They want to prove that they are better than this Magic team. They probably want to win this game 6 more than they’ve wanted to win any game in their lives. Don’t underestimate the Hawks, if they have anything going for them, it’s the underdog card. Too often teams have taken them lightly and they’ve made them pay. I, truly, believe that if the Hawks play their best basketball, the Magic cannot beat them. We all know the Magic are going to bring it tomorrow, but I have a strong feeling that the Hawks are going to be ready and they are going to hit Orlando so hard that the Magic won’t be able to recover. The Hawks need to show what they are made of in closeout situations, even moreso than they have the previous years against Milwaukee and Miami.

It’s up to us fans to help out. Let’s make Phillips arena the most uncomfortable place on the planet for the Magic tomorrow. Let’s make those arrogant pircks feel like garbage for disrespecting this team and acting like we’re a joke. Let’s help the Hawks put an end to the Magic’s false sense of entitlement. The Hawks will be ready tomorrow. I hope you are too.

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Hawks are leading the series 3-2. Something they’re doing is right! Well, more right than the other team. We can’t speak on the future unless you are “Nostradomas or David Sterns”

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the hawks will start switching that pick and roll…

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Craig this is the perfect opportunity to play your secret weapon jeff teague, he bring the crowd to there feet with energy and him getting josh out on the wing for a thunder dunk, with the half court game if shots are not falling then hawks are in trouble, but teague bring a different diameter that no other player on this team have and thats the pace of the game, let me also say this if teague couldn’t play defense i would understand LD justice for not playing him, but he is your best defender at point guard so why has teague not played in this series is clueless to me.

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In our 2 losses, JJ is averaging 9.5 pts and shooting 30% from the field. From Jeff Schultz new blog;

But Johnson didn’t do nearly enough to prevent the loss – or even collective team humiliation – from happening. And yes, he does deserve a greater share of the blame than Josh Smith or Jamal Crawford or anybody else on the roster because more is expected from him.

Such are the little inconveniences that come with a $123.7 million contract...

This team needs JJ to get off to a good start in game 6. And when Jamal comes in, we need him to make a couple shots too.

“Joe and Jamal are our main guys who put the ball in the hole,” Josh Smith said. “We depend on them to get us involved at the offensive end, because when they start making shots, it opens things up for everybody else.”..

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I can’t believe we are discussing /complaining about nicknames……..
Nicknames have bee apart of the NBA for years. – Jerry West (Zeke from Cabin Creek), Walt “Clyde” Fraizer, Oscar Robertson (The Big “O”), Wilt Chamberlain (”The Big Dipper”) John “Hondo” Havlicek, Earl “The Pearl” Monroe, Earvin “Magic” Johnson, Julius “Dr. J ” Erving…….. just to name a few. You have the option to refer to them by their given name or nickname —It’s up to you.

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There’s also the idea of playing Jeff Teague to help with the pick-and-roll defense, but we all know that Drew will never attempt to play Teague in this series that unless several of his “shot-makers” are in foul trouble, or if it’s a blowout situation in the fourth quarter.

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“what LD have to do is don’t let collins or zaza follow him up so high stay back in the paint because you and i no that howard can’t shoot jump shots, he have come back toward the paint so why follow him so high, just stay back and don’t follow howard and hawks be okay.”

This is what the Hawks were doing in Game 5. It doesn’t work because it’s not that simple. With Collins or Zaza just laying back while Dwight goes to set the pick, it leaves the Hawks guard who is trying to defend the pick caught on a Dwight screen, which leaves Nelson or Turkoglu (whoever is the ball-handler) open to either shoot an open jumper, drive the ball, or scout the floor to make an interior pass all before the Hawks perimeter defender has a chance to recover off of the pick. This also forces our bigs to come into the lane to help on the ball-handler, which leaves shooters open on the wings, and forces us to scramble to get back to them.

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Who will be on the next Madden Cover? Almost 13 million people voted…and the winner is…

Peyton Hillis? he beat Mike Vick in the final. Peyton Hillis? Cleveland Browns? Really?

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Superior, I agree that we need to make a deal with Minnesota to grab their lottery pick to be in position to draft Derrick Williams.He’s more gifted than Josh and Marvin combined and just as big and stronger…..That dude will be a beast/star in the NBA!

Hawks will win tomorrow..up next Chicago!

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James,

That’s why on the pick and roll you either put Teague out there to slow Jameer down, not going to happen, or you trap hard, or you tell the guards you dont have to try to fight over top of the screen so hard on every play. If Orlando is insistent on playing that way an alternate line up I would like to see is Teague – hinrich – Joe – Josh – Al.

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Slimjr -

So, the question is why would Minnesota do that. Well, unless you’re counting on Minnesota making another move that makes people slap their forehead in disbelief, which would pretty much be par for the course for the ‘Wolves.

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JeJe

April 27th, 2011
10:58 am
Marvin posting up Jameer and getting STRIPPED LOL!

Man I knew that was gonna happen the whole time. What a pathetic basketball player. He has awful butter fingers too (just like the rest of this team).

Has Collins gained 30 pounds since the season started? besides manning up Dwight, he cannot jump more than 3 inches off the ground or put up one statistic

ditto…why are we always talking about Josh when this guy is turrible!

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“Has Collins gained 30 pounds since the season started? besides manning up Dwight, he cannot jump more than 3 inches off the ground or put up one statistic”

Now wait just a minute there, ag. I’m almost certain that a PF is a statistic.

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The Magic played well in one of five playoff games and all of the sudden they’re world beaters? Give me a break. They’ve beaten the Hawks three times this season to Atlanta’s six victories against them. One game is just that…one game.

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Everyone is down on the Hawks. Most fans have TURNED THEIR BACKS on the Hawks and feel like the Hawks will blow the series and allow the Magic to come back and win it. First of all, according to my observation, it is the Hawks that LEAD THE MAGIC 3-2, and it is not the Magic who are in the drivers seats. It is tough to beat a team 3 games in a row, whether it is on your home floor or not. I know if it goes to a game 7, the pressure will go back to being on Atlanta and it will be tough for the Hawks to win in Orlando at Amway Center. But the Magic still have to win that game 7 and they will have exerted so much effort just to knot the series at 3-3, they may run out of gas and the Hawks may win game 7 in a blowout in Orlando. I know this much. When the Hawks eventually BEAT Orlando and put them out of their misery, sending them home for the summer, should we ever face an Orlando Magic team in the playoffs in the future, trust me, IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER TO BEAT THEM. What has been difficult is that the Hawks have got to get it out their minds that they are inferior to the Magic and that they cannot beat them. THAT IS A LIE BECAUSE THE HAWKS LED THIS SERIES 3-1 BY DOMINATING THE MAGIC. THAT IS THE REALITY AND THE TRUTH OF WHAT REALLY OCCURRED. Now all we have to do is GO FOR THE KNOCKOUT BLOW and ELIMINATE THE MAGIC. That is all that is left to do. I cant see a bunch of punks advancing:Jamier Nelson, Dwight Howard, Quinton Richardson, Jason Richardson. THE MAGIC ARE A BAND OF ASSASINS AND PUNKS. THEY WILL NOT ADVANCE. DWIGHT HOWARD FOREVER THROWS HIS ELBOWS AND TRIES TO HURT PEOPLE. DWIGHT HOWARD IS A DIRTY PLAYER–THE DIRTIEST OF THEM ALL.

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