Atlanta Hawks: Magic 101, Hawks 76

Orlando–During a radio interview yesterday, the host tried to get me to predict how this series would turn out.

  • “I’m done trying to predict the Hawks,” I said. “They can make you look stupid. When I’ve praised them, they go and get blown out. When I criticize them, they do something like go up 3-1 on the Magic. But one thing I think I can say for sure after these four games is you know they are going to give a good effort tomorrow.”
  • Man, I’m about as smart as Charlie Brown when he’s always trying to kick that damn football when he knows Lucy’s going to pull it away again.
  • They came out and hit us early; it just seemed like we didn’t have a response for it,” Hinrich said. “We are going to regroup. We still have the series lead going home. We’re confident we will play better in Game 6.”
  • It’s hard to trust the Hawks. They said all of the right things after this, just like they said the right things before. Obviously they are back in the “show me” category after this one.
  • Game 6 is Thursday at 7:30 on NBA TV, Home of the Hawks.
  • “We are good,” Jamal said. “We are still in the driver’s seat. This is just one game. We have to come out and act like we are in desperation.”
  • No act should be necessary. The Hawks shouldn’t want any part of a Game 7 back in this building.
  • “There are going to be nights like this,” Smoove said. “We just have to wash it out of our heads. We did want to get the win tonight but we have another shot at it Thursday. We have to play with a little bit more desperation and know that we can’t play Game 7.”
  • When Dwight went to the bench with two fouls in the first quarter, it almost seemed like the Hawks relaxed. Maybe L.D. did, too, because he took out Kirk and Al as Orlando’s lead grew to 10. He got Al back in but the Magic’s lead was up to 42-21 by the time Hinrich returned.
  • Not that it would have mattered much in this game since his players weren’t ready, anyway, but for a guy who talks about subbing depending on feel and flow L.D. sure does have some weird patterns sometimes.
  • With Dwight on the bench the Hawks still didn’t go to the rim. The Magic, meanwhile, played faster and crisper. The Dwight Defense was nullified and the Hawks were a step behind.
  • Jameer and Gilbert were coming off screens aggressivelty all night long,” Josh said. “We had to help a little bit and [still] get out on the shooters. They were shooting with rhythm tonight. I think that pick-and-roll kind of hurst us tonight.”
  • “When [Dwight] went out of the game, they went to a little bit more movement sets,” Jamal said. “That is when everyone got involved.”
  • And they made shots. Man, did they ever make shots.
  • “It seemed like once they made one, they started making them all over the place,” Marvin said.
  • “Guys were contesting J.J. Redick and he was making fade-away jump shots,” Josh said.
  • “We’re a good-shooting team,” Stan Van Gundy said “This is more us than the first four games. This is not some aberration, ‘Oh, the Magic made threes.’ We’ve been doing this for four years. The aberration was the first four games.”
  • The Magic eventually cooled off from the floor. They took care of the ball, though, so there were few extra possessions for the Hawks.
  • Not that it would have mattered. Once the Hawks got down, they never showed any sign of putting together a coherent plan to get back in it. They just kept taking and missing jump shots, allowing dribble penetration and generally sucking all around.
  • “Obviously we laid an egg tonight,” Hinrich said. “It’s disappointing but at the same time we are looking forward to Game 6. Right now our attention is on that.”
  • The Magic turned up the pressure on J.J. and Jamal. They didn’t handle it well.
  • “They gave me different looks,” Jamal said. “But I will watch a lot of film and adjust to it.”
  • Josh and Al weren’t much better. Smoove strayed outside even before things got out of hand, though at least he did play with more energy than anyone else. Al doesn’t have much else to go to if he’s not popping free for Js.
  • At least the Hawks got to the free-throw line. Too bad for them they only made 22 of 32.
  • Dwight had eight points and the Magic won by 25. He had eight rebounds and the Magic had an 48-43 edge on the boards. He shot just 10 free throws and the Magic had 29.
  • The Hawks lead 3-2 but the Magic have to feel good about a) finding a way to attack the Hawks that works b) discovering that they can in fact take Atlanta’s guards out of it and c) seeing that they in fact can still shoot the ball.
  • “The biggest thing was we played with tremendous focus and intensity from start to finish,” Van Gundy said. “And that’s what it’s going to take [in Game 6]. It will be much, much harder on Thursday and we’ll need to play better than we did tonight to get a win there.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

313 comments Add your comment

prison mike

April 26th, 2011
11:39 pm

Buddy Grizzard

April 26th, 2011
11:48 pm

After Josh pounded it inside to get DH in foul trouble, what options did Orlando have? The only thing they could hope for was that their perimeter players would come through. So what does Las Vegas Larry do the second DH hits the bench? Does he tell his guys to keep pounding it inside and take advantage? No he subs in JC1 to brick some 23-footers.

Melvin

April 26th, 2011
11:50 pm

This team laid down tonight. I would have love to see them show some maturity by winning game 6 but somehow i knew there was going to be a game 6 in ATL. Now can Hawks avoid a game 7 in ORL…

Buddy Grizzard

April 26th, 2011
11:51 pm

First quarter before dh gets in foul trouble:
Josh def reb
Josh miss 22-footer
Josh def reb
Josh miss 8-foot hook
Collins def reb
Josh draws foul on Hedo 1-2
Josh draws foul on dh 1-2
Collins fouls dh
ah def reb
jj misses 18-footer
kh misses 25-footer
kh def reb
ah hits 17- footer kh assist
Josh fouls J-Rich
Josh hits 9-foot hook
Josh def reb
ah misses 14-footer
kh makes 18 footer
ah misses 19-footer
Josh off reb
Josh misses layup
Josh blocked bh dh on 5-footer
ah fouls dwight
Josh draws foul on dh 1-2
5:39 1st qtr, Brandon Bass subs in for DWIGHT HOWARD
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE SERIES DWIGHT HOWARD WILL SPEND SIGNIFICANT TIME ON THE BENCH. WHAT HAPPENS? DO WE KEEP WORKING INSIDE TO EXPLOIT THE ADVANTAGE???
Orlando leads 10-8
5:33 1st qtr, JAMAL CRAWFORD subs for kh
ah def reb
Jamal misses 23-footer
ah def reb
ah misses 18-footer
4:35 first qtr Zaza subs for ah
Orlando leads 12-9
jj misses 9-foot hook
jamal misses 20-foot jumper
josh misses layup
josh of reb
marv of reb
marv turnover
josh throws pass away
jamal misses 25-footer
2:36 kh subs for josh
Orlando leads 19-9
ah subs for jj
jamal crawford turnover
bass block on ah
marv turnover
ah def reb
marv def reb
zaza makes 2 ft
bass blocks zaza 5-ft hook
zaza turnover
jamal makes 2 ft
End 1st qtr Orlando 26, Hawks 13

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
11:52 pm

Doesn’t matter how hard they decide to play; if they get torched on the high pick and roll like they did in this game, they don’t have much of a chance to win this series. The perimeter D was Bibby-esque in this game, and everyone was to blame.

Section 303

April 26th, 2011
11:52 pm

I am so tired of reading quotes from Hawks players. Josh says “there are going to be nights like this.” No kidding. Who would have known?

Weak effort. All their talk about growth was just a load of crap. This is the same team. They are who we thought they were….a bunch of born f’ing losers.

I fell for it tonight. Like Michael, I thought they would play well tonight. I’m not falling for it again. Brace yourself….Thursday is going to be one of the worst losses in this organization’s sorry history. It’s going to be bad. I don’t know how much they will lose by, but they’re going down. Bank on it.

Mark Bradley asked if the Hawks were better, or do they just have a favorable matchup? Clearly, they aren’t better and this matchup is not that favorable.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
11:52 pm

“After Josh pounded it inside to get DH in foul trouble, what options did Orlando have? The only thing they could hope for was that their perimeter players would come through. So what does Las Vegas Larry do the second DH hits the bench? Does he tell his guys to keep pounding it inside and take advantage? No he subs in JC1 to brick some 23-footers.”

Great point. Not going inside when Dwight exited and the Hawks were already in the penalty was beyond stupid.

Grandad

April 26th, 2011
11:52 pm

Grandad

April 26th, 2011
11:50 pm
*sam’l – on [April 26th, 2011] – @ [8:41 am]
** edited:

“Pride in Performance” *[based on excellence]

“Doc Rivers telling the club (which has just won two games)
that in his mind the games were losses
because the Celtics didn’t come up to expectations.
(and he’s pissed too, yelling at them)”

I don’t know if Doc is the best X’s & O’s coach or not?
(doesn’t matter)
Doc is altogether sagacious, profound & incisive.

Pride in perfornance;
Our Hawks are loathsome in their lack of pride in performance.

* –Thanks Sam’l for sharing that post this AM– *

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
11:53 pm

Disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Buddy Grizzard

April 26th, 2011
11:56 pm

And I said it during the game, this game would NOT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY except for Las Vegas Larry’s stupidity in game 2. CHI closed out tonight blog peeps. Now not only do the Hawks have to play an unnecessary Game 5, they have to play an unnecessary Game 6. Wonder if they’ll have to play an unnecessary Game 7, all because Las Vegas Larry benched one of the most efficient offensive basketball players alive on planet earth for the entire first half of a playoff game.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
11:56 pm

“Josh says “there are going to be nights like this.” No kidding. Who would have known?”

Josh=kick rocks buster…………….

MistaGamer

April 26th, 2011
11:57 pm

You would think that with Dwight out of the game Larry would have put Horford and Josh back at the 3 and 4 and went with a lineup that could stop their small quick line up and step on their throats a little. Maybe Teague, Hinrich, Joe, Josh, Horford.

No, this guy sits Hinrich and Horford. When that happened I said, “See you back in ATL” where WE will be the ones in desperation mode.

J.J.M.

April 26th, 2011
11:58 pm

samething happened to the mahic their 3s wasnt falling now our jumpshots not falling point blank DRIVE THE BALL

mykhalc

April 27th, 2011
12:02 am

i can honestly say that i did NOT get invested in this game at all!!! usually i do…regardless. a sign of growth for this Hawks fan. somehow i think that some forgot this team was winnin’ by jump-shots and we all KNOW what eventually leads to. anyway…nothin’ has changed. this is the same team we watched all year long…regardless of what they ‘might’ do on thurs…

Najeh Davenpoop

April 27th, 2011
12:03 am

Apparently the Falcons are seriously trying to trade up to get AJ Green in the draft. I’ll save my sarcastic comments for later on in the season.

MistaGamer

April 27th, 2011
12:03 am

Slimjr… josh scores 22pts, Horford 3-9 for 9pts, Joe 2-12 for 5pts, Hinrich 6pts, Crawford 2-8 for 8pts

And Josh is the buster???

mykhalc

April 27th, 2011
12:07 am

wacthed the 1st half only but Josh was the only one ready to play tonite. and to be honest Joe’s game sets an awful tempo, especially we he’s not on…

mykhalc

April 27th, 2011
12:07 am

typos galore…

Ra'mon

April 27th, 2011
12:08 am

Easily put, Josh is the only one who came to play tonight. He’s the only one who consciously kept driving to the lane to force the defense to react. Why is Al Horford giving Bass and Anderson so much respect? He said he wanted to play PF for 2 years, and now that he’s playing the position, he can’t even go off on Anderson and Bass. Horford doesn’t even look to make an offensive move majority of the time that he gets the ball.

Also, am I the only one who is tired of seeing Kirk drop his head and shake his head, everytime HE is beat off of the dribble for a layup? I thought he was supposed to be the new leader. So what kind of body language is that for the rest of the team from the ‘tough minded’ PG?

Ra'mon

April 27th, 2011
12:10 am

Also, why doesn’t D12 get more 3 seconds in the lane calls, on offense and defense?

tom

April 27th, 2011
12:10 am

gotta win game 6. they don’t want anything to do with a game 7.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2011
12:10 am

“Why is Al Horford giving Bass and Anderson so much respect? He said he wanted to play PF for 2 years, and now that he’s playing the position, he can’t even go off on Anderson and Bass. Horford doesn’t even look to make an offensive move majority of the time that he gets the ball. ”

Isn’t Al know as ALLSTAR AL???????????? Why????????????? Huh??????????

Jae Evolution

April 27th, 2011
12:11 am

“There are going to be nights like this,”

Ah man, that statement pisses me off so much, this isn’t the regular season anymore bum, stop making excuses for the team and yourself.

If we don’t close out this series on Thursday, I have little hope we will advance.

Grandad

April 27th, 2011
12:11 am

ORL may just have stolen the confidence away from
our fragile-minded Hawks.

I fear game 6 will be a repeat of tonight.

Our Hawks often mistake bravado for confidence.

•” “ There are going to be nights like this,” Smoove said ” ”
No Josh – there doesn’t have to be.
Dickridulous quote, if I’ve ever heard one.
By the way, we as fans should know about nights like this;
as there have been, what ?, 30 of them this year !

•“ ” They came out and hit us early;
it just seemed like we didn’t have a response for it,” ”
– Hinrich said –

I told drmaryb before the game;
ORL is gonna come ou & throw a haymaker early.
How we respond will be the key.
Did they think the Magic had no pride
[like us a year ago]
and were going to just lay down?

Magic go for the KO early in game six !

MistaGamer

April 27th, 2011
12:14 am

$120M 2-12, 5pts!!!

Oh, and Al is ONLY and Allstar at the center position where he can be a match up problem for most of the league’s centers. When he moves back to PF he matches up against players that are closer to his skill set and athleticism and isn’t much of a match up problem.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2011
12:19 am

iso should not have made the trip…is he sick or something???? Buster too……5pts?

Slimjr

April 27th, 2011
12:21 am

Al will be fishing next February..He should have taken over this game with those stiffs checking him..Maybe he does not have much game after all?????

Ra'mon

April 27th, 2011
12:23 am

You guys have to realize, that if Josh goes off on in the media, and says his coach made stupid decisions, and no one else came to play tonight. Josh will be painted as a cancer. Many of you guys don’t even realize that the reason why Josh isn’t an all star yet, has little to do with his play and more to do with the documented run ins he had with Woody and about Woody’s playbook. And the crazy part is Josh was saying the same thing that we were saying on the blog about Woody. But he was called a bad attitude player for it. So tonight, if Josh goes in the media and says that LD holds him to different standards than he does the rest of the players, what would they say? Or if he says Horford needs to stop helping contain the guard on pick and rolls and leaving HIS man open to run the lane for an entry pass, they will say he was a bad teammate.

MistaGamer

April 27th, 2011
12:25 am

Ra’mon,

Al really does need to stop giving up his man on the pick an roll.

Ra'mon

April 27th, 2011
12:26 am

Grandad, the sad part is the Magic didn’t even throw a hay maker really. The Hawks were down by one against the starting lineup. LD lost this game, not the players. What adjustments did he make for the pick and rolls? What did he do to put more pressure on D12 when re-entered the game?

Kurt

April 27th, 2011
12:28 am

If people actually thought that Josh had a good game, those people don’t understand the game of basketball at all. Even though his stat-llne at the end of the game looked pretty decent, Josh was awful in this game. He did just as many, if not more, negative things in this game as he did positive things. Even the Magic commentators pointed that out. Josh may have come out with energy, but it was not smart energy. He had some good ideas, like attacking the basket, but outside of his rebounding, he was really garbage in this game. If he would have “come out to play” as some of you say, he would have played smart enough not to hurt the team. No one played that well for the Hawks tonight. Al and Josh would very good on the glass, but that’s about it. The Hawks never had a chance in this game, you could tell immediately when teh Hawks made their run that the Hawks were going to fold. It’s just their nature, it’s who they are. Certain guys on the team will play hard regardless and never give up, but they can’t save the team by themselves, especailly when the guys who use the majority of the possessions are the weakest-minded of all of the players on the roster.

I thought that what Larry Drew was saying in his post-game interview following game 4 about the Hawks really showing maturing and not panicking when they faced adversity was a total load of crap, and it looks like I was right. In the previous games in this series, the Hawks never really trailed by a significant margin, so they had to face any adversity. When things are going well, Joe and Jamal are less selfish, and Josh plays with less stupidity, so the team tends to look better, but once the going gets tough, this team is very consistently awful, as a whole. They stop moving the ball, our guards become essentially worthless, Josh becomes a member of the opposing team with his stupidity, and unless Al is getting offensive rebounds, he doesn’t even touch the ball enough on the offensive end to be much of a factor there. Also, on the other end, in those situations, only one or two players even try, and as a result, the opposing team scores with ease and scores in bunches. it’s like a snowball effect. I’ve watched this team long enough to tell that their real problem is that they lack the mental toughness to be great. They have the talent to be one of the league’s best teams (not necessarily a contender), but they lack mental toughness and coaching. Essentially, they are their own worst enemy. That’s one thing that is consistent with this team, even if their on-court performances aren’t.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2011
12:28 am

not impressed with josh scoring 20+,northcyde will probably have a stat that says when Magic jr scores 20+ pts, the Hawks have losing record……………………Yawn………….

Kurt

April 27th, 2011
12:30 am

Corrections on my last post – I meant to say “when the Magic made their run”, not “when the Hawks made their run”. Also, I meant to say, “Al and Josh were very good on the glass”.

Geemack

April 27th, 2011
12:30 am

There are going to be nights like this only if you are a Hawk. This is why the city don’t trust you. These guys have not grown up that just happen to be playing a Magic team that hit a bad stretch. The Magic will win a close one in game 6.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 27th, 2011
12:30 am

Well, at least one JJ showed up tonight. Great game for Jair Jurrjens.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2011
12:33 am

josh is an unnecessary risk taker and usually he blows up the team momentum and chemistry..
yes hes a buster……………..

Ra'mon

April 27th, 2011
12:34 am

Guys, here is a question.. Would you rather have Jerry Sloan (as a GM/Head Coach combo) or Rick Adelman?

Aaron

April 27th, 2011
12:38 am

I can’t believe some of you people really feel like Josh came to play. He was as bad as anyone on the team tonight. The only reason he scored 20+ points is because he took 18 field goal attempts and 12 shots, meanwhile being wildly inefficient. The only positive contribution by Josh tonight was his rebounding.

I don’t think anyone should be patted on the back for their performance tonight, as far as the Hawks are concerned. Al had probably the biggest positive contribution in this game out of anyone on the team with his 14 rebounds and 6 assists, but even his performance wasn’t great. Johnson was garbage, Jamal was a nonfactor, Collins was basically useless, I forgot that Marvin was even on the floor at all, and Kirk was basically a nonfactor. No one looked good in this game for the Hawks, Josh included. He was awful. I don’t care if he scores 50, if it involves him taking a bunch of wild shots and being incredibly inefficient, it doesn’t help the team. It also doesn’t help when he makes tons of bad decisions to counteract any of his productivity. People need to realize that stats don’t tell the whole story, and it’s about more than just how many points one player scores. It’s about a lot more than that. You can dominate the game and not even show up much on the stat sheet.

Aaron

April 27th, 2011
12:39 am

When I said 12 shots, I meant 12 free throw attempts.

mykhalc

April 27th, 2011
12:40 am

@Kurt…see that’s the difference between the way we look at Josh. i do NOT expect Josh to play smart ball…hell none of the Hawks do. but when Josh plays with some focus, attacks the glass, and doesn’t jack up jumper after jumper then he’s been productive IMHO. but again i only watched the 1st half…can’t speak on what he did in the 2nd half…

mykhalc

April 27th, 2011
12:43 am

CP3 is a killa…damn!!!

Kurt

April 27th, 2011
12:43 am

You can tell the difference between the Hawks and a truly elite team just by looking at the fan support. Think about the fan reaction in this series when the Hawks took a 3-1 lead. Even though we had a commanding lead in the series, most of us still didn’t feel very confident about the Hawks chances of winning this series because we know how weak this team is mentally and how easily they can collapse in the face of adversity. Meanwhile, even when the Magic were down 1-3, you can take a look at their blogs and you see that most of them were still confident that the Magic would win this series because they know how good this team has been over the last few years. When your own fans don’t even have the confidence in you to close out a series that you lead 3-1 in, you know your team is not very good.

Grandad

April 27th, 2011
12:43 am

For those knowledgeable fans who wish for Al
to make a move & drive to the basket
[since he's playin' the [4] and guarded by RA or BB]
you realize Dwight is playing a 1 man zone (when he’s in)
and Orl doesn’t even bother to guard Collins, et al….. right ?
Therefore Al would still have to contend with Dwight.
Yawl get that…..right ?

Also;
Al, Josh, and I’m assuming JJ Maxx & Jamal;
(and all the others)
go where the coach puts them in his retarded offense.
*[-Not a Motion Offense-]

I watched Josh tonight.
(his role / position) on offense.
He [Josh] never:
*sets a screen
*comes off a screen
*therefore logically never slips a screen
*never cuts
*never ducks, flashes or flairs
These are fundamentals of any offense.
He never moves w/o the ball.
* -&- * Perhaps the most curious thing;
he never does anything to set up / help a teammate.
* primarily screening.

He just stands, planted, in one spot and doesn’t move,
unless / until he gets the ball in his hands.

I put this blame on LD not Josh.

Having said that;
Josh to Milwaukee
—for—
Andrew Bogut !

Ra'mon

April 27th, 2011
12:44 am

Mykalc, without do respect, Al plays ’smart’ ball, and it normally leads to him being ineffective for long periods of times. Actually, no one on this Hawks team plays ’smart’ ball at a high level. There are probably only 9 players in the league who play ’smart’ ball at a high level. Lebron doesn’t even play ’smart’ ball.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2011
12:44 am

now if the Hawks won 60 games with josh style of play,I would be impressed..But
they ended the season only 6 wins above .500 and were 13-26 against above .500 teams this year…Just Brutal…………
yes josh is a FREAKIN BUSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BUSTER BUSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 27th, 2011
12:47 am

“I don’t think anyone should be patted on the back for their performance tonight, as far as the Hawks are concerned. ”

Nobody should be patted on the back when the team loses by 25, other than maybe young players who ball during garbage time. But 22 points on 18 shots is not “inefficient” no matter how you slice it.

Slimjr

April 27th, 2011
12:49 am

6 games above .500 means not only mental but just not as talented compare to other teams in the NBA that gained a playoff berth……..

Kurt

April 27th, 2011
12:49 am

“…i do NOT expect Josh to play smart ball…”

The way I see it, if you are not going to play smart ball, you shouldn’t be on the court. It’s that simple. I don’t care how talented you are as a player, if you can’t play smart, you are a liability to hurt the team, and you don’t deserve to be on the court.

This concept is why J.R. Smith is a bench player for the Nuggets. He’s, arguably, their most talented player, and could potentially be a top-10 player in this league if he could lock in mentally and play smart each and every night, but he is immature and refuses to, similar to Josh. Hence, as a result, he spends most of his time on the bench during games.

The difference between his case and Josh’s is that Coach Karl has the balls to bench J.R. Smith, even though he knows that J.R. is probably a better player than some of the guys he has on the court. Coach Drew is too much of a wuss to bench Josh when he is hurting the team. On occasion, he will sit Josh down, but he hasn’t done that consistently. Sometimes, he gambles or just accepts Josh’s stupidity and hopes that his positive contributions will outweigh the negatives, but you can’t coach that way. Part of player development is teaching that player discipline. How is Josh ever going to learn if he is given free reign to do whatever he pleases (shoot 3’s, play point guard, etc.) regardless of whether he is hurting the team or not?

mykhalc

April 27th, 2011
12:50 am

@Ra’mon…smart maybe the wrong word…maybe. but my point is really about cats playin’ within their skills. and even Al doesn’t do it. Al will make up his mind to make a move in the post…puts his head down, usually loses the handle, and STILL will try to get a shot off. and that kinda sums up the team. so playin’ within themselves might be the better verbiage.and from your post you seem to agree…

mykhalc

April 27th, 2011
12:52 am

@Kurt…agreed. thus my term AAU ball for this team…and why i want this team KA BOOM’d in the summer…