Atlanta Hawks at Magic Game 5: ‘Growth’ business

Orlando–”Growth” has been the buzzword for the Hawks over the last two days.

Marvin: “We have an opportunity to show some growth. We’ve had a chance to close series [early] in the past and we haven’t done that.”

Al: “This is the first time we’ve been in this kind of position where we are up 3-1. We are a different team but they are coming out and giving us all they have. We have to make sure we come out ready and expect it and it will show some growth if we are able to come out on top.”

L.D.: “With this team I am always talking about this team growing. To me them positioning themselves to go into Orlando and finish this thing off, that’s a huge step in our growth process.”

I know what you are thinking. The Hawks have bigger goals than winning a first-round playoff series. That’s true but I’m also inclined to agree that a W tonight would mean be significant in a few ways.

Already the Hawks are the second team in franchise history to lead a seven-game series 3-1 (the ‘69-70 squad beat the Bulls in five). Win tonight and they would be the fifth time in 15 tries that an Atlanta Hawks team closed out a playoff series on the road (the ‘95-’96 squad was the last to do it, winning at Indiana). It also would be just the third time in 24 series the Atlanta Hawks won as the lower seed and the first time in a best-of-seven.

And let’s not forget that the Magic bludgeoned the Hawks last spring, prompting everyone to question their heart. Beating the Magic in five, even a different Magic team, would have to count for something.

That’s historical perspective. From a practical standpoint, the Hawks need the rest. Going seven games with Miami and Milwaukee the past two seasons didn’t help. That was especially true last season, when expectations for the Hawks were high and the Milwaukee series felt like a letdown.

“We were more worn out mentally than physically,” L.D. said. “We were already battered mentally and then we had had to gear up for what was going to be a physical pounding we knew that was going to happen during that series. It took a toll on us.”

So here’s a chance for the Hawks to put away the Magic and get a break between series. It won’t be easy.

“Coming back to this building, the energy is going to be high,” L.D. said. “The Magic have a lot of pride. They play hard. We have to expect we are not going to get a lot of calls. There’s a certain mentality you definitely have to have to close out a team. You play to be the desperate team as well. You don’t play like you have a 3-1 lead; you play like you’re behind 3-1. You play like this is the last game for you.”

More on those missed 3s

It seems one popular narrative in the series is that the Magic are missing bushels of wide open 3s. So I fired up the Synergy Sports Technology machine again to see if the video evidence supports that story.

In Game 3, the Magic got nine clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made four. One of those clean looks was a Redick miss when the Hawks pretty much let him shoot because Orlando was down four with time about to expire.

In Game 4, the Magic got eight clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made two. One of those clean looks was an Arenas miss after Jamal tripped and fell to the court (Jamal, by the way, aggressively defend 3s in that game after hardly working at it in the first three).

The Magic have attempted a total of 90 3-pointers in the series when subtracting the six heaves at the buzzer. By my count they’ve had 39 “clean” looks (43 percent of their legit attempts) and made 13, or 33 percent. I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic normally get or how many they usually make but it’s a pretty safe guess that they are accustomed to more open looks and making more of them.

There’s more to this story when you look at the video. The definition of a “clean” look is subjective but I can tell you mine was pretty liberal because these are NBA players in general and proven 3-point shooters in particular. I counted some looks as “clean” when Hawks defenders were quickly closing to challenge but didn’t appear to get a hand in the shooter’s face or into the expected path of the shot.

Those plays have happened a lot in this series. It’s been rare that a Magic shooter is standing alone outside of the 3-point line without the shot either being directly challenged or with the imminent threat of a closing defender. The Hawks have been very aggressive on their close-outs against Magic players other than Jameer (whom they don’t have to challenge as hard because he’s shorter) because none of them are a real threat to score off the dribble.

If Orlando’s 3-point shooters don’t look comfortable, could that be less about choking and more about being thrown off balance by swarms of long, athletic Hawks defenders buzzing around them? You can see on video that even when the Magic do get clean looks from 3 they tend to rush their shots. Could at least part of the reason for that be because they get only half a beat before a Hawks player is running at them to close off the space?

Maybe that’s why today Stan Van Gundy said: “We have to shoot the ball better, which I think in some ways means we have to have better patience and execution to create better shots.”

Again, I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic usually get in a game. I do know that a principle of their offense is to get those looks by way of Dwight post-ups leading to spot-up 3s. And I can tell you that after four games in this series the Magic still have gotten exactly one open 3-pointer in that manner. One.

That’s stymied the Magic’s effectiveness with spot-up Js, which was of one of their most effective play types in the regular season. Like Ryan Anderson said the other day, the Hawks are forcing the Magic to get their 3-point looks in different ways. It’s not going well for Orlando.

After looking at replays of all of Orlando’s 3-point attempts in this series, my take is that the “Magic are missing open shots” theory holds less water than the “aggressive Hawks defenders are disrupting Orlando’s shooters” theory.

Notes

  • Zaza on the expected reception from Magic fans: “I remember rookie year I was fan favorite. Now I am most hated.”
  • L.D. on fan animosity for Zaza: “It’s not anything he’s not used to. I’m sure in his career it’s happened before. Zaza is a pro.”
  • L.D. expects the Magic to use Arenas in more pick-and-rolls. Van Gundy expects the Hawks to adjust how they defend Arenas in those plays.
  • There have been 194 teams to face a 3-1 deficit in a best-of-seven series. Only eight of them recovered to win.
  • According to Synergy, Jamal leads the playoffs in field-goal attempts per game off the dribble (7.8). Said Van Gundy: “That is a tough thing. It’s not an easy thing to handle. We will make adjustments but when he’s ‘dribble, dribble, dribble’ and then pulls up that’s not easy to deal with without fouling.”
  • Van Gundy on Dwight’s minutes: “I don’t want to give away a big secret but he’s not going to get a lot of rest.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

608 comments Add your comment

Kurt

April 26th, 2011
8:54 pm

Why does dumba$$ Smith have 12 field goal attempts already in this game? Someone needs to hurt this guy’s feelings just to make him realize that he isn’t as good as he thinks he is. Maybe that will get him to stop playing so stupid all of the time. There’s a reason why people rant about wanting to trade guys like Josh. It’s not because he isn’t a talented or capable player, but rather because he just doesn’t get it. No matter how much experience he has, he plays like an inexperienced rookie, and when things aren’t going his way, he’s too weak mentally to tune in and stay focused. As the Cavs announcers put it during our last game against them in the regular season, Josh “wilts under the pressure”.

This is exactly why we need to get strong-minded players on this roster and weed out the weak. We need more guys like Kirk, Al, and Zaza, who put the team first, and only care about winning. Those guys are strong-minded and smart (Kirk and Al moreso than Zaza).

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:55 pm

I wonder what the Hawks’ shooting percentage at the rim is in this game. I would guess no higher than 20%.

cp

April 26th, 2011
8:56 pm

Al gets a pass by a lot of fans for some reason but I didnt see him do much either the first half

drmaryb (*_-)

April 26th, 2011
8:56 pm

FT Line!

IF the Hawks win it? It will be at the line.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:56 pm

“Why does dumba$$ Smith have 12 field goal attempts already in this game?”

Have you been watching this game? He’s missed like 4 shots at the rim, which is where everyone wants him to be all the time. It’s not like he’s been clanking jumpers so far. I thought the prevailing feeling was that Smoove was some unstoppable force inside who should always drive to the hoop?

Geemack

April 26th, 2011
8:56 pm

Kurt

This the way they’ve played all season.

The way they played in the 1st 3 games were exceptions….this is the real Hawks team.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:57 pm

Joe bricks a wide open 3.

James on Pharr Rd

April 26th, 2011
8:57 pm

drmaryb

How many beers do you have left?

bigdave

April 26th, 2011
8:58 pm

“Al gets a pass by a lot of fans for some reason but I didnt see him do much either the first half”

all while playing.. gasp… power forward.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:59 pm

Smoove has really been horrendous at the line in this series.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
8:59 pm

Al for DeAndre Jordan

lukas

April 26th, 2011
8:59 pm

I can live with Josh taking 20 FGA as long as 70% of those are in the paint.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
9:00 pm

trade Josh yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Josh for rudy gay who BK passed up for that super scrub sheldon williams

Rod from College Park

April 26th, 2011
9:00 pm

drmaryb,

Remember Allstar Al can do no wrong. LOL

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:00 pm

Hawks have not closed out well on the 3’s in this game. And it hasn’t been because they have doubled Dwight. It has been because they haven’t gotten around screens well and people have left their man on the perimeter to come in the paint and help.

Wabe

April 26th, 2011
9:01 pm

OKC was up 3-0 on the Nuggets, playing in Denver, but that didn’t mean a ‘blowout’ like what we’re seeing. They may have lost, but they brought energy and effort.

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

April 26th, 2011
9:01 pm

rathbun and nique already talkin about game 6 lol

Ole Hawks Fan

April 26th, 2011
9:03 pm

PLAY TEAGUE and Damien!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:04 pm

They have actually looked decent so far in this quarter, but it’s too late for “decent” now. If they want to get back in the game they need to force four or five turnovers and get points in transition.

Ole Hawks Fan

April 26th, 2011
9:04 pm

Drive to the basket with Howard 3 Fouls!

ceeCee

April 26th, 2011
9:04 pm

JOE’S D IS HORRENDOUS TONIIGHT!!

TAKE THE BALL TO THE BASKET!!!!!

drmaryb (*_-)

April 26th, 2011
9:05 pm

They are throwing it to Josh and at the end of clocks!
Josh is the ONLY ONLY ONLY Hawk being aggressive with his offense and trying to make something happen.

All his team mates are on ventilators!

Get OFF Josh’s back and jump on Marvin, Passive Joe and ice cold Jamal!
Josh is NOT the problem! Geez-Us!

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

April 26th, 2011
9:05 pm

nique got him one off to the right dont he

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:05 pm

11/18 FTs for the Hawks so far.

Kurt

April 26th, 2011
9:05 pm

My goodness, our guards have been almost worthless so far tonight. No defense, no boxing out, weak closeouts. What is wrong with these guys. Even Kirk has been sloppy on defense, and that’s usually his calling card. He’s known for hustling on defense, yet tonight he has gotten caught on picks, failed to box out, and has taken a lot of questionable shots.

O'Brien

April 26th, 2011
9:06 pm

I hope fans come out loud and rowdy for game 6. Hawks will need them more than ever.

drmaryb (*_-)

April 26th, 2011
9:07 pm

All Al is doing ios passing it to JOSH! He is not even LOOKING at the fkn basket! He sucks on offense!

Kurt

April 26th, 2011
9:07 pm

Kirk has nothing for Arenas. Drew should at least give Teague a shot. It’s not like Teague could do worse.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:07 pm

Hawks haven’t looked this bad getting around picks since Bibby was here. It’s not just one player either.

O'Brien

April 26th, 2011
9:07 pm

We want Teague.

That way, he wont be as rusty in the next round (if we advance to play the Bulls).

Ole Hawks Fan

April 26th, 2011
9:07 pm

Yeah Nique and Rath have thrown in the towel, talking about coming to the game Thursday. Set Capt Kirk DOWN……………….PLEASE! He just doesn’t have it tonight.

Sautee

April 26th, 2011
9:08 pm

Rod,

Go back and look at this blog. A LOT more negative posts about Al than positive. I think the halo has lost some shine. As it should the soft way he’s played.

cp

April 26th, 2011
9:08 pm

smh Kirk is having trouble with Arenas.

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

April 26th, 2011
9:08 pm

It’s as if the Hawks just expected the Magic to roll over and die. What kinda mentality is that?

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:08 pm

Hawks get murdered on the pick and roll again.

bigdave

April 26th, 2011
9:08 pm

i like the foul Al.

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
9:09 pm

Magic commentators are dogging the Hawks. The said, “A pass and cut. Wow, we haven’t seen that this whole playoff series.”

They said that after Kirk passed and cut. The re-ran the replay. They said no other player on the Hawks would even consider passing and cutting.

drmaryb (*_-)

April 26th, 2011
9:09 pm

The only thing The Hawks are eliminating tonight is:

Waste/Feces. Their energy/intensity is not there, they are playing like crap/turds!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:10 pm

Invisible Joe

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
9:10 pm

ALLSTAR AL aint no ALLSTAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ole Hawks Fan

April 26th, 2011
9:10 pm

Big $$$$$ JJ looks like he put money on this game in Vegas. Good shot JOSH!

tremaine

April 26th, 2011
9:10 pm

Josh Smith want to be Joe Johnson.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:10 pm

This game is over. I want to see Teague.

bigdave

April 26th, 2011
9:10 pm

lol.. we just refuse to cut. rather stand around and wait to get the ball to put up a jumper.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:11 pm

“Josh Smith want to be Joe Johnson.”

Joe Johnson wants to be Pape Sy.

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
9:11 pm

Josh has shut it down. He is just filling his stat line.

Ole Hawks Fan

April 26th, 2011
9:11 pm

Will the hawks score 70 points tonight?

Wabe

April 26th, 2011
9:11 pm

might as well call it a night and just wait for game 6. hawks got me pretty heated tonight.

i wanna try to keep it in perspective because they’re up 3-1, but what we’re watching now is everything that’s wrong about this team.

no leaders, no hunger, no drive.

Hawks vs Magic

April 26th, 2011
9:11 pm

yeeep, this team doesn’t have the ability nor talent to come back for a big deficit … on to Game 6

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:11 pm

Smoove has gone from being aggressive and trying to make something happen to being crazy and trying to win it himself over the last two possessions.