Orlando–”Growth” has been the buzzword for the Hawks over the last two days.
Marvin: “We have an opportunity to show some growth. We’ve had a chance to close series [early] in the past and we haven’t done that.”
Al: “This is the first time we’ve been in this kind of position where we are up 3-1. We are a different team but they are coming out and giving us all they have. We have to make sure we come out ready and expect it and it will show some growth if we are able to come out on top.”
L.D.: “With this team I am always talking about this team growing. To me them positioning themselves to go into Orlando and finish this thing off, that’s a huge step in our growth process.”
I know what you are thinking. The Hawks have bigger goals than winning a first-round playoff series. That’s true but I’m also inclined to agree that a W tonight would mean be significant in a few ways.
Already the Hawks are the second team in franchise history to lead a seven-game series 3-1 (the ‘69-70 squad beat the Bulls in five). Win tonight and they would be the fifth time in 15 tries that an Atlanta Hawks team closed out a playoff series on the road (the ‘95-’96 squad was the last to do it, winning at Indiana). It also would be just the third time in 24 series the Atlanta Hawks won as the lower seed and the first time in a best-of-seven.
And let’s not forget that the Magic bludgeoned the Hawks last spring, prompting everyone to question their heart. Beating the Magic in five, even a different Magic team, would have to count for something.
That’s historical perspective. From a practical standpoint, the Hawks need the rest. Going seven games with Miami and Milwaukee the past two seasons didn’t help. That was especially true last season, when expectations for the Hawks were high and the Milwaukee series felt like a letdown.
“We were more worn out mentally than physically,” L.D. said. “We were already battered mentally and then we had had to gear up for what was going to be a physical pounding we knew that was going to happen during that series. It took a toll on us.”
So here’s a chance for the Hawks to put away the Magic and get a break between series. It won’t be easy.
“Coming back to this building, the energy is going to be high,” L.D. said. “The Magic have a lot of pride. They play hard. We have to expect we are not going to get a lot of calls. There’s a certain mentality you definitely have to have to close out a team. You play to be the desperate team as well. You don’t play like you have a 3-1 lead; you play like you’re behind 3-1. You play like this is the last game for you.”
More on those missed 3s
It seems one popular narrative in the series is that the Magic are missing bushels of wide open 3s. So I fired up the Synergy Sports Technology machine again to see if the video evidence supports that story.
In Game 3, the Magic got nine clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made four. One of those clean looks was a Redick miss when the Hawks pretty much let him shoot because Orlando was down four with time about to expire.
In Game 4, the Magic got eight clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made two. One of those clean looks was an Arenas miss after Jamal tripped and fell to the court (Jamal, by the way, aggressively defend 3s in that game after hardly working at it in the first three).
The Magic have attempted a total of 90 3-pointers in the series when subtracting the six heaves at the buzzer. By my count they’ve had 39 “clean” looks (43 percent of their legit attempts) and made 13, or 33 percent. I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic normally get or how many they usually make but it’s a pretty safe guess that they are accustomed to more open looks and making more of them.
There’s more to this story when you look at the video. The definition of a “clean” look is subjective but I can tell you mine was pretty liberal because these are NBA players in general and proven 3-point shooters in particular. I counted some looks as “clean” when Hawks defenders were quickly closing to challenge but didn’t appear to get a hand in the shooter’s face or into the expected path of the shot.
Those plays have happened a lot in this series. It’s been rare that a Magic shooter is standing alone outside of the 3-point line without the shot either being directly challenged or with the imminent threat of a closing defender. The Hawks have been very aggressive on their close-outs against Magic players other than Jameer (whom they don’t have to challenge as hard because he’s shorter) because none of them are a real threat to score off the dribble.
If Orlando’s 3-point shooters don’t look comfortable, could that be less about choking and more about being thrown off balance by swarms of long, athletic Hawks defenders buzzing around them? You can see on video that even when the Magic do get clean looks from 3 they tend to rush their shots. Could at least part of the reason for that be because they get only half a beat before a Hawks player is running at them to close off the space?
Maybe that’s why today Stan Van Gundy said: “We have to shoot the ball better, which I think in some ways means we have to have better patience and execution to create better shots.”
Again, I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic usually get in a game. I do know that a principle of their offense is to get those looks by way of Dwight post-ups leading to spot-up 3s. And I can tell you that after four games in this series the Magic still have gotten exactly one open 3-pointer in that manner. One.
That’s stymied the Magic’s effectiveness with spot-up Js, which was of one of their most effective play types in the regular season. Like Ryan Anderson said the other day, the Hawks are forcing the Magic to get their 3-point looks in different ways. It’s not going well for Orlando.
After looking at replays of all of Orlando’s 3-point attempts in this series, my take is that the “Magic are missing open shots” theory holds less water than the “aggressive Hawks defenders are disrupting Orlando’s shooters” theory.
Notes
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
608 comments Add your comment
kgbsfinst
April 26th, 2011
8:40 pm
this is embarrassing
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
8:40 pm
DISGUSTING……………
bigdave
April 26th, 2011
8:40 pm
“didnt even try ”
watch how the kids in Indy and Chi. defend. everything contested hard; and if you happen to slip through and get an opening, you’re getting decked.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
8:40 pm
And those last two minutes are a case study in the disadvantages of Zaza — yeah he can rebound, but he offers zero resistance at the rim, so if the perimeter D is not on point the team can’t stop anyone with him at center.
Buddy Grizzard
April 26th, 2011
8:40 pm
Rod one reason all star al not dominating… We’re going iso instead of pounding the ball inside which is what got Dwight in foul trouble… Hawks should work I side out for the rest of the game
Sautee
April 26th, 2011
8:41 pm
northcyde,
Sorry you can’t watch, but you would be averting your eyes. Even your “elite defender” is coasting big time. Big time.
BILLY KNIGHT
April 26th, 2011
8:41 pm
If magic starte hitting there jumshots, they will comeback and win this series.
Wabe
April 26th, 2011
8:42 pm
no killer instincts with this team.
how do you take a night off in the playoffs? who does that?
this just makes me question their hunger. why can’t you put your foots on their necks? why do you have to keep them breathing? why do you have to give them confidence?
p1sses me off
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
8:42 pm
THE HAWKS LOOK LIKE THEY FORGOT TO PUT ON THEIR JOCK STRAPS!!! TAKE OFF THE PANTIES…..AND STRAP DOWN……………..
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
8:42 pm
Magic are shooting better from 3 than from 2. And if I’m not mistaken at least half their 3’s have come in transition.
Blast
April 26th, 2011
8:43 pm
Throwing a road, potentially series clinching game in other to make money in a game 6 at home so to generate revenue might make good sense for business, but it could backfire big time.
I know Orlando is fighting for their lives now, so they came out banging. Hawks are making it easier for them. What if Orlando comes out banging again in game 6 and Hawks somehow suck it up? Then Hawks are done.
James on Pharr Rd
April 26th, 2011
8:43 pm
You’re damn right am pissed: it was written, talked about and debated all of yesterday and Sunday night repeatedly-This style doesn’t win games. Shots do not always drop, we have to force the issue with Joe and JJ and pound the glass on this team. Jamal is going to play us out of this game alongside “random OFFENSIVE optimism by LD”
We probably make a run in the 2nd half, but hot damn-the score is already 60 and that is not Hawks style ball period.
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
8:43 pm
U TOO MARVINA….
bigdave
April 26th, 2011
8:44 pm
looking ahead, Hawks facing a pressure situation. its going to be hard for me seeing them playing loose in a tense atmosphere come game 6.
James on Pharr Rd
April 26th, 2011
8:44 pm
And some folks including LD think the same ol same ol works for every game.
BILLY KNIGHT
April 26th, 2011
8:44 pm
Najeh you have play big, if horford played center the hawks would be down by 30points with Dwight dominating the boards.
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
8:44 pm
NEWSFLASH!!!!!!! ALLSTAR AL IS NOT SKILLED ENOUGH TO DOMINATE THE PAINT DUDE,,,
Ole Hawks Fan
April 26th, 2011
8:44 pm
Are they showing Last Year Beat Down by The Magic?
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
8:45 pm
Dwight is on pace for by far his least productive game this series. 1/3, 6 points, 3 boards at the half. At this rate he won’t even get a double double.
tremaine
April 26th, 2011
8:45 pm
Larry Drew should have called that time earlier and tried to stop the Magic momentum.
Wabe
April 26th, 2011
8:45 pm
put these clowns away.
why do the hawks wait till they’re up 3-1 to give us one of these games? it’s obvious things weren’t going their way and they pretty much just gave the magic a freebie.
they really had no business of trying to compete within this game once they let go of the rope.
again, this is the thing about this team that needs to change. i hate watching a team that doesn’t come out to play every f’n night. i know we’re up 3-1, but the hawks are acting as if we’ll go home and are gauranteed to win.
the door was still cracked open for the magic. instead of trying to shut it, the hawks just opened it up a bit more.
O'Brien
April 26th, 2011
8:45 pm
In 13 minutes, Jamal is -19. In 21 minutes, JJ is -20.
With both of those guys struggling, we dont have a chance.
What will the hawks do different in the second half?
bigdave
April 26th, 2011
8:46 pm
Hawks killing my draft night right now.
Ole Hawks Fan
April 26th, 2011
8:46 pm
Hawks lose tonight and they will lose this series.
Ant banks
April 26th, 2011
8:46 pm
The hawks have NO ALPHA male. No one holds other players accountable. Kareem, Jordan, cp3, woudnt put up with his ish. Coaches ain’t even ALPHA MALE.
drmaryb (*_-)
April 26th, 2011
8:46 pm
Brandon Leak!
Said, “The Hawks have NOT played DEFENSE tonight! They will have to sure up the DESENSE to win it tonight.”
I say, The Hawks thought The Magic were gonna lay down, fool – hearted
thinking!
Kurt
April 26th, 2011
8:46 pm
I hate it when Josh leads the team in field goal attempts. It seems like every time that happens, we lose. The guys who are annoying me more than anyone are our guards, outside of Hinrich,
Look at that pathetic defense by Joe on the Richardson drive. What is up with Joe? Does he have some sort of foot/leg injury that he’s not telling us about? Or, does he just not care? Right now, I think it’s the latter.
This is just embarrassing. The Hawks deserve no credit for what they’ve done in the first three games, after the way they’ve come out in this game. The only guys on this team who I have any respect for are Al and Zaza. The rest of the guys are a bunch of soft panzies. I guess I shouldn’t dislike Kirk, or Teague, they’re not really part of the problem, but I could care less for any of the other players outside of those whom I just mentioned.
Jamal is only good when he’s on fire on the offensive end, and Joe is only good when he’s scoring through his selfish play-style (he doesn’t even attempt to play team basketball most of the time).
I’m just completely disappointed in this team right now. The only way to redeem themselves is through a huge comeback in the second half.
I tip my hat to Al for him at least trying and hustling in this game, but the rest of the players can kiss my a$$ right now.
Ole Hawks Fan
April 26th, 2011
8:47 pm
Needs something Stronger than Beer Tonight!
Sautee
April 26th, 2011
8:47 pm
Slim,
Who was EVER saying that Al dominated in the paint?
Errr…. no one.
That is a straw man. You can do better than that.
BILLY KNIGHT
April 26th, 2011
8:47 pm
Teague give the hawks easy transitition points, which is why LD have starte playing him before too late.
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
8:48 pm
I TOLD DOC A FEW DAYS AGO HISTORY TENDS TO REPEAT ITSELF TO JUST HOLD ON AND SIT TIGHT BUT DEEP DOWN I WAS THINKING HOPE YOUR WRONG SLIMJR..MAN O MAN…WOW….
MAY BE DOWN BY 35 BY THE END OF THE 3RD….
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
8:48 pm
FREE TEAGUE
drmaryb (*_-)
April 26th, 2011
8:48 pm
Put Damien and Teague in there NOW! DEFENSE first! Its the NBA play offs maane!
James on Pharr Rd
April 26th, 2011
8:49 pm
Random side thought-should have switched Zach Randolph and Jamal’s expiring contracts at the deadline.
Wabe
April 26th, 2011
8:49 pm
it’s not even that they’re struggling, it’s that they’re not even bothering to show up.
they literally came into this game with the mindset that if the magic hand it to them, they’ll take it.
but if they have to break a sweat to get it tonight, they’re not really down with that.
you know the magic are gonna come out desperate, and this is what you put together?
Ole Hawks Fan
April 26th, 2011
8:49 pm
When JC! not hitting his shots, he kills the team on defense.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
8:49 pm
As much trouble as the Hawks are having keeping the Magic guards out of the paint, I’d like to see the Teague/Kirk back court resurrected just to see what happens. At the very least that’s a much, much better option than anything Marvin has done so far.
Ant banks
April 26th, 2011
8:50 pm
Well, the hawks are still my team. I refuse to do what my coworkers do and bum rush the bandwagon of anotha team. we will win Thursday
Mac-Town #maconchevyrider
April 26th, 2011
8:50 pm
“go back to the basics”
whats going back to the basics for us? taking jump shots and hoping they fall unlike in the 1st half?
mykhalc
April 26th, 2011
8:50 pm
i wish they’d stop postin’ the Hawks score durin’ the CHI game…
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
8:50 pm
4 Magic players have as many or more points than Dwight so far.
Honest Truth
April 26th, 2011
8:51 pm
Sautee
From previous blog-do you still think this game plan is working out well for the Hawks?
Sautee
April 26th, 2011
8:51 pm
IF and of course it’s a HUGE if,…….. we come back and make it close in the 4th, they will tighten up.
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
8:51 pm
WAIVE MARVIN…IAM SORRY,HES SORRY WE ALL SORRY “IT WAS A GREAT PICK”!
Ole Hawks Fan
April 26th, 2011
8:51 pm
I’ve said all along, Marvin should have been D-activated for the playoffs.
Sautee
April 26th, 2011
8:52 pm
We had a game plan?
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
8:53 pm
GRIM PREDICTION: HAWKS LOOSE BY 30+ TONIGHT, THEY WILL LOOSE GAME 6……
drmaryb (*_-)
April 26th, 2011
8:53 pm
LOL!
“Rod one reason all star al not dominating… We’re going iso instead of pounding the ball inside.”
________________
What game are you watching? They fed Al a few times on the post, and he pounded the ball and turned it over. He pounded it and threw up garbage. He has NO post move whatsoever – he sucks in the post!
He threw it back out to Josh! No one I’d defending anyone!
Take Jamal out and give it to Teague and Damien on the perimeter, they will defend and run!
Ole Hawks Fan
April 26th, 2011
8:54 pm
I bet the NBA telecast is Bashing These HAWKS!
James on Pharr Rd
April 26th, 2011
8:54 pm
If I see Jamal’s blowing his fists in the 3rd quater, LD will have confirmed his Woodson-ness to every one in the A. And win, lose or draw, will not get the benefit of the doubt about in game adjustments.
In all honesty, the strategy that worked in games1-4 was the obvious choice that Woodson wished he had tried last year. So, LD gets no points for in-game or post game adjustments for that matter.