Atlanta Hawks at Magic Game 5: ‘Growth’ business

Orlando–”Growth” has been the buzzword for the Hawks over the last two days.

Marvin: “We have an opportunity to show some growth. We’ve had a chance to close series [early] in the past and we haven’t done that.”

Al: “This is the first time we’ve been in this kind of position where we are up 3-1. We are a different team but they are coming out and giving us all they have. We have to make sure we come out ready and expect it and it will show some growth if we are able to come out on top.”

L.D.: “With this team I am always talking about this team growing. To me them positioning themselves to go into Orlando and finish this thing off, that’s a huge step in our growth process.”

I know what you are thinking. The Hawks have bigger goals than winning a first-round playoff series. That’s true but I’m also inclined to agree that a W tonight would mean be significant in a few ways.

Already the Hawks are the second team in franchise history to lead a seven-game series 3-1 (the ‘69-70 squad beat the Bulls in five). Win tonight and they would be the fifth time in 15 tries that an Atlanta Hawks team closed out a playoff series on the road (the ‘95-’96 squad was the last to do it, winning at Indiana). It also would be just the third time in 24 series the Atlanta Hawks won as the lower seed and the first time in a best-of-seven.

And let’s not forget that the Magic bludgeoned the Hawks last spring, prompting everyone to question their heart. Beating the Magic in five, even a different Magic team, would have to count for something.

That’s historical perspective. From a practical standpoint, the Hawks need the rest. Going seven games with Miami and Milwaukee the past two seasons didn’t help. That was especially true last season, when expectations for the Hawks were high and the Milwaukee series felt like a letdown.

“We were more worn out mentally than physically,” L.D. said. “We were already battered mentally and then we had had to gear up for what was going to be a physical pounding we knew that was going to happen during that series. It took a toll on us.”

So here’s a chance for the Hawks to put away the Magic and get a break between series. It won’t be easy.

“Coming back to this building, the energy is going to be high,” L.D. said. “The Magic have a lot of pride. They play hard. We have to expect we are not going to get a lot of calls. There’s a certain mentality you definitely have to have to close out a team. You play to be the desperate team as well. You don’t play like you have a 3-1 lead; you play like you’re behind 3-1. You play like this is the last game for you.”

More on those missed 3s

It seems one popular narrative in the series is that the Magic are missing bushels of wide open 3s. So I fired up the Synergy Sports Technology machine again to see if the video evidence supports that story.

In Game 3, the Magic got nine clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made four. One of those clean looks was a Redick miss when the Hawks pretty much let him shoot because Orlando was down four with time about to expire.

In Game 4, the Magic got eight clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made two. One of those clean looks was an Arenas miss after Jamal tripped and fell to the court (Jamal, by the way, aggressively defend 3s in that game after hardly working at it in the first three).

The Magic have attempted a total of 90 3-pointers in the series when subtracting the six heaves at the buzzer. By my count they’ve had 39 “clean” looks (43 percent of their legit attempts) and made 13, or 33 percent. I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic normally get or how many they usually make but it’s a pretty safe guess that they are accustomed to more open looks and making more of them.

There’s more to this story when you look at the video. The definition of a “clean” look is subjective but I can tell you mine was pretty liberal because these are NBA players in general and proven 3-point shooters in particular. I counted some looks as “clean” when Hawks defenders were quickly closing to challenge but didn’t appear to get a hand in the shooter’s face or into the expected path of the shot.

Those plays have happened a lot in this series. It’s been rare that a Magic shooter is standing alone outside of the 3-point line without the shot either being directly challenged or with the imminent threat of a closing defender. The Hawks have been very aggressive on their close-outs against Magic players other than Jameer (whom they don’t have to challenge as hard because he’s shorter) because none of them are a real threat to score off the dribble.

If Orlando’s 3-point shooters don’t look comfortable, could that be less about choking and more about being thrown off balance by swarms of long, athletic Hawks defenders buzzing around them? You can see on video that even when the Magic do get clean looks from 3 they tend to rush their shots. Could at least part of the reason for that be because they get only half a beat before a Hawks player is running at them to close off the space?

Maybe that’s why today Stan Van Gundy said: “We have to shoot the ball better, which I think in some ways means we have to have better patience and execution to create better shots.”

Again, I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic usually get in a game. I do know that a principle of their offense is to get those looks by way of Dwight post-ups leading to spot-up 3s. And I can tell you that after four games in this series the Magic still have gotten exactly one open 3-pointer in that manner. One.

That’s stymied the Magic’s effectiveness with spot-up Js, which was of one of their most effective play types in the regular season. Like Ryan Anderson said the other day, the Hawks are forcing the Magic to get their 3-point looks in different ways. It’s not going well for Orlando.

After looking at replays of all of Orlando’s 3-point attempts in this series, my take is that the “Magic are missing open shots” theory holds less water than the “aggressive Hawks defenders are disrupting Orlando’s shooters” theory.

Notes

  • Zaza on the expected reception from Magic fans: “I remember rookie year I was fan favorite. Now I am most hated.”
  • L.D. on fan animosity for Zaza: “It’s not anything he’s not used to. I’m sure in his career it’s happened before. Zaza is a pro.”
  • L.D. expects the Magic to use Arenas in more pick-and-rolls. Van Gundy expects the Hawks to adjust how they defend Arenas in those plays.
  • There have been 194 teams to face a 3-1 deficit in a best-of-seven series. Only eight of them recovered to win.
  • According to Synergy, Jamal leads the playoffs in field-goal attempts per game off the dribble (7.8). Said Van Gundy: “That is a tough thing. It’s not an easy thing to handle. We will make adjustments but when he’s ‘dribble, dribble, dribble’ and then pulls up that’s not easy to deal with without fouling.”
  • Van Gundy on Dwight’s minutes: “I don’t want to give away a big secret but he’s not going to get a lot of rest.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

608 comments Add your comment

J.J.M.

April 26th, 2011
7:58 pm

wooooow josh was wide open nder the rim and marin just sucks

Melvin

April 26th, 2011
7:59 pm

Josh may need to get rid of those sleeves. Maybe that will help him shoot better….

steven

April 26th, 2011
7:59 pm

nice defense joseph

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:00 pm

Brandon Bass is not that much bigger than Joe to where he has to resort to chair-pulling.

J.J.M.

April 26th, 2011
8:00 pm

hawks will lose this game

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:00 pm

Also, Marvin seems to be using the “flail arms wildly in the air” technique to try to get rebounds. That hasn’t been known to work all that well.

steven

April 26th, 2011
8:01 pm

so much for the focused shoot around. we haven’t hit crap

J.J.M.

April 26th, 2011
8:01 pm

yup we will lose

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:01 pm

Seriously, did anyone here think Marvin wasn’t going to get stripped on that drive?

steven

April 26th, 2011
8:01 pm

we needed a timeout that possession Larry..thanks

bigdave

April 26th, 2011
8:01 pm

DAMIEN WILKINS!!

cp

April 26th, 2011
8:02 pm

smh Marvin. dude is terrible. then a bad pass by Josh

tremaine

April 26th, 2011
8:02 pm

damn can we get a timeout coach?

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:02 pm

Hawks have drawn zero fouls since getting into the penalty.

J.J.M.

April 26th, 2011
8:02 pm

jumpshot after jumpshot

steven

April 26th, 2011
8:02 pm

there the timeout is…2 possessions too late

mykhalc

April 26th, 2011
8:02 pm

Marvin…ahh is still bad…

Melvin

April 26th, 2011
8:03 pm

Ugly start to this game… No energy and playing dumb…

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
8:03 pm

Hawks are leaving all their shots about 6″ short.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:03 pm

Magic are +9 with Dwight on the bench so far.

Wabe

April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm

how bout showing some killer instincts and actually putting them away tonight.

the magic haven’t play particularly well this first quarter, but the hawks decide to play the worst b’ball they’ve played all series.

terrell

April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm

Uh oh. Shots not falling tonight. Will we adjust, or keep chucking?

Sautee

April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm

Worst defense in all 5 games.

Blast

April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm

Wake up, Hawks.

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm

I feel like the Hawks are bringing energy, but the Magic have just been very active on defense.

Jae Evolution

April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm

Dwight Howard on the bench, no post-ups, no attacking.

steven

April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm

you can bet jamal will keep chucking

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm

You want to talk about basketball IQ? Ask why this team does sh-t like not posting up when they are in the bonus and the other team has no shot blockers on the floor.

Basketball IQ is a team-wide problem for this team.

cp

April 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

Dwight is sitting on the bench with 2 fouls but the Hawks are throwing up jumpers instead of attacking

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

UH OH COACH??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????WTF

Melvin

April 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

Put Teague in the game….

Jermaine

April 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

I hope Josh is coming out the game. He means well, but outside of drawing those early fouls, he’s been terrible so far in this game. We cannot dig ourselves a hole. The Hawks have awoken the crowd, and now they are going to have to work hard to take back control.

The Hawks look awful right now. They need to calm down and focus.

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

I don’t think he stepped out of bounds

steven

April 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

ahh so instead of posting Al up, we post Zaza up…okayy??

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

Co-sign Sautee. The D so far has been pretty bad.

bigdave

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

a ZaZa post up out of a TO? wish Al had a block game

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

free teague
it a freekin blowout the other way???

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

Marvin is HORRIBLE.

steven

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

thank god ryan anderson sucks

Sautee

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

“Ask why this team does sh-t like not posting up when they are in the bonus and the other team has no shot blockers on the floor. ”

Co-freakin’ sign

mykhalc

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

bigdave

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

MARVIN!!!!!!! awful

drmaryb (*_-)

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

Soft Hawks!

Marvin sucks!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

Way to go Zaza. Finally a Hawk draws a foul.

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

Get marvin out of the game.

J from the A

April 26th, 2011
8:06 pm

At least someone is trying to attack (Zaza!)

Melvin

April 26th, 2011
8:07 pm

My gosh, Marvin is terrible. How many times has he fumble the ball in this 1st qtr…

Jermaine

April 26th, 2011
8:07 pm

I hate playing from behind. It’s so uncomfortable when that happens on the road, but the guys just need to stay calm.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
8:07 pm

“ahh so instead of posting Al up, we post Zaza up”

Al gets blocked by someone shorter than him, Zaza draws a foul. As good as Al is, his post game is pretty damn mediocre.

J from the A

April 26th, 2011
8:07 pm

For a while during the regular season, I was taking up for Marvin. Why? Get him out of here!