Orlando–”Growth” has been the buzzword for the Hawks over the last two days.
Marvin: “We have an opportunity to show some growth. We’ve had a chance to close series [early] in the past and we haven’t done that.”
Al: “This is the first time we’ve been in this kind of position where we are up 3-1. We are a different team but they are coming out and giving us all they have. We have to make sure we come out ready and expect it and it will show some growth if we are able to come out on top.”
L.D.: “With this team I am always talking about this team growing. To me them positioning themselves to go into Orlando and finish this thing off, that’s a huge step in our growth process.”
I know what you are thinking. The Hawks have bigger goals than winning a first-round playoff series. That’s true but I’m also inclined to agree that a W tonight would mean be significant in a few ways.
Already the Hawks are the second team in franchise history to lead a seven-game series 3-1 (the ‘69-70 squad beat the Bulls in five). Win tonight and they would be the fifth time in 15 tries that an Atlanta Hawks team closed out a playoff series on the road (the ‘95-’96 squad was the last to do it, winning at Indiana). It also would be just the third time in 24 series the Atlanta Hawks won as the lower seed and the first time in a best-of-seven.
And let’s not forget that the Magic bludgeoned the Hawks last spring, prompting everyone to question their heart. Beating the Magic in five, even a different Magic team, would have to count for something.
That’s historical perspective. From a practical standpoint, the Hawks need the rest. Going seven games with Miami and Milwaukee the past two seasons didn’t help. That was especially true last season, when expectations for the Hawks were high and the Milwaukee series felt like a letdown.
“We were more worn out mentally than physically,” L.D. said. “We were already battered mentally and then we had had to gear up for what was going to be a physical pounding we knew that was going to happen during that series. It took a toll on us.”
So here’s a chance for the Hawks to put away the Magic and get a break between series. It won’t be easy.
“Coming back to this building, the energy is going to be high,” L.D. said. “The Magic have a lot of pride. They play hard. We have to expect we are not going to get a lot of calls. There’s a certain mentality you definitely have to have to close out a team. You play to be the desperate team as well. You don’t play like you have a 3-1 lead; you play like you’re behind 3-1. You play like this is the last game for you.”
More on those missed 3s
It seems one popular narrative in the series is that the Magic are missing bushels of wide open 3s. So I fired up the Synergy Sports Technology machine again to see if the video evidence supports that story.
In Game 3, the Magic got nine clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made four. One of those clean looks was a Redick miss when the Hawks pretty much let him shoot because Orlando was down four with time about to expire.
In Game 4, the Magic got eight clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made two. One of those clean looks was an Arenas miss after Jamal tripped and fell to the court (Jamal, by the way, aggressively defend 3s in that game after hardly working at it in the first three).
The Magic have attempted a total of 90 3-pointers in the series when subtracting the six heaves at the buzzer. By my count they’ve had 39 “clean” looks (43 percent of their legit attempts) and made 13, or 33 percent. I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic normally get or how many they usually make but it’s a pretty safe guess that they are accustomed to more open looks and making more of them.
There’s more to this story when you look at the video. The definition of a “clean” look is subjective but I can tell you mine was pretty liberal because these are NBA players in general and proven 3-point shooters in particular. I counted some looks as “clean” when Hawks defenders were quickly closing to challenge but didn’t appear to get a hand in the shooter’s face or into the expected path of the shot.
Those plays have happened a lot in this series. It’s been rare that a Magic shooter is standing alone outside of the 3-point line without the shot either being directly challenged or with the imminent threat of a closing defender. The Hawks have been very aggressive on their close-outs against Magic players other than Jameer (whom they don’t have to challenge as hard because he’s shorter) because none of them are a real threat to score off the dribble.
If Orlando’s 3-point shooters don’t look comfortable, could that be less about choking and more about being thrown off balance by swarms of long, athletic Hawks defenders buzzing around them? You can see on video that even when the Magic do get clean looks from 3 they tend to rush their shots. Could at least part of the reason for that be because they get only half a beat before a Hawks player is running at them to close off the space?
Maybe that’s why today Stan Van Gundy said: “We have to shoot the ball better, which I think in some ways means we have to have better patience and execution to create better shots.”
Again, I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic usually get in a game. I do know that a principle of their offense is to get those looks by way of Dwight post-ups leading to spot-up 3s. And I can tell you that after four games in this series the Magic still have gotten exactly one open 3-pointer in that manner. One.
That’s stymied the Magic’s effectiveness with spot-up Js, which was of one of their most effective play types in the regular season. Like Ryan Anderson said the other day, the Hawks are forcing the Magic to get their 3-point looks in different ways. It’s not going well for Orlando.
After looking at replays of all of Orlando’s 3-point attempts in this series, my take is that the “Magic are missing open shots” theory holds less water than the “aggressive Hawks defenders are disrupting Orlando’s shooters” theory.
Notes
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
608 comments Add your comment
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:21 pm
pick and roll defense= Hawks cryptonight for years and years and years………
honest_abe
April 26th, 2011
10:21 pm
yo! tell me larry drew doesn’t like yoda.
mykhalc
April 26th, 2011
10:21 pm
@abe… i ONLY watch FauxTV durin’ football season…PERIOD!!! hate ALL it represents…total BS…PERIOD!!
honest_abe
April 26th, 2011
10:21 pm
an idiot am i.
Wabe
April 26th, 2011
10:21 pm
section 303,
co———–f’n———-sign
i was literally gonna post what you posted. the hawks took a night off in game 5, so the hawks fans should take a night off game 6. let them come home to a half-empty arena to teach them a thing or two about taking nights off in playoff games.
seriously, this team is madddd frustrating.
honest_abe
April 26th, 2011
10:22 pm
i hear ya myk.. i get a kick out of watching loonies. makes me weird i know.. but how else can i explain watching so many hawks games over the years.
mykhalc
April 26th, 2011
10:24 pm
true abe…gotta admit you’re right. as Hawks fans we might fall into that category too….sad!!!LOL
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:26 pm
the brilliant CP3 starts workin his magic at 10:47pm no NO NO with the 2005 #2 lottery pick the Atlanta Hawks pick Marvin”LEAD BUTT” Williams..Thanks BILLY KNIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You Big Dummy…………………….
Wabe
April 26th, 2011
10:26 pm
again, tonight represents everything wrong with this team.
too many possessions off.
too many quarters off.
too many nights off.
not really a hungry bunch. no killer instinct. nothing about their performance tonight makes one think their really driven to win.
again, i point to OKC last night. did they lose? sure. but a team that’s up 3-0 playing at denver actually showed up and tried to pull one out, they just came up short. the hawks didn’t even bother showing up.
the hawks literally have insisted on putting their season on one game. if this think goes 7…
no comment
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
April 26th, 2011
10:26 pm
smh – gotta bounce back and finish these boys off in Game 6.
Wabe
April 26th, 2011
10:28 pm
i’ll be pulling for them thursday.
but nothing about our previous two wins here vs. the magic were easy. so i’m not sure why the hawks would think this is money in the bank.
they’ll need to bring it.
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
10:28 pm
WHY THE HELL WERE MAGIC SHOOTERS OPEN ALL GAME? I THOUGHT WE WERE SINGLE COVERAGING DWIGHT?
WHY THE HELL IS OUR PICK AND ROLL DEFENSE SO BAD? 99 % OF THE TIME IT WAS JAMEER AND DWIGHT VS. POOR ZAZA OR COLLINS WHO HAS A 2 CENTIMETER VERTICAL WHEN HEALTHY
LOL @ MARVIN POSTING UP AND GETTING STRIPPED
WORST PLAYER ON OUR TEAM
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:29 pm
They found the Hawks out finally..Its going 7 and it looks pretty grim for our
Atlanta Hawks….
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
April 26th, 2011
10:30 pm
Such a typical loss – none of us should be surprised in the least. No defensive adjustment – Lame Duck Drew is retarded for not putting Teague in at PG
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:35 pm
the godfather, chief gangsta is pissing in his pants. he has to be ecstatic superman lives to play another day!!!!!! and then close out a game 7 to meet up with rose and the boys…Chicago is going to be well rested…
It was not a bad pick
April 26th, 2011
10:35 pm
The hawks will win game 6..Orlando had their backs against the wall, they had to come out and play their best..In Atlanta those shots will not fall, and Joe max will show everyone why he signed the biggest contract in the NBA over the summer..well, most likely not, but Jamal will carry us to the easy win, Orlando is horrible..Marvin shot has not been falling but his D has been great..Run some plays for him and let him get in a groove!
doc
April 26th, 2011
10:37 pm
comon guys this is the switch on switch off team. they are gonna flip the switch on on thursday.
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
10:38 pm
WE SHOULD’VE STARTED TEAGUE! HINRICH IS THE PROBLEM!
terrell
April 26th, 2011
10:38 pm
Run some plays for Marvin? GTF outta here. lol.
Does anyone else smell a collapse coming?
J from the A
April 26th, 2011
10:38 pm
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Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:39 pm
when you watch CP3, notice hows he always in attack mode probing and lookin for cracks in the defenses.And when he finds it there is no hesitation,split second thought then he executes with precision, you cant teach this ish, its a gift from the creator!!! How did Billy miss on that?????? HUH?????
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
April 26th, 2011
10:40 pm
Co-sign JeJe!
honest_abe
April 26th, 2011
10:42 pm
hahaha doc. sense just a hint of sarcasm.
wax on wax off! if the hawks lose on thursday which i see there being a 50% shot they will get waxed in game 7. i guarantee you that.
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:46 pm
Marvin drop down and give me 30!!!!
Stop lifting Twinkies….LOL
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
April 26th, 2011
10:47 pm
yessur Slimjr Billy Knight was a fool for that 4ever.
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:47 pm
Hear we go the black mamba vs CP3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah…………………
honest_abe
April 26th, 2011
10:49 pm
how about someone even out that ass of his.. that little jerk in his step is not only annoying i think it’s holding him back from being a “superstar”.. heh
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
10:49 pm
hawks fan in new orleans,
I’M BEING SARCASTIC. WE DO NOT NEED TEAGUE. WE NEED SOME DAMN P&R DEFENSE AND SOME HEART FROM OUR FAKE SUPERSTAR JOE JOHNSON
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:49 pm
CP3=1st Ballot Hall of Fame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
10:50 pm
5 F’ING POINTS FROM YOUR HIGHEST PAID PLAYER. LOL WOW
LOSING BY 25 AND DWIGHT DIDN’T EVEN HAVE 10 POINTS
PICK AND ROLL DEFENSE, PEOPLE
WE WILL GET MURDERED BECAUSE THEY KILLED US IN P&R THE OTHER NIGHT WITH ARENAS
SVG IS NO DUMMY
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:50 pm
JEJE. it maybe a wrap??????????
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:51 pm
lakers look like the Hawks??????
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:53 pm
lakers playin dirty and getting away with it…god father made the call…..LOL
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
10:53 pm
FIRE LD
It was not a bad pick
April 26th, 2011
10:53 pm
@terrell
Yeah run some plays for a guy who was drafted #2 and almost #1..I have never ever seen anything like this since i started watching basketball..you draft a guy #2 and make him a stand in a corner and watch 3 guys take all the shots..but i guess running plays for the hometown hero J Smooth is cool right?…Until the Hawks get a real coach, we are going no where…next year when Marvin is scoring 20 ppg for someone i will say very loudly, i told you so..Just like with Jordan Crawford..The Hawks have to many ball hogs!..
@slim Jr
you and i both know Woody was not going to play Paul if we drafted him #2.Get over it..Paul has never won a damn thing anyway..If Marvin got as many plays ran for him as Josh Smith, he would average 20ppg..i never seen a former #2 have to defer to average at best players..
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
10:56 pm
Always count on Granny to come lighten the mood when things are going bad.
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
10:58 pm
“@slim Jr
you and i both know Woody was not going to play Paul if we drafted him #2.Get over it..Paul has never won a damn thing anyway…”
Your probably right, stubborn Woody would have left him to rot on the bench.That was then, this is now…..
Josh and Marvin for CP3 and a #1 pick……
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
11:02 pm
We could’ve won tonight or Saturday and had 9 days off til rd 2
Good job Hawks
UGA
April 26th, 2011
11:04 pm
Game 6 is a must win……………if we lose the series maybe we can finally ride ourselves of Smoove. If he could have made a FT or shot in the beginning it would have set a better tone
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
11:06 pm
Smoove=bonehead……………
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
11:07 pm
DWIGHT HAD 9 POINTS AND WE LOST BY 25
WE GOT OWNED BY SCRUBS LIKE RYAN ANDERSON AND REDDICK
LOL!
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
April 26th, 2011
11:09 pm
JeJe – I hear ya, but he should have gotten some burn.
It was not a bad pick
April 26th, 2011
11:12 pm
@Najeh Davenpoop
The Sheldon Williams pick is the pick that will forever hurt us…Hell, we have a good point guard roasting on the bench right now!..Point guard is not the position that is hurting us.. The lakers have won titles with Fisher at the point, and the help of the refs, but that’s another story….It looks like bibby will get a ring running the point with the Heat…But we passed on Rondo in 06, who i like just as much as Paul,..and we passed on Roy, who even with a battered leg is 20x better than Joe Max!..Regardless Marvin has been solid, no small forward is going to score over 12ppg with the 3 J posse out there throwing up more garbage than the basket can take…
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
11:20 pm
LOL
Smoove was THE ONLY guy on the team to show up, who attacked the hoop and played spirited
Yet people still hate on him.
I do agree his Free Throws screwed us early though
Horford is at fault too for not being a leader
Wait, Joe has not been a leader either
Hinrich would be a good leader but IDK WTF he has been doing
Section 303
April 26th, 2011
11:21 pm
I just don’t have it in me to join in on any of the conversations on here. We’re really talking about awful draft picks from the past right now? Geez…..save it for when we lose Game 7 on Saturday.
I have zero faith in these guys bouncing back on Thursday. That’s zero. Just seen this too many times. They’ve quit, again.
I can’t imagine being fired up on Thursday night. I dread being in Philips for the debacle we all know is coming.
mykhalc
April 26th, 2011
11:30 pm
@JeJe…yep…what i saw in the first 2 qtrs, Josh was the only one ready to play…
Rusty
April 26th, 2011
11:39 pm
I don’t think that we would have been any worse if we hadn’t signed JJ.
mykhalc
April 26th, 2011
11:39 pm
here’s was for memory lane folks…Woodson refused to let LD go to SAC with Theus’ staff…remember!!!??? cursed i tell ya…cursed with studpidity!!!
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
11:40 pm
Marvin Williams is the softest play in the NBA
On a morning interview with 680, he talked half the time about his love for movies. He didn’t seem that motivated or interested in tonight’s game
SMDH
FIRE ASG
FIRE SUND
FIRE LD
FIRE WOODY
The Real Mandingo
April 26th, 2011
11:40 pm
I’m new to this so please bear with me. As I see it, my support for the ATL Hawks is analogous to a wise, intelligent man in love with a silly, sexy, promiscuous woman (ie., slut, tramp, skank, et cetera). The wise man deep down in his heart knows that the loose woman is no good for him. He knows a relationship with this type of woman is idiotic and a complete waste of time. He knows a tenous relationship with her at best will only end in heartache and potential financial ruin. The ATL Hawks are like the silly, loose woman with whom you fall in love. The Hawks have flashes of brilliance such as J-Craw hitting swagger daggers, game winners and buzzer beaters, Al “Boss” Horford hitting that set shot off the pick and pop, J-Smoove blocking shots, making steals, and dunking lob passes, and Joe Cool heating up and going off on the mid-range game. Even though the Hawks can be exciting to watch, this team is woefully inconsistent and seems to mail it in when the proverbial “chips are down.” This team has some nice pieces but are in need of a coach who is a great communicator, motivator, and tactician. This teams also needs a quality big man (center). This is my two cents.