Atlanta Hawks at Magic Game 5: ‘Growth’ business

Orlando–”Growth” has been the buzzword for the Hawks over the last two days.

Marvin: “We have an opportunity to show some growth. We’ve had a chance to close series [early] in the past and we haven’t done that.”

Al: “This is the first time we’ve been in this kind of position where we are up 3-1. We are a different team but they are coming out and giving us all they have. We have to make sure we come out ready and expect it and it will show some growth if we are able to come out on top.”

L.D.: “With this team I am always talking about this team growing. To me them positioning themselves to go into Orlando and finish this thing off, that’s a huge step in our growth process.”

I know what you are thinking. The Hawks have bigger goals than winning a first-round playoff series. That’s true but I’m also inclined to agree that a W tonight would mean be significant in a few ways.

Already the Hawks are the second team in franchise history to lead a seven-game series 3-1 (the ‘69-70 squad beat the Bulls in five). Win tonight and they would be the fifth time in 15 tries that an Atlanta Hawks team closed out a playoff series on the road (the ‘95-’96 squad was the last to do it, winning at Indiana). It also would be just the third time in 24 series the Atlanta Hawks won as the lower seed and the first time in a best-of-seven.

And let’s not forget that the Magic bludgeoned the Hawks last spring, prompting everyone to question their heart. Beating the Magic in five, even a different Magic team, would have to count for something.

That’s historical perspective. From a practical standpoint, the Hawks need the rest. Going seven games with Miami and Milwaukee the past two seasons didn’t help. That was especially true last season, when expectations for the Hawks were high and the Milwaukee series felt like a letdown.

“We were more worn out mentally than physically,” L.D. said. “We were already battered mentally and then we had had to gear up for what was going to be a physical pounding we knew that was going to happen during that series. It took a toll on us.”

So here’s a chance for the Hawks to put away the Magic and get a break between series. It won’t be easy.

“Coming back to this building, the energy is going to be high,” L.D. said. “The Magic have a lot of pride. They play hard. We have to expect we are not going to get a lot of calls. There’s a certain mentality you definitely have to have to close out a team. You play to be the desperate team as well. You don’t play like you have a 3-1 lead; you play like you’re behind 3-1. You play like this is the last game for you.”

More on those missed 3s

It seems one popular narrative in the series is that the Magic are missing bushels of wide open 3s. So I fired up the Synergy Sports Technology machine again to see if the video evidence supports that story.

In Game 3, the Magic got nine clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made four. One of those clean looks was a Redick miss when the Hawks pretty much let him shoot because Orlando was down four with time about to expire.

In Game 4, the Magic got eight clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made two. One of those clean looks was an Arenas miss after Jamal tripped and fell to the court (Jamal, by the way, aggressively defend 3s in that game after hardly working at it in the first three).

The Magic have attempted a total of 90 3-pointers in the series when subtracting the six heaves at the buzzer. By my count they’ve had 39 “clean” looks (43 percent of their legit attempts) and made 13, or 33 percent. I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic normally get or how many they usually make but it’s a pretty safe guess that they are accustomed to more open looks and making more of them.

There’s more to this story when you look at the video. The definition of a “clean” look is subjective but I can tell you mine was pretty liberal because these are NBA players in general and proven 3-point shooters in particular. I counted some looks as “clean” when Hawks defenders were quickly closing to challenge but didn’t appear to get a hand in the shooter’s face or into the expected path of the shot.

Those plays have happened a lot in this series. It’s been rare that a Magic shooter is standing alone outside of the 3-point line without the shot either being directly challenged or with the imminent threat of a closing defender. The Hawks have been very aggressive on their close-outs against Magic players other than Jameer (whom they don’t have to challenge as hard because he’s shorter) because none of them are a real threat to score off the dribble.

If Orlando’s 3-point shooters don’t look comfortable, could that be less about choking and more about being thrown off balance by swarms of long, athletic Hawks defenders buzzing around them? You can see on video that even when the Magic do get clean looks from 3 they tend to rush their shots. Could at least part of the reason for that be because they get only half a beat before a Hawks player is running at them to close off the space?

Maybe that’s why today Stan Van Gundy said: “We have to shoot the ball better, which I think in some ways means we have to have better patience and execution to create better shots.”

Again, I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic usually get in a game. I do know that a principle of their offense is to get those looks by way of Dwight post-ups leading to spot-up 3s. And I can tell you that after four games in this series the Magic still have gotten exactly one open 3-pointer in that manner. One.

That’s stymied the Magic’s effectiveness with spot-up Js, which was of one of their most effective play types in the regular season. Like Ryan Anderson said the other day, the Hawks are forcing the Magic to get their 3-point looks in different ways. It’s not going well for Orlando.

After looking at replays of all of Orlando’s 3-point attempts in this series, my take is that the “Magic are missing open shots” theory holds less water than the “aggressive Hawks defenders are disrupting Orlando’s shooters” theory.

Notes

  • Zaza on the expected reception from Magic fans: “I remember rookie year I was fan favorite. Now I am most hated.”
  • L.D. on fan animosity for Zaza: “It’s not anything he’s not used to. I’m sure in his career it’s happened before. Zaza is a pro.”
  • L.D. expects the Magic to use Arenas in more pick-and-rolls. Van Gundy expects the Hawks to adjust how they defend Arenas in those plays.
  • There have been 194 teams to face a 3-1 deficit in a best-of-seven series. Only eight of them recovered to win.
  • According to Synergy, Jamal leads the playoffs in field-goal attempts per game off the dribble (7.8). Said Van Gundy: “That is a tough thing. It’s not an easy thing to handle. We will make adjustments but when he’s ‘dribble, dribble, dribble’ and then pulls up that’s not easy to deal with without fouling.”
  • Van Gundy on Dwight’s minutes: “I don’t want to give away a big secret but he’s not going to get a lot of rest.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Hawks vs Magic

April 26th, 2011
9:53 pm

9 out of the entire 12 men on the Magic’s team have more points than Joe Johnson

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
9:53 pm

^^^^^^^and that ish is contagious!!!!!!!!!

Jae Evolution

April 26th, 2011
9:53 pm

Please close out the series at home…we do not need another first round 7 game series.

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
9:53 pm

Dang it, Hilton. Let it end.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
9:54 pm

referring to Marvin being the most nervous NBA player I have ever seen^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Buddy Grizzard

April 26th, 2011
9:54 pm

First quarter before dh gets in foul trouble:
Josh def reb
Josh miss 22-footer
Josh def reb
Josh miss 8-foot hook
Collins def reb
Josh draws foul on Hedo 1-2
Josh draws foul on dh 1-2
Collins fouls dh
ah def reb
jj misses 18-footer
kh misses 25-footer
kh def reb
ah hits 17- footer kh assist
Josh fouls J-Rich
Josh hits 9-foot hook
Josh def reb
ah misses 14-footer
kh makes 18 footer
ah misses 19-footer
Josh off reb
Josh misses layup
Josh blocked bh dh on 5-footer
ah fouls dwight
Josh draws foul on dh 1-2
5:39 1st qtr, Brandon Bass subs in for DWIGHT HOWARD
Orlando leads 10-8
5:33 1st qtr, JAMAL CRAWFORD subs for kh
ah def reb
Jamal misses 23-footer
ah def reb
ah misses 18-footer
4:35 first qtr Zaza subs for ah
Orlando leads 12-9
jj misses 9-foot hook
jamal misses 20-foot jumper
josh misses layup
josh of reb
marv of reb
marv turnover
josh throws pass away
jamal misses 25-footer
2:36 kh subs for josh
Orlando leads 19-9
ah subs for jj
jamal crawford turnover
bass block on ah
marv turnover
ah def reb
marv def reb
zaza makes 2 ft
bass blocks zaza 5-ft hook
zaza turnover
jamal makes 2 ft
End 1st qtr Orlando 26, Hawks 13

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:54 pm

No Magic player had more than 6 made field goals and they still blew out the Hawks.

cp

April 26th, 2011
9:54 pm

lol wtf is wrong with Armstrong

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
9:55 pm

seven seven seven seven then 2nd round sweep three years running maybe..Why not set another NBA record??????

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:55 pm

LD better find a solution for defending the high pick and roll. The Hawks got murdered by it tonight, and if they can’t find a way to defend it successfully, the Magic can easily come back and take this sh-t.

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
9:56 pm

cmon guys. give it a break. now chant with me.

lets go hawks…………………….bleh

Najeh Davenpoop

April 26th, 2011
9:56 pm

Dwight Howard with the single-single. 8 points, 8 boards, 1 made field goal. Hawks lose by 25. Woody would be proud.

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
9:57 pm

pick up trash ball at its finest. sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

Kurt

April 26th, 2011
9:58 pm

What a huge disappointment here. This may have changed the entire series. Most of the Hawks players are probably too weak, mentally, to even recover from this for game 6.

By the way, as bad as the Hawks played tonight, a big part of the problem was also the fact that the players payed too much attention to Dwight. Our mediocre coach should realize that that is never a good move. It never works to double Dwight. Even the thought of doing that is silly. I hope Drew realizes that, and I hope he rips his players after this loss. He’s probably too much of a panzy to even do that though. He’ll probably be blowing Josh and talking about how great Joe is in his post-game interview and just blame the loss on a lack of “sense of urgency” and shots not falling. Drew is the perfect representation of what this team is all about. A coward who talks a big game, but never goes out and does what he is talking about. A lot of talk and nothing to back it up…

tremaine

April 26th, 2011
9:58 pm

Press Conference live on NBA.com should be interesting to see what LD has to say about tonight.

Kurt

April 26th, 2011
9:58 pm

Josh should be wearing a shirt that says “Stupidity is contagious”.

J from the A

April 26th, 2011
9:59 pm

Bad game.

The Hawks will pull it together and take the series in game 6.

(I predicted Hawks in 6 before the series began, and it looks like I will be sticking to my prediction as the series nears its end!)

doc

April 26th, 2011
9:59 pm

no grown men her tonight. it is a team of peter pans not willing to grow up.

f’uggly

BILLY KNIGHT

April 26th, 2011
10:00 pm

Kurt josh is the only player that played tonight.

Section 303

April 26th, 2011
10:00 pm

I hope the arena is half full on Thursday. I really do. This team should be booed when they take the floor on Thursday. And, they should be booed loud.

Unacceptable. This debacle tonight might have actually been my breaking point. Just come out and quit today. No effort. They are poised to p#ss this whole thing away. And, when they do, time to hit the red button that is hidden at Philips and blow this team to bits.

Just f’ing awful.

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
10:01 pm

when you have no discipline on offense. when you have no leadership. you have no shot of fighting back against adversity. the hawks proved this tonight.

mykhalc

April 26th, 2011
10:01 pm

i left in the 2nd qtr…seems like my AAU boyz showed up as usual eh??? are we really surprised?? not even a lil bit…

Rusty

April 26th, 2011
10:02 pm

Ld is the dumbass coach in the NBA.

BILLY KNIGHT

April 26th, 2011
10:02 pm

Im call my homeboy tonight and ask why teague have not played, he is the hawks only hope for creating easy basket for teammate.

Rusty

April 26th, 2011
10:03 pm

Nortcyde when will you ever face up to the fact that JJ sucks

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
10:03 pm

devastating loss..Grave injury…May not recover in time…Allstar Al and iso should give refunds!! They suck big time tonight.Allstar AL you have not been impressive one bit during this playoff run..You dont want any part of the low post..You will be going fishing next Allstar weekend

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
10:04 pm

mykhalc: you know i’m not. heh at least most of us that have been on this board for the better part of 5 – 6 years know its the same ol story.

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
10:04 pm

I guess NBATV was blacked out for me in Tampa because it is back on just in time to listen to SVG. UGH!

tremaine

April 26th, 2011
10:04 pm

Like I said earlier, this playoff series has officially started. Good thing we only need one game.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
10:05 pm

Ld= BUGS BUNNY! TTHHATS ALL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JeJe

April 26th, 2011
10:06 pm

We are in trouble because of the pick&roll defense.

ORL isn’t even posting up Dwight. They just run the pick & roll, and our PG suffers, while ZaZa or Collins try to guard Dwight + Jameer/Arenas

Better make adjustments and sell out this game Thursday

mykhalc

April 26th, 2011
10:06 pm

and let’s not be surprised IF they lose the series either!!! wish we had a real leader on this team…

Rusty

April 26th, 2011
10:06 pm

Meant fact, he also holds the ball to long & always chokes in big games, also his shooting is horrible, I wouldn’t pay him over 2 mil a year. He sucks.

hawkfan

April 26th, 2011
10:07 pm

well i saved my eyes and stopped watching the game after that 10 point deficit in the first quarter, just knew it wasn’t that kind of night and we will be blown out, at least now everyone will turn against the hawks and they will have their backs to the wall just like other years, let’s see if they respond, at this point it could go either way and it doesn’t matter which team wins this round, since if we win our team will likely stay the same and if the magic win than otis will probably keep his job so 2 stagnant teams fighting each other, while the bulls might win tonight and look ahead to their 2nd round opponent

mykhalc

April 26th, 2011
10:08 pm

@abe…you know, i know, you know better… ;-)

Melvin

April 26th, 2011
10:09 pm

The Hawks let the Magic off the hook tonight…

JeJe

April 26th, 2011
10:09 pm

OMG START TEAGUE! STARTING HIM WILL SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS!

Everyone knows our P&R defense f’ing blows. Just watch those Suns games this year where Horford ended up on Nash every time

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
10:10 pm

i don’t know whats worse the hawks game or this sarah palin interview.

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
10:10 pm

this will be a melt down of the ages in Hawks History if they dont get it done

BILLY KNIGHT

April 26th, 2011
10:11 pm

Teague can stop the picking role at top of the key, but LD have 2 make adjustment and play him.

mykhalc

April 26th, 2011
10:12 pm

@abe…you tryin’ to kill yourself with your TV viewin’ tonite??? WAY TOO much to a Hawks game with more idiocy!!! CHI and IND bro…great television :-)

mykhalc

April 26th, 2011
10:13 pm

to follow a Hawks game…

Rev in Tampa

April 26th, 2011
10:15 pm

Are you guys listening to SVG’s presser as he talks about Dwight not being fragrantly fould all season. Sounds like he is about to lose it. Too funny.

JeJe

April 26th, 2011
10:15 pm

Pathetic game from Joe Johnson. He had freaking Gilbert Arenas on him and couldn’t do !@#$

honest_abe

April 26th, 2011
10:17 pm

ya myk i was watchin some indy/chi but then i just couldnt’ watch anymore basketball. teh sarah palin interview wasn’t much better… sounded like a crazy old witch screaming nonsense into the tv

James on Pharr Rd

April 26th, 2011
10:17 pm

Did I say I was pissed offffff.
Again,pissed $^***#@##$
The Hawks are Soft-like Marvin William’s game, soft like Chris Bosh swag, mushy like Jamal’s D, soft like Al’s post up game, weak like JS’s J, soft like everybody else says…

I cant stand regular season style basketball in the playoffs, that’s why we get no respect from anyone in the league. LD, its all on you. I asked this precise qn at the start-why didn’t LD play highlights this morning-with sound, of last years’ blowouts?

Slimjr

April 26th, 2011
10:17 pm

we gotta watch 2 more of this bullsh_t??????????????????????

BILLY KNIGHT

April 26th, 2011
10:18 pm

LD have make adjustment now, there is no more low post for howard, there bringing him to top of key for pick role on every play, so what collins have to do is stay back in the paint and dont follow howard to the key.

JeJe

April 26th, 2011
10:18 pm

As soon as Dwight went out, we suffered.

F’ing pathetic

I actually thought we’d prove EVERYONE wrong and win this

James on Pharr Rd

April 26th, 2011
10:19 pm

^^ WEAK LIKE NIQUE’S COMMENTARY, VERY WEAK. sORRY, NIQUE, I AM PISSED