Orlando–”Growth” has been the buzzword for the Hawks over the last two days.
Marvin: “We have an opportunity to show some growth. We’ve had a chance to close series [early] in the past and we haven’t done that.”
Al: “This is the first time we’ve been in this kind of position where we are up 3-1. We are a different team but they are coming out and giving us all they have. We have to make sure we come out ready and expect it and it will show some growth if we are able to come out on top.”
L.D.: “With this team I am always talking about this team growing. To me them positioning themselves to go into Orlando and finish this thing off, that’s a huge step in our growth process.”
I know what you are thinking. The Hawks have bigger goals than winning a first-round playoff series. That’s true but I’m also inclined to agree that a W tonight would mean be significant in a few ways.
Already the Hawks are the second team in franchise history to lead a seven-game series 3-1 (the ‘69-70 squad beat the Bulls in five). Win tonight and they would be the fifth time in 15 tries that an Atlanta Hawks team closed out a playoff series on the road (the ‘95-’96 squad was the last to do it, winning at Indiana). It also would be just the third time in 24 series the Atlanta Hawks won as the lower seed and the first time in a best-of-seven.
And let’s not forget that the Magic bludgeoned the Hawks last spring, prompting everyone to question their heart. Beating the Magic in five, even a different Magic team, would have to count for something.
That’s historical perspective. From a practical standpoint, the Hawks need the rest. Going seven games with Miami and Milwaukee the past two seasons didn’t help. That was especially true last season, when expectations for the Hawks were high and the Milwaukee series felt like a letdown.
“We were more worn out mentally than physically,” L.D. said. “We were already battered mentally and then we had had to gear up for what was going to be a physical pounding we knew that was going to happen during that series. It took a toll on us.”
So here’s a chance for the Hawks to put away the Magic and get a break between series. It won’t be easy.
“Coming back to this building, the energy is going to be high,” L.D. said. “The Magic have a lot of pride. They play hard. We have to expect we are not going to get a lot of calls. There’s a certain mentality you definitely have to have to close out a team. You play to be the desperate team as well. You don’t play like you have a 3-1 lead; you play like you’re behind 3-1. You play like this is the last game for you.”
More on those missed 3s
It seems one popular narrative in the series is that the Magic are missing bushels of wide open 3s. So I fired up the Synergy Sports Technology machine again to see if the video evidence supports that story.
In Game 3, the Magic got nine clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made four. One of those clean looks was a Redick miss when the Hawks pretty much let him shoot because Orlando was down four with time about to expire.
In Game 4, the Magic got eight clean looks on 3-pointers (not counting heaves at the buzzer) and made two. One of those clean looks was an Arenas miss after Jamal tripped and fell to the court (Jamal, by the way, aggressively defend 3s in that game after hardly working at it in the first three).
The Magic have attempted a total of 90 3-pointers in the series when subtracting the six heaves at the buzzer. By my count they’ve had 39 “clean” looks (43 percent of their legit attempts) and made 13, or 33 percent. I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic normally get or how many they usually make but it’s a pretty safe guess that they are accustomed to more open looks and making more of them.
There’s more to this story when you look at the video. The definition of a “clean” look is subjective but I can tell you mine was pretty liberal because these are NBA players in general and proven 3-point shooters in particular. I counted some looks as “clean” when Hawks defenders were quickly closing to challenge but didn’t appear to get a hand in the shooter’s face or into the expected path of the shot.
Those plays have happened a lot in this series. It’s been rare that a Magic shooter is standing alone outside of the 3-point line without the shot either being directly challenged or with the imminent threat of a closing defender. The Hawks have been very aggressive on their close-outs against Magic players other than Jameer (whom they don’t have to challenge as hard because he’s shorter) because none of them are a real threat to score off the dribble.
If Orlando’s 3-point shooters don’t look comfortable, could that be less about choking and more about being thrown off balance by swarms of long, athletic Hawks defenders buzzing around them? You can see on video that even when the Magic do get clean looks from 3 they tend to rush their shots. Could at least part of the reason for that be because they get only half a beat before a Hawks player is running at them to close off the space?
Maybe that’s why today Stan Van Gundy said: “We have to shoot the ball better, which I think in some ways means we have to have better patience and execution to create better shots.”
Again, I don’t know how many clean looks the Magic usually get in a game. I do know that a principle of their offense is to get those looks by way of Dwight post-ups leading to spot-up 3s. And I can tell you that after four games in this series the Magic still have gotten exactly one open 3-pointer in that manner. One.
That’s stymied the Magic’s effectiveness with spot-up Js, which was of one of their most effective play types in the regular season. Like Ryan Anderson said the other day, the Hawks are forcing the Magic to get their 3-point looks in different ways. It’s not going well for Orlando.
After looking at replays of all of Orlando’s 3-point attempts in this series, my take is that the “Magic are missing open shots” theory holds less water than the “aggressive Hawks defenders are disrupting Orlando’s shooters” theory.
Notes
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
608 comments Add your comment
Rev in Tampa
April 26th, 2011
9:28 pm
That was no foul. JJ Reddick was already past. The two hawks ran into each other.
cp
April 26th, 2011
9:28 pm
the game is over LD, get the bench in
JeJe
April 26th, 2011
9:28 pm
Losing by 500 and Dwight has like 8 freaking points
bigdave
April 26th, 2011
9:28 pm
Sautee..
that was my point.. which is why i said “these guys” and mentioned the opposite ball side big flashing.. i made notice of Joe missing it earlier.. Al has missed too.
Rev in Tampa
April 26th, 2011
9:29 pm
5 on hinrich. Maybe teague time.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:30 pm
Kirk please commit a charge so that Teague can come in.
Melvin
April 26th, 2011
9:30 pm
Damn I hate dumb coaching. Your regular players had 3qtrs to play and they let the other team build a 20+ lead. Play the bench the entire 4th qtr you idiot….
drmaryb (*_-)
April 26th, 2011
9:30 pm
4 Bottles of Beer on The Wall!
If one of them bottles of beer should fall?
3 bottle of beer on the wall.
James on Pharr! The answer is 4. LOL!
______________
I guess the Hawks got the MEMO:
Daddy War-Bucks (ASKG) need a game 6 to pay the light bill @ Phillips this month!
Hawks vs Magic
April 26th, 2011
9:31 pm
“Losing by 500 and Dwight has like 8 freaking points”
and when he scored 46, the Magic lost by 10 pts. This is one seriously frustrating team
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:31 pm
The defensive rotations have just been awful in this game.
bigdave
April 26th, 2011
9:32 pm
Marvin Williams should be in the D League.
Melvin
April 26th, 2011
9:32 pm
This is insane. Hawks down 25pts with 9mins left and still playing the starters….
Rev in Tampa
April 26th, 2011
9:32 pm
Marvin, you big dummy. (with fred sanford voice)
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:35 pm
Al had a wide open lane where he could have cut and Kirk could have found him for the easy dunk, but he hung out at the top of the key instead waiting for the pass.
Now, Al knocks down that shot with regularity, so it’s not a big deal that he hangs out up there. But as far as the Smoove criticism is concerned, if the problem is just in the idea of a big man hanging out on the perimeter, Smoove is by no means the only big man on this team who is guilty as charged.
leedsatlanta
April 26th, 2011
9:35 pm
LD so bad he cannot even empty the bench!
Wabe
April 26th, 2011
9:36 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:31 pm
“The defensive rotations have just been awful in this game.”
Defense requires effort. Effort is something the Hawks don’t bring when they don’t want to. The Hawks are the only team in the playoffs that takes nights off in a playoff game. The only team that will hand their opponent a freebie.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:36 pm
Passive Joe is worse than Aggressive Joe, but Invisible Joe is worse than both. Tonight, Joe is rocking the invisibility cloak.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:36 pm
TEAGUE PARTY!!
Rev in Tampa
April 26th, 2011
9:36 pm
My daughters have been doing a lot of trash talking to their classmates and making their dad very proud. But I am very glad this week is spring break in Tampa otherwise I would have to let them skip school tomorrow.
Melvin
April 26th, 2011
9:37 pm
Hawks continue to get blown out with their starter on the floor. What will this do to their mental state going into game 6?
tremaine
April 26th, 2011
9:37 pm
TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:37 pm
Of course along with Teague comes Josh Powell, so expect to see several good passes get fumbled away out of bounds.
Rev in Tampa
April 26th, 2011
9:37 pm
Why did I know that Marvin’s jumper would not go in?
Brad
April 26th, 2011
9:38 pm
I really dislike Quentin Richardson for some reason
steven
April 26th, 2011
9:38 pm
a masterful 5 points so far from one of the highest paid players in the league
ceeCee
April 26th, 2011
9:38 pm
I CANT BELIEVE THIS EFFORT..I REALLY WISH THE TNT AND NBA ANALYSTS WOULD CALL OUT JOE JOHNSON!! NOBODY CALLS HIM OUT BECAUSE THEY DONT GIVE A FLIP ABOUT ATLANTA. IF JJ GOT CRITIZED BY THE MEDIA MORE HE WOULD STEP HIS GAME UP!!
TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i HOPE HE BALLLS OUT!
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:38 pm
“Why did I know that Marvin’s jumper would not go in?”
Don’t you know? They just need to run more plays for him. He was the #2 pick after all.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:39 pm
I don’t think TNT even mentioned this game at halftime. I think at this point they are actively trying to avoid talking about this series.
tremaine
April 26th, 2011
9:42 pm
Dominique trying to coach right now. You got to swing the ball until you find my Damien.
Rev in Tampa
April 26th, 2011
9:43 pm
Josh Powell = Marvin Williams
steven
April 26th, 2011
9:43 pm
5 points and 0 free throw attempts from our hero. When things aren’t going your way YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THE BALL and get to the line and pick up some easy points to get your shot going. WHYFOR?!
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:44 pm
Marvin is the king of having a toe on the line when he shoots 3’s.
tremaine
April 26th, 2011
9:45 pm
Thank you to whoever told Dominique to STFU!
honest_abe
April 26th, 2011
9:46 pm
amen wabe amen.
this team is a joke. up 3-1 they’re still a joke. the magic played about as bad as they possibly could and still had a shot of winning each of those games. what playoff team has lost by this kind of margin? there hasn’t been one because most teams have heart. this team is clueless. they don’t respond well to adversity and yet they still have shot to close out the series in game 6. lets just hope the magic somehow fall back into their shooting slump and hand the hawks the series because i have no confidence in them taking it.
drmaryb (*_-)
April 26th, 2011
9:46 pm
Just checked in to see Teague balling!
He should have started and Damien too, at least at the 9 to 21 first qrtr mark. Now, it doesn’t matter. Drew !!!!!!!!!!
niremetal
April 26th, 2011
9:47 pm
Round up the usual suspects.
Kurt
April 26th, 2011
9:47 pm
If I didn’t know better, I would think this was the second round of the 2010 NBA playoffs. Games like this hurt so bad that it makes it difficult to even watch other NBA games if you’re a diehard Hawks fans. For me, as soon as I start watching or playing basketball after a game like this, I’m reminded of how embarrassing the Hawks played. I don’t see how the team can expect fan support when they make it look like they don’t even belong on the court. You can’t tell me that the Magic are so good that they would blow the Hawks out by thirty when the Hawks were playing smart or giving maximum effort. That’s just silly. A true contender would wipe the floor with the Magic. Boston would sweep them without breaking a sweat. I wish the Hawks had even half as much heart and mental toughness as Boston.
cp
April 26th, 2011
9:48 pm
Teague must have forgot who he was passing that to
Rev in Tampa
April 26th, 2011
9:48 pm
Win- Win.
If the Hawks eliminate the Magic I will be happy. If the Magic win the series Larry Drew will very likely be fired and I will be happy.
Even though I would not lay this loss at Larry Drew’s feet, if the Hawks loose this series it will be worse that the four game beat-down from last year which cost Woody his job.
Hawks vs Magic
April 26th, 2011
9:48 pm
Teague’s got just 5 and a half minutes under his belt and already has almost as many pts as Joe (who played 35 minutes)
drmaryb (*_-)
April 26th, 2011
9:48 pm
Stomp The Yard …… Is on BET now.
Now, that’s fierce competition from TNT.
honest_abe
April 26th, 2011
9:49 pm
my case in point. indy. hawks would lose to the 8th seed in a 7 game series. no doubt.
Joe Johnson
April 26th, 2011
9:49 pm
sorry guys. maybe next game i’ll show up. or maybe i won’t, and i’ll get booed? all i know is i’m stealin yo money bahbahahah
ceeCee
April 26th, 2011
9:49 pm
@Najeh: I wish they would and talk about how JJ needs to step it up!! That the problem with these guys…they dont get called out indiviually.
At least the 2nd unit is putting up a fight
Why cant damien get Marvins minutes????????LD should get fired over that alone!
Hawks vs Magic
April 26th, 2011
9:51 pm
Teague has now tied Joe’s point total in under 6 minutes
BILLY KNIGHT
April 26th, 2011
9:51 pm
SEE HOW TEAGUE CREATE EASY SHOT FOR HIS TEAMMATE
Kurt
April 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
“Just checked in to see Teague balling!”
Balling? I hope you just mean that he is on the court playing basketball, because he’s definitely not looking impressive at all. He’s 1-3 from the field with 1 assist and 1 turnover against third-string players. It would have been nice to see him in the game against actual starters for the Magic to see what he could do, but at this point, it means nothing. College point guards could probably light up this Magic lineup. Also, you have to keep in mind that the Magic aren’t even trying at this point.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
As of right now, the Magic have outscored the Hawks by 14 points in this series.
Slimjr
April 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
Marvin is the most nervous NBA player I have ever seen…..
Section 303
April 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m braced for a debacle on Thursday. They’re going to blow this series.
Just when I thought this team was past these no-show outtings, they show, in a major way, they’re not. Awful game. Same ol’ Hawks.
They should passout tissues to cry in, rather than rally towels. Blowing this series is going to be tough to take.