Atlanta Hawks: They sure do take bad shots sometimes

From what I’m hearing, the TNT talkers spent a lot of time last night ragging on the Hawks for their poor shot selection. This just in. . . .

I can imagine the collective shrugs of my blog people who know this team and have become accustomed to (if not totally accepting of) its weaknesses. I also figure you are annoyed by the national nit-picking of those warts by people just now paying attention to the Hawks and who hadn’t bothered to take a moment to look at numbers which clearly show they love jump shots (and are pretty good at making them).

I assure you it’s nothing personal. The same thing happened at this time last year. People who hadn’t watched the Hawks all year and/or analyze their tendencies were appalled to discover that Joe spent a lot of time dribbling on one side of the floor as his teammates watched or that Josh gets frustrated by calls and loses focus.

I remember my response to puzzled Orlando media types querying me about those topics: “Um, yeah. That’s the Hawks.” And whenever I would make an observation about the team they cover regularly, they would say: “Um, yeah. That’s the Magic.”

So here we are again. The Hawks are getting roasted for being the Hawks. We’ve seen it the last three games: The Hawks built a sizable lead by generally taking good shots and making them, then lost it by generally taking bad shots and missing them (or missing more of the good ones).

It’s not as if the Hawks don’t understand what’s going on.

“We have to be smarter with our shot selection, especially when we are up,” Al said. “I think guys want to put it away with one play, one big three or something. But it doesn’t work that way. If you are not hitting you have to do something different. Attack more, change it up.”

How long have we been hearing that from these guys? It’s April 25 and so it’s doubtful they are going to change their habits now. And, really, oftentimes the Hawks are only encouraged to keep jacking Js by their early success.

Consider Game 4. According to Synergy Sports Technology, the Hawks had five isolation plays in the first quarter and scored a robust eight points, all on jump shots. In the second quarter they scored three points on two isos. In the third they scored three points on five isos. And in the final period, they scored seven points on eight isos.

In all, the Hawks scored 22 points on on 20 isolation plays in Game 4, with all but four of those points by way of jumper. I’m guessing the TNT talkers weren’t ripping the Hawks for shooting too many Js when they had it rolling early.

The problem isn’t that the Hawks can’t score that way but, as Al points out, they still don’t seem to be able to grasp that when that way is not working and then find another way (though J.J. getting to the basket and to the free-throw line in the fourth quarter was a positive step).

“The last couple games then third-quarter shot selection has been a problem,” L.D. said. “Not being patient enough in moving the basketball. When we do move the ball and have been patient we’ve gotten good things out of it. When we start pounding the ball and we start playing a little one-on-one it gets a little stagnant.

“We watch film every day and point these things out. You hope that, particularly in the playoffs, these guys can see where they do get stagnant and they can say, ‘OK, here is what we need to do here, here is what we need to do there,’ because we have shown in this series when we do move the basketball we become tougher to defend. But when we start standing around and pounding the ball and start settling for 3-point shots, we become easy to defend.”

L.D. knows it, the players know it, you know it, I know it . . . hell, anyone who pays attention to the Hawks knows it. And now the national talkers know it, too, since they are watching the Hawks.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

244 comments Add your comment

ag

April 25th, 2011
4:43 pm

i_am_soulstar

April 25th, 2011
4:43 pm

JD2

April 25th, 2011
4:45 pm

LionHearted

April 25th, 2011
4:52 pm

Josh has the worst shot selection

Booo!

April 25th, 2011
4:52 pm

Booo!

April 25th, 2011
4:53 pm

BOOM

April 25th, 2011
4:55 pm

Wouldn’t be surprised to see this team give the bulls a run in the second round, but then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t make it to the second round.

shawn

April 25th, 2011
4:58 pm

They looked good. I want Josh to attack, not shoot those 3’s, drive to the hole my high flying friend

Slimjr

April 25th, 2011
5:01 pm

9th!!!! chicken Dinner!!!!!

@DanWeiner

April 25th, 2011
5:01 pm

Regardless of how far this team goes (lets be real, it’s no further than the next round and they could still choke this series away) I cannot wait for the Josh Smith era to end. This team would be much better off with a 3/4 man who plays around the rim, rebounds and tries to put back shots rather than kill the team with continued stupid mistakes.

ComeOnMan

April 25th, 2011
5:02 pm

I believe Hubie Brown said best. The Hawks are the most athletic team in the league. If they just attacked the basket, that would bring more trips to the foul line and probably keep Howard on the bench. It’s that simple!! Does anybody remeber the last time we saw a alley oop tossed up from the PG position. Bibby was great at this, we need to see more of those.

And will somebody please tell LD to play Teague and Wilkins!!

ComeOnMan

April 25th, 2011
5:03 pm

Oh yeah, Josh quit shooting jumpers and play down low.. GEEZ!! He starting to remind me of Antoine Walker.

Slimjr

April 25th, 2011
5:03 pm

josh is just hyper with the rock, or he stands at the 3pt line on the strong side callin for the rock and driving us nuts…Love how Hinrich ignores him now out there….Awesome…

Slimjr

April 25th, 2011
5:04 pm

free teague…………………………………………………….

Slimjr

April 25th, 2011
5:05 pm

Josh on offense looks like a pickup game

@DanWeiner

April 25th, 2011
5:06 pm

Playing Teague would be a catastrophe because LD thought it was more important to watch the regulars not give a flip about the regular season than allow a young PG to develop…

ComeOnMan

April 25th, 2011
5:08 pm

I think we could at least use Teague’s speed and quickness. He just need to be banned from shooting that floater until he has more time to work with JJ.

drmaryb (*_-)

April 25th, 2011
5:10 pm

Drew interview @ 515 pm on 680 The Fan!

Gamer

April 25th, 2011
5:11 pm

With these stats on horrible jumpshots selections and the Hawks are still leading the series 3-1,,,encouraging..

The two man pick and roll with J.J. and Jamal Crawford in crunch-time is very impressive and difficult to defend..especially when they are willing to make passes to slashing teammates in Horford or J-Smoove…

WHILE WE ENJOYED WATCHING KENNY SMITH AND CHARLES BARKLEY IN THEIR HEYDAY PLAY….LET’S FLASHBACK TO THEIR FOIL PLAYS…

Most of us NBA watchers remember Kenny Smith jacking terrible shots in postseason play. Fortunately he had HAKEEM THE DREAM TO BAIL HIM OUT!!!!

CHARLES BARKLEY HAD ALL KIND OF EXCUSES FOR NOT WINNING A NBA CHAMPIONSHIP….ALTHOUGH HE PLAYED WITH ALL-STARS PLAYERS IN KEVIN JOHNSON, DAN MARJELE,,,CHRIS CHAMBERS…BUT BARKLEY GOT EXCUSES,,PLEASE MAN!!

Rev in Tampa

April 25th, 2011
5:11 pm

From the last blog –

The Magic Blog has a poll up asking if the Magic can overcome a 3-1 deficit. Would it be too evil for us to visit their site and skew their results and demoralize their fans?

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2011/04/what-are-the-chances-orlando-magic-come-back-from-3-1-deficit.html

Astro Joe

April 25th, 2011
5:14 pm

OK, maybe I missed some game time here and there, because I’m not seeing anything different about Josh’s shot selection. Is it that folk weren’t paying attention previously or did I miss one fo those one-foot-inside-the-3-point-line barrages at some point in the series?

Astro Joe

April 25th, 2011
5:15 pm

Rev in Tampa… “love thy neighbor”, except in Orlando. :twisted:

drmaryb (*_-)

April 25th, 2011
5:17 pm

Problem is Teague is a shoot first guy. His passes are all turns.
He is not a deft passer, he is not a PG he is a SG. We already got
2 accomplished SG’s + Kirk (a combo guard)

Jamal led the team with 6 assists.

The play offs is not developmental minutes for Teague.
He needs to come back next year with a jump shot and handles along with court vision. That is a tall order on a play off team.

He needs to use his off season and develop or should have stayed in school if playing time was so important to him. Sorry fans.

Slimjr

April 25th, 2011
5:17 pm

Larrys on now 680 the fan…Thx drmaryb..i was tuned into 91.9 wclk…the soul of Jazz….sweet….

Gamer

April 25th, 2011
5:18 pm

OH YEAH, HE PLAYED WITH HAKEEM THE DREAM AND CLYDE THE GLIDE DREXLER BUT WAS ELIMINATED BY UTAH JAZZ’ MALONE AND STOCKTON….

CHARLES(ROUND MOUND)BARKLEY, YOU HAD YOUR CHANCES TO WIN ONE CHAMPIONSHIP…..

JeJe

April 25th, 2011
5:24 pm

Good article.

ATTACK THE BASKET. JOE WAS DAMN EFFECTIVE GETTING IN THE LANE LATE IN THE GAME.

ATTACK THE HOOP

STOP GOING FOR HOME RUNS

doc

April 25th, 2011
5:25 pm

come on man, what century was that? bibby rarely had the ball in his hands, now how in the dickens could he be doing it that much? ask jj or jamal to do it. yes, they try but i really think josh’s bum leg is what is holding back his high wire act as he has to make sure he has a safe landing whereas he used to throw fate to the wind as he soared. right now, i think that wold only play literally right into dwight’s hands dont you think?

doc

April 25th, 2011
5:26 pm

yeah astro, we can always say the “dev in tampa” made me do it. heh heh

KevinM

April 25th, 2011
5:29 pm

“The Hawks are who we thought they were!”

“The Magic are who we thought they were!”

Any more surprises with this series? Probably not…..J-Rich gets his slot back and we know how to react to that.

The only chance the Magic has now is to totally shut down Joe. Not gonna happen for long though.

And LD apparently has enough bodies to compensate for our weakness in the middle. Did anyone see Marvin the past 2 games?

If I was SVG, Turk would be picking needles out of his arse for Game 5.
That guy has brought nothing to this series.

bird

April 25th, 2011
5:29 pm

During the TNT halftime show, the TNT cast were blasting the Hawks for different things and it got on my nerves so bad, I had to tweet Chris Webber and say ” Dang CWebb, yall couldn’t find nothing positive to say about the Hawks at the half?” Of course I got no response, but I had to get it off my chest. Any other team that’s leading at the Half will get some positive feedback from the TNT crew, but there was no love for the Hawks, only negative feedback on Kenny’s big screen.

KevinM

April 25th, 2011
5:30 pm

MC, so what you’re saying is we get 25% of our points in the iso….Does that count the foul shots we make?

JeJe

April 25th, 2011
5:32 pm

Slimjr

April 25th, 2011
5:32 pm

to be fair Kenny got on Orlando too with his pictures…..

Wabe

April 25th, 2011
5:33 pm

speaking of alley hoops…

i haven’t seen the hawks run that play where josh runs from the opposite wing to the block acting like he’s gonna get the ball to back his guy down, but then make a turnaround move on his guy and catch the lob from a gaurd.

worked rather successfully whenever we executed it. we used to run that rather frequently. now we hardly ever see it. don’t think its too much to ask jj or jamal to throw that lob.

JeJe

April 25th, 2011
5:38 pm

northcyde from previous blog,

Great points about how it’s Playoff ball and Dwight hogs the lane, but…..

Why are we NOT TRYING TO FACILITATE the offense by running LD’s “Motion Offense?”

Surely that would bring some easier baskets for us rather than just SETTLING for jumpshots. I don’t mind taking jumpshots as long as they’re rhythm shots. But everything we’re taking is a damn iso shot.

Also, if we play CHI in Rd 2 (and any team for that matter), why would we not expect the same ish we’re doing now? Noah is a long dude (no homo). Hell, Ilgauskas and Bosh or Jermaine + KG would cause us to avoid the paint. We need to run some damn plays and facilitate it a bit if you ask me

ag

April 25th, 2011
5:38 pm

Interesting that on the 4 letter network highlights of the game were in the last 30 minutes. No highlight of the beautiful behind the back pass. Even the big shot by Jamal Friday, not one of the lead games.

I have been one of Woody-Lite’s harshest critics, but I will say he is doing a much better job with his subs pattern. I will give him credit. I am still very disappointed that JT cannot earn any time off the bench.

Again, if we win this series, is he going to continue to start Marvin? If JT is such of an liability, what is Marvin? His playoff numbers are anemic and he gives us almost nothing. It will be silly to play Twin or other centers because they give us nothing as well.
I hope he will continue to make wise decisions and adjustments.
START JEFF TEAGUE
FIRE WOODY-LITE

JeJe

April 25th, 2011
5:39 pm

“Either the Hawks will make fools out of these TNT analysts or the TNT analysts will make fools out of these Hawks.

We Shall See

I remember when Barkley said last year that CP3 was on the decline and not the best PG anymore right to CP3’s face during an interview. While he glorifies CP3 now, somebody needs to call him out and remind him of that BS statement he made. At least C. Webber had the balls to apologize for earlier negative CP3 comments today as he often follows and drinks Barkley/Kenny’s bias Kool-Aid. Barkley needs to follow-up also with an apology to CP3. All Barkley and Kenny do is sit on their fat azzs and talk positive about the fan favorite teams, Lakers and Boston. Why aren’t these clowns bashing the lowly Knicks for getting swept? Oh I forgot; New Yorker Kenny wouldn’t dare do that to his hometown team. And what about their beloved Bulls who’s struggling mightily with the Pacer, where is the disapproval? If the Hawks were in the bulls shoes now, these clowns would be dogging them out badly.

It’s amazing that TNT would pay these guys to play odds and favorites and blow hot air about they seem to know little about. These so-called “experts” are more network cheerleaders and should get booed every time they leave the TNT studio here in ATL”

LOL!

JeJe

April 25th, 2011
5:42 pm

Round 2, you activate Damien

Play Powell or Etan whenever Taj Gibson gets in the game.

If we get down 2-0, I’d try Teague Hinrich and Joe as the 1, 2, and 3.

I’m just worried when a series is 0-0 the underdog may feel a loss is okay because it’s so early.

Let’s finish off Orlando first

JeJe

April 25th, 2011
5:43 pm

I wonder if ASG hopes we lose tomorrow so they can generate game 6 revenue at home.
*SMH*

Rev in Tampa

April 25th, 2011
5:45 pm

doc,

I was feeling sheepishly guilty about voting on the Sentinel blog and spreading rumors that Dwight is house-hunting in Atlanta, but directing Slimjr and JeJe to their site really crossed the line into devilish territory.

Publix

April 25th, 2011
5:45 pm

I am completely against retaining JJ, because he is not a leader or a number one player on a team, but at this point of time I will take him over Josh Smit any DAY!

JOSH SMITH, you are nothing but an overpaid cry BABY!!! You don’t act like someone who grew up in a tough area of ATL. You are poison to the team and far away from a leader. Your shot selection is horrible and until you realize that your job is to get rebounds, score underneath the basket and block shots, you will NEVER be an ALL STAR.

Next season, trade Smith to Portland for Roy and Pryzbilla.

If possible, trade JJ and Collins to Milwaukee for Bogut.

Starting LIneup:

Hinrich
Crawford
Roy
Horford
Bogut

Bench:

Teague
Wilkins
Williams
Powell
Zaza

I am happy with that.

Publix

April 25th, 2011
5:48 pm

Portland will be happy to have someone who has a lot of potential but needs a good coach and someone who will tell Smith to shut the F… up and play the game.

Milwaukee can be happy to have an All Star who can team up with Salmons, and their PG.

We can be happy because we cut payroll and finally have players, not DIVAS.

KevinM

April 25th, 2011
5:49 pm

Publix, you’re asking for a guy who has no cartilage left in his knees and a guy who is going to retire this year….so what you’re saying is just dump Josh huh?

O'Brien

April 25th, 2011
5:54 pm

Bibby’s playoff so far.

Game 1: 28 mins, 3-9 FG (2-7 from 3), 1 assist
Game 2: 26 mins, 2-7 FG (1-5 from 3), 3 assists
Game 3: 27mins, 1-5 FG (1-3 from 3), 0 assists
Game 4: 14 mins, 0-6 FG (0-4 from 3), 0 assists

Combined: 6-27, including 4-19 from 3, and 4 assists.

Kirk’s playoffs so far:

Game 1: 28 mins, 6-10 FG (1-3 from 3), 3 assists
Game 2: 30 mins, 4-12 FG (1-4 from 3), 1 assist
Game 3: 27mins, 3-7 FG (2-4 from 3), 3 assists
Game 4: 42 mins, 6-11 FG (2-3 from 3), 4 assists.

Combined: 19- 40, including 6-14 from 3, and 11 assists.

But some fans didn’t think Kirk was much of an upgrade. And that’s even taking into account the defense Kirk has played on Jameer…

O'Brien

April 25th, 2011
5:54 pm

And that’s *NOT even taking into account the defense Kirk has played on Jameer…

Westurd

April 25th, 2011
5:57 pm

The Josh Smith era peaked last season. I love him too, but youblog folks know what I’m saying. He will never change his game.

KevinM

April 25th, 2011
5:57 pm

OB, good stuff….you can easily see we aren’t near as limited as we have been in the past….say goodbye to the ‘must-switch’ on defense.

Bibby has turned into a ‘bitty’ player.

honest_abe

April 25th, 2011
6:03 pm

bibby is arguably the worst starting pg in the nba. but everyone here already knows that. its nice not having to watch the hawks play 4 vs 5 on the defensive end. anyone else notice how easy it is for jrue holiday to get his points?

Section 303

April 25th, 2011
6:06 pm

Kenny Smith is my least favorite talking head. He has always struck me as a person who would try to “big time” people. When he is not busy sucking the nuts of the Knicks (remember when he said the Knicks were better than the Hawks in December?), he’s trying to act like he is a living NBA legend. When, really, he was a good player. Not in the class as Charles Barkley or even Chris Webber.

Guys, we all know way, way more about the Hawks than any of these guys (and I love Barkley, by the way). I would rather hear what Michael or Nejah had to say at halftime of Hawks games than Kenny Smith.

skyhawk1

April 25th, 2011
6:08 pm

The best thing about Kirk is that he can defend and won’t even look at J. Smith when he’s walking around the perimeter. TRADE J. Smith, he’s been a non-factor in any of these games, he actually almost lost game 3 and tried again last nigth. I love how soft he’s when he gets caught up guarding . Howard. MAN UP dumbass and stop taking jump shots, you can NOT hit anything.