Atlanta Hawks at Magic Game 2: Dwight Defense and jump shots Part II?

Orlando–Some stats types are dismissive of the Hawks’ Game 1 victory because of the way Hurricane Dwight scattered them and also because of all of those long jump shots they made.

Example: Mike Prada of SBNation.

Apparently, it is possible for an NBA team to allow a player to score 46 points and be universally praised for it. Dwight Howard ran all over the Atlanta Hawks’ single-coverage, but because nobody else on his team decided to do much of anything, the Hawks came away with a Game 1 victory on the road. Howard and Jameer Nelson scored 73 points; everyone else on the Magic scored 20. Howard and Nelson shot 26-41; everyone else shot 8-34. It was a brilliant strategy by the Hawks to make sure that their horrible teammates had horrible games. Let’s praise them for it!

Snark aside, the bottom line is this. Playing Howard straight-up and taking away the three-point shooters is a strategy. Allowing Howard to score 46 points and hope his teammates shoot 8-34 is not. Luckily, the Hawks shot nearly 50 percent from 16-23 feet and made it work. That doesn’t mean it’s a sustainable long-term strategy, but whenever writers are given the chance to question Howard’s worth as a player for being just the 11th player since 1985 to score 45 or more points in a playoff game and lose, they’ll take it.

I like the snark, especially in service of going against the grain to knock down memes. But Prada’s take is pretty cynical. “Nobody else on the team decided to do much of anything” makes it sound as if the Hawks gave Dwight’s teammates lots of opportunities and they just didn’t take them. Similarly “hope his teammates shoot 8-34″ could instead be construed as “try to make sure they do.” Isn’t that the whole point of staying home on them?

And I hope no one is questioning Howard’s worth as a player based on Game 1 (or based on much of anything, really). Heck, if I’m the Magic, I don’t worry about getting anybody else involved if Dwight is hammering the Hawks again. Why give more chances to players who are not going to be as efficient? If Dwight has another monster game, the Magic could simply cut down on their turnovers, get more stops (which Stan Van Gundy acknowledges won’t be easy because of the match ups) and win. If so, the Dwight Defense will have been conquered.

Game 1 is not an indictment of Howard’s worth as a player. Instead, as Rob Mahoney noted at ProBasketballTalk: “This series could stand as an exercise [in] the limits of superstardom, as even a game-changing force like Howard is left a spectator to the shortcomings of his own teammates.”

It’s true the Hawks made a lot of long 2s but put that in the context that they made them at a higher percentage than any team during the regular season. It’s a tad dismissive to chalk it up those Game 1 jumpers to luck when the Hawks have more skilled jump shooters than most teams (and when the Magic don’t have the defenders to consistently challenge those shots). And much to my surprise the Hawks, thanks to J.J., were more than just a jump-shooting team in Game 1.

Van Gundy is a stats guy and also outspoken, so I thought he would shrug off Atlanta’s ability to make the most inefficient shots in basketball over the long run. But he didn’t do so.

“They are efficient with it,” Van Gundy said. “A lot of people don’t know that Al Horford, outside of 10 or 12 feet, he is the highest-percentage shooter in the league. That includes guards and guys like Nowitzki. Now he doesn’t stretch it out to three but he can make those shots. . . . They have a lot of guys who shoot the ball very well from that range. If we can get them down below what they normally do then I think we have a hell of a chance.”

Sounds like Van Gundy isn’t only hoping the Hawks miss those shots but believes the Magic actually have to do something to stop them.

Notes

  • Unlike yesterday, Josh didn’t have ice on his sore elbow prior to shootaround. “It feels better,” he said. “Two days [rest] did good. It feels all right. I still feel [pain] a little bit but I am pretty sure I won’t feel it tonight.” Josh said he would probably wear a padded sleeve tonight.
  • L.D. said he didn’t expect Josh’s injury to limit him much: “When he’s not scoring he has the ability to impact the game. The one thing I’ve talked to him in this series is zeroing in on Turkoglu and not allow him to get into a rhythm. I really believe with the elbow hurt he can still impact the game.”
  • Drew on adjustments for Game 2: “We are going to start the game as we did the last game. I am not going to panic with adjustments until we start getting hurt with things. Sometimes I think the tendency is to start making adjustments when there is no need to. I am not going to do anything out of the ordinary. If you have to make adjustments, do it but not if you don’t have to.”
  • Drew on how the Hawks will react of the Magic run them off jump shots: “If the drive allows us to get to the basket, we will get to the basket. If it allows us to play a mid range game, we will play with that. We are going to allow our instincts to take over. We are not going to predetermine what we are going to do offensively. The one thing we can’t do is shy away from getting to the basket, irregardless of who is down there. We recognize Dwight being a defensive presence in the low block and near the basket but I don’t think that should shy away from getting to the basket.”
  • J.J. on Orlando’s plan to disrupt him more in Game 2: “I’m going to just pick my spots like I did in Game 1. Not be too aggressive, but at the same time be aggressive enough to where I am making plays. We will see. I am sure they are going to come a lot quicker, especially with the double teams. We will see how everything works out.”
  • Josh on expecting the Magic to play with more intensity: “We have to control the tempo of the game because with them having the fans on their side it is going to be pretty hard to win the game. So we have to stay even-keeled when they make a run, don’t get discouraged and fight back and make a run of our own.”
  • Joe on the team’s mindset: “Like I said before Game 1, I think we are all ready and prepared in here. We are all confident and we believe in one another.”
  • AJC wise guy Jeff Schultz weighs in on Van Gundy and Dwight’s takes on Twin’s tactics.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

694 comments Add your comment

Slimjr

April 19th, 2011
5:21 pm

MARVIN FOR DWILL 2013

groncho

April 19th, 2011
5:25 pm

Orlando lost the first game of the first round at home against the Sixers in 2009 playoffs and then went to the NBA finals…
I remember Sixer’s fans being happy and exited after game 1 and game 3 (Philly took a 2-1 lead). Hawks fans, enjoy while it last :)

honest_abe

April 19th, 2011
5:29 pm

nice of you to join us groncho. let me ask you how’s it feel to have a worse gm than the inept rick sund? things will be much brighter down in orlando when dwight ditches you after next year. heh you’ll still have big turk and jrich holding things down. oops almost b squared.

The Truth

April 19th, 2011
5:30 pm

As I was very adamant about signing Shaq last year to help shore-up our weakness in the paint, in hindsight however, I’m so glad we didn’t.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Boston-Celtics-Shaquille-ONeal-out-for-Game-2-041911

Instead of seeking a new deal after Cleveland, he should’ve join AARP. Boston is getting rip-off.

KevinM

April 19th, 2011
5:32 pm

Worldwide, wow! That’s a statement. You do have a 1 game advantage at this point.
I see Orlando coming back and evening things out tonight. As much as it would be nice for the ATL to celebrate, even if we go up 3-0, there is still the doubt that will be here, including from me.

I would like to see them keep the Magic guessing instead of waiting for ORL to make adjustments. But it will be rare to see DH get another 46.
He is going to try and force his teammates to play better to help him. More passing, less shots at the rim. Keep him away from putbacks, and keep him at the foul line. Hack-a-Howard all day, every day.

Josh as the 3 is not the greatest decision, but as long as he doesn’t sling up 4-5 jumpers, we should be okay.

And LD, play JT tonight!

honest_abe

April 19th, 2011
5:49 pm

rod keep convincing yourself of whatever it is you’re trying to prove.

lebron and amare were voted in by fans. kg who only averaged a mere 10 points this year still got voted in by coaches. so there goes your bunk scoring argument. this begs the question why did kg get voted in ahead of josh? or over boozer for that matter? is it just based on respect for what kg has done in the past or is he still considered a better player? if you had the option to take any one of those three for a game which one would you take? josh had a high scoring avg, blocks more shot per game, avg more assists, rebound and steals about the same rate and yet he doesn’t get the nod over kg? that doesn’t make you scratch your head as to the reason why?

talk numbers all you want. shareef abdur rahim put up big numbers. big dog put up a lot of points. basketball skills can’t be defined solely by numbers. josh smith has three big flaws, he’s immature, lackadaisical, and he still doesn’t know or he ignores what it is he does best. which is to be a high energy guy, slasher, rebounder, defender. focus on those things and he’d be a perennial all star, and the hawks would be a much more consistent bunch.

Booo!

April 19th, 2011
6:01 pm

Free The Teague!

Section 303

April 19th, 2011
6:04 pm

Najeh, nice dig at my seats. Subtle. On behalf of all my friends in the 300’s, go F yourself.

northcyde

April 19th, 2011
6:17 pm

LOL @ those TV rating numbers. Sad.

Then again . . all the more to bring in the sideshow known as Shaq, to boos that number. I wonder how much it cost to buy an ad on SportSouth during a Hawks game? Probably can secure one for a few thousand for a 30 second spot.

Johnny Dingo

April 19th, 2011
6:18 pm

I have been a basher of Smoove’s mojo for years. I believed he was a lazy and possessed an extremely low Bball IQ. This year, JSmoove is making waves in his progression as a basketball player, and not simply an athlete playing bball. He has extended his range, which requires WORK. We should be toasting Josh for dropping his Block Shot average from the previous years, listening to the VETS (Twin), coming to the realization that position Defense is more important than your individual Block Shot Line. And while were at this, how much of our perceived “laziness”, came from having the worst defensive point guard in the game, leading the defensive point of attack? The Hinrich effect is not fully integrated.

Rod from College Park

April 19th, 2011
6:31 pm

honest abe,

You never answered the questions. If Josh does not hustle or give effort who on this team does? It’s a simple question. All the other nonsense you posted is irrelevant. If you don’t know what I’m trying to prove, then don’t jump in the conversation that I was having with another blogger. All those things that you think Josh should do are your opinions, and you have your right to them, but saying he is lazy, and does not hustle is not a fair and accurate statement. If you think Al Horford would have gotten voted into the All star game at the forward position, then we really don’t need to continue blogging to each other because you are delusional.

northcyde

April 19th, 2011
6:33 pm

LOL . . is this Section 303? Terrible man . . just terrible.

Booo!

April 19th, 2011
6:37 pm

LOL, the 300’s is my spot! But I have sat in the lower 100’s a time or two. I honeslty perfer the 300’s. Odd I know.

lewis

April 19th, 2011
6:43 pm

nique about to be on nbatv

honest_abe

April 19th, 2011
6:44 pm

my bad sir. i didn’t know someone had to direct a comment at me in order for me to jump in. if you want a private conversation try a thing called email. what say you, rod in college park?

as for our opinions on josh smith. i’ll agree to disagree. josh is lazy and has been called out for it by more than one of his critics. like they say perception is reality. in the of case of his broke jumpshot. its just reality. …… i won’t even get into his ill advised decision making.

51WTGW50

April 19th, 2011
7:06 pm

Maybe the Hawks can give NeNe Leaks a uniform and let her go against Howard in this game. If she can’t stop him with her body and looks, then I bet her mouth will wear him out before the 1st half is finished.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:15 pm

“Najeh, nice dig at my seats. Subtle. On behalf of all my friends in the 300’s, go F yourself.”

LMAO… don’t take it so personally, I sit in those sections all the time when I manage to make it to games. And anyway, I thought you were moving to the 200s next year?

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:18 pm

Hollinger just tweeted this link. Apparently NBA.com has launched their own advanced stats website. Looks like a good site to bookmark for all aspiring kings of research…

51WTGW50

April 19th, 2011
7:20 pm

But he has a DELUXE Apartment in the SKY. Why would he want to move to the basement for Good Times? LOL

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:23 pm

Watching Hawks Live, I finally figured out who Zaza sounds like. Not Rocky, not Borat, but this guy.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:26 pm

Hilton in, Etan out for tonight according to the official Hawks twitter.

Dept. of Unintended Irony

April 19th, 2011
7:28 pm

“I remember Sixer’s fans being happy and exited after game 1 and game 3 (Philly took a 2-1 lead). ”

Of course they exited, they weren’t staying all night at the arena. They went home.

Buddy Grizzard

April 19th, 2011
7:29 pm

We know we won’t see Teague so Jamal must stay on fire from outside to cover his defensive deficiencies.

Ole Hawks Fan

April 19th, 2011
7:31 pm

Not only do the hawks have Woody Lite but now fans are calling Fredi G ………….Bobby Lite…………….LMAO

lewis

April 19th, 2011
7:31 pm

marvin played well in like 5 minutes. were gonna need something from him tonight

bigdave

April 19th, 2011
7:32 pm

LETS GET IT!!!!!

BE SPECIAL..

J.J.M.

April 19th, 2011
7:33 pm

lets hope the jumpshots keep falling tonight

Rod from College Park

April 19th, 2011
7:34 pm

honest abe,

“my bad sir. i didn’t know someone had to direct a comment at me in order for me to jump in. if you want a private conversation try a thing called email. what say you, rod in college park?”

It would apply, if as you said, “you don’t know what I’m trying to prove.” If you read the blog, then you would know what I was trying to prove and why.

Sautee

April 19th, 2011
7:36 pm

Interesting that LD activated Hilton and sat Etan. I guess a foul is a foul is a foul.

glw

April 19th, 2011
7:36 pm

I saw Hilton warming up, I would have preferred them sit maybe Damien tonight. I would want Etan too because of his strength. Hilton is quicker, but no muscle.

lewis

April 19th, 2011
7:37 pm

tonight larry drews jumpshot offense gets exposed

J.J.M.

April 19th, 2011
7:39 pm

so I guess we are forced to listen to nique tonight with nbatv being blocked

cp

April 19th, 2011
7:40 pm

looks like a Nique night. game is blacked out on NBA TV but is on 646 for those with direct tv

Ole Hawks Fan

April 19th, 2011
7:40 pm

All we are saying is GIVE TEAGUE A CHANCE!

J.J.M.

April 19th, 2011
7:42 pm

lmaooo what is marvin doing

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:45 pm

The bank is open!

O'Brien

April 19th, 2011
7:45 pm

I still think Josh Powell should have been deactivated, instead of Etan. We need the extra fouls.

Powell on Dwight was not pretty…

JJ in the scoring book. And look for Turk to be more aggressive

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:46 pm

Smoove attacks on the isolation play rather than settling for the jumper. Good early sign.

cp

April 19th, 2011
7:46 pm

nice move Josh.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:46 pm

Al uses his first foul guarding Brandon Bass in the post. Not a good sign. Save those fouls Big Al.

Brad

April 19th, 2011
7:47 pm

Josh’s elbow being hurt could be a blessing in disguise if he’s not going to shoot jumpers

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:47 pm

Not a big fan of the tenacity closing out on the shooters so far for the Hawks either. The Magic haven’t made them pay yet, but it’s only a matter of time.

bigdave

April 19th, 2011
7:47 pm

defensive 3..

bigdave

April 19th, 2011
7:48 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

April 19th, 2011
7:48 pm

Wow, 2 fouls on Al… that sucks.

Josh Powell in for him instead of Marvin? Not so sure about that. I’d rather slide Smoove to the 4 and bring in Marvin.

J.J.M.

April 19th, 2011
7:48 pm

lol yea the refs want us to lose

O'Brien

April 19th, 2011
7:48 pm

Well then…so much for me thinking Powell should have been deactivated.

I wonder if the Hawks set more moving screens than any other team in the NBA? Or is it because I watch them so much?

Sautee

April 19th, 2011
7:48 pm

Najeh,

Al didn’t listen

bigdave

April 19th, 2011
7:48 pm

bigdave

April 19th, 2011
7:49 pm

L.D. wants Josh on Turk..