Atlanta Hawks at Magic Game 1: Why will it be any different this time?

Orlando–That’s the question, isn’t it?

Unless you believe lots of Twin vs. Dwight is going to make up for 101 points of beat down. . . or Orlando vs. Atlanta without VC, Rashard and Gortat is that much worse than Orlando vs. Atlanta with J-Rich and Arenas . . . or L.D. is going to get something out of these players that Woody couldn’t . . . then there has to be something else to explain how the Hawks can win this series.

I’ve said I think the problem with the Hawks isn’t that they are good enough but just aren’t utilized properly or give in too easily, but rather they give in because they realize they are just not good enough. But I could be wrong about that. Maybe “something else” for the Hawks has nothing to do with match ups or lineups or shot selection or L.D.

Perhaps that’s why Hawks coaches included a couple appeals to players’ character among the usual keys on the pregame board:

“Good or bad, go to the next play.”

“Show no weakness or frustration.”

So I asked the Hawks: After what the Magic did to them last spring, why do they believe this series is going to be any different?

  • “The biggest lesson is experience,” J.J. said. “We went through that the previous two years. We definitely know what to expect in this first-round series.”
  • “I’m not really giving excuses, but there were a lot of guys not healthy last year,” Josh said. “There are no excuses this year. Guys have got to go out there and match their physicality. I think for those four games they controlled the whole game. They were may more physical than us, and it showed. We have got to be able to come out in this series and show these guys we are ready to play.”
  • “Our first game down there in the regular season we went there with the mindset, ‘Let’s close the book on last year,’” Twin said.
  • “I think we erased that during the regular season,” L.D. said. “With the playoffs being here now, I think our guys have responded to how they played last year vs. Orlando. I think they feel that they are a very capable ball club. Regardless of what happens tonight I don’t think it is going to shatter or waiver our confidence. I think our guys have gotten over the hump as far as what happened to us last year.”
  • “It’s a different year,” Zaza said. “They have got different players. We made some changes. Last year is history; this year is what we are dealing with. We are controlling ‘right now.’ We can’t do anything about last year.”
  • “It’s completely different,” Al said. “It’s a new year. We are playing a new lineup against them this season and that’s why we feel so confident going into the series.”
  • “I don’t even remember what happened last year,” Jamal said. “It’s a totally different year, a totally different team.”

Notes

  • Pape Sy, Magnum Rolle and Hilton Armstrong are inactive.
  • The word from Orlando media types is Dwight is irritated by the “Twin as Dwight stopper” storyline. “It is what it is,” Dwight said. “None of these people who write these articles are out there playing. They don’t know. We are the ones playing.”
  • Twin, meanwhile, says he’s been kind of amused by the sudden interest in what he has to say: “I haven’t seen this much attention since I was playing in the Finals.”
  • The tenor of the stories about Twin suggest that people are amazed that he can have any success against Dwight but he notes that he does have a track record: “I’ve had a lot of experience guarding Shaq, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, going up against great post players in the playoffs. This is just another name on the list.”
  • L.D. admits that the notion of defending Dwight straight-up probably isn’t sustainable over a seven-game series. “I think it’s important that you do give this team different looks in how you are going to defend Dwight, how you are going to defend any other actions you have to defend. No one can defend Dwight head’s up through a seven-game series. He’s just too big and too strong. I think overall your team concepts, you have to mix them up.”
  • Judging by L.D.’s comments over the last couple days, Jamal, Zaza and Marvin are the only bench guys who definitely are part of the rotation. The other bigs are available for Dwight if necessary. As for Teague, Drew said: “We will see how it goes. I hope I can get him in there because he did a good job in the last few games.”
  • Teague, comparing this year to last year’s playoffs: “There’s a possibility I actually might get in the game this year. Other than that, [I] just prepare for it like any other game.”
  • Joe on if playing less minutes and coasting over the final four games will benefit the Hawks: “That’s the plan. Hopefully it does. Regardless of that, I am ready to play. I just think it’s time that we answer the challenge. We all should be ready.”
  • J.J. Redick is active after missing the final 17 games with an abdominal injury. “We will play him like we normally would off the bench,” Stan Van Gundy said. “When J-Rich goes out, he will go in. How much he plays, he is going to have to figure that out and so am I and figure out where his conditioning is at.”
  • As you might expect, the Magic don’t put much stock in the regular-season series: “It’s all different now,” Van Gundy said. “It doesn’t really matter.” Said Dwight: “The regular season is over with. It’s a new ball game.”
  • Van Gundy does acknowledge that the Twin lineup has altered things: “They have played us bigger. They’ve defended us really well. We’ve got to attack them better and different. “
  • AJC wise guy Jeff Schultz is chatting during the game.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

838 comments Add your comment

J from the A

April 16th, 2011
8:23 pm

Good all around game so far for the Hawks!

Offensive execution has looked good so far.

Good team D! Shutting down everyone (but Dwight)!

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:24 pm

lmao@Brandon

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:24 pm

The rest of the Magic are 6/23. That is outstanding team D by the Hawks.

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:25 pm

somebody call up alley boy so he can jump howard like he did yung LA

Rev in Tampa

April 16th, 2011
8:26 pm

I really wanted Indy to steal that game from the Bulls. Chicago will come out loaded for bear next game.

northcyde

April 16th, 2011
8:27 pm

9 assists on 22 made baskets. Not the offense that Drew envisioned for this team. But with the guards shooting like they are off the dribble, you simply have to go with what works at times.

James on Pharr Rd

April 16th, 2011
8:27 pm

The more you watch the Magic, the more you notice a little bit of Hawk in em. Besides the Dwight option( nuclear) they dont have good sets on offense and can look really suspect when shots dont drop. “I have them in the Finals(ooouch)”

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:28 pm

Where is northcyde? Your boy Joe just played about as good a half as he has played all season. The stats may not jump off the page but considering the quality of opponent and the way he played, he did exactly what the Hawks need him to do.

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:29 pm

bulls depended on rose in game one magic depending on howard now. not sue how far that will get you in the playoffs

Brad

April 16th, 2011
8:29 pm

lol james you might want to rethink your predictions

Brandon

April 16th, 2011
8:31 pm

“But with the guards shooting like they are off the dribble, you simply have to go with what works at times.”

What happens when those shots stop falling though? Will we force feed Joe and then blame him for the loss, if it happens? Or, will we see some actual team basketball and/or utilize Josh or Al in the post more? I’m guessing we will use the first option, but desperately hoping that we don’t. It’s alright to go to Joe when he has it going and you need a basket, but when you start forcefeeding him and ball and he gets double/triple-teamed and makes slow decisions with the ball, we always have trouble. This team, and the coaching staff to a greater extent, needs to learn how to handle those situations.

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:31 pm

oh no I cant do investing

Sautee

April 16th, 2011
8:32 pm

sleepy,

They only had 4 offensive boards and Dwight had 2. He averages 4 a game, so you have to think that will happen. I’d like to get EVERY defensive board, but that’s not realistic, now is it?

EmirS.

April 16th, 2011
8:32 pm

CHI over IND in 4
MIA over PHI in 5
NYK over BOS in 7
ATL over ORL in 6

CHI over ATL in 5
MIA over NYK in 7

MIA over CHI in 4

SAS over MEM in 4
LAL over NOH in 7
DAL over POR in 6
OKC over DEN in 4

OKC over SAS in 5
LAL over DAL in 4

LAL over OKC in 7

Finals: LAL over MIA in 6

I dont think Chicago can get past Miami after having to go thru the Pacers and Hawks guards. Like ESPN said, if Rose has to put the team on his shoulders every single game in the playoffs…it would be just a matter of time before he got burnt.

My Finals is Lakers vs Heat. For one reason: Phil Jacksons final coaching gig. That combined with Kobe’s desire for a second 3-peat should overwhelm the Heat.

i think the most intresting match up should be the New York vs Boston. I plan on watching that one.

Melvin

April 16th, 2011
8:32 pm

I almost hate to break for halftime b/c we have played terrible in the 2nd half in many games this season…

northcyde

April 16th, 2011
8:33 pm

I’m right here. No sense cheerleading too much for JJ. This is what he has to do in order for us to get over the Magic. He’s playing very smart basketball on both ends of the court.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:33 pm

“It’s alright to go to Joe when he has it going and you need a basket, but when you start forcefeeding him and ball and he gets double/triple-teamed and makes slow decisions with the ball, we always have trouble. ”

This is true. With Joe, it’s not about the number of shots he gets as much as how he gets them. Aggressive Joe showed up in the first half, making decisive moves with the ball and decisive passes when he saw the double team coming. As long as Aggressive Joe is on the court and Passive Joe is nowhere to be found, I have no problem with feeding Joe. I don’t know the exact numbers, but from my recollection at least three of Joe’s five first half buckets came within 10 feet of the hoop.

O'Brien

April 16th, 2011
8:33 pm

Brandon,

When those shots stop falling (and I think they will), LD and the Hawks will have to adjust. but until then, if it aint broke, dont fix it.

The problem is do they have the mental strength to adjust when they stop falling? Good question…

terrell

April 16th, 2011
8:33 pm

Come on guys, keep it up.

O'Brien

April 16th, 2011
8:36 pm

What kind of adjustment will SVG make at halftime?

I think both SVG and LD’s job are on the line.

If the Hawks win this series, i think Stan Van Gundy will be fired, and Dwight will probably want out of Orlando…

If Hawks lose this series, then it is a major step back for them. 9 less wins, and a first round loss should get LD fired.

Come on Hawks. Win this series for Uncle Larry…

Sleepy

April 16th, 2011
8:36 pm

Sautee I know we cant get them all but those two boards Dwight got were simply because someone forgot to put a body on him.

Against this team each Hawk on the floor must have the mentality that when the shot goes up if I dont put a body on someone Dwight will get the rebound . The better we rebound the more pressure it puts on Dwight and the more likely he is gonna turn it over or pick up ticky tack fouls .

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:36 pm

wonder what J’s joe is rocking tonight

Rev in Tampa

April 16th, 2011
8:37 pm

Orlando starters points:

Nelson – 1
JRich – 2
Bass – 0
Turk – 4
D12 – 31

superiorblogman

April 16th, 2011
8:37 pm

We usual lose these types of games because the jumpers stop falling. Except Teague we are a jumpshooting team

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:38 pm

wow she would be wearing blue

northcyde

April 16th, 2011
8:38 pm

LOL @ our Shot Chart

We’re either getting everything at the rim, or from about 18 feet out. I can’t ever remember this team hitting that many midrange jumpers.

LOL @ Van Gundy saying that the Hawks are breaking us down one on one. Yeah ISO.

Keep it going JJ.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:38 pm

Another floater for Joe on another decisive move. He is really locked in right now.

bigdave

April 16th, 2011
8:39 pm

there u go Al.. @ least prevent the And1

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:39 pm

here we go again refs calling fouls every time howard touches the ball

Melvin

April 16th, 2011
8:39 pm

Here we go with a foul on Collins in the first 30secs in the half..

northcyde

April 16th, 2011
8:40 pm

First bad play from JJ all day.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:40 pm

“LOL @ Van Gundy saying that the Hawks are breaking us down one on one. Yeah ISO.”

The Hawks have been setting screens for these guards and the guards have come off them quickly to go inside instead of settling for jumpers. That’s a huge departure from what iso usually looks like for this team.

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:40 pm

joe gotta rid the ball faster

J.J.M

April 16th, 2011
8:41 pm

hawks played better with josh on the bench…

O'Brien

April 16th, 2011
8:41 pm

Oh Oh. Just as we were giving Hinrich props…5 quick points for Jameer

bigdave

April 16th, 2011
8:41 pm

yea Josh.. way to go bump him on the way by.. Jameer getting dirty..

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:42 pm

Smoove hits his first jumper.

northcyde

April 16th, 2011
8:42 pm

bigdave

April 16th, 2011
8:42 pm

then knock down your jumper.. get on your game..

NUNNA!!

April 16th, 2011
8:42 pm

How many times have we seen a great 1st half and a meltdown in da 2nd half???

I hope not tonite

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:42 pm

LOL @ Collins… I don’t think that’s why he’s on the floor.

northcyde

April 16th, 2011
8:43 pm

Great rip by Smith.

J.J.M.

April 16th, 2011
8:43 pm

dirtyyyyyy play all that flopping by howard

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:43 pm

More great position D by Collins allowing a teammate to come in and get the steal. This time it’s Smoove.

Rev in Tampa

April 16th, 2011
8:43 pm

last trip down dwight was killing collins but no call

bigdave

April 16th, 2011
8:44 pm

Rev in Tampa

April 16th, 2011
8:44 pm

get it going Josh!

Najeh Davenpoop

April 16th, 2011
8:44 pm

Hawks have not closed out on the Magic shooters as well to start this quarter as they did in the first half. Magic haven’t really taken advantage yet. But the last thing the Hawks want is for people like Turkoglu to get hot.

Smoove cuts through the lane without the ball and Joe makes the decisive pass to set him up with the and-1. Yeah motion!

bigdave

April 16th, 2011
8:44 pm

Joe making the play!

northcyde

April 16th, 2011
8:45 pm

Tell it Hubie . . . that’s a part of Joe JOhnson’s game that nobody gives him credit for.

Good cut to the hole by Smith to make that available.