Heat at Atlanta Hawks: Williams injury shows risks of gearing up for meaningless games

Marvin turned an ankle at Washington and may not play tonight. I remember Marvin limping a bit during the game but he ended up playing 29 minutes and I don’t recall him getting treatment after the game.

In any event, Marvin’s injury provides a (admittedly after-the-fact) counterargument to the notion that the Hawks need to use these games to get ready for the playoffs.

“You are hoping your team looks at is an opportunity to gain momentum going into the playoffs,” L.D. said. “Looking at the last couple games, that’s not the case and I am concerned about that. But at the same time, keeping things in their proper perspective, we want to try to get to the playoffs as healthy as we can. What happened to Marvin the other night is the one thing you don’t want to happen where you get a starter or key guy hurt in a game that has very little meaning.”

Josh will return to the lineup tonight. L.D. said Josh will play limited minutes with the main goal of getting him some work after sitting out a week.

“I feel good,” Smoove said. “The swelling is down. I am going to play tonight and see how it feels in game action.”

Even after the injury to Marvin, J.J. still says the starters need minutes before the playoffs.

“It’s just a gamble you have to take when you are trying to get some chemistry and rhythm,” he said. “It happens, man. Guys are going to get injuries and nick nacks. You hope it doesn’t happen but it does.”

Better effort?

The Hawks mailed it in against a marginal playoff team and a lottery squad that played three D-League refugees. Maybe they will find some inspiration in playing the Heat.

“Especially the way they beat us here last time,” Jamal said. “They have a lot of momentum [after] beating Boston. We feel like we can get the momentum going towards the playoffs. I think we will be fired up for tonight.”

J.J. said he’s not sure about that.

“I have no clue. I don’t know,” he said. “The last few games we have played have been unacceptable. With us being back home maybe we will come out and play better.”

The Heat are trying to finish a game ahead of Boston to earn the No. 2 seed in the East. The Hawks could help prevent that, which would have no effect on their path through the playoffs but it would be something.

“No question there’s that,” Al said. “But at the same time we have to come out and play for ourselves.”

Iso-Kirk?

At Washington on Saturday there were several possessions in which Hinrich dribbled to every area of the half court while the rest of the Hawks stood and watched. He would make a move, dribble through traffic and then look up to see his teammates still standing.

It was unclear exactly what Hinrich and Hawks were trying to accomplish.

“There’s times when offensively we get a little stagnant,” Hinrich said. “It’s just one of those things we have to guard [against]. I think it all comes back to defense. If we are getting stops, the game is so much easier for us. We have got so many energy who can make plays and I think that is where our strength lies. So we will focus on that.”

Is Hinrich still learning his teammates’ games?

“I feel more and more comfortable every day,” he said. “I’ve very excited about what lies ahead of us. I think we still can be a very dangerous team and I think every guy in here believes that.”

Jameer takes a jab

It seems there is some buzz in Hawks fandom about Jameer’s comment to D-Rose that he would “catch you in the second round.” AJC wise guy Jeff Schultz asks: “Is it wise for the starting point guard on the Orlando Magic to just be assuming victory over Atlanta in the first round?”

I guess the Hawks can put that quote on the bulletin board. Come to think of it, they don’t really have a bulletin board as far as I can tell. Does any team, really? I see lots of grease boards, no bulletin boards.

Anyway, the Hawks do have a bunch of signs with inspirational slogans hanging in the locker room and hallways. Those didn’t inspire them to avoid taking a historic L from the Magic last spring or three 30-point beat downs at home and one to the Wiz this season so excuse me if I’m skeptical that something like Jameer’s quotes will have much effect on this group.

Al honored

The league awarded Al the the NBA Cares Community Assist Award for March after he donated $23,000 to Direct Relief International to assist Japan and the Pacific region following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami. I ran into a Japanese reporter friend while I was in Houston and he says the people in his country are very appreciative of Al’s gesture.

Hawks sign Rolle

The Hawks today signed forward Magnum Rolle.

The Thunder selected Rolle, 25, with the 51st overall pick in the NBA draft before trading his rights to Indiana. The 6-foot-11 forward was in training camp with the Pacers last summer but ended up playing 15 games this season with the Maine Red Claws of the D-League.

Rolle, a native of the Bahamas, played at LSU and Louisiana Tech.

Atlanta now has 15 players on its roster.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

487 comments Add your comment

O'Brien

April 11th, 2011
2:57 pm

Blame it on LD. And he’s also lucky the Jason Collins injury isnt that serious, because Twin might hold the key to Dwight Howard.

Rufus1

April 11th, 2011
3:02 pm

I hope he starts Teague instead of Collins.

Slimjr

April 11th, 2011
3:03 pm

Marvin wont be missed! South Beach by 35 in the 3rd qtr….

Slimjr

April 11th, 2011
3:04 pm

Hawks will mail in next 6 games anyway…..

Hire Mike Brown

April 11th, 2011
3:04 pm

Hire Mike Brown the next day after the Hawks are out the Playoffs!

O'Brien

April 11th, 2011
3:06 pm

From the previous blog;

Slimjr,

Hawks Road games in the post season under Woody;

2008;

Game 1 at Boston: Lost by 23, Game 2 at Boston: Lost by 19
Game 5 at Boston: Lost by 25, Game 6 at Boston: Lost by 34

Average margin of defeat: 25.3 ppg.

If I was Rick, I would not have given Woody an extension (despite the Hawks winning 3 games against Boston in ATL). It was inexcusable to lose on the road by that margin. And what do you know? History repeated itself.

2009 Postseason (on the road):

Game 3 at Miami: Lost by 29, Game 4 at Miami: Won by 10
Game 6 at Miami: Lost by 26

Game 1 at Cleveland: Lost by 27
Game 2 at Cleveland: Lost by 20

2010 Postseason (on the road):

Game 3 at Bucks: Lost by 18, Game 4 at Bucks: Lost by 7
Game 6 at Bucks: Won by 14

Game 1 at Orlando: Lost by 43, Game 2 at Cleveland: Lost by 14

JeJe

April 11th, 2011
3:06 pm

LOL @ JJ saying we’ll be better at home.

Notice again how he never says “I”

It’s always we

Hire Mike Brown

April 11th, 2011
3:07 pm

Then Trade Joe Johnson, Kirk Hinrich, and Marvin Williams to the Hornets for Chris Paul and David West! Resign Jamal Crawford and let him Start with Josh and Al. That is our five next year!

Section 303

April 11th, 2011
3:09 pm

Michael, I understand what you’re saying. These last games have no meaning. Staying healthy is key. I get it. I think everyone gets that.

The problem with the Hawks is that they have totally shut themselves down. That’s fine for teams like the Lakers or Celtics, but not the Hawks. No way they can handle that. Once this team checks out, it checks out. I don’t buy for a second that they can just flip a magic switch and suddenly be playing with intense, playoff type effort.

I think Drew should keep his foot on these guys. They’ve checked out of enough games this year. Do they really deserve a break? I think not. They deserve a kick in the balls, but not a break. Make ‘em play the regular minutes. No one on the team has earned a breather.

Section 303

April 11th, 2011
3:12 pm

By the way…how many on here are going tonight? I’ll be there (I think, deep down, I must hate myself). Expecting the stands to be either half empty or full of the Heat loyal I-started-following-this-team-in-June fans.

Hire Mike Brown

April 11th, 2011
3:13 pm

I will be there too with a “Trade Joe Johnson Sign!!!!!”

Michael Cunningham

April 11th, 2011
3:13 pm

@ Sec 303: “Michael, I understand what you’re saying. These last games have no meaning. Staying healthy is key. I get it. I think everyone gets that.

The problem with the Hawks is that they have totally shut themselves down. That’s fine for teams like the Lakers or Celtics, but not the Hawks. No way they can handle that. Once this team checks out, it checks out. I don’t buy for a second that they can just flip a magic switch and suddenly be playing with intense, playoff type effort.”

actually, i tend to agree. just pointing out that a risk you take with that approach is an injury so got to live with that if it happens. there is no easy answer to the dilemma in my view.

JeJe

April 11th, 2011
3:15 pm

#Hawks sign F Magnum Rolle

Section 303

April 11th, 2011
3:16 pm

Hire Mike Brown, was that sign leftover from last year’s Game 4 with Orlando?

doc

April 11th, 2011
3:17 pm

what would be worse and more revealing is to pull back to conserve and “be ready” only to get blown out in 5. whatever it is they all need to get on the same page as to how to approach these games. if it is to play scrubs then play them and tell them to win or not. we seem to go half way or be very ambiguous into how it is being handled.

Leffty

April 11th, 2011
3:17 pm

Even with the recent four-game slide, the Hawks will still hold onto the #5 seed in the East and play the Magic in the first round. The hawks have lots of experience playing together, and they beat the Magic three out of four times this season. Who is going to take that first round series? Check out the preview here:

http://sportstatistics.blogspot.com/2011/04/nba-playoff-preview-round-1-4-orlando.html

white cocoa

April 11th, 2011
3:17 pm

good job Al! (would like to hear about more pro athletes doing stuff like that.)

Section 303

April 11th, 2011
3:18 pm

Michael, I agree. You live with what happens. But, I think the answer is easy. Make these guys play. And, while Drew is at it, he should tell them why he’s making them play. They simply haven’t earned the break.

But, really, does it matter? No way….and I mean NO WAY the Hawks get out of the first round.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 11th, 2011
3:18 pm

From the previous blog…

“The combined number of losses for Eastern Conference teams at the end of last year’s regular season was 636. This season, the combined losses for teams in the East is 637, and the season isn’t quite over yet. Does anyone still want to argue that the conference is stronger this year?”

This is irrelevant. The conference is stronger by virtue of the top teams having improved. Yes, your stat holds true because the bottom teams correspondingly are worse this year than last year, but from the point of view of a playoff team, the bottom teams going from bad to worse is irrelevant since they were easy wins anyway.

Put it this way — a playoff team is going to beat this year’s 21 win Wizards team just as easily as they beat last year’s 26 win Wizards team. It’s going to show up the same way in the standings. Are they going to beat this year’s 60 win Chicago team as easily as they beat last year’s 41 win Chicago team? No way. Are the Magic and Hawks, who each play the Heat four times, as likely to do as well against them this year as they did last year? No way.

Comparing last year’s standings to this year, the Cavs, Hawks, Bucks, Raptors, and Bobcats have gotten significantly worse. The other 10 teams in the conference are either improved or at roughly the same level.

And anyway, there is a qualitative aspect to this that goes beyond simply looking at records. I think it’s fair to say, for example, that this year’s Knicks team — on pace for about 43 wins — is a much more dangerous playoff opponent than last year’s Bobcats team, which won 44 games.

Hire Mike Brown

April 11th, 2011
3:19 pm

LOL No, that was not me… But I do plan to keep it until they trade him or his contract expires!

ken

April 11th, 2011
3:22 pm

joe needs to stop talkin bout needing to get chemestry if u dont have it after playing the whole season n years together u wont ever have it or get it in the last 2 games of the season

Rufus1

April 11th, 2011
3:22 pm

Beat the Magic…the only thing that matters.

I think the Hawks Have one goal, beat the Magic. They have not taken off one minute against them this year and I think they will prove that in the playoffs.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 11th, 2011
3:23 pm

“Anyway, the Hawks do have a bunch of signs with inspirational slogans hanging in the locker room and hallways. Those didn’t inspire them to avoid taking a historic L from the Magic last spring or three 30-point beat downs at home and one to the Wiz this season so excuse me if I’m skeptical that something like Jameer’s quotes will have much effect on this group.”

LMAO. Real talk.

If anything, the buzz over the last two weeks about Jason Collins being the “Dwight-stopper” is going to fire up Dwight and inspire him to destroy this team singlehandedly. At this point it’s hard for me to imagine anything lighting a fire under this team.

Hire Mike Brown

April 11th, 2011
3:24 pm

@Michael Cunninham: Do you think the Hawks will ever ask Dominque to Coach. I mean I listen to him talk on the sidelines and he sees the same things we see which he is not afraid to comment about everything the Hawks Lack. Secondly, what your thoughts about him coaching.

Slimjr

April 11th, 2011
3:26 pm

@O’Brien,
Thanks for those brutal numbers!!!!LOL
So in three years of playoff road games they have only 2 wins??????????????DANG…………..
The rest are major beat downs??????

Najeh Davenpoop

April 11th, 2011
3:29 pm

To me, the only difference between Mike Brown and Woody was that Mike Brown had LeBron and Woody had Joe Johnson. I don’t see him as some major improvement. The Cavs’ schemes with him looked almost identical to what the Hawks did under Woody.

Slimjr

April 11th, 2011
3:32 pm

Hire Coach Brown wont make a difference with cast of wanna be’s…

Drafting DWILL in 05, Drafting Lue ALdang in 04, Drafting Rudy Gay in 07, would have made a huge difference..
Players play to win the game……………….Playoffs,PLAYOFFS????Yep….

Slimjr

April 11th, 2011
3:33 pm

check that,Rudy in 06..

Bird

April 11th, 2011
3:35 pm

Who the heck is Magnum Rolle?

Michael Cunningham

April 11th, 2011
3:38 pm

Blog updates with Hawks signing Magnum Rolle.

Lots of people on Twitter don’t seem to know who he is. Am I the only one who remembers him from his LSU days? The name alone makes him memorable but I recall a long, skinny kid who could block shots and not much else.

Michael Cunningham

April 11th, 2011
3:40 pm

@ Hire Mike Brown: “@Michael Cunninham: Do you think the Hawks will ever ask Dominque to Coach. I mean I listen to him talk on the sidelines and he sees the same things we see which he is not afraid to comment about everything the Hawks Lack. Secondly, what your thoughts about him coaching.”

i can’t tell if this is sarcasm? no, Nique will not be asked to coach. my thoughts are that he would not make a very good one. that’s no disrespect to Nique, who as you say at least will call out guys he sees every day even if he’s not the smoothest on the mic.

Rod from College Park

April 11th, 2011
3:42 pm

Another excuse for Marvin. So when he averages 8pts and 4 rpg (his career playoff averages), all the Marvin supporters will say that he was hurt. Next year we will hear that same, Marvin should get more shots, he has got potential, he’s young………….

Astro Joe

April 11th, 2011
4:00 pm

MC, why the Magnum Rolle signing at game #80? What should we make of this roster move, that Collins may not be available for some/all of the Orlando series and they want 6 more fouls against Dwight? WTF, they couldn’t find Patrick O’Bryant’s phone number?

mykhalc

April 11th, 2011
4:00 pm

the WNBA draft is more excitin’ than Hawks bball…PERIOD!!!

northcyde

April 11th, 2011
4:04 pm

Bird

April 11th, 2011
3:35 pm

Who the heck is Magnum Rolle?

Ladies and Gentlemen . . . Magnum Rolle

Cool name.

Rev in Tampa

April 11th, 2011
4:05 pm

doc,

I think you put your finger on the pulse of the Hawks on the previous blog when you said, “hawks are breed of their own. i believe they could come out and win the series just as easily as get trashed in five or less.”

They win on the road this year after being terrible last year. They lose at home in blowouts this year after being one of the better home teams in the league last year. They lay down when they are losing by 15 to poor teams but battle back against Chicago and Boston. They beat Orlando 3 out of four 4 this year after the historic beatdown in the playoffs. They lose several games in blowout fashion and it doesn’t seem to really (deep-down) bother them.

Who can figure them out??? They are as likely to sweep the Magic as be swept. This team is a hot mess.

Astro Joe

April 11th, 2011
4:05 pm

And why wouldn’t Jameer take the position that his team will win and get another shot at the Bulls? Heck, I would love for one of our players to say to Bibby after tonight’s game, “see you in the ECF”.

Astro Joe

April 11th, 2011
4:14 pm

Section 303, I received an email this morning from Hawks ticket broker trying to sell some Heat tickets. That is generally a sign that they have more than a handful of seats left over. I know that they tried to sell Heat tickets at a premium and now they are practically giving them away.

doc

April 11th, 2011
4:18 pm

man, i am sure they stole magnum out from riles nose while he was looking at eddie curry and wisely turning him down. now where is rand mo to answer the ad in miami for a seven footer? we just made ourselves stronger while making the other guy weaker even if we dont use him. oh, it wont work for him? only for what the lakers did in getting barnes when they really didnt need him and it left the magic that much weaker. you mean we wont see the heat down the road at ecf? durn.

rev, yes still dont know what to expect. i said it last week the most optimistic i can get is to think these guys can go for short bursts out of the gate like at the starts of seasons. geez i can only wish for that. got tix so i guess i gotta take my punishment but would rather see something of substance.

K.W.

April 11th, 2011
4:18 pm

So what was the point in signing Magnum Rolle???

Rufus1

April 11th, 2011
4:19 pm

Magnum Rolle

Who is going to sit during the playoffs…Ohhh, Josh Powell.

He sounds like a young Josh Smith. 6′10 athletic shot blocker.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/magnum-rolle

northcyde

April 11th, 2011
4:20 pm

LOL @ Astro. That is a good question.

Sund has been saving this “secret weapon” until the end of the season. He and Pape will round out our bench . . lol.

But if this is an indication that Collins can’t go, that may be all she wrote for us. Rolle is basically Solomon Jones reincarnated.

SMH . . so we sign Magnum Rolle, but couldn’t waste the #31 pick on Jarvis Varnado, who could at least block a few shots and possibly grab rebounds? Jarvis is having a pretty good year in Italy

Rufus1

April 11th, 2011
4:20 pm

Hawk Str8Talk

April 11th, 2011
4:21 pm

we wait until game 81 to sign another big – I mean Hilton, Etan and Josh Powell don’t have enough company as it stands. That’s a joke, right? ASG never ceases to amaze.

Rufus1

April 11th, 2011
4:22 pm

mykhalc

April 11th, 2011
4:23 pm

@Joe…yep…i wonder which one of the leader-less would step up with that kinda statement??? NADA!!!

Michael Cunningham

April 11th, 2011
4:24 pm

@ AJ: “MC, why the Magnum Rolle signing at game #80? What should we make of this roster move, that Collins may not be available for some/all of the Orlando series and they want 6 more fouls against Dwight? WTF, they couldn’t find Patrick O’Bryant’s phone number?”

i have no idea what to make of it. L.D. didn’t let on that Twin’s injury is all that serious. kept saying “minor” sprain. Twin also downplayed it.

Astro Joe

April 11th, 2011
4:24 pm

Unless Josh Powell is being arrested again for being stupid, I assume this is just another body to commit 6 fouls if all of our other bigs go down. Essentially, a tall player encased with a label saying “break glass in the event that your other 5-6 bigs go doqwn during the playoffs”.

And he isn’t much of a shot-blocker, at least he wasn’t in his limited stint in the D-League. Again, I think he is just cheap & tall (and about as thin as Jamal).

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/magnum_rolle/index.html?nav=page

doc

April 11th, 2011
4:24 pm

looks lik hilton to me.

Rufus1

April 11th, 2011
4:26 pm

I was a Hilton/Powell supporter, but they SUCK!!! He can’t be worse than them.

Powel can’t jump or defend and Hilton plays with mittens.

I will never be mad at a team for trying to get better, even if it is late. WE HAVE ALWAYS NEEDED ANOTHER SHOT-BLOCKER AND HE IS THAT.