Atlanta Hawks: Heat 98, Hawks 90
- A lineup of Teague, Jamal, Damien, Josh Powell and Zaza played the entire fourth quarter and nearly beat a Heat crew that included LeBron for 12 minutes, D-Wade for 10 and Bosh for 6.
- That’s an aberration but it also was the kind of spirited play that’s been missing since the Hawks beat Boston. The Hawks had been searching for something good in these meaningless games and finally got it.
- Still, is the play of the bench in this game going to mean more for Atlanta’s series vs. Orlando than the play of the starters over the last three games? The guys that play the most minutes got drilled by the Heat two nights after they couldn’t put down Washington’s D-Leaguers.
- At least nobody got hurt. “The main thing is to be healthy because that’s been our Achilles’ heel the last two years,” Smoove said.
- Marvin played 19 (productive and efficient minutes) and Josh logged 24 (pretty good, especially on the offensive boards, but for a couple untimely turnovers) minutes.
- Josh said the knee came out OK. “It feels all right,” he said. “It might be a little sore tomorrow. There was a little bumping and it was physical. I will ice it and take my time with it. For the most part I felt comfortable. I had to get my timing down in that first half but when I finally got it in the second half it felt good.”
- L.D. said he never considered sending his starters back in and can’t say I blame him. The bench guys were simply better tonight.
- The fourth-quarter crew was 8 of 14 in the paint. The Hawks were 13 of 25 from that range in the other three quarters.
- Sometimes it’s better to be good than deep. The Heat’s All-Star trio outscored the Hawks 49-46 in the first half and tallied 70 for the game. That nullified Atlanta’s a 44-14 advantage in bench scoring.
- Bibby came in clearly motivated and outplayed Hinrich. It’s one thing for Hinrich to struggle to stay with Lowry and Parker, something else to let Bibby get to the rim more times in one game than he did in the previous 17 with the Heat.
- That’s not an exaggeration.
- Hinrich was no better offensively, either. By my recollection, all but one of his six missed shots were clean looks. He just doesn’t look comfortable out there and his body language was bad tonight.
- L.D. mentioned the other day that he would have liked to give Hinrich a break and he sure looks like he’s aged a lot in like three weeks. If that’s the case, then it’s just another reason for Teague to get more burn (and, yes, it’s a problem that the Hawks are still trying to figure things like this out in Game 81).
- I thought the Hawks moved the ball well in the second quarter (8 for 16 field goals, 5 assists) but the Heat turned up the D and didn’t allow anything easy. At the same time the Heat made 4 of their 5 long 2-point jumpers and scored nine points off five Hawks turnovers.
- The Heat were just 1 for 4 on long jumpers in the third quarter and 0 for 5. They scored 17 points in the third and 19 in the fourth. “Their reserves came in with a lot of energy and they went to the zone and that confused us at first,” LeBron said.
- Powell was a team-high plus-5 in 23 minutes and scored on a tip dunk and another dunk on a pass from Zaza to pull the Hawks within 86-85. He also set up a Damien basket with an offensive rebound.
- “I thought J.P. came in and gave us some muscle down low, some energy down low,” Drew said. “I thought he played with a physicality.”
- But before that good sequence Powell wiped out a Teague layup with a goaltend. Down the stretch he missed a 20-footer, had his shot blocked by D-Wade, fouled James Jones for a 4-point play on a late closeout in the zone defense and was called for charging with the Hawks down 96-90.
- The Heat’s stars got some suspect calls but the Hawks can’t complain too much when they got Miami’s bigs in foul trouble, earned 21 free-throw attempts and made just 12. Josh, Al and Zaza were 4 of 11 combined.
- Zaza ticked off yet another opponent. This time it was Big Z, whom he considers a good friend. “I am definitely going to call him,” Zaza said. “Or maybe text him, because he might not answer.”
- It didn’t appear that Zaza did anything dirty on the play that preceded Big Z chucking the ball at him but Big Z said Zaza hit him the face on an earlier possession. “That was a lot of contact between that particular player and our guys all night but that’s the way it goes sometimes,” Erik Spoelstra said.
- The flip side of the Hawks competing better with their bench guys is that the Heat had to go all out to win against that group. Is this really a team that can take the Celtics in a series?
- Joel Anthony surely must be tired of getting dunked on by Smoove.
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ant banks
April 11th, 2011
10:48 pm
first
ant banks
April 11th, 2011
10:49 pm
hot damn!!! that’s twice this year and its only April!!!! what’s the record for 1st posts by any blogger in a year? lol
ag
April 11th, 2011
10:50 pm
second
Jesse
April 11th, 2011
10:51 pm
Do you guys care about the Hawks or being first on the post?
ag
April 11th, 2011
10:53 pm
Being FIRST!
ag
April 11th, 2011
10:54 pm
Is there anyway that LD continues to play a struggling KH. On a 3 on 1 fast break, with Al trailing, he challenges LJ……really KH?
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2011
10:55 pm
Start Teague
ant banks
April 11th, 2011
10:58 pm
is anyone as UNEXCITED as i am about the start of the wnba season? i bet a few of those teams can beat the hawks. lol
Section 303
April 11th, 2011
10:59 pm
Just got back from the game. Not sure how I feel about it…
It’s great the bench guys stepped up and put up such a fight. I’m almost ready to buy a Jeff Teague jersey. How I missed the boat on him the past year and 1/2 + makes me question my eye for talent. I start Teague over Hinrich. Hinrich is terrible these days, by the way. Too late to send him back for Jordan Crawford?
As good as the bench played, the starters played equally awful. They got down big and the bench guys bailed them out. Really, how many times can we count on that? I still give the Hawks nearly zero shot of beating Orlando in this series.
My biggest beef tonight is with Larry Drew. Can we possibly get a more overmatched coach? Heat get ever call down the stretch. LeBron goes to the line every other time down the floor. Meanwhile, on the other end, Crawford gets knocked down 3 times on jumpers…no call. Powell gets mugged going to the basket…no call. Zaza gets pushed down by Wade, causing the ball to get thrown away…no call. What’s Larry Drew do? Nothing. Just sits and takes it. There are times when you have to rip refs. Tonight would have been a good time to do that. Drew decides to do nothing. And, the Hawks continued to get trashed by the officials.
Josh Smith jumpers actually kept us in the game. However, I need to point out he gave everything back with 3 stupid passes that lead to Heat points everytime.
ag
April 11th, 2011
10:59 pm
Last 5 games, Teague outscored KH 4 of 5. Last 10 games, KH 31.7 minutes 8.4ppg. Teague 15.6 min 8.4. Why is KH starting?
bigdave
April 11th, 2011
11:02 pm
“Yes, I see how that works, but the difference is that you post all the time, so I have seen enough to make an assertion, where I hardly ever post, so you really don’t know much about how I feel about any specific player or even the team. ”
honestly i dont keep up w/ bloggers post counts.. but when you did blog, tonight, you’ve come to the defense (we’ll call it) of Horford. when i wasnt even taking a “shot” @ him. so clearly my assertion, is just as good as yours; but we good.
speaking in general.. its amazing how every Hawk on roster can be examined w/ a critical eye.. but as soon as Horford is put under microscope panties is in cracks..
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2011
11:05 pm
Apparently Magnum Rolle was named after Magnum P.I. and not the thing that broke nine months before he was born.
O'Brien
April 11th, 2011
11:08 pm
From the previous blog;
Najeh,
Exactly. You would think a guy who has been in the league 10 years, and who just signed for 6 years, $124 mil (after making $70 mil over 5 years) would be held to the highest standard on the team.
Props to Jordan Crawford for making the big shot to send the Wiz-Celtics game to OT.
Rusty
April 11th, 2011
11:08 pm
Hell ld isn’t going to spend his own money to pay a fine. Get rid of his stupid ass.
ant banks
April 11th, 2011
11:10 pm
‘POOP,
are you sure he is not named after the malt liquor MAGNUM? lol
James on Pharr Rd
April 11th, 2011
11:11 pm
For my Jeff Teague fanatics, which player does JT remind you of? Because, I personally need guidance on why JT should start for any team in the league let alone this annoying Hawks’ excuse. Please include any number of strengths he has shown when he plays in comparison to other players of his size.( Need not include Brandon Jennings please)
Rusty
April 11th, 2011
11:15 pm
At the end of the game ld actually stood up & actually pretended he was coaching ,but then he got tired & sat down.
ant banks
April 11th, 2011
11:15 pm
PHARR RD.,
they jus’ gave you stats comparin’ teague wit’ hindlick (heinrich). teague is betta than kh. look at the previous blog, page 10. i think…
O'Brien
April 11th, 2011
11:15 pm
ag,
We can even go back to the last 10 games;
Kirk: 8 pts, 4 assists, 3 rebs in 32 mpg
Jeff: 8 pts, 2 assists, 1 reb in 16 mpg.
I’m a fan of Kirk, and think he is an upgrade over Bibby (although Bibby outplayed him tonight). But the last few games, I have not been impressed by Kirk at all.
And with the way Teague has improved since the trade, I think if he was given consistent minutes all season, he would have been ready to start, and we might have been able to move Bibby to the bench, and keep our 2 first round picks.
Rusty
April 11th, 2011
11:17 pm
James he is a hell of a lot better than mb,kh or jc2 at pg
superiorblogman
April 11th, 2011
11:18 pm
If you need guidance you should not look to others to provide it. Look at highlights or old games to see who Teague reminds you of. Too many of you guys come around with dumb meaningless conversation. Who does Kirk remind you of? He reminds of a worse version of Bibby at this point, I don’t need any help.
O'Brien
April 11th, 2011
11:18 pm
James,
I dont think you should focus on Teague’s individual strengths to determine if he should start or not. Instead, look at how the starting unit performed as a team when Jeff started, and the flexibility it allowed to bring Kirk off the bench to play with Jamal (which might be better combination than Jeff and Jamal).
Rusty
April 11th, 2011
11:19 pm
Meant jc1 at pg
Najeh Davenpoop
April 11th, 2011
11:19 pm
“which player does JT remind you of? ”
I think when it’s all said and done he has the skill set to be a more athletic Tony Parker. He’s not nearly that good yet, obviously, but he’s easily good enough to be playing and in my opinion should be starting.
ant banks
April 11th, 2011
11:20 pm
wow, JC2 beat the celtics??!!!
Rusty
April 11th, 2011
11:30 pm
Why the hell don’t ld play Etan over powell who gives you nothing?
Slimj4
April 11th, 2011
11:31 pm
“Hinrich…0-6 FGA, 1 pt, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 0 rebs, in 17 minutes of PT”
Great trade… Huh Sund????? Run dont Walk!!!!
JC2=future star???Beat the men in Green!!!!!
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superiorblogman
April 11th, 2011
11:32 pm
Tony Parker has never played less than 29 minutes per game and that was his rookie season when he only averaged 9 pts 4 assists. I think Teague would give you greater production with those minutes. Mike Conley never averaged less than 26 minutes and he gave you 9 pts and 4 assists. I think Teague would give you a little more with those 26 minutes than Conley. Monta Ellis rookie year he only average 18 minutes a game and gave you 7 pts and 1.6 assists. Jason Terry averaged 8 pts 4 assists as a rookie in 23 minutes. Honestly, Teague’s numbers for 13 minutes a game are just as impressive as anyone I just noted. No one knows what Teague could be with real minutes but that goes for a lot of guys that have proven themselves. He has earned that chance if you ask me. No sensible being should be running around questioning him if you look at history, history says question the coaches because guards usually don’t do much with 13 minutes per night which is the most they have ever been able to spare for Teague.
Rusty
April 11th, 2011
11:32 pm
Ld being coach makes this team seem like a soap opera ,worse coach maybe in NBA history.
doc
April 11th, 2011
11:32 pm
303, how about the body slam on hinrich by queenie. nothing but body to the guy sending him into the first row where he stayed awhile getting himself together. it wasnt even close but queen didnt pay a hand on him only his whole torso. or when jamal was held going up towards the basket? i hate stern rules.
like what teague has done as he has had to get time on the court. i still hold ld and woody for that matter for not finding more time for him and finding out if he can play. no he didnt ever impress because the collar around his neck was so tight. if drew had used him more it might have made it unnecessary to send bibby packing and use bibby for 20 minutes a night and teague 15 to 20 and fill in with crawford. i like hinrich but i dont like what we gave up but if not hinrich the askg would have thrown out the first rounder for bidders anyway like they did this past year.
Slimj4
April 11th, 2011
11:33 pm
That Heimlich trade is looking worse by the day……………….
Slimjr
April 11th, 2011
11:35 pm
gave up too much Sund…………………
Rev in Tampa
April 11th, 2011
11:37 pm
Teague Party!
Slimjr
April 11th, 2011
11:38 pm
Josh will never get it………………….
Slimjr
April 11th, 2011
11:42 pm
Hey LD, got sum strategy for you.Bring the starters off the bench for the Orlando series..You may advance to the next round????? He He….
Rusty
April 11th, 2011
11:47 pm
Listening to ld post game is a joke ,crap comes out of his mouth.
gcs
April 11th, 2011
11:53 pm
5 more games and the season is over.
.
cp
April 12th, 2011
12:12 am
I like how the bench guys performed tonight. That four point play however killed all the momentum they had. Josh Powell had a bunch of bad plays in that fourth quarter but it was still to see the other guys play well. We will need them in the playoffs…….Hinrich at this point is a reserve. I think he has had maybe 3 good games since he has been here. He couldn’t keep Bibby in front of him tonight. I saw Bibby attack the rim more tonight than I think he did as a Hawk. Put Kirk on the bench but knowing LD he will continue to start Hinrich although Teague has been the better player.
ag
April 12th, 2011
12:24 am
It is very sad that LD really cost this team. Not playing JCII and JT has really hurt the franchise. Suck up your pride LD and start Jeff Teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaggggggggggge
P. Bull Terrier
April 12th, 2011
12:29 am
I loved the fact that Drew didn’t put the starters back in the game after the bench made a game of it in the 4th quarter. The subs were playing real basketball and going toe to toe with LeBron and co. It was a lot more fun to watch Teague, Zaza, Powell, Crawford, and Wilkins play defense, move the ball to the open man, and take quality shots, than it is to watch Joe dribble and Josh miss 3 pointers. The subs should get the start next game.
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
12:33 am
Great game tonight by the bench, this why you have 2 develop your bench to have a complete team.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
12:34 am
The bench player we have can be good, it’s just LD have 2 coach them up and play them.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
ag
April 12th, 2011
12:36 am
The Hawks should use KH like the Magic use Reddick. With Teague starting, you don’t depend on his points (that is why the second unit played bad vs. Wiz cause JT could not hit a shot). I would also bring Marvin off bench,
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
12:39 am
Smh -_-
We could’ve had Crawford x 2 at PG and SG off the bench.
Start Jeff Teague!
Free Pape Sy!
Fire LD!
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
12:40 am
Hinrich have been horrible lately, and coaches have 2 make decision what’s better for the team, so bringing hinrich of the bench with jamal and marvin give the hawks balance and substance come playoffs, SO IF LD SEE THAT WHY NOT MAKE A CHANGE FOR THE BETTER OF THE TEAM.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
April 12th, 2011
12:40 am
superiorblogman
John Stockton = 5 pts & 5 assts in 18 min per as a rook.
*[Teague clearly better 'cause Stockton's white]
Steve Nash = 3 pts & 2 assts in 10.5 min per as a rook.
*[ditto / white]
Sam Cassell = 6 pts & 3 assts in 17 min per as a rook
*[Cassell future HOF because he's black]
Derek Fisher = 4 pts & 1 assts in 11.5 per as a rook
*[5 rings and he's black]
***Then I Found Him !***
Gail Goodrich = 8 pts & 1.6 assts in 15.5 min per
*[and he's white ** & ** he's in the HOF]
I couldn’t believe it either superiorblogman !
He’s as bad as Teague and as white as Hinrich !
Okay what was your point again, ’cause I forgot ?
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
12:42 am
We need to9 get back to real motion, like our bench did. We only had ONE shooter on the floor during that 4th qtr run(Jamal). Once again guys, it’s all about balance.
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
12:42 am
Man this team need collins bad, if can’t go come playoffs i see a sweep by magic.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
MJC
April 12th, 2011
12:44 am
I think this game proves that we just need to sit our starters for the next game and hopefully give them a little more time to heal before the playoffs start on Saturday or Sunday.
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
12:45 am
STARTE TEAGUE, COLLINS, AND BRING MARVIN, HINRICH OF BENCH, THE HAWKS WILL WIN IN 6.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
April 12th, 2011
12:55 am
Derek Fisher is one of my favorite players;
and I don’t care if he’s “amethyst”.
Although I’m pretty sure he believes in God.
21 could ball but he can't announce
April 12th, 2011
12:56 am
Play the bench all through the playoffs. That was fun to watch and the most heart I have seen from a Hawks team since those 2008 Celtics playoff home victories. Why not?
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
1:04 am
Okay let’s look at the matchups
TEAGUE VS NELSON with teague defense and his energy teague can contain him at the point of attack.
JOE VS JASON this is a good matchup but joe disappear come playoffs so jason win this one.
JOSH VS HEDO josh could be the man in this series and post hedo up allday in the paint and AVG 20points a game, only if he play inside down low.
HORFORD VS BASS horford have been playing very soft lately and getting dominated in the paint but look for that 2 change come playoffs, must stay at the powerforward the hole series.
COLLINS VS HOWARD collins is the only big on this team and nba that can contain howard with collins starting give the hawks toughness in the paint they so badly need but howard is better but collins size clog the paint.
HAWKS IN 6 IF LD STARTE TEAGUE, COLLINS.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
1:07 am
Just heard on NBA Tonight where Zaza said he was going to try and call Big Z after the game. Once again I am telling you guys Zaza is a fake tough guy. Why call a guy and ask what was that about or apologize when you could see them again before season is over? Don’t listen to these guys watch there actions that will tell you what we are about to see in the playoffs. I like the way Zaza has been playing as of late but he is a joke as a tough guy.
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
1:14 am
Grandad
April 12th, 2011
12:40 am
superiorblogman
John Stockton = 5 pts & 5 assts in 18 min per as a rook.
*[Teague clearly better 'cause Stockton's white]
Steve Nash = 3 pts & 2 assts in 10.5 min per as a rook.
*[ditto / white]
Sam Cassell = 6 pts & 3 assts in 17 min per as a rook
*[Cassell future HOF because he's black]
Derek Fisher = 4 pts & 1 assts in 11.5 per as a rook
*[5 rings and he's black]
***Then I Found Him !***
Gail Goodrich = 8 pts & 1.6 assts in 15.5 min per
*[and he's white ** & ** he's in the HOF]
I couldn’t believe it either superiorblogman !
He’s as bad as Teague and as white as Hinrich !
Okay what was your point again, ’cause I forgot ?
Grandad go change your pamper.
Michael Cunningham
April 12th, 2011
1:16 am
Blog updates with recap.
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
1:21 am
Miami coach complaining about another player not getting called for something. Now that’s classic, the entire league knows the Heat and every other superstar laden team gets suspect call after suspect call. Truly, I don’t go to NBA games unless I get free tickets. It’s just as much sports entertainment as the WWE. That’s what makes that comeback even better. A bunch of bench guys had a chance to beat the Queens of the league.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
1:23 am
Free Jeff Teague
STFU Nique
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
1:25 am
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
1:23 am
Free Jeff Teague
STFU Nique
Co-sign, Nique can kick rocks along with LD, Sund, and the ASG because I now believe Nique was a supporter in there little war room to make that stupid trade and a bunch of other bad moves. He is VP and has some say. We don’t need a yes man on air. Phuck Nique as a announcer.
Jae Evolution
April 12th, 2011
1:28 am
The second half of this game is exactly why I refuse to take the Miami Heat seriously, they crumbled so bad and almost let our bench win this game.
The Boston Celtics will have little problems getting back to the ECF, many of you say Perkins absence has completely changed the team, but in reality it’s the offense which has been struggling and that is all on Rondo. Also when Shaq gets back they gain whatever advantage they had when Perkins was with the green.
MJC
April 12th, 2011
1:33 am
@superiorblogman
But if Nique goes, how will we ever know the nimbers?
The Dreamer 3K
April 12th, 2011
1:49 am
I really expected more from Hinrich. When Rose outplayed him, I took solace in the fact that it was after all, Derrick Rose. He outplays everybody. When Rondo outplayed him, I took solace in the fact that it was afer all, Rajon Rondo. He outplays everybody. When Martin outplayed him, I took solace in the fact that it was after all, Kevin Martin. He outplays everybody. When Parker outplayed him, I took solace in the fact that it was after all, Tony Parker. He outplays everybody.
Tonight it was Mike Bibby’s turn. Mike Bibby outplayed him. Mike Bibby outplays nobody.
While I initially EXPECTED more from Hinrich. Now I’m reduced to merely HOPING for more. After all, it is Kirk Hinrich. Everybody outplays him.
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
1:52 am
James on Pharr Rd
April 11th, 2011
11:11 pm
“For my Jeff Teague fanatics, which player does JT remind you of? Because, I personally need guidance on why JT should start for any team in the league let alone this annoying Hawks’ excuse. Please include any number of strengths he has shown when he plays in comparison to other players of his size.( Need not include Brandon Jennings please)”
Are you kidding me man?
Nobody’s on here trying to portray Jeff Teague as the solution to all of the Hawks problems. What most people are saying though is that, he could be the solution to a problem that’s plagued this team for a long time. He could potentially fill our hole at PG. For too long, this team has relied on the stop-gap solution. This team seems to be content with average PG play from stop-gap PG’s, and they neglect to *develop* viable options. And truthfully, it makes little sense to give Hinrich (a stop-gap PG who won’t be here down the road) the nod over Teague when Teague at this juncture is giving you as much and really more than veteran Kirk brings.
Don’t even wanna get too deep into this. Seems like we’ve been having the same conversation since the Hinrich deal, and some of us much longer than that.
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
1:58 am
By the way, Jordan Crawford should’ve still been a Hawk.
Had Larry Drew not shyed away from his responsibility to develop Teague, something most Hawks fans here were under the assumption of him doing, then we would’ve had the better PG play and wouldn’t have lost a true scorer and a kid that’s gonna be tough down the road.
Broussard himself said it on ESPN’s NBA countdown, “Jordan Crawford will be tough down the road, look out for this kid…”
And he couldn’t buy a single minute here as a Hawk, because we have guys that aren’t long term assets hogging all the minutes.
Next year when Jamal’s gone, we’ll be wishing we didn’t give up Jordan Crawford for a useless upgrade. Truth is, has the addition of Kirk Hinrich stabalized anything? Are we any better off vs. the elite teams in the league? Useless deal.
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
2:00 am
By the way, also heard on PTI earlier today that Jameer Nelson told Derrick Rose after the Bulls/Magic game over the weekend that they’ll (the Magic) will see the Bulls in the 2nd round.
Then the PTI guys started hammering the Hawks lackadaisical ways. Clowned on them for being practically sleeping their way into the playoffs.
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
2:07 am
Hinrich have turn out 2 be a bust, very disappointing in his play, even bibby out played him tonight wow!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rusty
April 12th, 2011
2:10 am
We need a pg who will penetrate & play uptempo basketball & who can stay with fast pg,kh,jc1 & jj can’t give you that. We also do not need jj to dominate the ball that is a sure way to failure.
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
2:13 am
When i watch HAWKS VS WIZARD nique was downplaying teague i wonder if there is somthing that we dont’ no as fans’, so much hate between LD AND NIQUE on TEAGUE you kind of wonder hmmmmmmmmmmmm
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken Strickland
April 12th, 2011
2:16 am
LDrew shares the same stupid bias Woodson had against Teague and other young guards and will play any vet PG ahead of him no matter what. For some stupid reason, Drew obviously thinks starting and playing Hinrich twice as many mins as Teague and getting basically the same production is somehow better for the team.
Since JCollins will likely start against the Magic, we can’t afford to have Hinrich disappear, which would give us another OFF liability.
Rusty
April 12th, 2011
2:38 am
Losing jc2is like losing a beautiful girl your crazy over, getting kh is like getting a plain girl who’s been around the block. Screw ld
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
2:51 am
At least when the Atlanta Dream trade multiple first round picks for a point guard, they get one who is actually good (so I hear).
Worldwide Clyde
April 12th, 2011
3:05 am
FIRE NIQUE
Nique always wanna criticize Teague but don’t have the balls to criticize our “leader” Joe Johnson. Teague may make mistakes but he always plays hard all the time. Joe Johnson on the other hand gives up when teams are up big. Bring Mike Glenn back and Fire Nique’s arrogant tail.
Worldwide Clyde
April 12th, 2011
3:35 am
FIRE GEARON
FIRE SUND
FIRE NIQUE
FIRE DREW
FIRE JOE JOHNSON
Worldwide Clyde
April 12th, 2011
3:38 am
Hinrich was 0-6 with one point tonight Nique. Criticize him. Leave the young folks alone you bully.
Grandad
April 12th, 2011
3:44 am
superiorblogman
I prefer “Depends”
of course that depends on how you look at it ?
I’m not finished with it just yet,
but when I am, I’ll let you blow your nose on it.
“Pampers” huh, that must be your preferred brand,
I reckon yore momma still got you in baby diapers.
James on Pharr Rd
April 12th, 2011
3:48 am
You guys might be right……And for the record, I have never “scouted” for small guards well, and I had no complaints with skipping CP in the draft-MY BAD. As far as Teague, I’ll still be on this blog hoping to see myself getting it wrong again.
MARVIN WILLIAMS (Ryan Cameron voice)
Reggie
April 12th, 2011
3:59 am
Nique does need to stfu but i wont tell him that because i value my face and so should you!
Worldwide Clyde
April 12th, 2011
4:09 am
Nique bout to turn 60 still getting in fist fights.
SHAKING MY GOT DAM HEAD
Worldwide Clyde
April 12th, 2011
4:13 am
Going from The Stinger to Nique is like going from Bibby to Hinrich.
FIRE LD
Geemack
April 12th, 2011
4:53 am
So the Hawks are playing “meaningless” games.
These dudes act like they are going past the 1st rd.
Drew resting his starters….for what? A championship run?
Lol @ Josh Smith talking about injuries derailing them the last 2 season.
So Kobe & Drew play on knees that need surgery in the off season and the Lakers win the championship.
The Hawks can’t win a game against the Magic in the seconds round. I don’t recall anyone needing offsesason surgery.
That lets me know this playoff will be no different than the last.
The bench played with the heart the starter wish they had.
JJ Sucks
April 12th, 2011
6:32 am
Thank God for the Atlanta Dream, the REAL pro basketball team in Atlanta.
gator
April 12th, 2011
7:20 am
Please guys, how would we know about “heat checks” w/o Nique
Section 303
April 12th, 2011
7:51 am
It’s going to be a glorious day when the Heat get knocked out of the playoffs. I can’t wait to see it. Wade, James, and Bosh are my three least favorite players in the NBA. Spoelstra is my least favorite coach in the league.
Reading Spoelstra’s qoute on Zaza’s play is irritating. Reminds me of when he complained about Josh Smith dunk attempt in Game two of the ‘09 series (I’m still mad at Josh for apologizing to Spolestra for that).
Anyways…will be reason to celebrate when the Heat gets sent home.
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
7:59 am
Nique you should listen to another HOF call a game!!! His name is Walt Frazier with the Knicks!!! You guys are worlds apart in more ways than one……………………………….Walt is the BEST IN THE GAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
8:00 am
Hawks are one and done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
8:02 am
LD why dont you rest the starters for the rest of year with their pathetic playing??????
The Real Hawk
April 12th, 2011
8:08 am
Jordan Crawford in Washington:
SPLITS GP MPG FG% RPG APG BLKPG STPG PFPG PPG
(Last 10) 10 40.5 .402 3.7 5.0 0.2 1.2 2.5 20.7
Would love to have that on this team. It’s about coaching and we don’t have it…still.
Section 303
April 12th, 2011
8:18 am
The Real Hawk, I don’t even want to know what Hinrich’s splits are the past 10 games. I imagine they are somewhere between terrible and horrific.
I’m not a Hinrich fan these days. The fact he continues to start at PG over Teague just shows that the Hawks are still the Hawks.
Double Zero Eight
April 12th, 2011
8:32 am
I said for months that the Hawks would make a meaningless
token trade. Unfortunately, I was correct. It is obvious that
Teague is better than Hinrich. It was a meaninggul trade for
the Wizartds in that we gave up way too much.
Larry Drew and Lon Kruger are comparable.
Sund = Knight. (pompous know it alls).
It was not a bad pick
April 12th, 2011
8:48 am
Free Marvin..5-8 last night…Only 8 shots?.#2 pick?…I have never seen anything like this in my life!
Double Zero Eight
April 12th, 2011
8:56 am
Spelled “meaningful” incorrectly in previous post.
Mike
April 12th, 2011
9:25 am
@Section 303: The Hawks, along with your overpaid “leader” Johnson, are a joke, and will be annihilated once again by the Magic, just like last year. You may hate the Heat and their players, but they’ve beaten down the Hawks three times this year, once by 30 points in your own house. The only glorious day will happen when that scrub Hawks team gets eliminated.
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
9:30 am
The Fat Lady just took her first step towards the stairs that lead to the stage…..LOL
She is clearing her voice…………………………
ICECOLD
April 12th, 2011
9:34 am
Trade Joe Johnson, Marvin williams and Jamal Crawford for Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert this off season and a first round pick.
starting five will be
Jeff Teague
Danny Granger
Josh Smith
Al Horford
Roy Hibbert
bench
Kirk Hinrick
(who ever the first round pick is), Pape Sy
Damien WIlkins
Josh Powell
Zaza, Collins, and Eton Thomas
Joe Johnson is a iso player who needs to play on a iso team.. Jamal Crawford is going to want a sign and trade deal… and marvin williams is to up and down .. he will be a good fit in Indiana
I MUS WRITE
April 12th, 2011
9:35 am
How ironic: The so called defensive stopper we traded for bgets beat off the dribble by the slowest PG in the league. Does the organization hate Teague? I mean jeez its clear he is playing better than KH why doesnt he get time ?? LD is just as bad as Woody…..Let the yungn play nobody gives a dam about the CORE.
Jordan Crawford has been playing well for the wizards im glad to see him getting a chance -all he needed was playing time.
When D Cousins matures he will be top 2 in centers . That yungn is a goon on the blocks .never saw anyone manhandle Perkins like that………
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
9:36 am
LOL @ comparing how the Heat played in one measly quarter to how they’ll play agains Boston.
Every team in the NBA has a game where its bench brings the team back
This team still sucks
Hinrich kinda sucks right now and Teague can’t hit a jumpshot or hit the floater (that’s all he does)
Josh Powell destroyed us late in the game last night, even if he was better earlier in the quarter
I MUS WRITE
April 12th, 2011
9:51 am
Its going down tonight -Mr fast dont lie vs the knicks in the garden. Rose is rapidly becoming my favorite player. OKC vs Chicago -OKC in 7
JeJe- I used to say the same thing “teague cant shoot” Well he doesnt shoot well but he is a difference maker when he plays with the starters. What does KH do when his jumper is off…uhhhhh nothing -Bibby beat this man off the dribble a couple times last night which is pretty disgusting.
For the love of god get rid of this clown posing as a coach. Anyone buying suits from JC Penny’s doesnt deserve to be a coach in this league.
FREE PAPE SY Marvin has a good game now watch him disappear…. Are’nt we tired of playing this game.
WTH would INDY trade Hibbet/Granger for Joe/Marvin……… That GM would be run out of town before the ink dry’s
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
9:52 am
Marvin actually played damn well last night (+/- was -11 though
Why couldn’t he get more minutes?
The guy probably doesn’t even whine about playing well but not getting minutes
lewis
April 12th, 2011
9:56 am
“For my Jeff Teague fanatics, which player does JT remind you of? Because, I personally need guidance on why JT should start for any team in the league let alone this annoying Hawks’ excuse. Please include any number of strengths he has shown when he plays in comparison to other players of his size.( Need not include Brandon Jennings please)”
Check out his college tapes. Dude is fast, can score, and has a killer instinct. low release on his jump shot which needs to be fixed but it looks better than some starting PG’s when they came into the league. And he’s the only one on the team capable of slowing the league’s new superbreed of PG’s that are unbelievably fast and strong.
Teague should have been inserted into the starting role after the portland game where he shut down andre miller. He has been agressive on offense and defense and brings an energy (i sound liek LD) that no one else on the team brings. He’s done a great job since the trade and theres no excuse for his PT.
As for player comparisons, think of pg’s that pressure the ball well on D and get a lot of steals, get to the ft line at a higher rate than anyone on the team, pass first PGs who penetrate and dish. Honestly, when he puts his mind to it 9 times out of 10 no one is goin to stop him from getting to the basket.
And these are 4-6 minute bursts I have to judge him by. I don’t claim to know anything about basketball but after watching the JJ era Hawks for the past 6 years, how they chop the nuts off of any young talent, for Teague to still be around in his second full year of no playing time, keeping his head up and showing us glimpses, well, that shows me a lot. Some will try to tell you he has a “low bball iq” but as someone who is very harsh on the intelligence of these players, I have not seen it. He is deliberate in interviews and for the most part on the court. It pretty much has to work because there is no way the Hawks have the assets to get a PG and C or PF depending.
lewis
April 12th, 2011
9:58 am
Last night was Bibby’s playoff effort. He now has nothing left in the tank.
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
10:18 am
You ask why Marvin the #2 lottery pick over DWILL,CP3,and Raymond F. did not get more playing time????
Marvin, last night= (-11), enough said…………..
Ld good thing u benched the starters last night or you guys would have been buried!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
10:20 am
Starters lose by 35!!
Bench lose by 8..
Tell me who should start the last game of the season LD?????
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
10:20 am
FOE all of you complaining about KH….HE GOT BEAT OF THE DRIBBLE BY BIBBY EVEN THAT LAST TIME WE PLAYED THE HEAT!!!
smh!!!
I think Yao ming is a UFA this offseason. IDK about his foot, i’d take a chance on him!!! Not Greg Oden though.
We can trade KH in the offseason (His Contract will be very attractive). I like that PG coming out of BYU, he was a beast. Sharron collins in nice as well. Ben Hansbrough may be in the second round also.
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
10:21 am
Bibby out played the Heimlich??????????? Wow Sund great trade huh????????
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
10:23 am
We can Trade Marvin and KH this offseason for some goodies! There is still a little hope folks! Also, Rick Sunds contract is up!
Free Pape Sy!
Fire LD!!!
New Owners Please!!!!
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
10:25 am
Hey Gearon, News Flash!!!! Your product is just garbage you arrogant ___________________!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
10:27 am
10th seed in the West…..
Rev in Tampa
April 12th, 2011
10:32 am
I am still frustrated by the Hinrich trade. It is looking worse by the day. I posted this from last night…
“JC2…8-18 FGA, 17 pts, 6 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 rebs, in 45 minutes of PT”
Hinrich…0-6 FGA, 1 pt, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 0 rebs, in 17 minutes of PT
Jordan’s below 50% shooting is starting to look pretty good compared with what we’re gettng in exchange.
Rod from College Park
April 12th, 2011
10:46 am
I stated when we made the trade that Kirk Hinrich was washed up. I said he has been a backup, and not even playing the point for the last three years for a reason. I was told by some on the blog that the only reason that Kirk was not starting was because of Derrick Rose, and John Wall. Will those who argued with me now admit they were wrong. Kirk Hinrich actually is not better than Bibby. At first I thought he was better defensively, but I have not seen it as a Hawk. He has been outplayed badly by almost every above average point guard that we have played since he has been here. He can’t stop penetration, can’t penetrate, can’t hit wide open shots, and he looks nervous running the team, and he truns the ball over more than Bibby. I have not seen any of this high IQ stuff, and he was supposed to come here and get this bunch in line. He has been another joke, just like Speedy Claxton was. Hopefully all this toughness, grit, high basketball IQ and leadeership will show up in the playoffs. I have not been a huge Teague supporter, but at this point, he is much better option than Hinrich, especially since we are player against Jameer.
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
10:51 am
Jameer is going to dismantle the Hawks perimeter defenses……
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
11:00 am
SIT THE STARTERS WEDNESDAY
SO IF WE CHOKE IN THE PLAYOFFS THERE ARE NO EXCUSES
SMOOVE SAYS WE WEREN’T HEALTHY THE LAST 2 YEARS
LOL
LIKE THAT MATTERS
GET BLOWN OUT AT HOME
IT’S OUR MOTTO
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
11:00 am
IF IT DOESN’T FIT, YOU MUST ACQUIT
FIRE LD
Section 303
April 12th, 2011
11:02 am
Mike, your 2nd favorite team is who? Nazi Germany? Iraq? Would fall in line with your love of the Heat.
Mike = Acworth Heat Fan
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
11:02 am
FIRE LD
FIRE SUND
FIRE ASG
FIRE HINRICH
FIRE JOE
FIRE [INSERT HERE]
FIRE WOODY
FIRE KRUGER
FIRE WEISS
FIRE STOTTS
MistaGamer
April 12th, 2011
11:04 am
@MC
I wish someone (and I’m not saying that you haven’t), but I wish the media at-large would really hammer LD on this Teague situation. I mean, the guy has clearly outplayed KH at almost every turn and LD continues contradict himself as much as he can regarding Teague.
This has turned out to be the most baffling coaching decision with regards to usage of player personnel that I’ve seen in quite sometime. There has almost got to be some underlying ill-will towards Teague from the coach, or somewhere in the organization. Nothing else at this point seems to even come close to explaining it.
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
11:06 am
Trade Josh azzzzzzzzzzzzzzz asap…………….
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
11:13 am
43 years and still counting, the Hawks have not figured out you cant get to the finals without a good or great point guard….To much fluoride in the water down at Phillips??????? A 6′9″ Marvin prototype will not make it happen…..
FYI Jameer has been to a finals recently….
Rev in Tampa
April 12th, 2011
11:28 am
MistaGamer,
Here is one of MC’s blogs where he tried to pin Coach Drew down on why he doesn’t play Teague more minutes back in December. At least two more times in January MC asked the same questions rather persistently before throwing up his arms in frustration and told us he did not know what Drew was telling him. Drew has always spoken with a forked-tongue when it comes to Teague.
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/12/28/atlanta-hawks-on-drew-and-teague/
Vic in Florida
April 12th, 2011
11:30 am
My thoughts are the same as my post from yesterday. LD is a poor excuse for a coach. I thought Woody had some serious coaching issues, but he at least got this team to improve with each year. This guy doesn’t have a clue. The same problems we were having at the start of the season are the same problems we have now. Although the bench played great for 9 of the 12 minutes in the fourth quarter, I feel that the players that get paid the most should be earning their paychecks. There have been too many games this year where the Hawks have either been winning or the game was close and LD would play his bench until the lead was pushed to double digits. He runs plays for Josh Smith to shoot three point jumpers, when Josh should be closer to the basket to help with rebounding and paint scoring. Joe is too slow to be running isolation plays and just dribble the ball for 19 seconds and end up shooting an illadvised shot at the end of the shot clock. LD shows no intensity on the sidelines which is probably his team shows none on the court in crucial situations. Is the best he can do on the sideline is stick his fingers in his mouth and whistle? I am clueless to why the Hawks organization thought it needed to give Joe all of that money and bring him back after that disappearing act he pulled in the playoffs last year. Jamal should have been given more money and made a starter, because he was the reason we were where we were anyway. Joe has done even less since getting the new contract. I am a true Atlanta fan of all of the Atlanta sports teams, and it really drives me crazy to see my teams underacheive when they have so much potential. I have been with my Atlanta teams in the years where all of them were foot stools of their respective leagues, and I would hate to see those years again. Somebody please talk Dominuqe into coaching this team. I have always thought he would be the best choice if he had any interest at all. If not we need something other than LD.
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
11:38 am
Teague Should get some shooting lessons from his older brother
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-cNgKrQnpk
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
11:47 am
The youngest Teague may turn out to be a good shooter as well. It will be interesting to see how he fares at Kentecuky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryj1qasBUXI
We’ve got the fastest teageu though, without question.
Vic in Florida
April 12th, 2011
11:48 am
For those thinking that Mike is better than Kurt,………………please. Regardless of what you all are thinking Kurt is three times the defender of Bibby, and he shoots just as well. If Bibby wasn’t hitting his shots he was just in the way. Can somebody tell me how many meaningful threes Bibby hit in a clutch situation? Don’t get it twisted, Bibby may have had a decent 3pt pct., but most of his threes are made early in games. In late game situations Bibby was non exsistant. He was great as a King, but he is far from his prime.What the Hawks need to do is get a true center, bring Josh inside the 3pt line, put Crawford at point and start him, and find another 2 guard that likes showing up in the playoffs.
Jeje
April 12th, 2011
11:52 am
FIRE LD
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
11:57 am
HINRICH PLEASE WAKE UP FOR THE PLAYOFFS
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
11:59 am
FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND FIRE RICK SUND
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
12:04 pm
Let me work with Teague this summer..His jump shot would be lights out…..LOL, I aint kidding…
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
12:08 pm
Nique, too biased to be a HC..Also he would knock guys out,then they would be on the injured reserve lists….LOL
Rufus1
April 12th, 2011
12:19 pm
Bibby’s effort…
He played that way once every 25 games for the Hawks. he has been saving that game for 2 weeks and now he has used it…He wont play that way again until the 6th game of the playoffs. HE ALMOST BLOW-OUT HIS KNEE ON THE 1ST DRIVE TO THE BASKET…Lol
Bibby is still a SCRUB(The TLC version)
“A scrub is a guy that thinks he’s fine
And is also known as a buster
Always talkin’ about what he wants
And just sits on his broke ass”
He has been a passenger in the car of the Hawks “Big 3″ for the past 2 years and now he is a passenger in the car of Heats “Big 3″.
Rod from College Park
April 12th, 2011
12:28 pm
“For those thinking that Mike is better than Kurt,………………please. Regardless of what you all are thinking Kurt is three times the defender of Bibby, and he shoots just as well. If Bibby wasn’t hitting his shots he was just in the way.”
I don’t agree or disagree, but please inform me what you are basing your opinion on. Since Kirk has been an Atlanta Hawk, what has he done to make you think that he is three times the defender that Bibby is. I personally can’t remember a bunch of games in a row like this, that the other teams starting point guards have outplayed starting point guard this badly. I think that most of you base your “Hinrich is a great defender” on what you heard, and not what you have seen with the Hawks. He has been just as bad defensively as Bibby, since he has been here. Again, I’m actaully not stating that Bibby is a better individual defender than Hinrich, but from what I have seen, the team defense was better with Bibby. I guess all those years of knowing you have to help Bibby, have been hard to adjust to.
ag
April 12th, 2011
12:32 pm
Now I understand the hate of Teague by Nique. Since he has a little say so, he must have helped with the trade for KH. I have said it all along, Nique loves swinging from KH sac. I never heard him say a bad thing about him. Last night, KH led a 3 on 1 fast break from the wing ( I thought in middle school my coach told me to get in the middle). He had a trailer (BIG AL) but decided to go one on one with LeBron..
FIRE LD
START JEFF TEAGUE
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
12:33 pm
The Heimlich will look like hes stuck in mud once Jameer breaks him down in attack mode….
KevinM
April 12th, 2011
12:41 pm
Fact: I don’t miss Mike Bibby and his departure is not missed.
Fact: Kirk better defensively and still doesn’t play well with this group.
Fact: Bibby can hide on defense with the Heat better than here.
Fact: Marvin isn’t worth anything offered in ANYONE’s previous comments. He and Zaza are Bibby-esque….worth much less on the open market and we have to move an ‘asset’ also for someone to trade with us.
Fact: for you JC2 lovers, he was a wasted asset being on this team….we are ’stacked’ in PFs and SGs and none of them will get us to improve our weaknesses. We will just inherit other teams’ weaknesses.
Fact: re: Jameer being in the Finals once before….he didn’t get his team there that year, it was Rafer Alston, who I wanted in here a long time ago, but too late now. Jameer comes back from injury and starts Game 1 of the Finals, and that switch in on Van Gundy. He may never get another Finals shot. The Lakers were not unbeatable that year.
Fact: if LD comes back, it may be time to seriously consider moving this franchise to another city willing to watch the lethargic effort these guys put on throughout the season….just please, take Sund with you…..he is stealing money!
Worldwide Clyde
April 12th, 2011
12:48 pm
FIRE NIQUE
Vic in Florida
April 12th, 2011
12:51 pm
Rod, be for real. How long has Bibby been in Atlanta? When has he ever held any point guard in check, or kept one in front of him. Come on now, Atlanta’s defense at that position has always been suspect, we have always been at a miss match. Kurt may not be having the best offensive put out recently, but he just got here, and he is still a better defender hands down.
Rufus1
April 12th, 2011
12:52 pm
Rod
I agree with you that Kirk can’t guard the PG position any longer, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t be a solid defender of 2nd unit players and some SG. Bibby couldn’t guard anyone. I think LD is using him wrong and it is making him look worse than he is and it is effecting his offense. Kirk should be coming of the Bench with Jamal and Marvin.
Vic in Florida
April 12th, 2011
1:02 pm
All I have to say is this, if Atlanta doesn’t get J SMOOVE inside the 3pt line, get Joe to make a hearted appearance in the playoffs, other players taking good shots and not passing them up for Joe to throw up a prayer as the shot clock buzzer sounds, LD starts coaching the team and stop just watching the game like a fan, and do a better job in when his starters should be on the floor, and our major players play with some heart, and play like they actually want to win. We will get killed in the first round.
Man Man
April 12th, 2011
1:02 pm
Bibby has been playing better basketball with the heat because there better.The same thing boris diaw did when he left and went to a better team he played better.And bibbys defense has improved if you don’t know
Vic in Florida
April 12th, 2011
1:03 pm
NO I DIDN’T KNOW BIBBY’S DEFENSE HAS GOTTEN BETTER. WHERE AT??
Wink
April 12th, 2011
1:08 pm
@Slimjr
I concur…bring starter off the bench. The starters are the very ones who did the big hole. Lenny Wilkins won a championship in Seattle bringing the starters off the bench.
Watching our bench play that 4th quarter reminded me of why I like basketball. They flat out competed against the best team money can buy. It was fun to watch. Also, I observed our starters were on their feet cheering the entire 4th quarter prior to Jones busting up our zone at the end. I can’t remember seeing our bench guys on their feet the entire time cheering our starters with that same intensity. Would love to see the STARTERS take that intensity to the floor.
LD should start: Teague, Crawford, Wilkins, Twin, Horford against Orlando. Play the remaining starters from the bench. We would have defense & rebounding at the beginning of the game and Jamal can be Jamal on the offensive end.
Food for thought LD…job on the line anyway!!!
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
1:08 pm
I don’t think LD has the stones to play Jeff Teague, not because he doesn’t know what we all know about Teague vs. Hinrich, but because if he does give the nod to Teague over a supposed upgrade over Bibby, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t look so good in the eyes of management.
Truthfully, I don’t think he’s looking any good as it is. But, considering what Sund did to get Hinrich, giving up a promising young talent + a future 1st round pick, there’s no way LD can spin starting Teague now vs. when Bibby was around. Thus, you have the situation we’re in.
LD doesn’t start Teague or give him more minutes than Kirk because he’ll come out looking like a big loser. Truth is, he’s already proving to be a big loser because Teague’s showing in his limited minutes that he’s more than capable of performing at a higher level than Bibby was and that Hinrich currently is. But, LD can’t admit to that, especially with Jordan Crawford down in Washington ballin’. Management would be infuriated that they gave up all of this when the solution that LD’s gonna go with to resolve our PG woes was on our roster the whole time?
IMHO
drmaryb (*_-)
April 12th, 2011
1:10 pm
Passion Fuit!
A Doc Rivers led huddle has more Passion and less Fruit.
Vic in Florida
April 12th, 2011
1:14 pm
STARTING LINEUP: CRAWFORD, JOHNSON, SMITH, HORFORD, PACHULUA, or insert HINRICH, or TEAGUE for SMITH
MistaGamer
April 12th, 2011
1:15 pm
@Rufus1
Exactly, KH should be playing with the second unit. You get more “bang for your buck” with Teague playing with the 1st unit and KH playing with the second unit, than the other way around. But, then again as some folk would say “that would be too much like right!”
Teague’s defense, speed, and athleticism is a greater asset to our atheletic 1st unit than our 2nd. KH’s defense and offense helps more with our less productive 2nd than our 1st. At least we wouldn’t have to use Jamal as a pg, something I wish would cease immediately.
drmaryb (*_-)
April 12th, 2011
1:20 pm
Chris Paul (G) – New Orleans Hornets
(Tue, Apr 12 – 11:10am ET)
North Carolina native Chris Paul left the door open to joining the Bobcats when he becomes a free agent in 2012.
Paul was born in Winston-Salem and went to Wake Forest, so he is just being nice to his hometown here. “It would definitely be something to think about,” when questioned by a Charlotte reporter. We’d be stunned to see Paul end up with a non-contender like the Bobcats — even if Michael Jordan is pulling the strings.
Source: Mike Cranston on Twitter
Chris Kaman needs MRI on sprained right knee
Chris Kaman (C) – Los Angeles Clippers
(Tue, Apr 12 – 10:36am ET)
Chris Kaman needs an MRI on his sprained right knee.
Kaman is not going to play in the season finale, just as we suspected all along — making DeAndre Jordan a strong play. Kaman’s entire season has been marred by injury and the Caveman ended up playing in just 32 of the Clippers’ 82 games. He could find himself on the trading block this summer as his contract is up after the 2011-12 campaign.
Source: Los Angeles Times
KevinM
April 12th, 2011
1:30 pm
Josh as a SF is a bad move.
Kirk starting is a bad move.
Marvin starting is a big mistake, he takes lots of possessions off.
So far, LD hasn’t seen this yet.
Memo to LD: Teague gives you the best chance to win….give me Damien if you aren’t going to consider SF as an offensive option. I bet he crashes the boards more than Marvin.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
1:55 pm
Bibby had a 105.02 defensive rating as a Hawk . . probably because the rest of the guys covered for him so well. His offensive rating was 108.66
Bibby currently has a 112.28 defensive rating with the Heat, and a 115.91 offensive rating
That’s a +3.64 overall rating with Atlanta and a +3.63 overall rating with Miami
While in Atlanta, the Hawks were SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER with Bibby on the court, than off the court ( -3.88 off the court ). In Miami, the Heat are better with Bibby off the court ( +8.83 )
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Hinrich had a 110.79 defensive rating, and a 101.19 offensive rating with the Wizards
He currently has a 108.65 defensive rating, and a 99.32 offensive rating with the Hawks
That’s an on the court -9.60 overall rating with the Wizards and a -9.33 overall rating with the Hawks
The Wizards were slightly better with Hinrich off the court, than on the court ( -7.30 ). The Hawks are SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE with Hinrich on the court, than on the court. Off the court, the Hawks have a +1.07 overall rating
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Translation . . . Mike Bibby > Kirk Hinrich
Rufus1
April 12th, 2011
1:58 pm
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
1:08 pm
Co-sign
If my wife bought a new car because she said it did’t work and I find out all it needed was a new battery….
2 1st rd draft picks and 2mil in creased salary when the solution was on the bench(I could sell the draft pick for 3mil, I have to replace JC2 skill set 3 to 5mil and the 2mil more that Kirk makes)= about 10mil ….I WOULD WOULD FIRD LD FOR THAT ALONE!!!
I MUS WRITE
April 12th, 2011
2:09 pm
Kevin M i cosign everything you saidf at !:30
If LD is still the coach next year Im going to get The Leagues Pass and folow one of the following
Memphis,OKC,Chicago,Denver,Indiana
Bibby or KH our defense still sux don kee ballz…..Thats all
Slim Jr….. You post alot and its cool -you really have a fire in you when it comes to the hawks. Problem is nothings going to change and your fire will slowly die from lack of oxygen -this team takes the wind out of your sails.
No center
No PG
Questionable Coach
Bad Draft Picks
Paying top dollar for B- talent
Inability to develope players
8 monkeys driving a yugo (ASG)
GM is reactive instead of proactive
HMMMMM attendance is down I wonder why……… Sell this MOFO to someone who cares. I swear man, I dont ever want to hear the word CORE come out of Sunds mouth again
ag
April 12th, 2011
2:11 pm
KH makes 2mil more than Bibby. JCII rookie contract is about 1mil. Not making that deal and getting rid of JCI at end of year saves franchise $12mil. Start JCII and JT and JJ at SF. I have solved all the Hawks problems.
AG for GM
FIRE WOODY-LETE
FIRE LD
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
2:20 pm
“The Wizards were slightly better with Hinrich off the court, than on the court ( -7.30 ). The Hawks are SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE with Hinrich on the court, than on the court. Off the court, the Hawks have a +1.07 overall rating
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Translation . . . Mike Bibby > Kirk”
Hinrich Sund run dont walk!!!!
@northcyde, you are the man!!!!!
ag
April 12th, 2011
2:24 pm
Since the Hawks don’t have a stat man,as the new GM the first hire would be Northclyde. I would not have to fire LD, after I rip into him he will gladly quit.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
2:30 pm
And for the first time all year, Jeff Teague’s net defensive rating is in the green, not the red . . which means that his defense the past 10 – 15 games has been really good . . or the people playing PG when Teague isn’t in the game, has been horrific.
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
2:33 pm
@I mus write
“Slim Jr….. You post alot and its cool -you really have a fire in you when it comes to the hawks. Problem is nothings going to change and your fire will slowly die from lack of oxygen -this team takes the wind out of your sails.”
Yeah man I play the game and I am fixer by nature so watching this ish go down with the Hawks is so frustrating.I can get free tickets and I wont go down there..Iso makes 200k a night and the way he is playing right now I wouldn’t pay him 20 dollars.He’d have to pay me!!! LOL.. I rather spend that 20 on a Shoe model as she works the pole!LOL 20 one dollar bills, so the dance last longer…….He he…
Jae Evolution
April 12th, 2011
2:33 pm
Jeff Teague makes his first commercial debut for the playoffs.
“Locks it down on D.” Hear that LD?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSr1715vM-Q&feature=feedu
Rod from College Park
April 12th, 2011
2:42 pm
Northcyde,
I did not have the numbers to prove it, but the eye test alone has shown me that we were better with Bibby.
Slimjr- Same thing here. I had season tickets for the past 5 years, Gave them up this year, which was the best move I ever made. I have been offered free tickets usually in the Club Section to at least 15 games this year, and have turned them down. Even if I don’t pay for the tickets, by the time I eat, and get a couple of drinks, I’m out of 40 dollars. the game I did go to was the last Chicago game, and the game was over before halftime.
Section 303
April 12th, 2011
2:49 pm
Sorry, but some of you cannot come on here and say “we were better with Bibby”. That guy was killed on here more often than Freddy Kruger. Don’t come back now talking about how he is missed.
That’s not a defense of Hinrich, who I think needs a kick in the b@lls. Just don’t start singing Bibby’s praises after ripping him left and right this entire season.
O'Brien
April 12th, 2011
2:56 pm
Section 303, Last 10 games;
Kirk: 8 pts, 4 assists, 3 rebs in 32 mpg
Jeff: 8 pts, 2 assists, 1 reb in 16 mpg.
I know we have to take into account that Kirk p;layed with and against starters, while Teague played against mostly bench players, but offensively and defensively, Kirk has been disappointing the last few games.
From MC’s writeup, speaking of Kirk;
. He just doesn’t look comfortable out there and his body language was bad tonight. L.D. mentioned the other day that he would have liked to give Hinrich a break and he sure looks like he’s aged a lot in like three weeks..
I can’t help but wonder how much of it is the system (or lack thereof), and how much is the players.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
2:57 pm
Blog monster eating my post. I’ll try to break it down piece by piece.
Samuel
April 12th, 2011
2:57 pm
Section 303,
That’s pretty common around here.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
2:57 pm
@ ag . . . thanks man for the Hawks statistician job
But all of this ish is available to them, plus other things I don’t have access to, like Synergy ( which you have to pay for as an outsider . . but MC references all the time )
Honestly, there’s no way that me, as a fan, can pull up information and decipher it correctly . . and an NBA team whose JOB is to do this . . can’t.
( cont. )
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
2:59 pm
Like on this page
O'Brien
April 12th, 2011
2:59 pm
303,
What needs to be taken into account as well, is most of the games with Bibby (this season), was when we were playing one of the easiest schedules in the NBA. How would we have looked with Bibby guarding Rose, Rondo, Parker down the stretch?
The same Bibby who said he was tired, the same Bibby who LD said he could tell he was tired…the same Bibby who led to the other players being frustrated because they had to cover for him all the time…
Kirk has not been playing as well as I thought he would, but at least the players are not covering for him all the time.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
3:00 pm
Click on that link, and you’ll see EVERY single Hawk lineup that we’ve used in a game, and what their OFF, DEF, and OVERALL ratings are. The lineups are sorted according to minutes played.
The last column on the right shows that particular lineup’s NET OVERALL RATING. Specifically focus on those top 10 lineups, and see what their net overall rating was.
When you do that, you’ll see 3 things that will IMMEDIATELY jump out at you.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
3:02 pm
haha . . blog monster killing me.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
3:02 pm
1) The Bibby led lineups were almost always in the green for net overall rating. He had 5 lineups in the top 10 in minutes. 4 of them were in the green.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
3:02 pm
2) The Jamal – JJ – Marvin – Smith – Horford lineup is arguably OUR WORST lineup we can put on the floor, both offensively ( 93.33 ) and defensively ( 121.43 ). It was one of the best last year, but this year, that lineup is horrific.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
3:04 pm
haha . . it won’t let me post #3 . . which states that the Teague lineup + the starters is by far our best net lineup.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
3:07 pm
81.37 defensive rating for that lineup
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
3:07 pm
I mean, all of this ish is there as plain as day.
I can see it. You can see it. Everybody else can see it.
But our coaching staff can’t see it?
The people in basketball operations can’t see it?
Something is wrong . . or since Sund doesn’t even use a damn computer, he doesn’t have access to these numbers.
As out of whack as this team has been, they should be using every resource available to them, in order to make the team better. And if that means shaking up the lineup and using combinations that you KNOW may work, then why not use those combinations?
Maybe some of these players just play better with certain people. And if that’s the case, why haven’t the coaches or front office noticed this and made the proper adjustments?
Section 303
April 12th, 2011
3:12 pm
O’Brien, I think (like almost everyone (but me) has been saying all season) that Teague needs to start. All your numbers and everyone’s numbers show that Hinrich has been a bust.
Too bad….I had hopes for Hinrich when he got here. Not anymore. Guy cannot hit a shot. He just can’t. Hinrich needs to backup Teague.
Bill Simmons said that Hinrich was “washed up” when the trade with Washington went down. As each game passes, he is being proven more and more right.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
3:15 pm
O’Brien . . . maybe they need to be covering for Kirk though.
That’s why I wasn’t mad at how and why the Hawks used to switch so much. It is obvious that we don’t have great man defenders on here. Even the guys who are considered to be our best man defenders, are either only average or good.
Collins’ post defense is about an 8. JJ’s defense on most 2 guards is about a 7. So is Teague’s defense on PGs. Everybody else on the team are about average defenders at best. Smith is a premier help defender, which boosts his defensive importance on this team.
Covering for Bibby wasn’t the worst thing in the world, because we still usually found a way to win games. Now, we can’t defend people, nor score enough to win a game.
Back when Bibby was struggling, the obvious thing to do, was to either increase Teague’s minutes, or increase Jamal’s minutes at PG. Back then, I had no faith whatsoever in Teague, because he didn’t play confidently.
All I know is by trying to play everybody straight up, while good in theory, has made us an even worse defensive team.
It’s almost like the things that make most basketball teams good ( playing man defense and spreading the wealth on offense ), seems to be a detriment for us. For some reason, we play better and are a little more active when we’re switching and trapping . . and letting our best shot creators make the plays.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
3:22 pm
“Going from The Stinger to Nique is like going from Bibby to Hinrich.”
Going from Smitty to either one of them is like going from CP3 to Bibby or Hinrich.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
3:26 pm
“Lol @ Josh Smith talking about injuries derailing them the last 2 season.”
The owners use it as an excuse, the GM uses it as an excuse, the coaches use it as an excuse, so naturally the players do too.
As is the case with all the Hawks’ problems, it starts at the top.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
3:28 pm
“low release on his jump shot which needs to be fixed”
I wonder what the coaching staff has been doing with Teague for the past two years. Seriously. Aside from trying to bring out his “inner dog” have they actually worked with him on developing any aspect of his game? I can’t imagine a good coaching staff wouldn’t have had him work on changing his shooting motion by now.
Ken Strickland
April 12th, 2011
3:29 pm
Woodson consistently made a big issue about being all about DEF, and openly stated he didn’t give a damn about OFF. Yet, he stubbornly rode the backs of his 2 biggest DEF liabilities, MBibby and JaCrawford. Now, we’re getting the same lip service from LDrew about DEF, and based on his actions and decisions, OFF seems to be all that he cares about, which has failed so far.
I remember LDrew talking about how impressed he was with Pape Sy’s DEF before he played in the summer league. A couple of writers also acknowledged his excellent DEF during and after the summer league. We all saw glimpses of his DEF prowess in limited playing time recently, and well as his ability to penetrate and get the FT line.
All season long LDrew has given us nothing but lip service about how we need these attributes. Yet he’s insisted on playing VETERAN PG’s that are either slow, unathletic, past their prime, OFF limited, and/or DEF liabilities. And all we’ve gotten out of this in return is inconsistency, poor perimeter DEF, and limited OFF production.
Doesn’t Drew realize that no team is going to score a ton of pts in the playoffs, and that DEF will be the deciding factor in most gms?
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
3:41 pm
“All I know is by trying to play everybody straight up, while good in theory, has made us an even worse defensive team.”
Maybe this has changed in the last three days, but the last time I checked, the Hawks were 13th in defensive efficiency this season. Last year they were 17th.
Rufus1
April 12th, 2011
3:46 pm
“All I know is by trying to play everybody straight up, while good in theory, has made us an even worse defensive team.”-Northcyde
I think is more the reason for our defensive problems than Bibby> Kirk. Al’s help defense since Bibby left has been terrible and switching defensive philosophy after six years is hard.
Also, Bibby seldom guarded the best perimeter player and Kirk does.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
3:51 pm
About the Bibby vs. Kirk debate: I am in no mood to defend Kirk right now, since he has looked steadily more and more worthless since the first Chicago game when he played great, but in the interest of fairness a couple of things should be pointed out:
1) Like O’Brien noted, the Hawks’ schedule with Bibby was a lot easier than with Kirk. Presumably if they had played the same schedule, their numbers would be closer to each other.
2) On/off stats depend in large part on who takes a player’s place when he leaves the game. When Bibby left the floor, LD tended to go with Jamal at point guard, which generally hasn’t worked on either end of the floor. Since the trade, though, it seems like Teague has been used more often (although not to the extent I would like to see), and Teague at point guard seems to provide better results for this team. Perhaps this difference accounts for at least some of that difference as well.
With that being said, when the trade was made, I was expecting something close to the 2008 Kirk who played very good D against Wade in the playoffs and knocked down shots at the same rate as Bibby for his career. Instead, we seem to have gotten a washed up version of Kirk who is unable ot unwilling to stay in front of even the slowest point guards and can’t hit a shot or set up easy shots for his teammates on a consistent basis. Needless to say Kirk has so far been a major disappointment.
And with that being said, picking between Bibby and Kirk is like deciding whether you would rather get life in prison or the death penalty. The correct answer is that Teague should have gotten 20 mpg all of last year so that he could have displaced Bibby as the starter heading into this year. Teague > Bibby and Kirk.
drmaryb (*_-)
April 12th, 2011
3:58 pm
” For some reason, we play better and are a little more active when we’re switching and trapping . . and letting our best shot creators make the plays.”
-northcyde-
____________________
Apparently, Mr. Woodson had a computer and knew this as well.
He put these mis-fits in their best spots to play to their strengths.
He did that without all the necessary ingredients, and improved each year.
But, the best of fans complained. You will never hear me bash a coach, because, I just don’t know enough to be that person, I only know half of what I see on the court. That is way above my pay grade.
This roster is in dire need of a talent infusion/upgrade by any means necessary. No one is untouchable.
Where is a “Jimmy Johnson”, when you need one? He traded Herschel Walker for what seemed like 8 draft picks! And, the rest is Super Bowl History.
Mike Ditka tried to impersonate such greatness with
Ricky “Wedding Dress” Williams and that ended in a disastrous fatal world-wide tour of smoking “That Goode!”
______________________
Here’s my point: take a chance and trade something good to win something! The sum of parts are greater than individual pieces.
Rufus1
April 12th, 2011
4:00 pm
We needed a better coach at the trading deadline.
Ken Strickland
April 12th, 2011
4:01 pm
Here’s what puzzles me. Some of you complain about us being a jumpshooting team, and that our OFF is too reliant on ISO’s and shooting jumpshots. Then, at the same time, you fall into the same silly trap that LDrew has fallen into when it comes to JTeague.
You complain about, and focusing on, Teagues jumpshot, while ignoring that he brings a dynamic to our OFF that’s missing and sorely needed. How and where he releases his jumpshot is meaningless. What more do you want from a 2nd yr PG who’s been jerked around by 2 barely competent HC’s? CONSIDER THIS: TEAGUE/BIBBY
FG%-439%/435%, 2PT%-452%/427%, 3P%-370%/441%. I’ll take his shooting percentage, unusual jumpshot and release over what we’ve gotten from Bibby and Hinrich any day of the week.
Ck out this unbelievable Hawks fact
April 12th, 2011
4:03 pm
According to ESPN..this is what Joe Johnson makes in the next 6 years
$16,324,500
$18,038,573
$19,752,645
$21,466,718
$23,180,790
$24,894,863
The owners deserve to lose their butts if they are wasting money thisbadly. Belkin was right.. This kind of cash for a player that in no way is among the the Top 20 players in the league and who disappears every time you need him.
northcyde
April 12th, 2011
4:05 pm
Ken . . the only difference is that Bibby and Jamal were flat out oustanding offensively last year. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, the lineup that is a complete liability this year ( Jamal – JJ – Marvin – Smith – Horford ), was our 2nd best lineup last year.
And the lineup that was supposed to be a complete defensive liability ( Bibby – Jamal – JJ – Smith – Horford ), was overall our BEST lineup.
Both of those units had average to below average defensive ratings ( 108 ). But the offensive ratings for both of those units were 119 and 121
When Woody needed a more defensive oriented group, he went with the regular starting lineup.
Contrary to popular belief, Woody wasn’t crazy. He was just playing to his strengths. And the ish definitely worked, seeing that we beat every team in the league except Oklahoma City. It’s just unfortunate that his legacy is going to be the meltdowns in the 2nd round.
But Woody knew EXACTLY what this team could and couldn’t do. And he
stressed defense so much, because defense lost the majority of the games we did lose.
What Drew did, was change the offense and tried to enhance the value of everybody. Even on defense, he wanted for everybody to be more accountable. Like I said, that’s good in theory. But when people aren’t capable of playing at a high level on both ends of the floor, it does show that you may have to do something different.
Remember folks, the signs of this was seen right away in the preseason, with how horrible this team was playing. The 6 – 0 start to the regular season was thought to be proof that everything was cool. Then we promptly lose 7 of our next 9.
I know it’s hard to believe that Woody just may have been RIGHT about this team, but it’s high time that some of you come to that realization, no matter how much you hated his coaching, or his offense, or his defense, or his lack of ability to adjust.
He had sense enough to keep the ball in the hands of people who make plays . . and to create a gimmick defense that would keep us from being totally exposed on a nightly basis.
TheAntiMe
April 12th, 2011
4:17 pm
I’m willing to give the starters the benefit of the doubt about their lame effort going into the playoffs and am willing to believe that when the playoffs start that they will again put forth the effort that has clearly been A.W.O.L. for the past week or so. It is also encouraging to see that Josh’s knee seems to be improving.
The thing is, it’s going to take a whole lot more than effort if the Hawks are to make it past Orlando in the first round. It’s going to take:
* A strong effort on defense especially on the defensive boards against the Magic and Dwight Howard.
* Finding a way to screen out Howard on enough offensive possessions so that Al Horford and Josh Smith can get some points in the paint.
* Being able to rebound their defensive glass and push the ball on the break which will also help accomplish the previous point.
* Playing unselfishly on offense and making the extra pass for a good shot instead of just an OK shot.
* Cutting way down on the turnovers and protecting the ball like they were able to do well during the 2009 – 2010 season.
The Hawks have not been very successful in doing many of these necessary things since the start of February but they have shown in the past – albeit mostly last season – that they are capable of doing these things. I guess we will find out if it’s still possible for them to do these things very soon when the playoffs finally arrive and the starters Magically start caring again.
KevinM
April 12th, 2011
4:31 pm
Just because Bibby made us better than Hindrich (which is still hard to believe, and truly, how many games has Kirk had to fit in?), that still means that the Hawks still suck as far as being a contender. Neither guy is going to be a difference maker.
That trade tells us LD still has little use for Teague; Hindrich is going to have to get hurt to give Teague minutes. Say we win a series and Teague averages 20ppg…will LD find a way to give him credit?
Nope, he will show him and DNP the next time out.
drmaryb (*_-)
April 12th, 2011
4:33 pm
Pondering Thoughts!
Do any of the assistant coaches on this bench, or the staffed suits behind the bench have a role as “in game scouts” and, just as importantly -
Do they have a computer? If so, does Drew block out their opinions as he claimed Mr. Woodson did to him?
Rufus1
April 12th, 2011
4:34 pm
We need two thing s to happen….Joe and Kirk to make wide open shots and we will win. LD offense got Joe more open shots but his point are down….Crazy.
Grandad
April 12th, 2011
4:46 pm
I stated way back:
according to the (+/-) stats;
Bibby was our *best player.
*[best in that he was on the most/best 5 man combos]
—&—
*[he had the best (+/-) rating on the team. *(individual)
He still leads (as nc said):
best 5 man combo;
Bibby, Jamal, Joe, Josh & Al
Since the trade:
the best five man combo;
Teague, Joe, Marv, Josh & Al.
Proving I reckon;
that Marv is one of our five best and most reliable players ?
The Truth
April 12th, 2011
5:04 pm
I’ve taken a contrarian view about whether to start Teague over Hinrich. Actually I think Hinrich, for all of his shortcomings (and he has plenty) should continue to start but the difference however, I think Teague should finish with Hinrich on the bench cheering his teammates. The logic:
The 1st quarter seems to be a sizing-up period where opponents are doing more reading and measuring strengths and weaknesses as the games is more cerebral. Hinrich is fine as a facilitator and occasional scoring threat though he has shown to be very inconsistent on offense. His problem is that he is trying way too hard to prove his past merit (what every that was) and it has effected his performance. The Hawks need him to be a better ball defender and shoot less but be more aggressive, consistent and deliberate when making plays. Since the Hawks offense doesn’t evolve around him, he’s not hurting them as a starter.
It is the 2nd quarter and the 4th when the tempo of the game picks up and changes. This is when I want Teague in the game not Hinrich. Teague is more of a threat (offensively and defensively) coming off the bench than as a starter. As a starter, he’s in a straight jacket trying to facilitate to others while being forced to be submissive and yielding to his teammates as the 4th option. When we all complained about Teague lack of aggressiveness early this season, it was partially because of his undefined role. Now, Teague knows his role; “to be like Tony Parker” as his coaches told him. That’s a better fit off the bench. Yes his defense would be an upgrade over Hinrich as a starter, but the game is slower in the first quarter anyway.
Trust me, Nelson is not going off in the first quarter, he’s just a set-up guy. He’s going off near the end of the first half and in the forth. This is when you want your best defender on him, and that would be Teague not Hinrich.
MistaGamer
April 12th, 2011
5:09 pm
Northclyde,
Like I said, my problem with Woody was while he was preaching defense, he continued to go with what was NOT working in in-game situations. Some of that was arguably personnel contraints, but some of it “seemed” like pure stuborness. You can argue that Teague didn’t play enough and was just a rookie so you had no tell-tell signs of his effectiveness. But, that was Woody’s fault too.
What I can’t seem to get over with LD is that after a season of seeing what clearly seems to have been your best option at starting PG, he has paid too much lip service and done the exact opposite when it comes to Teague. The only thing that gets close to explaining his handling of Teague is either complete incompetence, or malice towards Teague. Both of which can be categorized as sheer incompetence.
If i really had a choice, after seeing a season with LD, is Woody as headcoach, IF he played Teague at point, and he had an assistant that excelled on the offensive end.
In other words, Dream On! lol
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
5:39 pm
Our better line is TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS.
as we have witness you have 2 have some one in the paint 2 do the dirty work and horford is not that guy, collins 7′0 tall take charges and defend his man from even coming close 2 rebounding, come playoffs if you defend and rebound you have a chance winning, right now the hawks are rank almost dead last in rebounding with josh, horford in the post, so that why the hawks can’t continue 2 keep playing him at center.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
5:40 pm
KevinM,
Co-sign.
Not sure why so many folks are talking about Bibby vs. Hinrich. Fact is, regardless of which one you throw in there, we’re not going anywhere.
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
5:40 pm
After our 2008 playoff exit against the Celtics, Woody took a page out of Tom Thibedau’s notebook and emplemented a “swarming” type defense to go along with the switching. This worked well for us the past two seasons. I mean, it works in general(Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are not great defenders…..neither are Korver/Boozer etc.)
Under L-Drew we have pretty much just played man Defense with no switching and no trapping(the trapping and swarming being the key issue) just man to man and the occasional Zone. I beleive that’s what Horford and Smoove have been complaining about…..nobody is helping one another out there. But what can they do? They are paid to run whatever Drew wants and thats what they do. I feel bad for the players sometimes because at the end of the day, they take more heat than the coach, when really it’s not their fault. I noticed this last season with Joe. PPL complain about him, but he just did whatever Woody wanted and never said a word. Unlike say, Lebron or Dwight who constantly have “meeting of the minds” with their Head Coaches. I’m not hating on LL, i’m just sayin’…
Woody wanted Smoove in the paint and eventually Smoove fell in line and last year we had our best season in a decade. This season, LD is not laying down the law with authority and smoove has to ask “Is this a bad shot coach?”. I am almost positive he never had to ask Mike Woodson that question. Smh
What Woody and Woody-Lite DO have in common, is their reluctance to play Young players EVEN IF they are leaps and bounds better than your veterans (EX :Teague/JC2 > Bibby Pape Sy > Marvin ) I mean how can you be that thick-headed? Even Stevie Wonder could see that Bibby/Marvin = Maximum Suckage
But because the ASG didn’t want to part with the necessary funds in order to aquire a competent Head Coach, we had to give up TWO first round Draft picks for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
If I was the GM, I never would have re-signed Bibby in the first place! Flip, Jamal, and Teague would be my guards sharing the backcourt with JJ. Marvin would be gone by now.
If I was our GM, I would have had JC1 & JC2 coming off the bench together causing nightmares for the opposition (and my coach would have had NO CHOICE but to play them or GET LOST!). Heck, I would have waived Bibby and paid the rest of his salary Shoot. Let him go to Miami, thats fine but I wouldnt lose sleep over it with Teague and JC2 on my roster.
Fire LD, and Get a real Coach!
Get us a new GM!
Sell the team to an owner who cares and has lots of $$$
Bring back that guy from Texas! We need a new owner ASAP!
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
5:42 pm
Horford must play powerford at all time rotate COLLINS, ZAZA at center the hawks will be okay.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
5:44 pm
I’m glad to see that most of you have “seen the light” in regards to Jeff Teague. That wasn’t the case when the trade first went down. PPL still wanted him to come off the bench like we have and actual shot at a Title this season….and even if we did it would have something to do with his play/potential. b/c like others have stated, Hinrich/Bibby aren’t getting anybody anwhere.
Booo!
April 12th, 2011
5:48 pm
Lol, in my 5:40 post “LL” is supposed to be “JJ” ha.
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
6:18 pm
It’s a sunny evening in the A
FIRE LD
JOEY1
April 12th, 2011
6:43 pm
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darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
6:45 pm
BOOO last night at the game, the second unit did the switch and lock down on defense, so maybe the hawks need 2 go back 2 switching, i don’t see why not because right now there defense of lately is the worst in the nba.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Choosen1
April 12th, 2011
6:53 pm
Im starting to think Josh Smith may cry from time to time but he’s no hoe. Even though his shot selection is suspect he’s not scared to take the a shot no matter who were playing. I feel put this dude on the block and run the offense through him (And he does find the open shooter when their open) you would have better chance at winning. And I would love to see Teague run the break with Smith and Williams(yes Marvin) filling the lanes. Everybody talks sh*t about Smith but each year when the post season starts who stands up (yup Mr Smith)
lewis
April 12th, 2011
7:01 pm
lol my brother was always telling me the switching D was underrated last year
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
7:05 pm
“the second unit did the switch and lock down on defense”
The second unit played zone for most of the 4th quarter. I guess in a sense a zone is just an elaborate switching defense, but what the reserves did yesterday would be more comparable to last year’s switching if they were doing it out of a base man to man scheme.
bigworm
April 12th, 2011
7:10 pm
hawks sign magnum rolle
Jae Evolution
April 12th, 2011
7:19 pm
Chris Webber was just on NBA TV giving respect to the Hawks…I don’t believe what I’m hearing the whole crew is giving us respect right now saying we can win the series, what is going on?
O'Brien
April 12th, 2011
7:36 pm
The problem with the Hawks wasn’t that they switched. The problem is when the switching was not working, Woody had no adjustments.
For example, the Bucks figured out the switching in game 3 of the playoffs, but Woody did not make an adjustment until game 6.
And when you’re playing the same team 7 games in a row, they will make adjustments (unless the HC is Woody).
So even if the switching worked in the regular season, LD would have had to make an adjustment in the playoffs.
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
7:38 pm
I said all offseason that switching was not the biggest problems. Now, I don’t think you can use it all the time but switching did dictate to the defense what to do, which was get a mismatch and try to go one on one. Essentially, the switching D turns teams into one on one players and not everyone has that. That’s why we were so good against the Celtics because the Celts aren’t built on one on one play. I am just annoyed and confused to what will really get this team to being a real contender other than a new coach, new GM, new owner, and some new BIG
Chris Paul and Trevor Ariza for Al Horford and Kirk Hinrich is the 1st trade I would make as new GM
PG Paul/Teague/
SG Joe/
SF Ariza/Marvin/Damien
PF Smith
C Waiting on Dwight/ Zaza/Collins
drmaryb (*_-)
April 12th, 2011
7:50 pm
Memorandum!
“Chris Webber was just on NBA TV giving respect to the Hawks…I don’t believe what I’m hearing the whole crew is giving us respect right now saying we can win the series, what is going on?”
_________________________
I’ll tell you what’s going on Jae Evolution. David Stern and ASKG probably sent a scathing MEMO to the NBA TV Crew and told them to lay up on beating down The Hawks. They got enough problems with the hostile home crowds cheering and chanting MVP for the opponent.
The constant berating of The Hawks is costing the NBA advertising dollars and TV Revenue. Besides, their paychecks are signed by an Atlanta based TNT Corporation. Money talks and BS walks!
_______________
That’s what’s up Jae … That’s my conspiracy theory.
Jae Evolution
April 12th, 2011
8:00 pm
There’s still a .1% chance that Chris Webber was being sincere and truthful about our franchise, I mean he did call out the ASG for being dumbasses when it comes to drafting and saluted our small frontline for going out with what we have, but who knows, right?
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
8:01 pm
Atlanta Hawks PER’s Ranked in Order
1. Al 20.9
2. Josh 19.3
3. Joe 16.6
4. Teague 14.7
5. Jamal 14.2
6. Marvin 13.6
7. Zaza 12.5
8. Kirk 12.4
9. Damien 11.2
For a horrible coach like LD this points to a problem that he is not capable of solving. We have 3 bigs with double digit PER’s. You need atleast 3, ALA Lakers, Bynum, Gasol, Odom. We need more than 2 WINGS in Damien and Marvin whom neither have a great PER. What we do not need is 4 GUARDS and it is hard to get PT for all 4. Teague is simply odd man out because of lack of experience which is no fault of his own. The correct way to handle this would be to move JJ to the SF position more often, making way for 3 Guards instead of 4. The only other correct way would be to limit Hinrich’s minutes who is the worse Guard and extend Teague’s minutes who is the 2nd best Guard behind JJ. Why has LD never even tried this to see if it works? Oops, sorry for asking a question that would insinuate that LD has a clue.
Gainesville#1
April 12th, 2011
8:11 pm
Charles Barkley called the hawks soft. With a capitol T
lewis
April 12th, 2011
8:13 pm
Barkley: “I can’t believe i’m sayin it, but the only tough matchup in the east is between the soft Atlanta Hawks and the Magic”
Kenny: “Soft?”
Barkley: “Yeah, they soft.”
CWebb: “You know what chuck, I actually think the Hawks can win this series. Actually, Imma say I think they will win this series. I don’t think the Hawks are soft. I think their organization put them in a position to get bullied every night without a big man. Al Horford? He’s not soft, he has to check Shaq. He’s really a 4. Smith, he’s not soft. Every night they go against goliath. I really don’t like the organization but these guys are tough, they play undermanned every night.”
lewis
April 12th, 2011
8:16 pm
yall can pay me later for the transcription
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
8:16 pm
I HOPE LD WAS LISTING 2 TNT, THE HAWKS ARE SOFT WITH JOSH, HORFORD, IN THE PAINT, please don’t be so dumb and stubborn as a head coach and starte josh, and horford at the 4, 5 get your out of the sand before 2012 LD.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
8:20 pm
Hawks are soft, and they are only because of woody and LD STUBBORNNESS ON NEVER PLAYING THERE BIG, HORFORD IS NOT A CENTER.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
8:22 pm
Hilton have look horrible but size do matter, it make a different on defense and toughness.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
8:30 pm
Quite an about-face there from C-Webb, a guy who picked the Hawks to miss the playoffs this year.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
8:32 pm
Hollinger designed the PER stat so that 15 would be a league average player. There’s a lot more to basketball than just fantasy stats, which is all PER takes into account, but it’s interesting that by that measure the Hawks only have three players who are above league average.
James on Pharr Rd
April 12th, 2011
8:38 pm
The Hawks are SOFT mentally. I cant imagine a less inspirational hierarchy of leadership from LD to the GM and management. If we win 2 games in that series, I will put up the 12 stacks Nique owes for his suits…… Seriously
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
8:42 pm
superiorblogman man i cosign that trade CP3, TREVOR FOR HORFORD, MARVIN, HINRICH
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
April 12th, 2011
8:47 pm
2011 STARTER CP3, JOE, TREVIOR, JOSH, COLLINS
and waiting on SUPERMAN ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
8:50 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
8:32 pm
Hollinger designed the PER stat so that 15 would be a league average player. There’s a lot more to basketball than just fantasy stats, which is all PER takes into account, but it’s interesting that by that measure the Hawks only have three players who are above league average.
Thanks for putting me up on knowledge. I never knew that there was more to basketball than fantasy stats. Without a doubt the calculation does have some significance. We all know Joe, Josh, and Al are the best 3 players and so does the PER. I think it carries some weight, in some cases more than most would like to admit and in some cases less.
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
8:53 pm
If CP3 was actually available, there isn’t a single player on this roster I wouldn’t trade for him, but I’d try to trade Joe before Smoove or Al.
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
9:03 pm
I am a supporter of the Hawks and not any particular player. That’s why I was so upset about that stupid Hinrich trade because it hurt any true Hawk supporter and some wanted to take up for Hinrich because of reasons I will not continue to mention. Next, the same attitude helped me come to a feasible conclusion that JJ is the last guy teams will want because of his contract, unless we are making a trade for Rashard Lewis, Arenas type. Lastly, Josh is more of a PF than Horford is a C, bottomline; I like Al’s professionalism over Josh but honestly Al is more of the problem so he needs to go unless we can some way come up with some more money to sign a legit C while keeping Joe, Josh, and Al.
lewis
April 12th, 2011
9:11 pm
I like Al over Josh for the long-term, seems less injury prone and reliant on pure athleticism.
But i agree Josh is more a 4 than al a 5
Rev in Tampa
April 12th, 2011
9:16 pm
northcyde, nortcyde, northclyde,
Great posts today. Thanks for all your effort in tracking down the numbers. It sheds light on what’s really happening. The nimbers don’t lie.
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
9:23 pm
Truth is, the Hawks are more than capable of winning that first round series against the Magic. They’re up on the Magic 3-1 this season. But, this isn’t an indication of how far the Hawks have come, it really says more about how Orlando has declined. Since their championship run a couple of seasons back, Orlando has steadily been on the decline. The addition of Vince didn’t get Orlando over the hump, it really actually hurt them. So they pull of a series of trades to revamp the roster and make it more competitive in the Eastern Conference. Although I salute the Magic management for realizing their team wasn’t good enough to compete in the rebuilt East, they still weren’t content with moving forward with a team they didn’t believe had a shot to contend. So they made the deals. Were they gauranteed to get the Magic over the hump? Nope. But did they do what we seem to do and roll out the status quo out there hoping for different results? Again, they didn’t. They took a risk, they were proactive, and they tried shaking things up. But, it hasn’t worked for them to the extent that they thought it would.
Again, if the Hawks do get past the team that whopped them in last seasons playoffs, but then go onto get whopped by another Eastern Conference powerhouse, it doesn’t mean the Hawks have vastly improved under Larry Drew. This is my biggest fear. Management assumes that because we get past Orlando, hiring Larry Drew was indeed a good move, because beating Orlando isn’t indicative of anything.
The Magic have slipped, we haven’t gotten any better.
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
9:24 pm
Truth is, the Hawks are more than capable of winning that first round series against the Magic. They’re up on the Magic 3-1 this season. But, this isn’t an indication of how far the Hawks have come, it really says more about how Orlando has declined. Since their championship run a couple of seasons back, Orlando has steadily been on the decline. The addition of Vince didn’t get Orlando over the hump, it really actually hurt them. So they pull off a series of trades to revamp the roster and make it more competitive in the Eastern Conference. Although I salute the Magic management for realizing their team wasn’t good enough to compete in the rebuilt East, they still weren’t content with moving forward with a team they didn’t believe had a shot to contend. So they made the deals. Were they gauranteed to get the Magic over the hump? Nope. But did they do what we seem to do and roll out the status quo out there hoping for different results? Again, they didn’t. They took a risk, they were proactive, and they tried shaking things up. But, it hasn’t worked for them to the extent that they thought it would.
Again, if the Hawks do get past the team that whopped them in last seasons playoffs, but then go onto get whopped by another Eastern Conference powerhouse, it doesn’t mean the Hawks have vastly improved under Larry Drew. This is my biggest fear. Management assumes that because we get past Orlando, hiring Larry Drew was indeed a good move, because beating Orlando isn’t indicative of anything.
The Magic have slipped, we haven’t gotten any better.
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
9:25 pm
My bad for the double posts. Computer acting stupid.
drmaryb (*_-)
April 12th, 2011
9:27 pm
“I like Al over Josh for the long-term, seems less injury prone and reliant on pure athleticism.”
________________
Al has more injuries than Josh – period! Josh came back about a month too soon from a MCL tear and has out-performed Al by a land slide.
Until now, I can not remember a Josh Smith injury – ever.
Wabe
April 12th, 2011
9:29 pm
At least there are people who can see that the Hawks are really plagued by a garbage owner/management.
JeJe
April 12th, 2011
9:45 pm
The Bulls are dominating the league, and Joakim Noah isn’t even healthy
So it’s basically D.Rose, Boozer (who I doubt is fully healthy) and a bunch of average players overachieving
We have a bunch of talented players who underachieve
Thibodeau >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Larry Drew
James on Pharr Rd
April 12th, 2011
9:49 pm
I am not sold on rebuilding our team with Horford. I think the reason our most valuable trading asset is Josh is the same reason I think we should keep him and start all over again. With every other player not names Smoove gone, his role can be streamlined under new coaching assistance. With Al, all you get is a durable player who lacks the talent to build on defensively and offensively.
JJ’s contract will be challenging to trade: the best scenario I foresee is a-like NY 3 years ago- trading one bad contract(s) for another until we can wither down to cap space or expiring contracts. But this takes time, and I dont see Atlanta as a destination for patient free agents like CP or Dwight in 2012
James on Pharr Rd
April 12th, 2011
9:51 pm
Josh is also more marketable and versatile. He got married recently, so am sure his maturity off the court can be reflected on the court soon
O'Brien
April 12th, 2011
10:39 pm
James,
If Josh plays to his strengths, I think he is more talented than Horford. The problem is, Josh has been in the league 7 years, and we are still taking about the same issues. Shot selection, whining to the refs, and focus.
How do we know that the right coach will control him and get him to play within himself? I think its a big risk. One thing we do know about Al, is he is more coachable (imo).
JeJe,
Boozer missed 24 games and Noah missed 35 games. But with Rose and Thibs, they have not missed a beat. Rose is the MVP, and Thibs got the players to buy in to his defense. LD could not convince the players to buy anything that he was selling. The only people who bought it were Rick and the ASG.
O'Brien
April 12th, 2011
10:43 pm
James,
As for trading JJ, one scenario Najeh discussed was trading him to New Jersey. They are under the cap, so we wouldnt have to take back equal salary, their owner is a billionaire and wont mind paying JJ, and if they dont get another big name player, they will probably lose Deron Williams in next year. Plus moving to Brooklyn, they need to be a better team.
I think if NJ strike out in the FA market, they might consider trading for JJ.
O'Brien
April 12th, 2011
10:53 pm
AJ posted this link on the other blog. Listen to Sekou and LD.
http://www.680thefan.com/audiovault/buck_and_kincade.php#/
Najeh Davenpoop
April 12th, 2011
10:56 pm
“The problem is, Josh has been in the league 7 years, and we are still taking about the same issues. ”
I think any comparison of Smoove and Al has to take into account the fact that despite having three more years of NBA experience, Smoove is only 6 months older than Al. As far as maturity and development and what not, I think that matters at least as much if not more than the years of NBA experience.
superiorblogman
April 12th, 2011
11:14 pm
Why do people equate things like marriage with maturity? Honestly, there is a situation close to me now with 2 people close to 40 married and acting like kids and this is a everyday thing. Married people can’t stay married because they disrespect there vows and can’t manage money. Marriage can not be equated to maturity.
Slimjr
April 12th, 2011
11:39 pm
Congrats to Chicago locking up home court throughout the playoffs after winning 20 of their last 22 games!!!!!! 61 wins…..impressive considering where they were at this time last year….
Jae Evolution
April 12th, 2011
11:45 pm
I find it remarkable that Dwight is so injury-resistant, look at some of the best C’s in the league, Yao, Oden (I guess?), Bynum, and Noah. All these guys have been injured a large part of their career.
I say this because it’s unfortunate that injuries have to happen and seeing Bynum go down just now could possibly hurt the Lakers chances of getting back to the Finals.
Slimjr
April 13th, 2011
12:01 am
That Bynum knee injury looks terrible!!! If he done so are the LAKERS…OKC anyone???????
Najeh Davenpoop
April 13th, 2011
12:20 am
Yeah, if Bynum has to miss a lot of time, I feel pretty good about the Thunder’s chances to come out of the West.
Grandad
April 13th, 2011
12:26 am
superiorblogman:
Marriage: all are differrent but for some of us…
marrying the “right” person can do wonders !
In some cases a marriage will only exacerbate
the situation whatever it may be.
So, marriage is not a recommended cure;
in and of itself, for whatever ails you.
It may not sound like it but I just agrred with you.
Grandad
April 13th, 2011
1:03 am
Sekou said it:
*[the problem is in the locker-room]
“when things don’t go right the Hawks do not play for one another”
* I [myself] have said before and say again:
“The Hawks don’t like one another”
What do they constantly say:
“we need to learn to trust one another”
*translation* = they don’t trust each other.
“we need to help on defense”
*translation* = you’re on your on.
“we don’t have each other’s back”
*translation* = perfidious, undependable, unfaithful,
disloyal, unreliable, nontrustworthy, double crossers
**In other words:
Our Hawks are not a Team !
Jay Dubu
April 13th, 2011
1:04 am
The East is wide open, and if the Hawks can get focus and play the way that they are capble of, they can make the finals.
The Magic is not as good as they were last year, and the Celtics are old, and miss the presence of a Big Man in the middle.
Just think most of the Hawks’ fans wanted them to sign Shaq, whose played in less than half the Celtics’ games, and is questionable for the playoffs.
The Heat and the Bulls iwll be the Hawks’ challenge, and they are both beatable.
I think the Hawks have a cance to advance to and past the 2nd round.
northcyde
April 13th, 2011
1:12 am
Actually . . . . Hinrich’s PER overall may be 12.3
But as a member of the Hawks, it’s 9.7
Bibby’s PER as a Hawk was 11.7
Grandad
April 13th, 2011
1:55 am
**Ding**Ding**Ding**
I Have Done It…I have Come Up With:
** ” The Solution ” **
Trade Joe Johnson -&- [egregious contract]
to: NY Knicks:
for: Chauncey Billups
Grandad
April 13th, 2011
1:57 am
addendum:
straight up = works on trade machine.
* this summer !
Grandad
April 13th, 2011
1:59 am
addendum:
straight up = works on trade machine.
* for this summer !
Buddy Grizzard
April 13th, 2011
2:08 am
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/27304/the-truehoop-networks-award-picks
Al Horford, All-NBA second team selection if TrueHoop network bloggers, including Hoopinion, were the actual voters for this award.
Joe Johnson does not appear on first, second or third team. Josh Smith does not appear on All-NBA defensive first or second team.
Buddy Grizzard
April 13th, 2011
2:20 am
Grandad I wonder if that trade can be completed before NY would have to exercise their team option. In that scenario, we could trade JJ’s contract, then not pick up Chauncey’s option and just erase the whole thing from our books.
superiorblogman
April 13th, 2011
5:03 am
With all due respect to Barkley who is a hall of famer what has he ever done to make someone think he is not soft? He never contributed defensively other than rebounding and is no tougher than Al or Josh in that matter. Defense is supposedly the hardest thing to do on a basketball court because it is the thing mostly about will. You can add Nique to that list, I never really heard anyone say that Nique used that great athletic ability to affect the defensive end. The truth is if you look back at old tape or film since there were no DVD’s defense was a afterthought. Teams today play much better defense and they are better athletes than back in the day. Seriously, the game would be better without guys like Barkley and Nique around to criticize players when they were both as soft as it comes considering they never excelled at the dirty work aka defense.
Buddy Grizzard
April 13th, 2011
7:14 am
You might have missed where Barkley, 6-5, posterized Hakeem, 7-0, by going so high to block his shot that he pinned the ball behind his head. Barkley was a beast of a rebounder, which takes hustle. Not saying he was the greatest defender but it took effort and physicality to overcome the limitations imposed by his height. I’m with you on Nique though… no effort on defense whatsoever.
O'Brien
April 13th, 2011
7:18 am
Slimjr,
The Bulls have wrapped up home court in the East, but they have the same record as the Spurs, with each team having 1 game left. If both teams end up with the same record, there will be a drawing to determine the tie breaker and home-court if they both get to the NBA finals.
Grandad,
According to MC, he thinks the players genuinely like each other OFF the court, but something happens on the court that changes them. That is why I think 1) we need a HC with no connection to these players (Uncle Larry cannot change them) and 2) The GM needs to shake up the roster.
As for JJ to NY, I think the Knicks would like that deal. That gives them 3 legit All-Stars with Amare, Carmelo and JJ. But if you’re the Hawks, you need more than an aging Chauncey who might have only 1 good year left. Knicks would have to throw in Landry Fields.
If Hawks make that deal, who would be your starters at PG and SG?
Buddy Grizzard
April 13th, 2011
7:25 am
That’s why I’m saying you cut Chauncey and don’t take the team option on the final year of his contract. By letting JJ go to the Knicks and not resigning Jamal, you get huge payroll savings. Would love to get Landry but the Knicks aren’t going to let him go. Starters next year: Teague, KH, Marvin, Smoove, Horford.
honest_abe
April 13th, 2011
7:38 am
barkley was a monster shot blocker in his early days. couldn’t have said it any better grizzard.
teague or hinrich? hinrich or teague? most of you like to think this will make some kind of difference in the hawks playoff chances. WAKE UP! this team is so discombobulated. none of the pieces fit. when the main star hasn’t bought into the coach’s system or the coach has set up a system that doesn’t seem to maximize production from his star the outcome is never pretty. jj doesnt’ fit in this super innovative, creative mastermind offense drawn up by LD. al is a way too passive. josh smith is just a knucklehead (anybody see that rebound and outlet pass in one motion against the heat?) hinrich needs a new pair of prescription goggles. or better yet learn how to shoot. marvin still hasn’t recovered from the pressure of being a 2nd overall pick… wobble wobble young fella
having said all that hawks still have a 50% shot of beating the magic in the 2nd round. the hawks have gotten worse since last year. while the magic have fallen on their face.
JoJo the Godfather
April 13th, 2011
9:17 am
NY won’t go for Joe unless they think there’s no way to get Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. If that becomes apparent, then a Billups (team option) & Turiaf (player option) for Joe might work. Billups vs. Joe in 2011/2012 salary is $4M+, but Turiaf can make up that difference.
The Game Has Changed
April 13th, 2011
10:23 am
OBrien-Why in the world would we trade Joe for Landry. How many games do you think Teague and Hinrich would win. Defintley not more than Bibby and Joe.
The Game Has Changed
April 13th, 2011
10:30 am
Well said Honest Abe- Dig this everyone. If we would have kept the same team and added a center, how many games would we have won? 60, easily. We could have the #1 overall seed in the playoffs. But noooo, everyone wanted to get rid of Woody. Im gonna start a campaign call “BRING WOODY BACK”
Booo!
April 13th, 2011
10:30 am
As you can see from this Vid (Teague Vs. Eric Gordon)
Teague (with the braids) relentlessly attacks the basket. We hve to put the ball in his hands and let him go to work. Let Al and Smoove clean up his misses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSKyfcjJUUI
Booo!
April 13th, 2011
10:33 am
DeAndre Jordan (LAC) is a UFA this summer. We need to go after him HARD. The potential lockout may help us accomplish this as well….somehow
brigadierjerry
April 13th, 2011
10:46 am
Since the eastern conference is set does anyone have their predictions for the first round?
I have Celtics over Knicks in 6 games
Bulls over Pacers in 5
Heat over Sixers in 5
and Orlando over Hawks in 6 games
J from the A
April 13th, 2011
10:49 am
@Booo!
DeAndre Jordan might be able to be had for the Mid-Level Exception, too, which makes obtaining him (without giving up other resources) a real possibility.
But if you were DeAndre and if you were being offered the maximum MLE contract from your current team, the Hawks, and several other elite or near-elite teams, would you chose the Hawks over, say, Boston or Orlando?
JuliusCesaer
April 13th, 2011
10:52 am
Trade Hinrich for Mike Bibby. Then trade Marvin Williams to the Washington Wizzards for Jordan Crawford. Lets put our team back together when they were dangerous amd one of the most feared teams in the eastern conference. Right now the hawks are soft and can easily be beaten by ANYBODY IN THE ASSOCIATION. The Hinrich trade has weakened the Hawks and made them DRAMATICALLY WORSE THAN ANYBODY IN THE NBA. We gave up Jordan Craford (21.9 points per game since the trade), Mo Evans (10.0 points per game since the trade) and Mike Bibby (14.0 points per game since the trade) for Kirk Hinrich (A WHOPPING 3.0 POINTS SINCE THE TRADE). This Hinrich trade along with making Joe Johnson the richest player in the NBA reminds you of the Jon Konckak years when the Hawks slid backwards and out of contention instead of winning titles that were available to them. Instead of the Dominique Wilkins and the Hawks winning the title, instead the Detroit Pistons went on to win them because the HAWKS MESSED UP THEIR SALARY INFRASTRUCTURE BY GIVING JOHN KONKACK SO MUCH MONEY JUST TO SCORE 2.3 POINTS A GAME. The Hawks never learned their lessons and thirty years later, now they did the same thing with Hinrich and Joe Johnson, by making those two players instant millionaires for mediocre productivity and repeated poor performances. THIS IS WHY THE HAWKS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL REMAIN AMONG THE BOTTOM-FEEDERS OF THE NBA.
Rod from College Park
April 13th, 2011
11:02 am
J from the A,
Hello my friend. I was so wrong about Hinrich huh? LOL
Booo!
April 13th, 2011
11:09 am
J from the A,
Yeah its a tough sell, If I were hawks management, I would pull a “Boston” JJ, Josh, and AL along with our HC should show up at his doorstep to pith the idea of being a starting center on a playoff squad.
Teague, JJ, Josh, Al, and Deandre….thats a nice lineup right there. If we ship Kik and Marvin outta here, we may have more $$$ to throw at him.
Booo!
April 13th, 2011
11:09 am
*Kirk
brigadierjerry
April 13th, 2011
11:54 am
Watching Rose last night and how he plays and other players like Westbrook and Tony Parker The PG position is changing. The big man, back to the basket post up game is getting faded out of the game and that could becuase of the scarcity of big man but the Playmaking-scoring guard is becoming more and more popular. See Tony Parker. I wouldn’t consider him a pure point, but he is a great driver and finisher around the hoop…not to mention he is maybe the fastest guard in the league. You have young guards like Rose and Wall who are lightning quick with the rock and are a threat in the open floor.
Assists are becoming less and less important with the ability for wing players like Melo, Durant, and LeBron who can handle the rock and can just ISO and score.
The game is changing…there is no doubt about that. Playmaking guards and wing players is what the league is turning out to be…no more back to the basket scorers.
JeJe
April 13th, 2011
12:24 pm
The only reason Smoove says we need ZaZa’s intensity is because he knows the rest of this team is soft like toilet tissue
FIRE LD
DON’T PLAY HINRICH TODAY
Mac-Town #maconchevyrider
April 13th, 2011
12:25 pm
JuliusCesaer
April 13th, 2011
10:52 am
Trade Hinrich for Mike Bibby. Then trade Marvin Williams to the Washington Wizzards for Jordan Crawford. Lets put our team back together when they were dangerous amd one of the most feared teams in the eastern conference.
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When were we one of the most dangerous and feared teams in the eastern conference? When we were gettin swept in humiliating fashion in the 2nd round each of the last 2 years???
We need a fix, but reverting back to whatever we were before the trade isnt it.
O'Brien
April 13th, 2011
12:27 pm
The Game has changed,
The reason JJ’s name is out there is because he is still owed 5 years, $104 mil, and we dont know if the ASG might decide to get out of his contract if they can.
Also, they will have to shake the team up (imo), so either Josh, Al, JJ or Marvin will have to be traded.
I MUS WRITE
April 13th, 2011
12:37 pm
O’brien let the shaking begin….No excuses this summer- 12 games worst and a first round exit should force Sund and the ASG to make changes. Hopefully they will start with LD -arrow suit man of the year….
Worldwide Clyde
April 13th, 2011
12:40 pm
FIRE LD
How many games will it take for the Magic to bet the Hawks?
sam'l
April 13th, 2011
12:48 pm
“How many games will it take for the Magic to be(a)t the Hawks?”
Logic says 4.
But anything can happen. Maybe Dwight Howard will get fed up and attack Stan Van Gundy.
Worldwide Clyde
April 13th, 2011
12:53 pm
I need some 5 dollars tickets for the playoffs. Time to make some phone calls.
The Game Has Changed
April 13th, 2011
1:08 pm
O’Brien-Joes contract is not the problem. Why do I keep hearing that. He is a top 5 or 6 point guard. He should be making top 5 or 6 money. He is having a down year and still averaging 18.5 a game. And thats with a mess up elbow and thumb. We have not addressed a simple problem in three years. Go after a center. We could have had Camby or Tyson. Instead of getting Woodson what he needed they fired him. The man could have won 60 games with a center. Hell, we won 53 last year without one. Instead of dismantling the team just go after a true center.
O'Brien
April 13th, 2011
1:20 pm
The Game has changed,
I’m not putting all the blame on JJ. Despite a down year and probably injured, he is still a top 5 SG.
But the Hawks and the ASG will not spend the money to keep all these guys AND still get a legit center. Remember, Rick has already said we will not go over the luxury tax, unless its for the right player (like LeBron).
I would like to see us get a center too, but it will have to come via trade. So I think either JJ, Josh, Marvin or JJ will have to be traded for us to get a legit center.
O'Brien
April 13th, 2011
1:23 pm
How about 6′7″ Dejuan Blair starting at center for the Spurs last night against the Lakers (Bynum and Gasol both played).
In 26 minutes, Blair had 12 pts and 11 rebounds. Thats getting it. The “co-worker” Al? I think he has clocked out and is waiting for the playoffs before he clocks back in.
newkid
April 13th, 2011
1:34 pm
MC, who there has responsibility for covering the Atlanta Dream, and what do you suppose it’ll take to have this person give at least modest attention to the Dream’s draft choices and the trade? Thanks
drmaryb (*_-)
April 13th, 2011
1:43 pm
Isn’t it Funny?
Isn’t it funny how we complain about Josh’s complaining re: bad calls and how we tout that he is too emotional, so let’s trade him for whatever we can get? (3 scrubs would do nicely, and we will never win with him in a Hawks uniform).
Yet, let’s go get Dwight Howard (whom I absolutely love), who plays off the charts with emotions!
Who is more emotional than MJ, KG, Barkley, Kobe – et.al (and others)?
Please stop with the nit-picking of Josh. He is our emotional warrior and and leader and plays with more heart than all his teammates combined.
Josh cares! Without him, this team has no pulse and no heart beat.
These refs ought to be ashamed of them selves.
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And, BTW stop saying Nique’ didn’t pay for some home-made suits!
This whack Rashan fella, has been shipping sample suits and shirts to NBA players unsolicited and then turns around and want to get “skully” with people who don’t return to sender, or bother to pay for shipping and handling to return these unsolicited gifts. If someone sent me a gift- card in the mail with a 12K credit line? Heck, I might use it too!
SMH
JuliusCesaer
April 13th, 2011
2:49 pm
Mac-Town #maconchevyrider: I am a huge hawks fan and i basically call it the way i see it. I still think the hawks are great but now Hinrich has to be on his game and I dont think he anywhere near the player he once was. A couple of weeks ago when the Hawks were approaching their last 10 games of the year and their final chance to win 50, all it took was for them to sweep through the remaining 10 games; with Orlando, Boston, San Antonio and Miami on the schedule. Of course that would have been a neat trick. The hawks were up for the challenge in the first two contests as they defeated ORLANDO and BOSTON consecutively. Of course they could have won the remaining 8 games and went into the playoffs with the most momentum of any team, but unfortunately it didnt happen. The hawks went on to lose to Indiana, Houston, San Antonio and Miami and ruined their chances to win 50. The hawks could have won those games had they been playing solid basketball and continued being HOT. Of course they cooled off and lost four in a row to have the pathetic record that they currently have. QUIT HONESTLY, THE HAWKS DONT DESERVE TO BE IN THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE ASSEMBLED A TEAM HERE AT PHILLIPS ARENA (highlight factory) THAT CAN WIN THE NBA TITLE THIS SEASON BY PLAYING OUT OF THEIR MINDS.