Atlanta Hawks: Wizards 115, Hawks 83

WASHINGTON–You kinda get the feeling the Hawks really aren’t buying into this momentum for the playoffs thing.

  • “Kinda get the feeling?” L.D. said. “That’s one of the biggest challenges of a coach when you get in these situations with a spot sealed up. The mindset for some players in this situation is the games have no meaning.”
  • “Guys were really just going through the motions out there,” Al said.
  • Since the Hawks have made it clear they really don’t care about these games, the question is whether they can suddenly turn it on for the playoffs.
  • “I honestly don’t know because you have to have some type of momentum going into the playoffs,” Al said. “Even if you are not winning you have to be playing well. I think we were doing that about a week ago and these last two games we just kind of laid down.”
  • “I hope so,” J.J. said. “Honestly, I don’t know. It’s been pretty much unacceptable the last two games. I can’t really just pinpoint one thing. We just haven’t been playing hard. We have got to try to get back on track on Monday.”
  • “We are going to have to at the end of the day,” Marvin said. “Starters and subs, we are going to have to put it together defensively. We’ve been to the playoffs before. We’ve won first rounds before. Obviously are goal is bigger than that this year but we know what it takes. I think when it is time to go people will really be focused in.”
  • “I am not very confident at all,” L.D. said. “I have been in this situation before, having been in the league a long time. You can’t just flip the switch. It just doesn’t work like that. You want to carry momentum as you finish the regular season as you move into the playoffs. I’ve been around this thing long enough to see that you just can’t turn it on and turn it off. You want to be playing well, you want to be clicking.”
  • The Hawks are locked into the five seed. They were without Smoove and Twin.The starters didn’t play their usual minutes again.
  • I will see those excuses and raise you the Wizards playing five rooks among their 10 players, with there D-League refugees among them. Also note that the Hawks took their fourth 30-point L of the season and are now -48 in point differential despite their 44 Ws.
  • Believe it or not, the Hawks say they actually planned to do something tonight. “We wanted to come out and try to get some kind of rhythm, chemistry,” J.J. said. “These last few games it doesn’t seem like we’ve got it.”
  • Not much worth mentioning about the Hawks in this game.
  • Teague was aggressive. Jamal had a decent scoring run. Pape Sy scored his first NBA points. Al got some rebounds (though a Wiz guard named Othyus Jeffers got more). Joe was going hard to the hole again. Hilton Armstrong has awful hands.
  • JC2 got into early foul trouble trying to check Joe. When he came back he was in playmaking mode instead of his usual shoot-at-every-chance posture. Mo was 5 for 5 with three dunks, a tip-in and a layup.
  • “Every time somebody gets traded, you always want to try to help them go at that team,” Andray Blatche. “That’s pretty much what we did. We tried to let them go out and have fun and tried to beat [Atlanta] as bad as we could.”
  • Add Andray Blatche talking mess to the list of indignities for the Hawks.
  • “In our league no matter how good or bad you are, there is a point in the game where you might say ‘tonight is not the night,’ and I think that is what happened for them,” Flip Saunders said.
  • It’s happened a lot to these Hawks even when the games matter, so even though this one didn’t it’s still not a good look.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

255 comments Add your comment

Jae Evolution

April 9th, 2011
11:10 pm

Teague is a good player that needs PT to develop, but you look at what Ty Lawson is doing right now (1 pick before Teague) 37 Pts. 7 Boards, 6 Assists 10-11 for three, was 10-10 at one point before he threw up a half court heave.

Booo!

April 9th, 2011
11:11 pm

I would Start Teague, Pape, JJ, Smoove, and Horf

JJ needs to go back to his pheonix days as a spot-up shooter. Sy and Teague are good defenders who slash and draw fouls. It’s aout balance. All that (Jumpshooting)offense isnt needed in the starting lineup.

Nique can shut up! That was a good pass by Teague. Teage made the EXACT same play the next trip down and Pape went to the line! Didn’t hear a peep out of nique after that one though!

Fire LD!

Free The Teague!

Freee Pape Sy!

Wabe

April 9th, 2011
11:11 pm

The momentum vs. rest issue should pretty much be put to rest.

There’s no point risking further injuries for games the guys aren’t even trying to win. Just log them minimal minutes if you must and just keep guys that need the rest (JJ) resting.

Wabe

April 9th, 2011
11:16 pm

Jae Evolution

April 9th, 2011
11:10 pm
“Teague is a good player that needs PT to develop, but you look at what Ty Lawson is doing right now (1 pick before Teague) 37 Pts. 7 Boards, 6 Assists 10-11 for three, was 10-10 at one point before he threw up a half court heave.”

Ok, but you look at how many minutes Lawson logged last year compared to Teague, and you’ll see he’s had more time to develop and acclimate himself to the pro game. You also look at Lawson’s minutes this season compared to Teague’s, and its the same deal.

Fact is, if Lawson was here, he’d be getting the same type of treatment Teague’s been receiving from the coaches. It has little to do with the player at this point, because Teague has shown more than enough flashes to earn more minutes. IMO, he’s shown more since the Hinrich deal than Hinrich has, but he’s not gonna get the nod over Kirk.

Also, look at the confidence Karl has shown in Lawson and compare that to the lack of confidence Woody/LD have shown in Teague. Teague’s had good games this season, but that still doesn’t lead to more minutes whereas Karl has Lawson starting since Billups left. Both teams traded away their starting PG’s, both teams received an adequate stop-gap PG, but the difference is, Denver’s letting Lawson loose while Teague’s still plugged in behind every guard on our roster.

Worldwide Clyde

April 9th, 2011
11:17 pm

Blame it on the Fans

Worldwide Clyde

April 9th, 2011
11:18 pm

Blame it on Teague

Worldwide Clyde

April 9th, 2011
11:19 pm

Blame it on Jeje

Worldwide Clyde

April 9th, 2011
11:20 pm

Blame it on Nique’s vocabulary

Wabe

April 9th, 2011
11:21 pm

Point blank, the Hawks from ownership to management to coaching are a joke.

The ownership can’t get their act together.
Management has absolutely no plan.
And the coach always seems to be coaching to save his job.

Thus, you have no real developmental process in place to get these rookies/youngsters up to par. This team has always been frustrating, but I have the feeling that for most Hawks fans, this season’s the season where we’re seeing right before our eyes that this team may have very well hit the ceiling. That’s why you have so many disgruntled fans who are disgusted with this operation in general. We talked back and forth about the JC2 deal for weeks, and even had some backlash from others on this blog. Some suggested that fans needed to ‘move on’. But, I say to them, move on to what? Where’s this team ‘moving on’ to? We’re in the same boat we were in last year, but it seems we’re sinking much quicker this time around. The way management continues to operate this club paired with the abysmal coaching job make this franchise as frustrating as can be.

Jae Evolution

April 9th, 2011
11:22 pm

Wabe I’m not in anyway saying that Teague won’t be or is better than Lawson, Ty was drafted into a perfect situation. He had a heady veteran willing to teach him all aspects of the game, and a coach that was willing to give him the ropes for extended minutes every game.

Teague has shown flashes of brilliance when given the chance, but until he consistently gets set minutes and we hire a coach that isn’t a clone of the previous Teague is stuck in basketball purgatory.

Worldwide Clyde

April 9th, 2011
11:25 pm

Everytime the Hawks get blown out they wanna blame it on everything but themselves.

FIRE LD
FIRE SUND

Worldwide Clyde

April 9th, 2011
11:27 pm

I hope Magic fans come out and support their team when they play at Philips Arena. I have a feeling there will be plenty of seats available.

UGA

April 9th, 2011
11:28 pm

This is Drew’s fault in some ways, if we have injuries………let them heal up. These games have no meaning. They should have sat this weekend, played vs Miami, then sat vs Charlotte.

Worldwide Clyde

April 9th, 2011
11:30 pm

I told yall Woody is calling the shots from his living room.

FIRE LD
FIRE SUND

Wabe

April 9th, 2011
11:31 pm

I was at a point earlier in the season where after the countless lopsided defeats, I’d be mentioning how the Hawks just needed to blow this ish up, lose 50+ games, and try to land a stud through the lottery. Because truth is, management isn’t gonna get the players needed to take this core over the top. Jamal Crawford and Kirk Hinrich are guys you can add to the mix, but neither is gonna get this team over the top.

When management needed to act over the summer, when they needed to make moves to bolster the level of talent, when they saw everybody else in the East upgrading, we sat idle.

Then we things aren’t going so well, Sund pulls off a desperate move to get Hinrich in here. Truth is, Hinrich doesn’t bring anything that’s leaps and bounds better than what Jeff Teague brings to this team. The fans know it, and even the players feel it. You wouldn’t have Horford coming out in support of Teague and suggesting lineup experimentation if they didn’t feel that way.

The problem is, you have a knucklehead for a coach who didn’t experiment with Teague when it was clear we needed better PG play when Bibby was here. He’s the one who said we needed a defensive prescence at PG, but he didn’t even bother giving Teague some go. They were set on getting a PG in here, option A (Harris) + B (Sessions) failed, and they settled on option C (Hinrich) which really isn’t too much better than what Teague offers.

Bottom line, I went into this season in hopes that LD would actually give Teague the go. He didn’t get the go from the start, he played the “he’s gonna have to earn it” bullstuff. Fine. But then it became obvious that LD didn’t plan on utilizing Teague any differently than Woodson did, he pretty much lost me. Teague had to earn it, but Bibby who you let go because he wasn’t cutting it got the nod game after game.

Bum.

Wabe

April 9th, 2011
11:31 pm

Co-sign Jae.

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:32 pm

Miami by fifty!

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:33 pm

The Fat Lady just got out of her chair and stood up!!!

drmondo

April 9th, 2011
11:34 pm

This is why most of the fans have given up any real hope in this team. The management’s one of the worst in sports. The bargain-basement coaching staff can’t get talented players to win consistently. They beat a good team then get blown out by a bad one. I’ll be suprised if every playoff game at home’s a sellout. Who can really get behind this team?

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:35 pm

The Heimlich had 3 pts????? Great trade…….

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:37 pm

Lottery team next year…Maybe?

moboman

April 9th, 2011
11:37 pm

Teague will never be Ty Lawson. No upper body, no jumper. We shoulda traded him and kept JC2. Speed only takes you so far. This team lost its soul when Bibby left. They dont look like they have a clue now. What our record since he was traded. Defensive liability perhaps, but offensive floor leader. And someone who could shoot.

Shoulda given them Teague, taken hinrich, kept JC2. We got the steal of the draft in JC2 and then gave him away for NOTHING.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 9th, 2011
11:39 pm

I posted this on the previous blog, but I’ll ask here again:

If you woke up from a long, Rip Van Winkle-like nap today and learned about the existence of the NBA for the first time, and you could either be a fan of the Hawks or Wizards, which one would you choose? The team that is currently a playoff team but is probably stuck in 45 wins/first round blowout mode for the foreseeable future, or the team with a budding superstar in John Wall, another high lottery pick coming this summer, and plenty of other young talent to build around?

northcyde

April 9th, 2011
11:42 pm

I was watching ESPN Coast to Coast, and when they showed a few minutes of the Spurs game, their announcers wondered what a re-seeded NBA playoffs would look like? They wondered if some of the lower seeded West teams could come out of the East and challenge those teams, even win it. One of the guys even mentioned something about going to a 1 – 16 seed format.

So how would that look?

1) San Antonio
16) Indiana

8) Orlando
9) Denver

4) LA Lakers
13) Atlanta

5) Miami
12) Memphis

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3) Boston
14) New York

6) Dallas
11) New Orleans

7) Oklahoma City
10) Portland

2) Chicago
15) Philadelphia

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Would this be a better playoff format, than the one we have now? Houston, Phoenix, and Utah would be the equivalent of “bubble teams” that didn’t make it. All 3 would miss out because they didn’t finish in the top 8 in the West.

Both Phoenix and Utah have better records than Indianapolis, but wouldn’t make it under the current system.

Philly, in a true “16 best teams make the playoffs” format, would be #16, while Houston would be #15. But under this system, Houston wouldn’t make it at all.

LOL @ the LA vs ATL matchup in Round 1. That would be the nightmare scenario for us . . but a series that could really electrify Atlanta, if we were really competitive.

I tell you what. In the 1 – 16 format that I laid out, I would really like the Thunder’s chances to make it out of that bottom bracket and get to the NBA Finals. And the Lakers could easily come out of that top bracket.

If it was anything that came out of the “new NBA”, I would definitely like to see the 1 – 16 seeded matchup, just to make the playoffs less predictable. But the reason why they won’t, is because of the travel. Either that, or every playoff series would have to go 2 – 3 – 2,

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:42 pm

Looks like the Wizard are a much tougher match up for Orlando???? The Hawks certainly arent….The brooms are leaning against the walls of Phillips….

mykhalc

April 9th, 2011
11:47 pm

tick…tick…tick…KA BOOM!!! in fact, self-combustion is already occurrin’ with this bunch of ‘ain’t got it…don’t want it…and ain’t tryin’ to find it’ non-professionals!!! from the top down…blow ‘em up PLEASE!!!

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:49 pm

Man those Denver Fans are Lucky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:50 pm

Destroyed by a bunch of D-leaguers?????????????

Wabe

April 9th, 2011
11:51 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

April 9th, 2011
11:39 pm
“I posted this on the previous blog, but I’ll ask here again:

If you woke up from a long, Rip Van Winkle-like nap today and learned about the existence of the NBA for the first time, and you could either be a fan of the Hawks or Wizards, which one would you choose? The team that is currently a playoff team but is probably stuck in 45 wins/first round blowout mode for the foreseeable future, or the team with a budding superstar in John Wall, another high lottery pick coming this summer, and plenty of other young talent to build around?”

Interesting. Truthfully, I see your scenario no differently from what I’m envisioning the Hawks doing if they get whopped in these upcoming playoffs. Blow it up, lose 50+ games, and rebuild through lottery picks. Truth is, nobody wants to see the same act over and over again. At least with a young team, you have a level of excitement and uncertainty. With the Hawks, all seems certain but how much they’ll get whopped by. That’s why, I’d be much more intrigued with the thought of building around a young core, which is why I get so upset we don’t let our young guns get on the court.

But to answer your question, if I had to choose right here right now based on my feelings of the Hawks, Washington without a doubt. You have your PG of the future, the catalyst. You have a young bigs in Blatche and McGee. Now just sprinkle in a wingman and some depth and give them time to grow and I think down the road you’re looking at a solid squad.

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:52 pm

The six year experiment has run its course..
Shop the whole team???????????????

Jae Evolution

April 9th, 2011
11:52 pm

Najeh, if the Wizards somehow get Derrick Williams in the draft, I’ll jump on that bandwagon this offseason.

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:53 pm

Al for McGee..Shot blocking /Rim Protector!!!! Lots of up growth!!!

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:56 pm

Hawks defense=ole

moboman

April 9th, 2011
11:56 pm

josh for mcgee.

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:57 pm

Marvin for JCII

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:58 pm

Josh for Rudy Gay

Slimjr

April 9th, 2011
11:59 pm

iso for Dwill

northcyde

April 9th, 2011
11:59 pm

Washington is in the same position we were in 4 years ago. Many Hawks fans thought that Josh Smith was a budding superstar, let them tell it . . and still tell it. JJ was an All-Star. Horford was the high lottery pick.

The Hawks, with competent management, could’ve at least be at the level we were at last year, with a better playoff showing. Meanwhile, it may take Washington 3 – 4 years to even get to the 50 win level.

LOL . . even the Trio of Arenas – Jamison – Hughes/Butler never won more than 45 games in a season. And Gilbert was considered to be a top 10 – 15 player in the league at one point.

The Hawks could very easily be a “core trade” away from getting to that next level, whether the player traded is JJ, Smith, or Horford.

northcyde

April 10th, 2011
12:04 am

Just keep in mind what Washington had to endure, in order to get to this point.

- the total destruction of their “core” receiving basically nothing in return but capspace, overpaid players
- 3 consecutive sub 30-win seasons
- 2 coaching changes

This isn’t a “voila” type situation in which the situation changes overnight. Washington had to go through hell and back, and still may have 2 more season of non-playoff basketball, even before they reach our 45 win level of mediocrity.

And there’s no guarantee that any of those guys will turn out to be superstars. All-Star maybe. But Superstars? Nah. Wall is not Isaiah Thomas.

Give me the mediocre playoff team any day of the week. At least then you can hope you can get it done in the playoffs, than to hope you even make it to the playoffs.

O'Brien

April 10th, 2011
12:04 am

Maybe the Wizards will be on the path that the Hawks were on a few years ago. Young team, maybe sign one established FA, and let the team grow together.

The Hawks did it, but it took 4 years to get over .500. OKC did it in less time (but they got their draft pick right), and the Wizards might get it in less time if they can get one big name FA.

Freshmaker

April 10th, 2011
12:05 am

Slim do you ever shut up? lol…

Worst poster on here by far.

northcyde

April 10th, 2011
12:06 am

I seriously doubt that Memphis fans would trade their team for the “hope” of Steph Curry and Monta Ellis.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 10th, 2011
12:06 am

“Najeh, if the Wizards somehow get Derrick Williams in the draft, I’ll jump on that bandwagon this offseason.”

That’s the scenario I’m thinking about. If they get Derrick Williams, they have Wall, Williams, and McGee anchoring that team, with Jordan Crawford playing a role and Blatche as either possible trade bait or as the starting PF. To me, Wall and Williams have a higher ceiling than anyone on the Hawks.

“Washington is in the same position we were in 4 years ago. Many Hawks fans thought that Josh Smith was a budding superstar, let them tell it . . and still tell it. JJ was an All-Star. Horford was the high lottery pick.”

Wall (the Wizards’ future star) has a much higher ceiling than Joe, Smoove, or Al ever did, and plays point guard, which is a much harder to fill position than shooting guard. Considering how important stars are in the NBA, that alone makes their future a lot brighter than the Hawks’ future ever was after the ‘05 and ‘06 draft misfires.

Freshmaker

April 10th, 2011
12:07 am

Yeah North, that’s a great point. The Hawks already went that route several years ago and got the #2 pick. Just took Marvin with it. SMH

O'Brien

April 10th, 2011
12:07 am

As for the game tonight, the inmates are running the asylum. LD has preached accountability all year, and he couldnt get the players to buy in when the games were meaningful (and he did nothing about it), so what makes him think he can get them to buy in when the games are meaningless?

LD has no control over the players. And unless we win our first round matchup, I think he should be fired.

I havent looked at the numbers, but during the years when we won 13, 26, 30, and 37 games, did we have any 30 point losses? Maybe someone knows that answer (I’m too tired to look it up now).

But 4 in one season is unacceptable. Clyde, you might need some extra T-Shirts…

O'Brien

April 10th, 2011
12:09 am

And by the way, I am a fan of Hinrich. But with each passing game, more doubts start creeping in….it will be interesting to see what he does in the playoffs..

Najeh Davenpoop

April 10th, 2011
12:09 am

“- the total destruction of their “core” receiving basically nothing in return but capspace, overpaid players
- 3 consecutive sub 30-win seasons
- 2 coaching changes”

We went through that too. The difference is, when our team had a chance to draft their franchise-altering star, they picked Marvin Williams instead.

Buddy Grizzard

April 10th, 2011
12:15 am

Continued from previous…

“Benching (Bibby) but retaining him would NOT have solved that problem.” – Sautee

I fail to see your logic here. If Bibby is not playing significant minutes, does that not quell the rebellion? Seems like you are agreeing with me… the only way to keep Bibby off the floor was to take LD’s option to play him away.

If LD just starts Teague, we still have JC2 and our pick for this year. All he had to do was be honest and admit that Bibby was done. But he has a personal problem with Teague. Thus we lose two first round picks and take on KH who hasn’t been “much” of an upgrade over Bibby.

“if they decide to get rid of JJ, and trade him to a team thats under the cap like NJ or Minny, I think it will be tough to get good players in return.” – O’Brien

Not looking at anything on their roster. Looking at an unprotected lottery pick in 2012.

O'Brien

April 10th, 2011
12:17 am

Since the Hawks have made it clear they really don’t care about these games, the question is whether they can suddenly turn it on for the playoffs.

“I honestly don’t know because you have to have some type of momentum going into the playoffs,” Al said.

J.J. said. “Honestly, I don’t know. It’s been pretty much unacceptable the last two games. I can’t really just pinpoint one thing..

I think JJ and Al are very confused, and dont know what to expect from players or coaches on a game to game basis. And I think it all starts with the coach.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 10th, 2011
12:18 am

The Wizards acquired the Bulls’ first round pick in last year’s draft in exchange for agreeing to take on Kirk Hinrich’s salary. They then traded Kirk to the Hawks this year for the Hawks’ 2010 and 2011 first round picks. That’s three first round picks they acquired in exchange for having Kirk’s salary on the books for a half a season. In the meantime, they used their own first overall pick to select a guy who will probably play point guard for them for the next 10 years and will be at worst the poor man’s Derrick Rose.

The Hawks, on the other hand, over the last few seasons, have traded a) a second round pick for Anthony Johnson, b) a first round pick for Mike Bibby, and c) two first round picks for Kirk Hinrich. That’s three first round picks and a second round pick used up on acquiring stopgaps, not long term solutions, at the point guard position. And the guy who might actually be the long term answer at point guard sits on the bench, neglected by coaches who refuse to give him the playing time needed to develop him.

Pretty sad when a lottery team can show your playoff team how it’s done when it comes to managing assets.