Atlanta Hawks: Practice report

Adding to the notebook that appears in print . . .

  • Al is of the mind that if he’s going to play, he might as well play his regular role: “We need to stay sharp. Being honest, one game sitting out, I don’t think it’s a bad idea. Especially Joe; he has little nick-nacks. He is not going to say anything but I know it would be good for him to get some rest. But at the same time we need to be in rhythm so I can understand why [L.D.] maybe just wants to reduce minutes. But we are still trying to win games.”
  • Twin and Smoove also suggested Joe is hurting more than he’s letting on, which obviously wouldn’t be the first time. Both mentioned the elbow could still be an issue. J.J. still frequently ices the right thumb.
  • Josh on he and Joe playing with nagging injuries: “Certain people have a high threshold for pain. We’d rather be out there playing than dealing with that training table and rehab. I think that’s more of a pressure. You really do more things doing that than on the court. So you’d rather be out there helping the team and contributing. But we understand that right now we have to get healthy. Especially Joe because he’s our offensive leader.”
  • Josh said he would play Monday against the Heat: “That’s a good game to come back to.”
  • Twin on the ankle: I will be all right. Injuries are a part of the game. I will be OK. I have had lots of sprained ankles in my basketball career and this is another one on the list.”
  • L.D. on his reaction to Twin going down: “I was very concerned. I am just glad that he got right back up. We all know that he is going to be a very important piece in the first round against Orlando, as all of my bigs will be. We hope we can keep guys as injury-free as we possibly can.”
  • Drew on the Hawks being two games shy of the franchise record for road Ws: “I was not aware of that but I think our team has accomplished some things on the road. We’ve shown spots of showing how to play on the road and with some consistency. These last four games I don’t want to change anything. I want to do what’s been good to us: control tempo, take care of the basketball, and the shot selection has to be good. Normally when we do all three of those things, that’s been the big reasons we’ve had success on the road.”
  • Drew on the Teague-Hinrich backcourt: “I like it. With both of those guys out there, in Jeff I have speed, I have quickness and a guy that can really get up and harass the ball. That’s one of his strengths defensively. Offensively, [it's] his ability to get in the paint. So any combination with Jeff out there with Jamal or Kirk or even Joe I think it’s good for us. From what I have seen, both Jeff and Kirk play off each other pretty well, too. So that’s something we could see down the stretch.”
  • Teague on playing alongside Hinrich: “It’s a lot easier. Defensively, you know he’s going to have your help and I am going to have his back. He’s easy to play with. He passes the ball and gets everybody involved. It makes your job a lot easier when you know a guy is willing to give up the ball. He’s a good player.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Jae Evolution

April 7th, 2011
9:03 pm

Has anyone been hearing of Bismack Biyombo, this guy is apparently tearing up scrimmages.

He’s 6′9 with a 7′7 Wing span, from the Congo averages about 2.5 BPG he is virtually an Ibaka clone.

Scary potential. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QFlV3Xn18

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
9:23 pm

“Teague on playing alongside Hinrich: “It’s a lot easier. Defensively, you know he’s going to have your help and I am going to have his back. He’s easy to play with. He passes the ball and gets everybody involved. It makes your job a lot easier when you know a guy is willing to give up the ball. He’s a good player.””

LOL, Teague just lost his credibility with superiorblogman. ;-)

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
9:25 pm

MC,

So any clue as to who will suit up tomorrow?

Michael Cunningham

April 7th, 2011
9:28 pm

@Sautee: “MC, So any clue as to who will suit up tomorrow?”

from what Drew said, sounds like all of the regulars will play some.

Najeh Davenpoop

April 7th, 2011
9:28 pm

“Drew on the Teague-Hinrich backcourt: “I like it. With both of those guys out there, in Jeff I have speed, I have quickness and a guy that can really get up and harass the ball. That’s one of his strengths defensively. Offensively, [it's] his ability to get in the paint. So any combination with Jeff out there with Jamal or Kirk or even Joe I think it’s good for us. From what I have seen, both Jeff and Kirk play off each other pretty well, too. So that’s something we could see down the stretch.””

Taking into account LD’s track record, I take this to mean we will never see the Teague/Kirk back court again.

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
9:31 pm

MC,

But not Josh or Twin?

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
9:38 pm

MC,

OK, saw your last tweet.

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
9:41 pm

“Taking into account LD’s track record, I take this to mean we will never see the Teague/Kirk back court again.”

LOL Najeh, unless JJ and Jamal each have two fouls early in the second quarter. ;-)

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
9:42 pm

No, I take that back. LD would probably use Marvin at the 2 instead of playing Teague.

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
9:44 pm

So maybe if JJ, Jamal, Marvin AND Damien ALL have two fouls early in the seciond quarter LD would MAYBE play Hinrich and Teague together.

Geez.

Paradise Lost

April 7th, 2011
9:47 pm

Oh, come on Najeh and Sautee, LD said “down the stretch.” Did you not understand that to mean after this season, if there is a new coach, if there is not a lockout and if JT0 is still here in 3 years? Because this season’s “stretch” is 4 regular games and…trying so hard to be optimistic here…

Paradise Lost

April 7th, 2011
9:52 pm

“So maybe if JJ, Jamal, Marvin AND Damien ALL have two fouls early in the seciond quarter LD would MAYBE play Hinrich and Teague together.”

I’m trying to imagine how precisely the stars would need to align in order to see that much passion and aggression out of any 4 Hawks players all at once.

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
9:53 pm

P-L,

Thanks for trying.

Melvin

April 7th, 2011
9:56 pm

Jae,
Bismack is not a bad looking prospect but dont you think the Hawks have enough of 6′9 guys already?

Melvin

April 7th, 2011
9:57 pm

MC,

What about Pape? Did LD mention rather he will play over the next 4 games. Have you seen him play in pratice? If so, what do you think of him?

Melvin

April 7th, 2011
10:00 pm

Rose has been all over the court against the Celtics tonight. Does that make Rondo a bad defensive player???

doc

April 7th, 2011
10:03 pm

the elbow is cause for concern. maybe his brief return to his old self yhat gollowed briefly hisop only to return to sub par arc numbers suggests inflammation returned. i have been very concerned that whatever caused the elbow thing couldcome back andbe sn on going saga. those fears may come to pass. i dont think jj just lost it. i can only hope that a summer away and true rehab gets his elbow right again.

mc you got any thoughts or insights into the possible chronicity we might see here?

Sautee

April 7th, 2011
10:03 pm

Melvin,

That, of course, depends on whom you ask. Some will never solve that paradox, as long as they think it gives them ammo.

Buddy Grizzard

April 7th, 2011
10:15 pm

“Dumping is usually a term used when a contract is horrible or a player is horrible.” – superiorblogman

Yes, Bibby is a horrible player who had a horrible contract, thanks to Rick Sund. I just got through saying Hinrich is overrated and overpaid so I don’t understand why you’re acting like I’m defending Hinrich at all, must less defending him because he’s white.

I thought the Bibby trade would be addition by subtraction because I envisioned KH coming off the bench and Teague starting. Since the trade it’s become clear that LD has a personal problem with Teague. Why else keep throwing Hinrich out there against people he can’t guard. I think we gave up too much, but Hinrich is still an upgrade over Bibby and may end up helping us if utilized correctly.

I’m more worried about this year’s first round draft pick than I am about losing ADAM MORRISON… I mean JC2.

Slimjr

April 7th, 2011
10:16 pm

Rose is special!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW………………………………….

Jerry West

April 7th, 2011
10:18 pm

“… in Jeff I have speed, I have quickness and a guy that can really get up and harass the ball. That’s one of his strengths defensively. Offensively, [it's] his ability to get in the paint. So any combination with Jeff out there with Jamal or Kirk or even Joe I think it’s good for us.”

wait, what? who said this?

Slimjr

April 7th, 2011
10:21 pm

“I wonder if Horford ever talks about his allergy with defense? He runs his mouth so much but you never hear him discussing why he gets bytched in the paint. Actually Horford, like the princeton Offense is worthless when you are trying to get to the higher levels. Horford is Mediocre and in consequence the Hawks have become mediocre.”

Interesting observation… What could you get for “ALLSTAR AL” in today’s market????????????

Slimjr

April 7th, 2011
10:24 pm

Orlando in 4 or 5…They’ll will the 1st two home games then lose game 3 maybe? Then come back and win 4 &5……..

Slimjr

April 7th, 2011
10:27 pm

Slimjr

April 7th, 2011
10:31 pm

“New Orleans settles for Marvin. As a result of the gravitational pull from Marvin’s ass, the tidal pattern shifts and Hurricane Katrina never hits New Orleans.”
Now that is some classic ish from Najeh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U just pissed of “it was a good pick” no doubt!!! LOL

Slimjr

April 7th, 2011
10:33 pm

DA BULLS ARE GOING TO THE FINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!wow……………………………………

The Truth

April 7th, 2011
10:42 pm

“Especially Joe; he has little nick-nacks. He is not going to say anything but I know it would be good for him to get some rest.”

“Twin and Smoove also suggested Joe is hurting more than he’s letting on, which obviously wouldn’t be the first time. Both mentioned the elbow could still be an issue. J.J. still frequently ices the right thumb.”

I’ve seen this movie before. If Joe isn’t saying anything about a nagging injury before playoff, then I don’t want to hear about any excuses due to poor performance in the playoff during postmortem by him. Warriors win championships. Warriors lose championships. Any players that would make excuses after a playoff run; let’s call them punks because that’s what losers do.

I’m wishing Joe and the Hawks the best in the playoff but warning:

Please make not excuses if things don’t go your way. Take your azz whipping like a man!! Hawksville may respect you better that way than the alternative.

The Truth

April 7th, 2011
10:46 pm

*Please make no excuses*

Booo!

April 7th, 2011
11:08 pm

” He runs his mouth so much but you never hear him discussing why he gets bytched in the paint.”

LOL!

It’s certainly not true, but it made me laugh ;-)

Seriously though, we Need to run our post offense through Smoove, not Al beleive it or not. AL is better from the peremeter than he is from the paint all things being equal. He’s very mechanical, only learns one new post move a year, and doesn’t recognize open men as often as smoove (who is also less predictable and has a wider array of movees down there). Al is still awesome and gets better every day though. BUT he has been playing soft the past few games…If only we could nail Smooves but to the paint and keep him there.

Booo!

April 7th, 2011
11:10 pm

*Moves

*Butt

Booo!

April 7th, 2011
11:14 pm

DO we play the WIZ again this season? I hope not. JC2 is going to go for a career high 50 points and make Joe and Jamal look like fools. If it does happen, the next day i’ll be out in front of ASG HQ with my pitchfork and Torch like the rest of you ready to make some heads roll.

Free The Teague!

and Pape Sy!

Bring back Flip Murray!

Slimjr

April 7th, 2011
11:25 pm

Yes the Hawks play in DC on Saturday night at 7pm..I hope JCII goes for at least 35…He’s going to be psyched up for his former team…

Booo!

April 7th, 2011
11:49 pm

Geemack

April 7th, 2011
11:49 pm

Teague is a good defender, and the Hawks are a average defensive team. So why all the DNP CD on Teague this season?

The Truth

April 7th, 2011
11:51 pm

“I’m more worried about this year’s first round draft pick than I am about losing ADAM MORRISON… I mean JC2.”

Is the glass half empty or half full? Is JC2 the next Adam Morrison or Dwyane Wade? You be the judge:

Adam John Morrison

Draft: Charlotte Bobcats, 1st round (3rd pick, 3rd overall), 2006 NBA Draft

Rookie Season

FG%=.376 FT%=.710 TRB=2.9 ASST=2.1 STL=.4 TOV=1.7 PPG=11.8

Dwyane Tyrone Wade

Draft: Miami Heat, 1st round (5th pick, 5th overall), 2003 NBA Draft

FG%=.465 FT%=.747 TRB=4.0 ASST=4.5 STL=1.4 TOV=3.2 PPG=16.2

Jordan Lee Crawford

Draft: New Jersey Nets, 1st round (27th pick, 27th overall), 2010 NBA Draft

Wizards (stats)
FG%=.379 FT%=.880 TRB=3.1 ASST=3.6 STL=1.5 TOV=2.5 PPG=17.1

The verdict: Based on these stats, JC2 beats Adam Morrison in every category. In fact JC2 beats D Wade in FT%, STL, TOV and PPG (4 out of the 7 categories).

Based on these numbers, I would say JC2 will be closer to D Wade than Adam Morrison.
It is what it is

The Truth

April 7th, 2011
11:55 pm

Correction:
Jordan Lee Crawford FG% even better @ .397

Booo!

April 7th, 2011
11:59 pm

Man i’m going to feel even worse when the rest of the league realizes what a STUPID decision we made giving JC2 up. We could have had the JT-JC2 backcourt for years to come Smh.

Booo!

April 8th, 2011
12:03 am

“Correction:
Jordan Lee Crawford FG% even better @ .397″

I’m not sure, but I believe that’s better than Jamal’s career FG% average (-_-)

The Truth

April 8th, 2011
12:17 am

Now let’s compare JC2 rookie season to Joe Johnson rookie season

Joe Marcus Johnson

Draft: Boston Celtics, 1st round (10th pick, 10th overall), 2001 NBA Draft

FG%=.430 FT%=.774 TRB=3.3 ASST=2.2 STL=.8 TOV=.9 PPG=7.5

Jordan Lee Crawford

Draft: New Jersey Nets, 1st round (27th pick, 27th overall), 2010 NBA Draft

Wizards (stats)
FG%=.397 FT%=.880 TRB=3.1 ASST=3.6 STL=1.5 TOV=2.5 PPG=17.1

JC2 beats max money Joe in FT%, ASST, STL and PPG (4 out of 7 categories) and this is from a guy that has been riding the pine for most of the season (with the Hawks)

Booo!

April 8th, 2011
12:28 am

^Lies TS Lies!

NUNNA!!!!!

April 8th, 2011
12:36 am

Whoa!!!
Did yall read this?!!

•Teague on playing alongside Hinrich: “It’s a lot easier. Defensively, you know he’s going to have your help and I am going to have his back. He’s easy to play with. He passes the ball and gets everybody involved. It makes your job a lot easier when you know a guy is willing to give up the ball. He’s a good player.”

Translation:
•Teague on playing alongside Hinrich: “It’s a lot easier.(I feel more comfortable with him)

Defensively, you know he’s going to have your help and I am going to have his back.(Teamwork i don’t get with Joe,nor Jamaal)

He’s easy to play with. ( Im comfortable with him).

He passes the ball and gets everybody involved.(He’s not afraid to throw the ball to me and he trusts me)

It makes your job a lot easier when you know a guy is willing to give up the ball.(Sh!@ Jamaal,Josh,Joe and even twin don’t do wth me when im on the floor).

He’s a good player.(Team Player and understands the game)..

Rev in Tampa

April 8th, 2011
12:46 am

Jerry West,

Just a warning not to get too excited when Drew heaps praise on Teague. We got excited once as well until we realized that it was just empty words.

Jae Evolution

April 8th, 2011
12:59 am

Is Pape Sy ever going to play…I really have not seen this guy in action and I remember he was getting good praise beginning of the year and a few D-League games.

vava74

April 8th, 2011
1:31 am

“Teague on playing alongside Hinrich: “It’s a lot easier. Defensively, you know he’s going to have your help and I am going to have his back. He’s easy to play with. He passes the ball and gets everybody involved. It makes your job a lot easier when you know a guy is willing to give up the ball. He’s a good player.”

The meaning of this paragraph is very simple. It’s is a clear indictment on Jamal since the qualities Teague attributes to Hinrich are the ones Jamal misses badly: defense and willingness to give up the ball.

NUNNA!!!!!

April 8th, 2011
1:34 am

Bam,u must be Jamaal Crawford.
Teague needs time to play and not to be yanked out after any mistake,bad shot,or lapse on defense.

U see how JC2 plays?
He knows regardless of what he does that he is not coming out unless he is in foul trouble.But other than that he will get the designated time that he will play..

I can’t believe u are that slow,,

vava74

April 8th, 2011
1:36 am

msn.foxsports’ Charley Rosen on Mullins HOF election:

“I’ll gladly admit that Chris Mullin was a terrific shooter, but pardon me for not rejoicing at his entry into the HOF. During his “glory” days with Golden State, the Warriors had a total record of 432-552, and managed only five winning seasons. Forget about Mulllin being one of the worst defenders in the history of the NBA who routinely yielded as many points as he scored.

It was Hubie Brown who once warned about overvaluing a guy who scores lots of points on a bad team. That’s because such high-volume scorers experience very few pressure shots, let alone pressure games. Moreover, opponents tend to relax on defense when they’ve already got a game well in hand.

But in today’s not-so-brave new world, the accretion of gaudy numbers overrules any other considerations, and bean counters have become the sole judges of excellence.”

The above should be used by everyone to:

a) Put Jordan Crawford’s performance in perspective. At least for the moment (hey, I think he is really talented but if he does not improve shot selection and learns to play D, he will be just an undersized SG amassing points with no conscience);

b) Put Jamal’s past performance (prior to his very good year in 09/10) in perspective since his teams had a compounded record which give or take a few percentage points hovers .400 wins at best.

tjhook

April 8th, 2011
1:42 am

I was watching some recent video of Josh Childress and I really wish the club would try to reacquire him. Maybe we can do a sign and trade involving Jamal or a traditional trade with Marvin. I’m thinking we lose Jamal anyway but at least get someone the team is used to and we could use. Besides, he isn’t looking to shoot the three; he’ll penetrate or do some off the ball movement (no homo)

vava74

April 8th, 2011
1:47 am

Melvin

April 7th, 2011
10:00 pm

Rose has been all over the court against the Celtics tonight. Does that make Rondo a bad defensive player???

Heck Melvin, of course not, “only Hinrich gets burned by Rose and is trash”.

When Rose gets what he want and how he wants against a guy like Rondo is because Rondo is playing possum for the playoffs :-D

vava74

April 8th, 2011
1:51 am

Al is a very very good player.

He just needs a real HC to put him back on track and stop his recent sissy approach to the game.

A good HC (Thibodeau) makes soft guys man up (various guys in the CHI roster were softies).

A bad HC (LD) turned a “Boss” into a “Madam”.

Worldwide Clyde

April 8th, 2011
2:22 am

The Moment Of Truth is Now Here. If the Hawks get swept in the playoffs again expect a riot.